Ireland to assist in migrant crisis in the Med.

FalconGirl · 13-05-2015 9:07pm

Grayson wrote: »

We've only just hit prefamine populations and are still one of the least densly populated countries in western europe.

with major social crisis's of our own to deal with.

Grandpa Hassan · 13-05-2015 9:07pm

end of the road wrote: »

they are going to come in their droves no matter what.

There's no debating with you if you think that numbers will not increase if we open the doors. Give them an open invitation. Of course the word will spread and nbrta will skyrocket. Theresa May'a strategy is spot on....we will end up taking some, for sure, but not as many as people with your views want us to and we will actively return those who are not genuine asylum seekers.

What we will absolutely not do in the uk under the current government (and Ireland will follow) is bend over and accept those quotas. We will continue to support a strategy that sends them back. And that will not change. We are not going to give them an open invitation like you seem to want to do

end of the road · 13-05-2015 9:09pm

IrishTrajan wrote: »

Of course it is.

of course its not. sorry, i don't buy it has stopped the boats.

IrishTrajan wrote: »

Abbot's government has largely stopped illegal migration

i'm sure it has. but at the end of the day, as long as the public believe it thats all that matters.

IrishTrajan · 13-05-2015 9:12pm

Grayson wrote: »

So you think that because Irish people were treated like **** by racists we shouldn't take people in here and we should just as racist as the people who made life hard for the Irish?

No, but your argument rested upon the "Irish people emigrated and it was fine, we should allow Muslims to immigrate and it will be fine". That's not what happened. Irish people emigrated to largely homogenous nations, and that still resulted in culture clashes. To think that mass immigration of Muslims somehow won't result in culture clashes is absolutely ridiculous.

Grayson wrote: »

At what part did this turn into a "take people into your home" thread. You do realise how absolutely stupid that is.

You want to help people. Why not help people here who need it just as much?

Grayson wrote: »

Most muslim societies are very similar to here. Do you know anything about mainstream islam? Have you seen the muslims who are here already destroying our society? Strangely Ireland is a popular country with muslim immigrants because we are socially conservative.

Yes, actually, I do. I have quite a few Muslim friends, probably prefer them to a great many Irish people. The fact of the matter is, they are secular in their beliefs. Not all Muslims are like that, and saying "oh well I have had a nice interaction with secularists, surely all Muslims are like that" is dangerously naive. Islam does have a higher proportion of people willing to commit violence in its name than normal.

Grayson wrote: »

I have a feeling that all you know about islam is what you have read in the daily mail. I've lived in a secular muslim country that has since turned religious. Lots of people there are fleeing and after syria it has the second largest displaced population in the middle east because of people fleeing ISIS.

Yes, of course. I'm a closeted xenophobe. It's not like I have genuine reason to believe mass immigration of people (who happen to be Muslim, by nature of geography) isn't a good idea.

Grayson wrote: »

Is it just islam you have a problem with?Would you be ok with christian immigrants who are fleeing persecution? Or how about white muslims? Ot white christians? Seriously, if you answer one question let me know who you think are acceptable.

No, it isn't just Islam I have a problem with. Yes, Islam is an important factor to consider, but it is not the end-all, be-all. Christian immigrants? Yes, I don't think we should allow mass immigration. That will strain our system and lead to a reduced standard for all. What does "white" Muslim or Christian have to do with anything? If you want to call me a racist, be upfront about it, and don't hide behind such tactics.

Who do I think is acceptable? Those who want and, more importantly, deserve to be here. Those who realize the West is the West. Those who will adapt to our culture and way of life, rather than moving here and bitching at us about why it isn't more like back home. You want to live here? Fine. Want to work and have a family? Fine. Want to enjoy the fruits of the secular West? Absolutely fine. Want to bitch about the West? Not fine. Want to try and scare people into being afraid of being called racist? Not fine. Want to resort to violence when people draw pictures and cartoons? Not. Fúcking. Fine.

end of the road · 13-05-2015 9:13pm

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

And yet we have a housing shortage in our capital city, and many of our towns have been decimated by the recession - but sure let's invite boat loads of economic migrants in with nothing to support themselves.. what could go wrong?!!

I know the current Government would make you wonder, but this is still a democratic country last I checked. I'm not sure I buy into your "this is how it is.. tough!" attitude to that.

you will have to buy into it though, as it is happening whether you want it to or not. and there is nothing you can do to stop the government from taking in refugees

IrishTrajan · 13-05-2015 9:14pm

end of the road wrote: »

of course its not. sorry, i don't buy it has stopped the boats.

i'm sure it has. but at the end of the day, as long as the public believe it thats all that matters.

