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Planning on giving up, told about DIY site, what do i buy?

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  • #52
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,331 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    P_1 wrote: »
    Well if you want to use that analogy then yes I am dependent on nicotine because I quite happen to like the effect it has on me and I'm also quite partial to the act of inhaling a nice flavour.

    Similarly you could consider me dependent on caffeine because I quite happen to like the effect it has on me and I'm also quite partial to the act of drinking a nice flavour.

    You could also consider me dependent on alcohol because I quite happen to like the effect it has on me and I'm also quite partial to the act of drinking a nice flavour.

    Look here, who am I to preach, i'm not a coffee man but was a professional smoker for 20 years and i'm found of a beer or two.

    I do think maybe thinking about it though the vaping forum should be moved to the smoking forum, could you see how I think that might help people who want to give up a habit of smoking?


  • #53
    StickyIcky
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 899 ✭✭✭StickyIcky


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    There's absolutely no point, It's true addicts will always find a way to justify their habit. (I used to be one)
    Everybody is justifying their Vaping habit by claiming it's better than their old habit. As non smokers I thought some of you might have seen how daft that is.

    I was hoping Allyall would end up without an addiction after visiting the no smoking forum, sadly he's been offered a new habit to cure his habit.

    Ally all came here asking about vaping and we've answered them. You came here and asked allyall if they'd like give up smoking all together. Now we've all pointed out vaping isn't smoking and its not cancerous. Now you've changed your tune to allyall should stop addictions, replacing one addiction with another.

    I understand how you'd want someone to give up an addiction entirely ,fair enough. Most of us have some level of addiction to something I believe.

    Anyway like grindle I believe quitting vaping is much easier. I've gone a week without vaping and days here and there. I vape because I enjoy it not because I have too. Same way I drink beer and wine.

    I could easily put down the drink and beer for a month or two just to prove I'm not physically addicted, I just enjoy it and I don't think its really that harmful so I continue to do it, logic and science tells vaping is nothing compared to smoking. If vaping can help someone quit the deadly fags and still enjoy inhaling something so be it, if they really want to be free of 'addiction' its going to be a lot easier to quit vaping than smoking fags.

    I understand where your coming from and respect yiu want to help someone just as we all do here' but it sounds like vaping is more healthy for you than champix. The best way to quit a nictotine addiction is to get off the fags so your no longer ingesting the hundreds of other chemicals that your bodys also used to getting and probably addicted to also.

    The best way to quit anything is cold turkey, not with drugs.

    Anyone who used to smoke and any vapers will be able to tell you vaping is less addictive and hence will be easier for anyone to quit cold turkey without the use of any drugs.


  • #54
    grindle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,026 ✭✭✭grindle


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    it doesn't fix the problem which is the habit of having a hit/smoke/vape or what ever else you want to call it.

    The problem with smoking isn't the hit, how are you blind to this? Why do you think this is "the problem"? Do you view habitual coffee drinkers the same way?
    "Pfft, those pathetic caffeine addicts! If only I could vent my skewed logic at them, then they would see!"

    The problem with smoking is the health effects.

    The cancer. The lungs filled with sludge. The wheezy cough every morning, the erectile dysfunction, the clogged arteries.

    If smoking had none of these effects, I would still be smoking. You appear to have been the kind of smoker that never actually liked the act of smoking, the hit, the relaxation.

    You're coming off like a nanny-state finger-wagger who won't stop until everybody has to make do with what you consider ideal.

    Of course 'Vaping' should be under 'Giving Up Smoking'! If you vape, you have given up smoking!

    It could also exist under Home>Rec, but there's an important health benefit to having it under 'Giving Up Smoking' which your arguments seem impervious to.

    People looking to give up smoking but who like smoking or like the odd smoke or like smoking when drinking will reap the benefits of not smoking whilst remaining satisfied. That's an amazingly good thing!

    People will delay their death by vaping, yet you insist it's smoking.
    Think. Before. You. Type.
    Calm down from the argument, allow a deep breath...
    Think objectively, without any of the anti-cig nazi stuff you've either read or self-cultivated:
    Is vaping as bad as smoking? Is it the same as smoking? Is it smoking? Will it stop people from dying sooner rather than later?
    No, No, No, Yes.
    And you insist it's a bad thing.


  • #55
    mewso
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 9,012 Mod ✭✭✭✭mewso


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Look here, who am I to preach, i'm not a coffee man but was a professional smoker for 20 years and i'm found of a beer or two.

