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Ireland to assist in migrant crisis in the Med.

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    #2342
    recedite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,993 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    In this video they claim that 94% of lorries entering UK are not checked for migrants. Also at the end of it they say traffickers are now recommending to migrants at the Calais/Dover route to use other ports such as Le Havre and head for places such as Rosslare. I'm not a big fan of Der Telegraf, so whether that is true or not, who knows. But maybe it would be prudent to check the incoming lorries at Rosslare. What % of trucks are being checked for stowaways there at the moment?

    On the Tunisia slaughter; terrible news. I think there is often a disconnect in peoples minds between foreign events that they see on TV and their own personal lives. They hear about events such as the wars, revolutions refugees and migrants which they only vaguely take note of. This disconnect can apply equally to a politician looking for a few extra votes or some extra kudos with EU bigwigs, or to an ordinary person just looking for the next holiday beach to sunbathe on.

    All these traffickers and migrants are able to operate out of Libya because it is in a state of chaos and civil war, with large parts under the control of fundamentalist (with the emphasis on mentalist not on funda) Islamic groups affiliated to Al Quaeda and IS. These are the kind of people who specialise in beheading westerners. Trafficking is a source of funds for them. As an added bonus for them, it is also part of a plan to destabilise heretical Europe. They have been quite open about this plan all along.

    Tunisia, being next door to Libya, was itself embroiled in revolution only 4 years ago. Sousse is only 400km up the coast from Tripoli, as the raft floats. Tunisia is the largest exporter of IS fighters to Syria.
    Its hard to believe that people from Ireland were still going there in bikinis to sunbathe up until today.


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    #2343
    recedite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,993 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    AlekSmart wrote: »
    I wonder if Sinn Féin have an opinion of this latest wheeze....this time focusing on a sorta new "Open Skies" policy.

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/unexpected-turbulence-at-dublin-airport-seven-passengers-on-inaugural-flight-from-ethiopia-claim-asylum-31332090.html
    Free coffee and biscuits on arrival :pac:
    Dublin Airport Authority must be trying to out-do the Irish Navy in providing assistance.


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    #2344
    AlekSmart
    Registered Users Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    end of the road wrote: »
    And ?,As i'm not a ricist i've nothing to worry about

    I would'nt go quite that far.....:rolleyes:

    The date on this report is last February.....how prophetic it reads today...I wonder if Frances Fitzgerald takes the Independent ?

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/isis-plans-to-use-immigrant-boats-from-libya-to-cause-terror-in-europe-and-close-shipping-routes-10053148.html
    Propaganda released by Isis has detailed plans to use Libya as a base to cause “pandemonium” in Europe by hijacking immigrant boats crossing the Mediterranean.
    Days before Isis released its gory video depicting the Egyptians’ murders, Libya’s former Prime Minister warned that the group would soon reach the Mediterranean and even Europe if order was not restored in the country.

    “(Isis) are growing. They are everywhere,” Ali Zeidan said.

    “In Libya, the situation is still under control. If we leave it one month or two months more I don’t think you can control it.

    “It will be a big war in the country and it will be here in Europe as well.”

    The warnings are stark and clear,but yet there are few signs of them being heeded....:(


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



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    #2345
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 28,990 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Alexis Sanchez wrote: »
    I guess Labour councilors in Rotherham are racists for covering up child grooming abuse scandals.
    if they did it because of the skin colour of these children then yes . however the likely reason was simple self preservation of the councils reputation among other reasons that are no excuse

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #2346
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 28,990 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    AlekSmart wrote: »
    I would'nt go quite that far.....:rolleyes:

    The date on this report is last February.....how prophetic it reads today...I wonder if Frances Fitzgerald takes the Independent ?

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/isis-plans-to-use-immigrant-boats-from-libya-to-cause-terror-in-europe-and-close-shipping-routes-10053148.html





    The warnings are stark and clear,but yet there are few signs of them being heeded....:(
    i would go that far. i'm not racist, so i've nothing to worry about.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #2347
    AlekSmart
    Registered Users Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    end of the road wrote: »
    I would go that far. I'm not racist, so i've nothing to worry about.

    From a my perspective over many threads here,some of the most intrinsically racist posts have come from a collection of posters who describe themselves as "Not being racist".

    Personally I rarely feel the need to refer to race,and when I do it is in a factual context.....If one is a Black,White or Yellow person then that's what they are.....If Black,Yellow or White people behave in a certain fashion then that's what they do.....Doing an Admiral Lord Nelson on it with one's blind eye,rarely works out well...:eek:


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



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    #2348
    JustTheOne
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    Once a few see what Shannon is been used for, that will be enough for them.


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    #2349
    Smiles35
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    recedite wrote: »
    As an added bonus for them, it is also part of a plan to destabilise heretical Europe. They have been quite open about this plan all along.

