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Living off the grid...

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    #62
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    Was chatting to a chap who works in social welfare. He was telling me, surprisingly a lot of people live off the grid in Ireland.
    Dont work, dont draw dole, dont engage with public services.


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    #63
    4ensic15
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    Effects wrote: »
    Only 18 months for them to take off so!

    There are about 29 months left in this decade!


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    #64
    Purple Mountain
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    Roger Hassenforder wrote: »
    Was chatting to a chap who works in social welfare. He was telling me, surprisingly a lot of people live off the grid in Ireland.
    Dont work, dont draw dole, dont engage with public services.

    Drugs?

    To thine own self be true



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    #65
    niallers1
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    when does this decade end :) Thought it would be in 2020 ? It's the 8th month of 2018 now.


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    #66
    4ensic15
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    niallers1 wrote: »
    when does this decade end :) Thought it would be in 2020 ? It's the 8th month of 2018 now.

    The second decade of the 21st century (this decade) will end at the end of 2020.


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    #67
    somefeen
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    Buying a boat would be the easiest way to do it.

    Sadly though there used to be an old fella living in a boat around cork when I was a kid. He was totally out of his mind though. Always wondered how ended up there and what happened him.


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    #68
    niallers1
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    ok, so the mass production of hydrogen would still want to get a wriggle on :)


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    #69
    Feisar
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    Roger Hassenforder wrote: »
    Was chatting to a chap who works in social welfare. He was telling me, surprisingly a lot of people live off the grid in Ireland.
    Dont work, dont draw dole, dont engage with public services.

    Really? I'm not disputting your statement I just find it hard to believe. Like what do they do for a crust, hunt? Where do they use for shelter? Possibly their great granny's cottage. Water, could be provided by a well. With a bit of land for spuds and veg it may be doable. Keep a few chickens for eggs, a pig and a goat or two. I don't know what the craic with having cattle is unregistered? It's not that long ago that's how people lived, by Dad was rared in a tatch cottage till the age of ten and he's only sixty now.

    First they came for the socialists...



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    #70
    unkel
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    Interesting zombie thread revival :D
    enda1 wrote: »
    I work for an automotive company. Trust me (or not, its up to you) but commercial mass produced hydrogen vehicles will be seen in this decade.

    Toyota perhaps? They completely mis-gambled on hydrogen and "self-charging" hybrids. Should have gone full EV instead

    Easy to say now, back in 2011 I too thought hydrogen was the next step. A good few years ago it became clear that hydrogen is a passed station now for passenger cars.


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    #71
    MadDog76
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    niallers1 wrote: »
    when does this decade end :) Thought it would be in 2020 ? It's the 8th month of 2018 now.

    You're right, it does..... this decade will end in 17 months or so.


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    #72
    topper75
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    The book on McCandless is good. Anything by Jon Krakauer is good.

    But there is better on this theme - Stranger in the Woods by Michael Finkel.


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    #73
    Graces7
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    Feisar wrote: »
    Really? I'm not disputting your statement I just find it hard to believe. Like what do they do for a crust, hunt? Where do they use for shelter? Possibly their great granny's cottage. Water, could be provided by a well. With a bit of land for spuds and veg it may be doable. Keep a few chickens for eggs, a pig and a goat or two. I don't know what the craic with having cattle is unregistered? It's not that long ago that's how people lived, by Dad was rared in a tatch cottage till the age of ten and he's only sixty now.

    I knew many market traders like that. The house was a family house, yes, Many rural houses have wells....

    They do not pay taxes. See them vanish from the market when "the revenue" are spotted.

    Living without power etc is another thing altogether but easy enough when you get organised. Last winter I was without power here and did fine. Many rural houses have turbary rights so a solid fuel stove ...


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    #74
    NIMAN
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    Feisar wrote: »
    Really? I'm not disputting your statement I just find it hard to believe. Like what do they do for a crust, hunt? Where do they use for shelter? Possibly their great granny's cottage. Water, could be provided by a well. With a bit of land for spuds and veg it may be doable. Keep a few chickens for eggs, a pig and a goat or two. I don't know what the craic with having cattle is unregistered? It's not that long ago that's how people lived, by Dad was rared in a tatch cottage till the age of ten and he's only sixty now.

    I'd say numbers are very very low.


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    #75
    Signore Fancy Pants
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    I live off the grid.

    I grow my own veg, grow my own meat, buy my water in Lidl.

    I dont have any electronic devices or the internet. Cant say anymore, theyre watching me.