    I do think maybe thinking about it though the vaping forum should be moved to the smoking forum, could you see how I think that might help people who want to give up a habit of smoking?

    The Giving up Smoking forum is for people who want to do as you want them to do. Vaping is an alternative for those who wish to try it. Nobody is forcing anyone but we make a general assumption here that they have skipped that forum down to this one because they want to know about this particular option. If the OP has mistakenly come here instead of the parent forum then I think they are aware of that now.

    I repeat we are not here to eliminate smoking we are here for a safer substitute. We would all acknowledge that the best option for any smoker to cut it out completely but we also know damn well life 'aint ever that simple and vaping is a god send for us in those cases.

    As to the smoking forum. I suggest you go over there and ask them about your idea. It's been discussed before. You missed the boat and the decision has been made. Here we are in our corner as an option for someone to choose. For other options they can go on level up.


  • #56
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,331 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    StickyIcky wrote: »

    I understand how you'd want someone to give up an addiction entirely ,fair enough.

    The best way to quit anything is cold turkey, not with drugs.

    Thank you, I think we should all get some kip on that note.


  • #57
    mewso
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 9,012 Mod ✭✭✭✭mewso


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Thank you, I think we should all get some kip on that note.

    When you ignore everything people say and latch onto one line from a long post that agrees with you then yes it is most certainly time for sleep.


  • #58
    grindle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,026 ✭✭✭grindle


    mewso wrote: »
    sleep.

    +1


  • #59
    was.deevey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,213 ✭✭✭was.deevey


    If you've for a fag looking object hanging out of your mouth and your pulling on it, your smoking. You need to break the habit of smoking to fully not smoke.

    Sounds like he might be a friend of mr. Borg,

    I'm not a smoker anymore, however I'm still a nicotine addict.

    People with these beliefs are the very reason the EU directive will probably get passed unless there is a realization that we are adults and should be allowed to choose what we ingest (within reason) and not be limited to what the pharmaceutical industry wants us to ingest.

    Imagine if tomorrow we were told that we were only allowed buy beer from a chemist because its potentially life threatening drug and a bad example to kids to sell it in a supermarket ? Factor in "Alcohol related" and it causes alot more deaths and serious injury than even cigarettes!

    Personally I like my dose of nicotine the same way as I like my daily dose of caffeine and the same way I like a cold cider on a summers day, however I choose to use a less harmful method of nicotine ingestion than the readily available killer cigarettes.

    Sorry its 10.30 am this side of the world :P


  • #60
    grindle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,026 ✭✭✭grindle


    was.deevey wrote: »
    ...the same way I like a cold cider on a summers day...
    Sorry its 10.30 am this side of the world :P

    Guess I have to stay up then.

    What's cider like in the Phillipines?


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  • #61
    deco nate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,340 ✭✭✭deco nate


    donkey piss :)

    btw off the cigs since 21-12-12

    and it is great,feel so much better
    now.i can walk a flight of stairs
    and still breath.

    i did try MOST other ways of weaning
    myself off them.but for me they didnt
    work,the worse thing about vapin.
    for me is...you know that hit" high"
    you get from that first cig in the mornin.
    yea i missed that.however i got a twist ego an pumped the volts up
    an it worked for me(started with an
    ego c)
    this from 30+a day smoker.
    but it does take a get a bit of gettin use to..and for the love o gad
    dont inhale it like you would a real
    cig.


  • #62
    grindle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,026 ✭✭✭grindle


    deco nate wrote: »
    donkey piss :)
    Thirstquenchalicious! Luckily I own a donkey so I have no need for Was' cider now! Thanks deco!


  • #63
    heliguyheliguy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 915 ✭✭✭heliguyheliguy


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Have you thought about giving up smoking altogether, Champix has worked for a lot of people, big support thread on it here http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055458413&page=48 , I'm off smokes 12mts next month, can't praise Champix enough. It's worked for a lot of my friends as well.

    Good advise

    you really should make a serious effort to quit nicotine.

    I vape e-cigs and enjoy it but I have tried to quit with champix, hypnotism, patchs, gum, lozenges and of course willpower.
    Only after years of effort to quit, did I try e-cigs and I have to say it was easy, really no effort required to make the switch from tobacco to e-cigs.
    I feel much better for it, but I'm still dependant.
    I'm using e-cigs to wean myself over time, I started at 24mg and am down to 6mg now.
    But I do know a guy who switched to e-cigs with zero nic and has been off for months now, It was his first attempt to quit!

    Note: I could not recommend Champix as I experienced psychotic episodes while on it.
    I had no history of mental illness before trying it.
    I now suffer from MDD .
    Champix is scary stuff.


