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Sterilisation of heroin addicts - justified?

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  • #102
    matban
    Registered Users Posts: 75 ✭✭matban


    KomradeBishop wrote: »
    Yea offering €1000 to a heroin addict - people who are known to end up short of money and end up engaging in desperate acts to fund their addiction - doesn't have any risk of coercing them into an involuntary choice? :rolleyes:

    It would be open to all society, not just heroin addicts.

    But yes, with the full knowledge that the less advantaged are more likely to take the money, thereby reducing the probability of children being born in disadvantaged situations.

    Seems a lot more patatable than hauling people off for forced sterilisation.
    But I understand it still might not be everyone's cup of tea.


  • #103
    corner of hells
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,408 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    Samaris wrote: »
    Leaving gambling aside, alcoholism is a serious issue as well in terms of children being born with awful side-effects and parents who are probably not entirely capable of raising them.

    Another option you mentioned was moving methadone clinics of the city and into some suburb somewhere (can't remember the exact phrase). I am rather interested to know how removing a clinic that is aimed to help wean people off a heroin addiction to make it inaccessible is going to help?

    Good post , I work with addicts , have friends who are in recovery and have friends who are the children of still active addicts.
    We have about 24000 individuals nationwide at some stage in their opiate addiction whether chaotic injectors or stable on methadone , quite a small figure , we have a rough estimate of one in ten people who are reckoned to have alcohol issues of some sort.

    A child born of a mother who drinks heavily during pregnancy is at risk of Foetal Alcohol Syndrome , its devastating if bad enough , often the mother may have more than one child with this condition.
    Ive worked adults with this condition , theres no recovery.

    A child born with a mum in chaotic addiction will be very unlikely to be allowed take that baby m almost immediately social workers are involved.I don't believe the taxi one bit mainly because of the addicts I work with .
    That child once it has no blood Bourne illness should grow up healthy .


  • #104
    AprilPhilips
    Closed Accounts Posts: 49 ✭AprilPhilips


    No one forces them to take heroin. People say poor people tend to take it more so. Do they not know they will not be able to pay for it? Who does not know now the future for someone who takes heroin?

    methadone is only supposed to be used as a substitute to withdraw from heroin not to, as someone says inwoody allen's in annie hall, move from being a heroin addict to a methadone addict

    maybe the dealers should be exterminated


  • #105
    Manach
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,733 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manach


    Mod Note:
    Please refrain from making inflamatory statements or general unciviliness etc.
    This is an emotive topic but please try and post within the remit of this forum's charter.

    In future user infractions will be issued instead of a Mod warning.


  • #106
    John_Rambo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,872 ✭✭✭John_Rambo


    A maternity hospital releases a new born baby in the charge of parents that are so drugged up they can barely walk? And... the taxi takes them? Our babies car seat was checked when we leaving the maternity hospital.

    This story isn't true. It's a silly thread and should be locked.

    The thread starter has some sort of hard core agenda against drug users. He's well known on boards.ie for exaggerating issues in Dublin with amazingly horrific anecdotes, tall tails and wildly outrageous stories (like this drug addict child story).

    Then in true keyboard warrior fashion he admonishes everyone for not doing anything about it. :o

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057472491&page=1


  • #107
    Torakx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,831 ✭✭✭Torakx


    People become addicts because of a lack of authentic relationships, leaving them low on oxytocin. Oxytocin interferes with the brains need for dopamine. Dopamine addiction can cause people to gamble, take drugs, over organise, troll forums etc etc. The outlet or means to gain dopamine is often down to experience and associations(our environment).
    Sterilizing people is a bandage, not a solution to the problem of a lack of love and compassion.
    Going down the sterilization road would lead to needing even more and greater bandages later on, as the same unaddressed, underlying issue gets worse.
    For example executions for those who are not loved, and who adjusted to their environment accordingly.
    An extreme example, but I think it makes my point.


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