    Plan me hole. They are after the black vote.


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    #2350
    MathDebater
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    Sutherland reckons Europe has nothing to fear and we should open up our borders to Africa. A real man of the people, is this ex Goldman Sachs chairman . He goes on to cite a recent study that has proved immigration is a net benefit to the UK and uses it as an argument for opening up our borders to Africa. Except that's not what it said it all.
    Immigrants who came to live in Britain from outside Europe cost the public purse nearly £120 billion over 17 years, a new report has shown.

    The major academic study also found, however, that recent immigration from Europe – driven by the surge in arrivals from eastern European – gave the economy a £4.4 billion boost over the same period.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11209234/Immigration-from-outside-Europe-cost-120-billion.html

    He also says that migrants have a significantly lower unemployment rate than locals.
    Non-EU citizens aged 20-64 were in 2013 twice as likely (21.3%) to be unemployed in one of the EU's 28 member states compared to "nationals" (10.0%), new data from the EU's statistics office Eurostat shows.

    The data also revealed that the employment rate was 56.1% for non-EU citizens, compared with 68.9% for citizens of the reporting country.

    But large differences can be found within member states.

    In Sweden, which has the biggest gap, the employment rate for non-EU citizens was 50.2% compared with 81.3% for nationals (-31.1 percentage points), followed by Belgium (-28.8), the Netherlands (-26.8), France (-22.0), Finland (-20.5) and Germany (-20.2).

    http://www.euractiv.com/sections/social-europe-jobs/non-eu-citizens-twice-likely-be-unemployed-303834

    The RTE interviewer didn't correct him on, this of course. No bias there from our impartial national broadcaster.


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    #2351
    AlekSmart
    Registered Users Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    MathDebater wrote: »


    Sutherland reckons Europe has nothing to fear and we should open up our borders to Africa. A real man of the people, is this ex Goldman Sachs chairman . He goes on to cite a recent study that has proved immigration is a net benefit to the UK and uses it as an argument for opening up our borders to Africa. Except that's not what it said it all.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11209234/Immigration-from-outside-Europe-cost-120-billion.html

    He also says that migrants have a significantly lower unemployment rate than locals.

    http://www.euractiv.com/sections/social-europe-jobs/non-eu-citizens-twice-likely-be-unemployed-303834

    The RTE interviewer didn't correct him on, this of course. No bias there from our impartial national broadcaster.

    In reality the RTE interviewer did'nt have to do any correcting.

    A young Tunisian man called Seifeddine Rezgui,has done all the correcting necessary.

    I very much doubt that Peter Sutherland,after a lifetime of insulated, pampered,and hugely self-assured Public Service,possesses the necessary breath of comprehension to take this in.

    Peter Sutherlands assertions were wrong when he made them,as of yesterday,they are even further from reality.

    One could still hope that somebody in RTE may yet have the journalistic committment to broadcast this truth ?


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



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    #2352
    MathDebater
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    AlekSmart wrote:
    One could still hope that somebody in RTE may yet have the journalistic committment to broadcast this truth ?

    Good luck with that. They have still failed to mention of the Ethiopians who claimed asylum after the inaugural flight into Dublin. Even though they broke the story about the new route.

    It seems that the Pakistani community in Ireland are concerned about the new wave of Pakistani illegals and asylum seekers into the country.
    Meanwhile, Amir Davis, a director of the Pakistan Welfare and Cultural Association of Ireland, said Pakistanis living in Ireland are also becoming concerned about the influx of their countrymen into Ireland.

    The clampdown by UK immigration officials on people overstaying visitor visas is driving the recent surge of asylum applications here, he said.

    "Since the clampdown in the UK, Ireland is seen as a place they can easily go. They are still trying to live a better life (here) and get permanent residency status," he said.

    The new Irish applicants are typically young males who entered the UK on student visas that are about to expire and who do not want to go home. They see Ireland as the next best option.

    A number of tactics have been used to obtain residency status in Britain, including sham marriages, he said.

    But now that immigration officials in the UK have moved to tackle the scams, illegal immigrants are fleeing to Ireland.

    Even though their applications for asylum will probably be rejected, many are hoping that they can establish roots here, which they believe will bolster their cases, he said.

    "The perceived outcome is they'll be able to stay here because in the UK the cases are being processed faster but here it takes longer," he said.

    However, he said there is little sympathy within the Pakistani-Irish community for people who are simply economic migrants seeking a better standard of living.

    "For people like us who are totally legal, we feel they're spoiling the genuine cases who genuinely need asylum or have a visa. They're bringing [us] a bad name," he said.

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/migrant-crisis-growing-here-as-asylum-seekers-double-in-2015-31335109.html

    Won't stop RTE, The Irish Times, TheJournal and the usual immigration pushers painting them as genuine. With our neighbours clamping down hard on non EU immigration and the loopholes and scams that they operate, it's imperative that Fitzgerald and her department do the same.