  • #64
    StickyIcky
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 899 ✭✭✭StickyIcky


    heliguyheliguy wrote: »
    Note: I could not recommend Champix as I experienced psychotic episodes while on it.
    I had no history of mental illness before trying it.
    I now suffer from MDD .
    Champix is scary stuff.

    OMG that's fking terrible dude... Sorry to hear that. Jaysus.


  • #65
    Allyall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,381 ✭✭✭✭Allyall


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    You could get some pretty fcuked up dreams in the first 14 days, I did, so did a few people I know and some got none at all. if you can just accept them as drug induced dreams and nothing more you'll laugh looking back at how mental they were.
    The dreams are the worst of it, get through them and your flying it, you won't be smoking anything in 14 days time. It's a 12 week course, you don't take them any longer than that but you have to finish the course.
    heliguyheliguy wrote: »
    Note: I could not recommend Champix as I experienced psychotic episodes while on it.
    I had no history of mental illness before trying it.
    I now suffer from MDD .
    Champix is scary stuff.

    Without reading anything else online, those two statements are enough to scare the bejaysus out of me away from Champix.
    Thanks for all the advice, going to ring e-smoking ireland now and follow through with the order.


  • #66
    P.I.T.A
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 138 ✭✭P.I.T.A


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Have you thought about giving up smoking altogether, Champix has worked for a lot of people, big support thread on it here http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055458413&page=48 , I'm off smokes 12mts next month, can't praise Champix enough. It's worked for a lot of my friends as well.
    How long you been working for Pfizer's :eek:
    Good little video on the wonders of Champix http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vUgnmTiASI


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  • #67
    Darkginger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 695 ✭✭✭Darkginger


    To get back to the OP - as a previous 30-a-day smoker, I started with 18 and 20mg juices (a couple of weeks ago) and am now finding them a bit too strong for me - I enjoy vaping for the flavours, and would like to be able to do more of it, if you see what I mean. The lower the nicotine, the more I can vape :) I see myself gradually heading to 0 nicotine, but continuing to vape, just because it's fun (I think I've developed an addiction to Wingnuts Select Chocolate Donut), and enjoyable. I am already a non-smoker, despite what some people think - I don't smoke, therefore how can I be a smoker? Of course there was the time when I tried to set light to the end of my battery out of habit...

    As for Champix - my husband tried it, had weird dreams, felt a bit nauseous, finished the course, and is still puffing away on his analogues whilst I vape. I am convinced that vaping is the easiest way to stop smoking forever, and is also a pleasure in itself, regardless of it being a nicotine delivery system. In all my previous attempts to stop smoking, there has always been a sense of loss - with vaping, I feel I've gained a new pleasurable hobby - and there is absolutely no way I'll ever smoke another cigarette - they have no appeal to me whatsoever. I'd recommend vaping to anyone who wanted to quit smoking, and indeed to anyone who wanted to quit a nicotine addiction!


  • #68
    banger01
    Registered Users Posts: 60 ✭✭banger01


    *snip* - please be nice.


  • #69
    StickyIcky
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 899 ✭✭✭StickyIcky


    ^^ totally uncalled for - edit: Thanks mewso.


  • #70
    colly10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭colly10


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Have you thought about giving up smoking altogether, Champix has worked for a lot of people, big support thread on it here http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055458413&page=48 , I'm off smokes 12mts next month, can't praise Champix enough. It's worked for a lot of my friends as well.

    Found it brutal myself and it's extreamly expensive. Don't think I've ever been on anything with worse side effects either

    I don't remember having weird dreams while on it, I did feel like throwing up at times though. The worst thing I found about it though was that I didn't feel like myself at all, I felt depressed on it and depression is something I've never suffered with. When I stopped taking it the cravings were'nt long coming back.

    Its different for everyone but the side effects are real, look at the leaflet that comes with the box, there's a long list.


  • #71
    sept09baby
    Registered Users Posts: 689 ✭✭✭sept09baby


    Allyall wrote: »
    Without reading anything else online, those two statements are enough to scare the bejaysus out of me away from Champix.
    Thanks for all the advice, going to ring e-smoking ireland now and follow through with the order.


    Best of luck with it. Let us know how you get on


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  • #72
    Allyall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,381 ✭✭✭✭Allyall


    sept09baby wrote: »
    Best of luck with it. Let us know how you get on

    Should be arriving today.. Kinda looking forward to it. Getting off the cigarettes and being able to breathe properly.. Hopefully..


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