Do you really think everything is a conspiracy? That you're in the minority of people who've "seen the truth"?

I mean... Come on, man.

end of the road · 13-05-2015 9:17pm

Grandpa Hassan wrote: »

There's no debating with you if you think that numbers will not increase if we open the doors. Give them an open invitation. Of course the word will spread and nbrta will skyrocket. Theresa May'a strategy is spot on....we will end up taking some, for sure, but not as many as people with your views want us to and we will actively return those who are not genuine asylum seekers.

What we will absolutely not do in the uk under the current government (and Ireland will follow) is bend over and accept those quotas. We will continue to support a strategy that sends them back. And that will not change. We are not going to give them an open invitation like you seem to want to do

oh britain will bend over. Theresa May just spouts this and that just to keep the rabel rabel types on side to ensure they vote torey and not UKIP. in fairness the strategy has worked as they got elected again

nokia69 · 13-05-2015 9:17pm

end of the road wrote: »

you will have to buy into it though, as it is happening whether you want it to or not. and there is nothing you can do to stop the government from taking in refugees

for now thats true

but if the government take the piss and do what the looney left want then people will vote them out

emo72 · 13-05-2015 9:19pm

Grayson wrote: »

We've only just hit prefamine populations and are still one of the least densly populated countries in western europe.

prefamine ireland was a poverty stricken hovel. we basically lived in makeshift huts. it was a disaster zone. things are a million times better now, and we still have a massive housing crisis. with families who thought they were secure now finding themselves homeless.

we are not in the best position to be taking on this humanitarian crisis. we have our own crisis right here.

Hans Bricks · 13-05-2015 9:20pm

end of the road wrote: »

"pc waffle" . can you not post a rant without using that bigoted term "pc" . there is no such thing as pc. its a myth. low rent refers to those who use such terms as part of their rants. "i'm not racist but" is another one for example

end of the road wrote: »

"an attempt at pc" dear jesus. its about time the low rent who use this racist bigoted term "pc" get it into their heads that it doesn't exist.

Suffering jesus. You're just here to give out about the term PC again aren't you ? Another desperate repeat of the same moronic rant about how "PC doesn't exist". It's a term. It's been and still is used by people from all sides of the political spectrum. There was even a satirical TV show titled "Politically Incorrect" hosted by Bill Maher. But of course it's been explained to you dozens of times. You'd argue that grass wasn't green, you're that infantile. Maybe learn to construct a sentence like someone over the age of 13 before classing other people as "low rent".

Humiliating yourself. Again.

wakka12 · 13-05-2015 9:23pm

IrishTrajan wrote: »

It actually makes me curious. What if we were to put all these people in one town up in say Donegal, relatively isolated but still close enough to avail of state services and stuff.

Would it become something like Malmo, where criminal gangs take over, or would it function completely the same?

It's 200 odd per 20,000. So if 40,000 come in, we have to see 400. Our number will probably go up seeing as how the British are refusing to agree.

It would turn into a hellhole. These people come from horrible uncivilised societies that don't value human rights and take life for granted. Its no reflection on any of the individuals, and I think if immigrants are incorporated into western society gradually and in small numbers they can contribute in many positive ways to our society. But put them together, they stick to the laws and customs of their homeland, and this hypothetical ghetto will turn into a mini version of the god awful countries they were fleeing from in the first place

Grandpa Hassan · 13-05-2015 9:25pm

end of the road wrote: »

oh britain will bend over. Theresa May just spouts this and that just to keep the rabel rabel types on side to ensure they vote torey and not UKIP. in fairness the strategy has worked as they got elected again

I don't think you are in tune with what most people want. May won't back down on this one, just how we haven't backed down on taking people from the Calais camps. There is a European referendum next year, remember, and bending over and accepting these quotas will certainly add some points to the 'out' camp

end of the road · 13-05-2015 9:27pm

IrishTrajan wrote: »

You want to help people. Why not help people here who need it just as much?

how do you know he isn't. our problems are nothing compared to these countries.