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    #2353
    _Kaiser_
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    MathDebater wrote: »
    With our neighbours clamping down hard on non EU immigration and the loopholes and scams that they operate, it's imperative that Fitzgerald and her department do the same.

    Don't hold your breath on that one :( Fitzgerald and the rest of her colleagues are solely focused on retaining their seats now and the last thing they'll want is to be become embroiled in anything "controversial" that might hurt their chances.

    They'll (as usual) let the EU make the decisions and then claim their hands were tied if it (as it will in this case) blows up in their faces.. but of course either way the LE Eithne won't be depositing it's passengers next door to Frances, Enda and the rest so it's not surprising they're happy to just coast along on this one.

    Vote FG! :rolleyes:


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    #2354
    darkpagandeath
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    I often find it amusing people living in gated communities telling us we have nothing to fear open the boarders.


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    #2355
    xhoundx
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 327 ✭✭xhoundx


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    Don't hold your breath on that one :( Fitzgerald and the rest of her colleagues are solely focused on retaining their seats now and the last thing they'll want is to be become embroiled in anything "controversial" that might hurt their chances.

    They'll (as usual) let the EU make the decisions and then claim their hands were tied if it (as it will in this case) blows up in their faces.. but of course either way the LE Eithne won't be depositing it's passengers next door to Frances, Enda and the rest so it's not surprising they're happy to just coast along on this one.

    Vote FG! :rolleyes:


    Surely these idiots know the majority of Irish do not want these immigrants. If they want to protect their seats they should respect the wishes of the people.

    Instead we have politicians looking our for their reputations in Europe in the hope of landing some cushy number for them selves.

    The quangos that support these immigrants also stand to benefit from increases in funding so they'll be lobbying like hell for their own personal gain and to hell with the majority who'll be landed with the bills to cover their wages along with supporting the immigrants.

    The legal side though stand to benefit most, how many millionaires will be made from this scam. You can be sure they are lobbying like hell for this to happen too.

    The people of Ireland need to get very vocal about this issue and they need to do it soon


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    #2356
    MathDebater
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    Shatter waived visa restrictions on Mexicans and we will have direct flights from Mexico to Dublin to be introduced by next summer. This definitely won't lead to an increase in overstayers from South America. No sirree. Just like having direct flights from Ethiopia wouldn't lead to an increase in asylum seekers.

    After the 2011 census we learned that 17% of the population was foreign born. What makes that stat more staggering is that as recently as the mid '90s there were just 40,000 people living in the state who had not been born here, in Britain or the US. You would think such a dramatic change in demographics of the state would be worthy of debate but it hasn't been debated once in Leinster House!

    The abuse of the asylum process, sham marriages, bogus language schools, the extraordinarily high rates of welfare reliance of some nationalities resident here, illegals fleeing here from the UK - all this cannot continue for another fifteen years. Such a lax 'shur didn't paddy emigrate' attitude to immigration control is simply unsustainable.


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    #2357
    SummerRebel
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    FFS will the LÉ Eithne please stop offering a taxi service. Fair enough undertaking genuine search and rescue, but patrolling right along the coast off Libya and picking up anyone who even gets in the water is not on. They might as well use a bullhorn and tell the people on the beach what is on the menu and the nights entertainment and let them decide when they want to be picked up.


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    #2358
    SeanW
    Registered Users Posts: 8,772 ✭✭✭SeanW


    end of the road wrote: »
    they won't give up. a boat can be thrown together easily and cheeply, cheeper then they pay to trafficers if they use them. they can build their own boats and come. returning the boats every time is just not a good use of resources as its doomed to fail. these people are coming no matter what is done.
    The post you quoted said the smugglers charge £1000 a pop. How long do you think this would continue if the illegal migrants were returned to port minus their £1000?


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    #2359
    MadYaker
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    I think picking them up and returning them to whatever port they came from is the best option. These people are not our problem, Ireland has enough problems as it is. Just because the EU was able to band together after WW2 and sort its sh!t out and the middle east/africa can't doesn't mean we should have to take in these people.


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    #2360
    Markcheese
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    MadYaker wrote: »
    I think picking them up and returning them to whatever port they came from is the best option. These people are not our problem, Ireland has enough problems as it is. Just because the EU was able to band together after WW2 and sort its sh!t out and the middle east/africa can't doesn't mean we should have to take in these people.

    Most of the migrants/ refugees are coming from Libya . But they're not Libyans - a lot of west Africans and other non Arabs-
    And the Libyans don't have much time for them!! ( even less for the Africans that gaddafi used as his mercenaries) . They can't really stop them coming into Libya ( and you can be sure some groups are taxing the smugglers) .
    So why would they take the migrants back ?

