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Asylum Shopping: Why is Germany not to their liking?

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  • 10-09-2015 9:52am
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    Biffo The Bare
    Registered Users Posts: 291 ✭✭


    I am as sympathetic as most people to the scenes of children being put on boats by their parents and their bodies pulled out of the sea in the Mediterranean. It annoys me actually to see young lives being put at risk like this.
    However, asylum seekers who have been welcomed in open arms by Germany are now demanding to be taken to Sweden via Denmark. I can totally understand why the Danish government are kicking up a stink about this.
    It is Merkel's choice as a democrat to give the asylum seekers the right to wander freely on German roads and railways. That's her thing.
    But imposing her party's misguided morals on other European states is nothing short of stupid and arrogant. It really has to stop.
    What do you all think about this here?



    Mod note:
    Thread title changed to avoid confusion with country of origin.


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    Pat Mustard
    Registered Users Posts: 9,554 ✭✭✭Pat Mustard


    Under the Dublin Regulation, the first EU country in which asylum seeker arrives will be responsible for either accepting or rejecting asylum, and the asylum seeker may not restart the process in another jurisdiction.

    Basically, if the refugee lands in an EU country, he must apply for asylum there. So if he lands in Italy, he must apply in Italy. If he does not apply in Italy and moves on to Austria, the Austrian authorities are supposed to send him back to Italy to be dealt with there.

    Germany has previously been one of the bigger supporters of this mechanism. However, the current situation has been regarded as a crisis, due to the massive numbers of refugees. The Germans accept that the countries where the Syrians are landing are becoming overwhelmed and cannot deal with the numbers involved.

    The German response has been to halt deportations from Germany. You assert that refugees insist on being taken to Sweden, via Denmark. Yet the Syrian refugees have no rights to insist upon this.

    Why do you say:
    imposing her party's misguided morals on other European states is nothing short of stupid and arrogant.

    How do you support your assertions?


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    foggy_lad
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    Under the Dublin Regulation the person should apply for asylum in the first country they enter where the regulation is in place.

    If they go to a second country which is also part of the Dublin Regulation they may apply for asylum in that country and that country are obliged to deal with them but they can do so by returning them to the first country they entered to allow them to apply for asylum there.

    Germany has been ignoring the Dublin Regulation for their own reasons but it is now hitting home that if Europe does not "get with the(ir) program" and back them up they are basically screwed and could be destroyed in a few years.

    Angela Merkle started a stampede and is now telling all her neighbours that it is their fault!


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    Pat Mustard
    Registered Users Posts: 9,554 ✭✭✭Pat Mustard


    foggy_lad wrote: »
    Angela Merkle started a stampede and is now telling all her neighbours that it is their fault!

    If the Germans do not deport the refugees back to the first EU country of origin, how does this amount to imposing upon other EU countries?


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    Biffo The Bare
    Registered Users Posts: 291 ✭✭Biffo The Bare


    Pat Mustard wrote: »

    How do you support your assertions?

    Merkel want's her country to change, to get in a new workforce that will re-invigorate German industry.
    And she admits
    "what we are experiencing now is something that will change our country in the coming years".
    The sheer growing numbers are impossible to manage for Germany, so she is playing the "guilt trip" hand with other European countries who don't have the same "needs" as Germany, don't need to boost their workforce like the Germans do, have high unemployment, and are becoming more and more fearful that the nature of their societies will change.
    Merkel will be blamed for this profound miscalculation that will have huge implications for European unity in the coming years.


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    foggy_lad
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    Pat Mustard wrote: »
    If the Germans do not deport the refugees back to the first EU country of origin, how does this amount to imposing upon other EU countries?
    They can't cope with the numbers and either didn't expect so many or didn't think at all about what their invite to all would entail, either way they are looking for compulsory quotas for all EU countries for the intake of refugees, This is possibly their plan all along?


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    FelineOverLord
    Closed Accounts Posts: 415 ✭✭FelineOverLord


    Pat Mustard wrote: »
    If the Germans do not deport the refugees back to the first EU country of origin, how does this amount to imposing upon other EU countries?