IrishTrajan wrote: »

Islam does have a higher proportion of people willing to commit violence in its name than normal.

oh i don't know. irish catholics commited acts of violence and terrorism upon this country for decades. ask the survivers and the stolen children from the laundries for example

IrishTrajan wrote: »

Those who will adapt to our culture and way of life

what "culture" and what "way of life"

IrishTrajan wrote: »

Want to bitch about the West? Not fine.

it is fine. freedom of speach. as long as they aren't preaching violence, bitch away. nobody with any sense will listen anyway

IrishTrajan wrote: »

Want to try and scare people into being afraid of being called racist? Not fine.

who is being "scared into being afraid of being called racist" from what i can see, only racists are being scared and are afraid to be called racist which is good

xhoundx · 13-05-2015 9:28pm

end of the road wrote: »

no it won't. it never has and it never will. look at france, they have been doing exactly that. sending people back. hasn't worked now has it

Our borders are a hell of a lot easier to police than Frances. What's your opinion on the troubles in France stemming from the ghettos that house a lot of these migrants? See any lessons we could learn there?

end of the road wrote: »

it won't make a difference. if one is desperate to get to a particular country then do it they will eventually.

See above.

end of the road wrote: »

we do i'm afraid. we voted for it and signed up to the treaties that mean we have such obligations.

Which treaties did we vote for to allow non European migrants in?

end of the road wrote: »

what "way of life"

The Irish way of life. I suspect this comment was fishing for some racist ammo you could use on me. Try again

end of the road wrote: »

what "needyness to be seen to be caring" . i don't need ofbe "seen to be caring" . the "rest of us" whoever "us" is will care whether they want to or not. ireland is going to take in some of these refugees whether you like it or not. get used to it, its happening and there is nothing you can do about it.

You ignored my suggestion at ****ing off to Africa for a few months, go and take your wife/Girlfriend/daughter with you, when you come back you can enlighten us all to your first hand experience of integrating with your new foreign friends.

end of the road · 13-05-2015 9:30pm

nokia69 wrote: »

the looney left

as opposed to the "racist right" . see i can play that game as well

IrishTrajan · 13-05-2015 9:30pm

wakka12 wrote: »

It would turn into a hellhole. These people come from horrible uncivilised societies that don't value human rights and take life for granted. Its no reflection on any of the individuals, and I think if immigrants are incorporated into western society gradually and in small numbers they can contribute in many positive ways to our society. But put them together, they stick to the laws and customs of their homeland, and this hypothetical ghetto will turn into a mini version of the god awful countries they were fleeing from in the first place

Oh, it's not hypothetical. There's neighbourhoods in Berlin, Paris, and most obviously Malmo, Sweden. The police get run out. This is likely down to economic pressure from recession, but the fact they want Sharia law is quite obviously another factor.

We should take in whichever people want to integrate and assimilate, there should be no question about it. But I don't think taking in tens of thousands is a good idea.

end of the road · 13-05-2015 9:31pm

Hans Bricks wrote: »

Suffering jesus. You're just here to give out about the term PC again aren't you ? Another desperate repeat of the same moronic rant about how "PC doesn't exist". It's a term. It's been and still is used by people from all sides of the political spectrum. There was even a satirical TV show titled "Politically Incorrect" hosted by Bill Maher. But of course it's been explained to you dozens of times. You'd argue that grass wasn't green, you're that infantile. Maybe learn to construct a sentence like someone over the age of 13 before classing other people as "low rent".

Humiliating yourself. Again.

oh i'm not. far from it

emo72 · 13-05-2015 9:33pm

end of the road wrote: »

oh i'm not. far from it

you have convinced us all.

IrishTrajan · 13-05-2015 9:33pm

end of the road wrote: »

as opposed to the "racist right" . see i can play that game as well

It's arguably just as racist to ignore the obvious culture differences because their skin isn't white, exempting them from such scrutiny as would be applied to Western Caucasians.

end of the road · 13-05-2015 9:34pm

Grandpa Hassan wrote: »

I don't think you are in tune with what most people want. May won't back down on this one, just how we haven't backed down on taking people from the Calais camps. There is a European referendum next year, remember, and bending over and accepting these quotas will certainly add some points to the 'out' camp

don't bank on it. in fairness the referendum if it ever happens will be an interesting one. the government might not want to leave as they get a good deal from it, surely some of the tories are MEPS won't they not be wanting to keep their expences and stay on that gravey train?

Gatling · 13-05-2015 9:36pm

end of the road wrote: »

don't bank on it. in fairness the referendum if it ever happens will be an interesting one. the government might not want to leave as they get a good deal from it, surely some of the tories are MEPS won't they not be wanting to keep their expences and stay on that gravey train?

