Homophobia

me-skywalker · 20-03-2009 2:24pm

n1ck wrote: »

OP, have you ever thought that the way your gay friends act is because they are in the presence of a someone like you? Who thinks what they participate in and enjoy in their own lives is wrong?

an what might i ask is someone like me? i dont hit gay people, or spit on gay people, or attack them. And would never do that to any persons and would intervene if i saw someone doing this wheter it was agaisnt my beliefs or not.

sure if my friend is into drugs,self-harm,abuse, and i think that is wrong and 'oh sure it doesnt affect me' 'whats happens behind their doors is upto themselves' it doesnt mean im not entitled to an opinion... and im not out spouting about it this is a forum for discussion on such topics and ive seen many views here and still my mind is not changed.

Puddleduck · 20-03-2009 2:28pm

I couldnt give a sh!te either way. Marraige is a legal contract and allows a couple certain benifits etc so yea, I think they should be allowed to marry, regardless of the church, coz at the end of the day, its a man in a dress telling you your going to hell for being human.

I actually think that being gay is natural, I think its a way for nature to try reduce its numbers. It does happen in nature, and while yes, animals can rape other animals it is still a 'natural' thing. That they have the drive to do it. Animals dont have a concience though.

liah · 20-03-2009 2:31pm

So if you believe homosexuality isn't a choice, how exactly are you going to go about contesting the natural occurrence homosexuality (as well as other "taboo" sex acts) among animals, which is quite well-documented?

From Wikipedia (and don't bring up the "oh, it's wiki, it's not able to be used-- the content there is well-cited, thank you):

An estimated one-quarter of all black swan pairings are homosexual and they steal nests, or form temporary threesomes with females to obtain eggs, driving away the female after she lays the eggs.

Studies have shown that 10 to 15 percent of female western gulls in some populations in the wild are lesbian.

Mallards have rates of male-male sexual activity that are unusually high for birds, in some cases, as high as 19% of all pairs in a population.

The Amazon River dolphin or boto has been reported to form up in bands of 3-5 individuals enjoying group sex. The groups usually comprise young males and sometimes one or two females. Sex is performed in non-reproductive ways, using snout, flippers and general rubbing, without regards to gender. They will sometimes perform homosexual penetration of the blowhole, the only known example of nasal sex.

Courtship, mounting, and full anal penetration between bulls has been noted to occur among American Bison. Also, mounting of one female by another is common among cattle.

The Bonobo, which has a matriarchal society (unusual amongst apes), is a fully bisexual species -- both males and females engage in heterosexual and homosexual behavior, being noted for lesbianism in particular. About 60% of all sexual activity in this species is between two or more females. While the homosexual bonding system in Bonobos represent the highest frequency of homosexuality known in any species, homosexuality has been reported for all great apes (a group which includes humans), as well as a number of other primate species.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_animals for boatloads more.

Don't you dare go telling anyone here that it's "unnatural" and "wrong." It is an entirely natural part of life, so grow up, there's a lot bigger things to be worried, concerned, or upset about.

Seriously.. some people absolutely astonish me.

stovelid · 20-03-2009 2:32pm

Puddleduck wrote: »

I actually think that being gay is natural, I think its a way for nature to try reduce its numbers.

I wish we wouldn't go down the road of saying what is 'natural' even if, in this case, it's a well-meaning counter-assertion.

Lu Tze · 20-03-2009 2:32pm

Puddleduck wrote: »

Animals dont have a concience though.

Showing my reason for saying its not much of an arguement, bring on the holier than thou brigade to tell you how you are proving there point, homosexual acts are a sin, and it is our "conscience" which keeps us from doing it yada yada

pierrot · 20-03-2009 2:34pm

Having read the thread straight through, it seems like almost everybody is rejecting the OP and defending the rights of gays with quite a lot of passion. If boards.ie is to be taken as a fairly varied slice through the demographic of modern Ireland, I say Yay Ireland!!!!

Genghiz Cohen · 20-03-2009 2:35pm

liah wrote: »

An estimated one-quarter of all black swan pairings are homosexual and they steal nests, or form temporary threesomes with females to obtain eggs, driving away the female after she lays the eggs.