    I'm interested to see how long it is before the migrants become disillusioned with Germany and insist on going elsewhere. Germany will disperse the majority of migrants to more rural parts of Germany and if they aren't allowed to work it begs the question how many will put up with basically being put out in the arsehole of nowhere with a few hundred euros a month to live on? All of the migrants in Germany have deliberately not claimed asylum in the first European country they arrived in specifically because they want to go to Germany, that's led to migrants violating other countries border laws and that is Germany's fault.

    Most of the migrants we're seeing are young single men under 40 forcing their way across Europe and into Germany, what happens if they decide they're not happy in Germany and force their way in else where? What does Europe do then? Where are they put? I'm not sure what it is that migrants are expecting from Germany, whatever it is I doubt they're going to be content with what they get and if they want to leave Germany it will raise bigger problems down the line.


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    AlekSmart
    Registered Users Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    foggy_lad wrote: »
    They can't cope with the numbers and either didn't expect so many or didn't think at all about what their invite to all would entail, either way they are looking for compulsory quotas for all EU countries for the intake of refugees, This is possibly their plan all along?

    Mind you Foggy,them Saudi's know a thing or two about coping with large numbers of visitors...

    http://www.infowars.com/saudi-arabia-has-100000-empty-air-conditioned-tents-that-can-house-3-million-people-yet-has-taken-zero-refugees/

    They also display very clearly where their priorities lie....
    While it refuses to take in any more refugees, Saudi Arabia has offered to build 200 mosques for the 500,000 migrants a year expected to pour into Germany.

    The possibilities are endless !

    Perhaps the French locals did get up King Salman's regal nose,and all this is just payback time .... :eek:

    http://uk.businessinsider.com/afp-anger-as-saudi-king-takes-over-entire-french-beach-2015-7?r=US&IR=T


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



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    Uncle Ben
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    I'm looking forward to seeing the faces on those 14000 Irish pledges when all these migrants come looking for their beds.


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    donaghs
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    Quote:
    "While it refuses to take in any more refugees, Saudi Arabia has offered to build 200 mosques for the 500,000 migrants a year expected to pour into Germany".

    I read that in the news too. Crazy. Arguably its the Saudi funding and promotion of a fanatical version of Sunni Islam which is the main driver of the Syrian portion of the refugee crisis (Al Nusra/ISIL etc). Nobody needs that!
    The Saudi influence since the 70s oil boom hasn't exactly helped in Afghanistan or Pakistan either


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    silverbolt
    Registered Users Posts: 362 ✭✭silverbolt


    What really gets me about Saudi is that its a Islamic country, so its culture, customs etc are geared around Islam. THe majority of the refugees and migrants are muslim. Why are they not all going there?

    Never mind the mosques, build them houses


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    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    silverbolt wrote: »
    What really gets me about Saudi is that its a Islamic country, so its culture, customs etc are geared around Islam. THe majority of the refugees and migrants are muslim. Why are they not all going there?

    Never mind the mosques, build them houses

    They are mostly of different sects and a very different set of cultures.


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    foggy_lad
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    silverbolt wrote: »
    What really gets me about Saudi is that its a Islamic country, so its culture, customs etc are geared around Islam. THe majority of the refugees and migrants are muslim. Why are they not all going there?

    Never mind the mosques, build them houses
    The Saudis won't give them the same benefits they are getting in Germany, Sweden etc


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    Big Ian
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    Mod edit: please refrain from use of such terms.


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    blackpearl
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    this Dublin regulation is great that means none of them are coming here,so we can look after our own homless happy days.


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    Nodin
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    blackpearl wrote: »
    this Dublin regulation is great that means none of them are coming here,so we can look after our own homless happy days.

    You evidently don't know that 129 Syrians are here already.


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    blackpearl
    Registered Users Posts: 668 ✭✭✭blackpearl


    I hope no more are coming and by the way what religion are the ones that are here.


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    Pat Mustard
    Registered Users Posts: 9,554 ✭✭✭Pat Mustard


    blackpearl wrote: »
    I hope no more are coming and by the way what religion are the ones that are here.

    Mod:

    Trolling.

    Please do not post in this thread again.


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