Business want in

Ordinary tax payers want out of the EU apparently

end of the road · 13-05-2015 9:36pm

IrishTrajan wrote: »

It's arguably just as racist to ignore the obvious culture differences because their skin isn't white, exempting them from such scrutiny as would be applied to Western Caucasians.

who says i ignore it

end of the road · 13-05-2015 9:38pm

Gatling wrote: »

Business want in

Ordinary tax payers want out of the EU apparently

oh i know. yes some ordinary tax payers want out, some don't as they realize it will be more difficult being out then in. business definitely wants in that is true, and the tories do like business so they will probably ensure a vote to stay on those grounds. i suppose it depends on which of their agendas they value more though

Hans Bricks · 13-05-2015 9:39pm

end of the road wrote: »

oh i'm not. far from it

The rest of the world would kind of disagree with your ****e rebuttals

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_correctness

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/politically%20correct

http://www.economist.com/style-guide/political-correctness

http://www.irishexaminer.com/viewpoints/analysis/avoid-triumph-of-political-correctness-over-mother-nature-328052.html

http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2015/2/why-political-correctness-is-still-politically-relevant.html

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/oliver-burkeman-column/2014/nov/13/political-correctness-science-conservatives-liberals

Yamanoto · 13-05-2015 9:39pm

My name is URL wrote: »

There are thousands of Irish people moving abroad for economical reasons every month. Do those who are so opposed to migration think that they shouldn't be allowed to leave? Seems only fair really.

Do Irish economic migrants typically arrive in Canada, NZ or wherever with no means to support themselves, nowhere to live, unable to work and with substantially higher rates of medical complication than the general population?

Cold War Kid · 13-05-2015 9:43pm

My name is URL wrote: »

There are thousands of Irish people moving abroad for economical reasons every month. Do those who are so opposed to migration think that they shouldn't be allowed to leave? Seems only fair really.

This. I find it really baffling and a bit arrogant when Irish people are hostile to immigration. I know it can't be a "free for all" as that's simply not possible to accommodate, but it isn't a "free for all" anyway.

My name is URL · 13-05-2015 9:45pm

Yamanoto wrote: »

Do Irish economic migrants typically arrive in Canada, NZ or wherever with no means to support themselves, nowhere to live, unable to work and with substantially higher rates of medical complication than the general population?

Yes, many.

There are an estimated 50,000 undocumented Irish people in the US alone. People who can't make plans to legally work, rent or insure themselves prior to heading over.

Our own government are fighting on their side and many US politicians alongside them, to give those people some rights. It'd be a bit of a laugh if we were to outright refuse to even consider taking in migrants at the same time.

MathDebater · 13-05-2015 9:57pm

Cold War Kid wrote: »

This. I find it really baffling and a bit arrogant when Irish people are hostile to immigration. I know it can't be a "free for all" as that's simply not possible to accommodate, but it isn't a "free for all" anyway.

Do you understand the difference between illegal and legal immigration? Canada and Australia have reciprocal working holiday agreements in place with Ireland. The UK and Ireland have the common travel area and we have free movement of labour with the other 26 member states.

For non EU immigrants with skills that our labour market lacks, there is the Critical Skills employment permit. Within the EU, if they meet the requirements, they can apply for for an EU blue card, the red white and red card for Austria, the German jobseekers visa, the Danish greencard and that's just a small sampling of the visas and mechanisms they can use to legally migrate to the EU. Europe is far from a fortress.

If they do not have skills or qualifications that we require, then that is unfortunate for them, but ultimately not our problem. We should definitely not be allowing illegal immigrants, who come via boat, to stay in the EU. 170k have made to trip into Italy this year alone. The Italian Ministry for Immigration have stated that up to a million are currently in Libya coastal areas, waiting to make the trip across. It's summer now and calm seas. Tens of thousands more are going to come each week. The more get in, the more that will be encouraged to go to Libya to make the crossing. If this isn't a free for all, then what is?

As for irish illegals in the US, if apprehended I hope that they get deported. There are plenty of Irish people who would legally migrate to the US but who have joined the queue like everyone else.

Grandpa Hassan · 13-05-2015 9:57pm

end of the road wrote: »

don't bank on it. in fairness the referendum if it ever happens will be an interesting one. the government might not want to leave as they get a good deal from it, surely some of the tories are MEPS won't they not be wanting to keep their expences and stay on that gravey train?