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    #76
    Roger Hassenforder
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    Feisar wrote: »
    Really? I'm not disputting your statement I just find it hard to believe. Like what do they do for a crust, hunt? Where do they use for shelter? Possibly their great granny's cottage. Water, could be provided by a well. With a bit of land for spuds and veg it may be doable. Keep a few chickens for eggs, a pig and a goat or two. I don't know what the craic with having cattle is unregistered? It's not that long ago that's how people lived, by Dad was rared in a tatch cottage till the age of ten and he's only sixty now.

    I got the impression there were more than you 'd think!


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    pleas advice
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    4ensic15 wrote: »
    The second decade of the 21st century (this decade) will end at the end of 2020.

    So 1990 was in the 80s?

    "The 60's ended for me that day in 1974"


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    4ensic15
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    MadDog76 wrote: »
    You're right, it does..... this decade will end in 17 months or so.

    The end of 2020 will be in about 29 months.


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    pleas advice
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    And we will enter the 20's in about 17 months. Time is a continuous thing, it can be divided up arbitrarily, it didn't just come into existence at 00:00 UTC on the 1st of January 1 AD


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    4ensic15
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    pleas advice wrote: »
    And we will enter the 20's in about 17 months. Time is a continuous thing, it can be divided up arbitrarily, it didn't just come into existence at 00:00 UTC on the 1st of January 1 AD

    20's ????


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    #81
    4ensic15
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    pleas advice wrote: »
    And we will enter the 20's in about 17 months. Time is a continuous thing, it can be divided up arbitrarily, it didn't just come into existence at 00:00 UTC on the 1st of January 1 AD

    Time started in BC!


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    #82
    Aceandstuff
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    The Unix epoch began 1 January 1970 00:00:00 UT
    That was the beginning of time as we know it.


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    #83
    Del2005
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    Roger Hassenforder wrote: »
    Was chatting to a chap who works in social welfare. He was telling me, surprisingly a lot of people live off the grid in Ireland.
    Dont work, dont draw dole, dont engage with public services.

    How many ID's do these people have? Plenty of people in this country have multiple "valid" PPSNs, very easy to forget about some if they start getting investigated.


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    #84
    Graces7
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    Del2005 wrote: »
    How many ID's do these people have? Plenty of people in this country have multiple "valid" PPSNs, very easy to forget about some if they start getting investigated.

    Why would they be investigated?


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    #85
    Graces7
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    Daegerty wrote: »
    Just because you want to live off the grid doesn't mean you want to live in the stone age

    It can become a compromise. My five months with no electricity last winter were fine but I had a cell phone and yes, missed the internet for communications etc. Bought a small battery radio.

    Else lived very simply.. hand washing fine. Solid fuel stove for hot water etc..

    Different for each but taken to extremes it takes over the whole of life.


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    #86
    unkel
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    Buy an early Nissan Leaf for about €6k. Every day, drive to your nearest fast charger and charge the car up for half an hour. This is completely free.

    Then drive home and connect it to your house. Off grid for free :D


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADqk4IjzjXs


    Average Irish household uses a bit under 10kWh per day. This cars battery is 24kWh, so can power the house for several days


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    #87
    niallers1
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    Game changer will be when you can really use the car battery to power your house. Nissan were to bring out Leaf to home but no sign of it yet. Charge at work or charge station like you say and power your house with it :)


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    MadDog76
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    4ensic15 wrote: »
    The end of 2020 will be in about 29 months.

    True but this decade end's 12 months before that.....


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    #89
    unkel
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    niallers1 wrote: »
    Game changer will be when you can really use the car battery to power your house. Nissan were to bring out Leaf to home but no sign of it yet. Charge at work or charge station like you say and power your house with it :)

    You can. Nissan developed the technology after the Japanese disaster in 2011. You can buy the hardware but it's expensive.

    The most obvious solution going forward. To have all EVs attached to the grid so utility companies can take from them at peak time (and pay you for it) and charge the car at night time. This is called V2G (vehicle to grid). Several utility companies around the world are running trials on this right now. I wish there was one in this country that had a clue about these things and would ask me to become a volunteer :)


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    #90
    Capt'n Midnight
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    enda1 wrote: »
    I work for an automotive company. Trust me (or not, its up to you) but commercial mass produced hydrogen vehicles will be seen in this decade.
    The car isn't the problem hydrogen powered cars with electric ignition have been around for over 200 years.

    Making and storing hydrogen is.
    It takes a lot of room to store the stuff and it takes a lot of energy to make it.


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    #91
    Viscount Aggro
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    I know of 2 off-grid households near me - no planning permission. They dont give a f***.

    Living inside farmshed, complete house built inside, have no monthly bills. If you can do it, makes sense, but not too many females would be interested. Anyone snoops around - had better run faster than an alsatian.

    A lot of modern life is bull****, keeping up with the Jones.


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