Rogue US soldier went on rampage in Afghanistan, 10 civilians dead, five wounded!

Ghandee · 11-03-2012 11:06am #1

This will not end well for the Americans who, already under scrutiny by the Afghan locals after the Koran burning issues, now have a bigger problem to contend with.

Looks like a US soldier left his base at 3 am local time, and entered local homes shooting innocent civilians seemingly at random. Women and children are reported to be along the fatalities.

Left his base at three am local time.........

(just when the bar was closing?)

He walked off his base at around 03:00 local time (22:30 GMT Saturday).

According to a resident quoted by Associated Press, he opened fire in three separate houses.

After carrying out the killings, he reportedly handed himself over to the US military authorities.

Local tribal leaders said women, children and men were among the dead.

The Americans may have to withdraw from Afghanistan sooner than they thought if shenanigans like these keep occurring!

Full story here.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-17330205?

BarackPyjama · 11-03-2012 11:10am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVESMxs4rbA

minidazzler · 11-03-2012 11:10am

There are no bars in Afghanistan for soldiers AFAIK. I've heard they get like 2 beers each at Christmas, but that's it.

Ghandee · 11-03-2012 11:13am

minidazzler wrote: »

There are no bars in Afghanistan for soldiers AFAIK. I've heard they get like 2 beers each at Christmas, but that's it.

I'd have imagined the compounds would have their own fully self sufficient bars no?
(genuine question)

freddiek · 11-03-2012 11:14am

Wow. Liberators eh?

This guy should get the death penalty back in the States. Or to save the hassle, just hand him over to the Afghanis

Temptamperu · 11-03-2012 11:19am

well, thats what happens when you train people to kill people.

BarackPyjama · 11-03-2012 11:19am

Don't know what the pub and club scene is like but there's a fair bit of smack over there.

fryup · 11-03-2012 11:20am

maybe he was bored,

his playstation was broken? or something

ItsAWindUp · 11-03-2012 11:34am

F ucking headcase

old_aussie · 11-03-2012 11:38am

Maybe he converted

karma_ · 11-03-2012 11:42am

old_aussie wrote: »

Maybe he converted

What does this even mean? The thing about jokes is, if you're not funny, you shouldn't try it.

BBC are reporting a breakdown, tbh that's bull****, if it were I'd imagine he would have ended himself after his spree. Hopefully they will court martial this soldier and not end up giving him a slap on the wrist and a demotion like they normally do for their murderers.

Foghladh · 11-03-2012 12:06pm

karma_ wrote: »

What does this even mean? The thing about jokes is, if you're not funny, you shouldn't try it.

BBC are reporting a breakdown, tbh that's bull****, if it were I'd imagine he would have ended himself after his spree. Hopefully they will court martial this soldier and not end up giving him a slap on the wrist and a demotion like they normally do for their murderers.

I thought it was hilarious!

So if it wasn't a breakdown then what would you class it as? A sanctioned attack?

I'm not sure that all breakdowns have to end in a suicide either

old_aussie · 11-03-2012 12:14pm

karma_ wrote: »

BBC are reporting a breakdown, tbh that's bull****,.

And of course you were there, and fully quallified to to analyse the situation and reason behind it. :rolleyes:

karma_ · 11-03-2012 12:15pm

Foghladh wrote: »

I thought it was hilarious!

So if it wasn't a breakdown then what would you class it as? A sanctioned attack?

I'm not sure that all breakdowns have to end in a suicide either

That you find it hilarious I find in no way surprising.

What would I class it as? Let's see... Murder!

Foghladh · 11-03-2012 12:24pm

karma_ wrote: »

That you find it hilarious I find in no way surprising.

What would I class it as? Let's see... Murder!

I don't think I'd dispute that it was an act of murder. What I dispute is your assertion that it couldn't have been caused by a mental breakdown. You base that on what? A gut feeling or the nationality of the soldier involved?

AngryBollix · 11-03-2012 12:25pm

What do people think happens in a warzone?

karma_ · 11-03-2012 12:26pm

Foghladh wrote: »

I don't think I'd dispute that it was an act of murder. What I dispute is your assertion that it couldn't have been caused by a mental breakdown. You base that on what? A gut feeling or the nationality of the soldier involved?

Spree killers usually end up taking their own lives.

Foghladh · 11-03-2012 12:59pm

Foghladh wrote: »

I don't think I'd dispute that it was an act of murder. What I dispute is your assertion that it couldn't have been caused by a mental breakdown. You base that on what? A gut feeling or the nationality of the soldier involved?

karma_ wrote: »

Spree killers usually end up taking their own lives.

Yeah well, mentally balanced individuals generally don't go on killing sprees whether they end their lives or not. I think if someone goes out solo to kill 10 people, outside of an operational context, you'd be hard pushed to argue that they were sane

Seachmall · 11-03-2012 2:08pm

karma_ wrote: »

Spree killers usually end up taking their own lives.

There are plenty of cases where they don't.