The referendum will happen. The public is expecting it at this stage. Too late to back down. Will probably be brought forward to next year. The government will be wanting to stay in. It is the British people outside of London that they have to persuade. Opening the doors to floods of migrants hardly advances their case in what might be quite a close vote

I find your desire to open the doors and welcome in the world and his dog (or goat) astounding

nokia69 · 13-05-2015 10:04pm

end of the road wrote: »

as opposed to the "racist right" . see i can play that game as well

but I'm not racist and believe in no racist theories or ideas

but you on the other hand

MathDebater · 13-05-2015 10:10pm

end of the road wrote: »

we do i'm afraid. we voted for it and signed up to the treaties that mean we have such obligations.

Ireland, the UK and Denmark can opt out if they so wish. The EU cannot compel us to join. It's up to the government.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32705615

end of the road · 13-05-2015 10:14pm

Grandpa Hassan wrote: »

The referendum will happen. The public is expecting it at this stage. Too late to back down. Will probably be brought forward to next year. The government will be wanting to stay in. It is the British people outside of London that they have to persuade. Opening the doors to floods of migrants hardly advances their case in what might be quite a close vote

I find your desire to open the doors and welcome in the world and his dog (or goat) astounding

anything to back up that i want to "open the doors and welcome the world and his whatever"

Yamanoto · 13-05-2015 10:16pm

My name is URL wrote: »

Yes, many.

There are an estimated 50,000 undocumented Irish people in the US alone. People who can't make plans to legally work, rent or insure themselves prior to heading over.

Asylum seekers in Ireland aren't entitled to seek work & I'd imagine those that go about circumventing that preclusion constitute a tiny minority of the overall numbers.

As such, they are entirely reliant on the State for the provision of food, housing & medical care from day one.

Though the undocumented Irish are also banned from entering the labour market, their savings, wages and general health ensure the burden they place on the social services of their host country is a million times removed from that experienced by EU states attempting to get a handle on the current crisis.

end of the road · 13-05-2015 10:16pm

nokia69 wrote: »

but I'm not racist and believe in no racist theories or ideas

did i say that you did?

nokia69 wrote: »

but you on the other hand

oh? really? anything to prove that baseless accusation?

nokia69 · 13-05-2015 10:19pm

end of the road wrote: »

oh? really? anything to prove that baseless accusation?

I'm not saying you are racist

I'm saying your views are typical of the looney left

IrishTrajan · 13-05-2015 10:21pm

MathDebater wrote: »

Ireland, the UK and Denmark can opt out if they so wish. The EU cannot compel us to join. It's up to the government.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32705615

The Commission spokesperson told journalists on Tuesday that "the United Kingdom and Ireland will only be bound if they so choose"

Hopefully we follow the UK's lead and refuse to accept it.

nokia69 · 13-05-2015 10:21pm

end of the road wrote: »

did i say that you did?

you implied it

MathDebater · 13-05-2015 10:22pm

Yamanoto wrote: »

Asylum seekers in Ireland aren't entitled to seek work & I'd imagine those that go about circumventing that preclusion constitute a tiny minority of the overall numbers.

As such, they are entirely reliant on the State for the provision of food, housing & medical care from day one.

Though the undocumented Irish are also banned from entering the labour market, their savings, wages and general health ensure the burden they place on the social services of their host country is a million times removed from that experienced by EU states attempting to get a handle on the current crisis.

As is, the asylum system costs the state €150 million per annum.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/ireland-spending-150-million-asylum-system-153955286.html

wakka12 · 13-05-2015 10:30pm

Grayson wrote: »

We've only just hit prefamine populations and are still one of the least densly populated countries in western europe.

And apparently thats a bad thing? we NEED the refugees! we NEED to populate the island for no good reason! literally no reason.

MorpheusKnight · 13-05-2015 10:33pm

end of the road wrote: »

how do you know he isn't. our problems are nothing compared to these countries.

end of the road wrote: »

Let them seek refuge in Saudi and Iran. Countries whose culture is more condusive to the places they are coming from.

end of the road wrote: »

oh i don't know. irish catholics commited acts of violence and terrorism upon this country for decades. ask the survivers and the stolen children from the laundries for example

end of the road wrote: »

Oh, I don't know. Islam is creating pretty violent act RIGHT NOW

end of the road wrote: »

what "culture" and what "way of life"

end of the road wrote: »

You know - the democratic way of life that we are used to here in the West

end of the road wrote: »

it is fine. freedom of speach. as long as they aren't preaching violence, bitch away. nobody with any sense will listen anyway

end of the road wrote: »

who is being "scared into being afraid of being called racist" from what i can see, only racists are being scared and are afraid to be called racist which is good

Cuckoo. Islamism is a socio political way of life. Not just for weekends.