Savage, that's well clever.:D

Chimps have a form of conscience, if a rig is set up so they have to pull a lever/other to get some food and sends an electric jolt through a nearby chimp, they will starve them selves rather than hurt their comrade.
If chimps have that, why not those crafty homo-swans, and other animals?

raah! · 20-03-2009 2:39pm

I think they should have the same right to legal marriage as infertile straight couples.

But it would be a bit of a strech to not allow them but then allow a straight(infertile) couple. Unless the government didn't think that two men/women could raise an adopted child as well as two straight parents. Which is a legitimate concern really, and one which is hard to test scientifically.

"oooh but Iiiiim not religious"

Stercus Accidit · 20-03-2009 2:41pm

me-skywalker wrote: »

why because my opinion that gay people shouldnt be allowed to marry contravenes your opinion that i shouldnt have an opinion that doesn adhere to the 'new age' society principles of liberalism and fredoom...

No, I simply dissagree with your opinion, understand? We don't all have to get along you know, ironic, in that you are accusing me of being the one following idealism

oeb · 20-03-2009 2:41pm

MIN2511 wrote: »

Lads, take it easy with the OP... he's entitled to think what he wants...

And would it be ok if I started threads on AH saying that I think black people should be treated as second class citizens? Just because it's something you don't care about min, it does not mean that other people do not feel strongly about them. Sure, he has a right to his beliefs, and I have a right to attack his beliefs if I think they are idiotic.

Zadkiel · 20-03-2009 2:45pm

Genghiz Cohen wrote: »

Savage, that's well clever.:D

Chimps have a form of conscience, if a rig is set up so they have to pull a lever/other to get some food and sends an electric jolt through a nearby chimp, they will starve them selves rather than hurt their comrade.
If chimps have that, why not those crafty homo-swans, and other animals?

Bonobo chimps will also have recreational sex, are they sensitive lovers....who knows. I still think All references to animals are irrelevant in a discussion about people.

Stercus Accidit · 20-03-2009 2:49pm

Zadkiel wrote: »

Bonobo chimps will also have recreational sex, are they sensitive lovers....who knows. I still think All references to animals are irrelevant in a discussion about people.

I saw a mouse be homophobic to another mouse once... oh hang on.

Genghiz Cohen · 20-03-2009 2:56pm

Zadkiel wrote: »

I still think All references to animals are irrelevant in a discussion about people.

Well it's just to prove that all of 'gods creations' can be a little fruity, so it's wrong for churchies to bash gays.
Everything else is Ot but plain interesting.

JC 2K3 · 20-03-2009 3:00pm

me-skywalker wrote: »

Homosexual activity is a contradiction to life, the basic human nautre to procreate and reproduce.

Are you against condoms too?

raah! · 20-03-2009 3:01pm

Genghiz Cohen wrote: »

Well it's just to prove that all of 'gods creations' can be a little fruity, so it's wrong for churchies to bash gays.
Everything else is Ot but plain interesting.

"Wrong" for churchies is defined by the bible. The bible says homosexuality is wrong. If you want to show "churchies" something is wrong, you should use the bible, not evolutionary biology

Puddleduck · 20-03-2009 3:02pm

Zadkiel wrote: »

Bonobo chimps will also have recreational sex, are they sensitive lovers....who knows. I still think All references to animals are irrelevant in a discussion about people.

Its a little arrogant of people to go on about being gay being 'unnatural' and completely dissasociating ourselfs from the animals. We all have animal urges. Thats fact. Some peoples urges are towards those of the same sex. To me that seems natural.

Also being gay is a 'sin' because the church makes it so. Having sex before marraige is also a sin but people pick and choose which sins should be adherred to.

Quint · 20-03-2009 3:03pm

me-skywalker wrote: »

Homosexual activity is a contradiction to life, the basic human nautre to procreate and reproduce.

Mr.Lizard wrote: »

No problem with them as a people and have no problem with them getting married or even adopting kids. But I am sick of these liberals who go round backing them up saying things like "it's natural behavior". It's not natural. Forget about the enjoyment you have have from being in a relationship with and/or having sex with a woman or a man .... or a sheep (and whatever component act that entail), basic biological design and historical experience indicate that sticking your cock up other mans arse is a way of propagating the species is not going to work.

Would you 2 think it's ok for a 10 year old menstrating girl to have sex with a 60 year old man? The woman can have kids, the man can produce sperm, they can reproduce and most importantly "it's natural".