Howard Unruh
Charles Starkweather
Christian Dornier
Julain Knight

There are too many factors that push someone to go on a spree killing to nail down why they may or may not kill themselves after.

robman60 · 11-03-2012 2:09pm

This is what happens when young, impressionable people are shown that killing is okay.

It's hardly the first time something like this has happened either, see below:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre

I'm calling in advance that his punishment will be extremely lenient, as the US will make up some bull**** that he was provoked. In My Lai, the only sentence handed down was two years house arrest.

fedor.2. · 11-03-2012 2:10pm

I feel bad for the soldier, he obviously had some sort of breakdown, it must be terrible to work in that dump of a country

Seachmall · 11-03-2012 2:11pm

robman60 wrote: »

This is what happens when young, impressionable people are shown that killing is okay.

Bullshit.

There are plenty of spree killers who had no history in the military. There are also plenty of soldiers worldwide who would never think of going on a killing spree.

Just because this guy is in the army you can't claim that to be a conclusive factor in what he did.

BarackPyjama · 11-03-2012 2:12pm

fedor.2. wrote: »

I feel bad for the soldier, he obviously had some sort of breakdown, it must be terrible to work in that dump of a country

Me too poor little mite couldn't handle the job he signed up for and slaughtered innocent women and children. He should be given a massage, a blow job, a hot bath and a nice home cooked meal.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 11-03-2012 2:21pm

minidazzler wrote: »

There are no bars in Afghanistan for soldiers AFAIK. I've heard they get like 2 beers each at Christmas, but that's it.

American bases are dry.

Temptamperu wrote: »

well, thats what happens when you train people to kill people.

I'm trained to kill people and haven't done this, neither has anyone I've served with.

Micky Dolenz · 11-03-2012 2:25pm

Ghandee wrote: »

I'd have imagined the compounds would have their own fully self sufficient bars no?
(genuine question)

No alcohol allowed on bases in war time.

Overheal · 11-03-2012 2:26pm

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

No alcohol allowed on bases in war time.

No war was declared..

delta_bravo · 11-03-2012 2:28pm

fedor.2. wrote: »

I feel bad for the soldier, he obviously had some sort of breakdown, it must be terrible to work in that dump of a country

Eh am I missing something here? He murdered ten people! Personally I can't sympathise with a murderer of innocent people

Daniel S · 11-03-2012 2:31pm

16 dead now

Micky Dolenz · 11-03-2012 2:32pm

Overheal wrote: »

No war was declared..

Conflict zone then.

3ndahalfof6 · 11-03-2012 2:32pm

its tough stations for all concerned, but more so for the innocent people mowed down in their own homes, with no chance of defending themselves. The crazy thing is it will happen many more times and with the world being such a small place it lets the other crazies see how much the media and the rest of the world will take notice of them if they up the crazy stakes.

karma_ · 11-03-2012 2:33pm

fedor.2. wrote: »

I feel bad for the soldier, he obviously had some sort of breakdown, it must be terrible to work in that dump of a country

I feel bad for you.

Daniel S · 11-03-2012 2:46pm

Daniel S wrote: »

16 dead now

Back to 15 now.

Poccington · 11-03-2012 2:55pm

robman60 wrote: »

I'm calling in advance that his punishment will be extremely lenient, as the US will make up some bull**** that he was provoked. In My Lai, the only sentence handed down was two years house arrest.

Extremely lenient?

Look up the Mahmudiyah killings. One person is serving life without parole, 3 others recieved sentences which when combined total 300 years.

They don't do extremely lenient all that well these days.

Poccington · 11-03-2012 2:56pm

Ghandee wrote: »

I'd have imagined the compounds would have their own fully self sufficient bars no?
(genuine question)

No, they don't.

Killer Wench · 11-03-2012 3:02pm

robman60 wrote: »

This is what happens when young, impressionable people are shown that killing is okay.

It's hardly the first time something like this has happened either, see below:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre

I'm calling in advance that his punishment will be extremely lenient, as the US will make up some bull**** that he was provoked. In My Lai, the only sentence handed down was two years house arrest.

Oh really now?

http://www.king5.com/news/local/JBLM-soldier-convicted-of-murder-for-killing-unarmed-Afghans-133652258.html

What I find interesting about this event is that it is still too earlier to know all of the facts. In this report, it is mentioned that it was a group of soldiers that left the base, entered homes, and began firing.

http://news.yahoo.com/soldier-detained-afghanistan-over-civilian-casualties-060915360.html

karma_ · 11-03-2012 3:16pm

Killer Wench wrote: »

Oh really now?

http://www.king5.com/news/local/JBLM-soldier-convicted-of-murder-for-killing-unarmed-Afghans-133652258.html

What I find interesting about this event is that it is still too earlier to know all of the facts. In this report, it is mentioned that it was a group of soldiers that left the base, entered homes, and began firing.

http://news.yahoo.com/soldier-detained-afghanistan-over-civilian-casualties-060915360.html

The harshest sentence handed down in the Maywand District murders was to Gibbs, a life sentence, however he's eligible for parole in 10 years.

Next harshest was Morlock, 24 year sentence, eligible for parole in 7 years.

That's a far cry from justice.