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



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    #2361
    MathDebater
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    So why would they take the migrants back ?

    Tie it in as a condition for any aid they are currently receiving.


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    #2362
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 28,990 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    SummerRebel wrote: »
    FFS will the LÉ Eithne please stop offering a taxi service. Fair enough undertaking genuine search and rescue, but patrolling right along the coast off Libya and picking up anyone who even gets in the water is not on. They might as well use a bullhorn and tell the people on the beach what is on the menu and the nights entertainment and let them decide when they want to be picked up.
    it is undertaking a genuine search and rescue operation, not offering a taxi service.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #2363
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 28,990 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    MathDebater wrote: »
    Tie it in as a condition for any aid they are currently receiving.
    unworkable. the current option is the only one now

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #2364
    WakeUp
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    MathDebater wrote: »
    Tie it in as a condition for any aid they are currently receiving.

    we are one of the few countries in the world who hand out money , borrowed money at that, at the Irish tax payers expense with no strings attached. whilst Irish people lay on trollies in hospital corridors, health services being slashed police stations being closed down so on. Irish kids living below the poverty line, homeless and massive housing list all theses problems we have yet we still borrow 700 odd million a year and hand it out. Finland have recently slashed their foreign aid in half we should do similar and spend the 350 million it would give us on Irish people and Irish services that are needed. as Irish people and citizens are more important than anyone else just how it is. look after our own first nobody else is going to do that for us. we hand out money to the likes of India, Pakistan and Nigeria to name but 3. these are nuclear powers one of them awash in oil even a space program thrown in there dafuq are we giving them money for. thats not right when that money could be spent on our citizens who need it just as bad.

    If we must hand out money there must be conditions attached to it where applicable. and we should halve what we hand out. at a minimum.


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    #2365
    MathDebater
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    end of the road wrote: »
    unworkable. the current option is the only one now

    Yes, picking up these illegals off the Libyan coast and bringing them to Europe is clearly the best option. It's not like there are another million or so waiting to make the trip. It's not like Europe is suffering a huge unemployment crisis or anything.

    All of this is completely sustainable.


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    #2366
    snubbleste
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    end of the road wrote: »
    it is undertaking a genuine search and rescue operation, not offering a taxi service.
    If that was he case, the migrants would be returned to Libya.


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    #2367
    end of the road
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    WakeUp wrote: »
    we are one of the few countries in the world who hand out money , borrowed money at that, at the Irish tax payers expense with no strings attached. whilst Irish people lay on trollies in hospital corridors, health services being slashed police stations being closed down so on. Irish kids living below the poverty line, homeless and massive housing list all theses problems we have yet we still borrow 700 odd million a year and hand it out. Finland have recently slashed their foreign aid in half we should do similar and spend the 350 million it would give us on Irish people and Irish services that are needed. as Irish people and citizens are more important than anyone else just how it is. look after our own first nobody else is going to do that for us. we hand out money to the likes of India, Pakistan and Nigeria to name but 3. these are nuclear powers one of them awash in oil even a space program thrown in there dafuq are we giving them money for. thats not right when that money could be spent on our citizens who need it just as bad.

    If we must hand out money there must be conditions attached to it where applicable. and we should halve what we hand out. at a minimum.
    we do look after our own first, nobody is more important then anyone. all our problems will exist foreign aid or not. the money to fix our problems won't be spent.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #2368
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 28,990 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    snubbleste wrote: »
    If that was he case, the migrants would be returned to Libya.
    returning them has been deemed unworkable as they will come again on the next boat

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    PeteFalk78
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    end of the road wrote: »
    returning them has been deemed unworkable as they will come again on the next boat

    When were they ever returned?


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    #2370
    xhoundx
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 327 ✭✭xhoundx


    end of the road wrote: »
    we do look after our own first, nobody is more important then anyone. all our problems will exist foreign aid or not. the money to fix our problems won't be spent.


    If it were true that we look after our own first we would need to have zero irish homeless and zero irish family's living in poverty before we started taking in immigrants.

    You are spoofing as you always do.

    What we have in ireland is a political class that would sell the country down the swanny to enrich themselves and their cronies. This wave of immigration is for the benefit of nobody except the political classes and their associates involved in making money off the back of the taxpayer and furthering their own career prospects in Europe.
    To hell with the consequences so long as they get their snouts in the trough


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    #2371
    darkpagandeath
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    xhoundx wrote: »
    If it were true that we look after our own first we would need to have zero irish homeless and zero irish family's living in poverty before we started taking in immigrants.

    You are spoofing as you always do.

    What we have in ireland is a political class that would sell the country down the swanny to enrich themselves and their cronies. This wave of immigration is for the benefit of nobody except the political classes associated with making money and furthering their own career prospects.
    To hell with the consequences so long as they get their snouts in the trough

    What do you mean "would" :pac::pac::pac:


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