Zadkiel · 20-03-2009 3:06pm

Puddleduck wrote: »

Its a little arrogant of people to go on about being gay being 'unnatural' and completely dissasociating ourselfs from the animals. We all have animal urges. Thats fact. Some peoples urges are towards those of the same sex. To me that seems natural.

Also being gay is a 'sin' because the church makes it so. Having sex before marraige is also a sin but people pick and choose which sins should be adherred to.

True but I didnt say it was unnatural.:)

TwoShedsJackson · 20-03-2009 3:12pm

OP Cliff Notes: I know some gay people so I can say what I like and be a judgemental, sexually repressed tool about them.

javaboy · 20-03-2009 3:13pm

TwoShedsJackson wrote: »

OP Cliff Notes: I know some gay people so I can say what I like and be a judgemental, sexually repressed tool about them.

Careful now.

Ass · 20-03-2009 3:19pm

Hitler was rumoured to be a homosexual... just puttin' that out there.

Lu Tze · 20-03-2009 3:22pm

Puddleduck wrote: »

Its a little arrogant of people to go on about being gay being 'unnatural' and completely dissasociating ourselfs from the animals. We all have animal urges. Thats fact. Some peoples urges are towards those of the same sex. To me that seems natural.

Also being gay is a 'sin' because the church makes it so. Having sex before marraige is also a sin but people pick and choose which sins should be adherred to.

How do we decide which of those animal urges are illegal/immoral in our society? There is no point in using the natural world as justifying behaviour.

The church is a manmade institution, and makes mistakes (of which this is one of them). It is shocking what (especially in the old testament) is allowed and not. You either want to adhere to it or don't. But i don't think that you should force a change on those people who do believe in the institution, which is why for as long as the church doesn't want gay marriage, then there shouldn't be for marriages (within its remit).

I see no problem with civil marriages though

Genghiz Cohen · 20-03-2009 3:25pm

Lu Tze wrote: »

The church is a manmade institution, and makes mistakes

The pope is infallible, he can not be wrong.

useful_contacts · 20-03-2009 3:27pm

me-skywalker wrote: »

Homosexual activity is a contradiction to life, the basic human nautre to procreate and reproduce.

But i bet you enjoy lesbian porn though

Hypicrote much?

humanji · 20-03-2009 3:28pm

Quint wrote: »

Would you 2 think it's ok for a 10 year old menstrating girl to have sex with a 60 year old man? The woman can have kids, the man can produce sperm, they can reproduce and most importantly "it's natural".

You're confusing morality with nature.

aoibhebree · 20-03-2009 3:29pm

me-skywalker wrote: »

Homosexual activity is a contradiction to life, the basic human nautre to procreate and reproduce.

Oh so if a heterosexual couple decides they don't want to have kids, they're not worthy to share the same world as you either? :rolleyes:

I honestly cannot understand how someone could get so agitated about what other people do with their personal lives. It has no effect whatsoever on you or anyone else! OP, maybe you should concentrate on your own love-life instead of dictating to others who they should and should not be with.

Lu Tze · 20-03-2009 3:30pm

Genghiz Cohen wrote: »

The pope is infallible, he can not be wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility

"Since the solemn declaration of Papal Infallibility by Vatican I on July 18, 1870, this power has been used only once ex cathedra"

Papal infallibility does not affect my statement.

javaboy · 20-03-2009 3:30pm

Genghiz Cohen wrote: »

The pope is infallible, he can not be wrong.

Not quite true. The whole infallibility thing is a bit more complicated than that. The Pope can still commit sin and be wrong etc. Only certain utterances fall under the infallibility rule.

20-03-2009 3:31pm

Homophobic people statistically have a 98.4% chance of being gay themselves and are merely trying to cover up their own flaming desires. Fact.

Morzadec · 20-03-2009 3:32pm

me-skywalker wrote: »

Homosexual activity is a contradiction to life, the basic human nautre to procreate and reproduce.

That's a fairly reductive view of human sexuality. I thought it was almost universally accepted (except by the odd ultra-conservative and extreme religious types) that human sexuality expands far beyond a biological 'programming' to reproduce the species.

I'm sure almost everyone on this thread has sexual urges that are completely seperate from any desire to reproduce hence condoms, the pill etc...

By your logic, a girl giving you a BJ is a 'contradiction to life'.

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