Killer Wench · 11-03-2012 3:24pm

karma_ wrote: »

The harshest sentence handed down in the Maywand District murders was to Gibbs, a life sentence, however he's eligible for parole in 10 years.

Next harshest was Morlock, 24 year sentence, eligible for parole in 7 years.

That's a far cry from justice.

A life sentence isn't justice? Nor is a 24 year sentence? Even though they may be eligible for parole, it does not mean that they will be granted it. Many people serving on murder charges routinely go before parole boards and are denied. What would be justice in your opinion? The death penalty?

ejmaztec · 11-03-2012 3:25pm

Poccington wrote: »

Extremely lenient?

Look up the Mahmudiyah killings. One person is serving life without parole, 3 others recieved sentences which when combined total 300 years.

They don't do extremely lenient all that well these days.

Unfortunately, the people in the areas where these kinds of killings take place probably think that "lenient" means not killing the guilty.

karma_ · 11-03-2012 3:26pm

Killer Wench wrote: »

A life sentence isn't justice? Nor is a 24 year sentence? Even though they may be eligible for parole, it does not mean that they will be granted it. Many people serving on murder charges routinely go before parole boards and are denied. What would be justice in your opinion? The death penalty?

Not the death penalty no. However, this was a clear case of premeditated murder, proved by the courts martial, a fair sentence would have been life without the possibility of parole.

kincsem · 11-03-2012 3:27pm

BarackPyjama wrote: »

Me too poor little mite couldn't handle the job he signed up for and slaughtered innocent women and children. He should be given a massage, a blow job, a hot bath and a nice home cooked meal.

And a hug.

Killer Wench · 11-03-2012 3:45pm

karma_ wrote: »

Not the death penalty no. However, this was a clear case of premeditated murder, proved by the courts martial, a fair sentence would have been life without the possibility of parole.

I see. So, anything less than a life sentence without a possibility of parole is to be considered lenient?

There have been convicted child killers who were given life sentences with the possibility of parole, and they have been continually denied parole. Simply because there is a possibility, does not mean that it will come to be reality.

karma_ · 11-03-2012 3:49pm

Killer Wench wrote: »

I see. So, anything less than a life sentence without a possibility of parole is to be considered lenient?

There have been convicted child killers who were given life sentences with the possibility of parole, and they have been continually denied parole. Simply because there is a possibility, does not mean that it will come to be reality.

In that particular case, where premeditation was determined, then a harsher sentence should have been handed down.

Hande hoche! · 11-03-2012 3:51pm

I'm surprised a US soldier has gone on a shooting spree against members of the ANA/ANP yet.

Killer Wench · 11-03-2012 3:54pm

karma_ wrote: »

In that particular case, where premeditation was determined, then a harsher sentence should have been handed down.

But is a life sentence with the possibility of parole considered to be lenient? Or, simply not harsh enough?

Haelium · 11-03-2012 3:54pm

If somebody had fought back against him they would be labeled as an insurgent and this would be an entirely different story.

karma_ · 11-03-2012 4:00pm

Killer Wench wrote: »

But is a life sentence with the possibility of parole considered to be lenient? Or, simply not harsh enough?

In the US -

Premeditated murder is usually defined as one of the most serious forms of homicide, and is punished more severely than manslaughter or other types of murder - often with the death penalty or a life sentence without the possibility of parole.

Killer Wench · 11-03-2012 4:09pm

karma_ wrote: »

In the US -

Right, the two harshest sentences. The poster that I responded to said that they will walk away with lenient sentences. I am now asking you if a life sentence with a possibility of parole, or even the 24 year sentences are to be considered lenient or simply not harsh enough.

karma_ · 11-03-2012 4:16pm

Killer Wench wrote: »

Right, the two harshest sentences. The poster that I responded to said that they will walk away with lenient sentences. I am now asking you if a life sentence with a possibility of parole, or even the 24 year sentences are to be considered lenient or simply not harsh enough.

For premeditated murder, there should have been no possibility of parole. Hardly a controversial opinion.

kincsem · 11-03-2012 4:17pm

Not new. In this video the comment "they are looking for an excuse to shoot them" says it all about the US military.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6OTb5xeFHU

Killer Wench · 11-03-2012 4:23pm

karma_ wrote: »

For premeditated murder, there should have been no possibility of parole. Hardly a controversial opinion.

Lenient or not?

Ellis Dee · 11-03-2012 5:01pm

If the example of Lieutenant Calley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre ) is anything to go by, this dude can expect a brief spell in the hoosegow or house arrest, followed by a presidential pardon and can then go on to earn a lucrative living touring the country and giving talks to groups of Tea Party whackos, religious fundamentalist and various other right-wing groups who don't like rag-heads Arabs and other inferior peoples.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Calley and his men massacred 500 or so people in a village in Vietnam, and he was eventually convicted of 22 murders, but served only about 3 years house arrest before Nixon pardoned him. The reality is that human life matters to the Americans only when it is American - and not even always then, either.:eek:

Rogue US soldier went on rampage in Afghanistan, 10 civilians dead, five wounded!

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