You - look at the bullsh*t that you want all people to subject to - - your mind.

IrishTrajan · 13-05-2015 10:34pm

wakka12 wrote: »

And apparently thats a bad thing? we NEED the refugees! we NEED to populate the island for no good reason! literally no reason.

Well, to be honest, I would like for us to industrialize the west/south-west of the country so that we can diversify from having a Dublin-heavy economy. We should keep the midlands as largely rural and scenic, but that's just me.

wakka12 · 13-05-2015 10:35pm

end of the road wrote: »

as opposed to the "racist right" . see i can play that game as well

Should we ignore the fact that many muslim immigrants consider women living in our countries to be dirt? And I don't care what people say about generalising, there is a significantly higher number of muslims who are incredibly disrespectful towards women than in any other religion or culture and it creates a dysfunctional society.

wakka12 · 13-05-2015 10:38pm

MathDebater wrote: »

Ireland, the UK and Denmark can opt out if they so wish. The EU cannot compel us to join. It's up to the government.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32705615

I dont understand why the public isn't allowed decide whether this should be allowed or not. We will be the ones who will be living around thousands of these refugees not those sitting in government.

MorpheusKnight · 13-05-2015 10:41pm

IrishTrajan wrote: »

Oh, it's not hypothetical. There's neighbourhoods in Berlin, Paris, and most obviously Malmo, Sweden. The police get run out. This is likely down to economic pressure from recession, but the fact they want Sharia law is quite obviously another factor.

We should take in whichever people want to integrate and assimilate, there should be no question about it. But I don't think taking in tens of thousands is a good idea.

Yazidi and Copts. They are being cleansed from the ME.

Sunni's and Shia's are just getting moved around.

They are coming to Europe and they are taking ALL the parking spaces.

DeadHand · 13-05-2015 10:42pm

The fact is most of these illegal migrants are illiterate, non-English speaking, unskilled and from deeply misogynistic, homophobic, frankly horrible cultures. Many will possess deeply held religious (guess which ones!) and cultural beliefs that are totally at odds with Western civilization.

They are unlikely to contribute anything but misery and burden to their host countries. At best, they will be parasitic presences in these nations, most of which still need to borrow money for their day to day running. At worst, they will actively seek to destroy these nations and replace our cultures with the backward misery they are fleeing. As we have seen.

If Europe attempts to absorb the coming exodus it's very fabric will be changed negatively forever and it will be faced with constant, re-occurring Malmos, Rotherhams and Paris' until Enlightenment is extinguished in Europe and replaced by a new era of imported religious tyranny.

The rescues must stop. It must be made known that if you attempt to enter Europe in a dangerous, illegal fashion you will quite likely die. A state that doesn't defend its borders is no longer a state. One that actively aids the penetration of illegal invaders through these borders certainly isn't. It's time for the states of Europe to defend theirs more rigorously or at least stop helping those who seek to violate them. It's the kinder option in the long run as it will result in fewer attempts, eventually fewer deaths when it is realized it is no longer a viable option and less long term damage to European civilization.

The solution to this is to help Africa as much as possible to keep people in Africa. Unfortunately, the incompetence, ignorance and greed of African governments makes this a difficult task. The West most take its share of the blame. Only now, as with Saddam, do we realize what a folly it was to remove Gaddafi. What a folly it would be to remove Assad. These tyrants left (or would leave) gaping holes quickly filled by something so much more expansionist and a chaos that now threatens to engulf Europe.

FionnK86 · 13-05-2015 10:46pm

DeadHand wrote: »

The fact is most of these illegal migrants are illiterate, non-English speaking, unskilled and from deeply misogynistic, homophobic, frankly horrible cultures. Many will possess deeply held religious (guess which ones!) and cultural beliefs that are totally at odds with Western civilization.

They are unlikely to contribute anything but misery and burden to their host countries. At best, they will be parasitic presences in these nations, most of which still need to borrow money for their day to day running. At worst, they will actively seek to destroy these nations and replace our cultures with the backward misery they are fleeing. As we have seen.

Sounds like people from Cork.

wakka12 · 13-05-2015 10:49pm

Honestly I don't know how people are calling for increases in immigration. Today over 20% of Britains population is foreign born, and by 2050 the majority of babies born in britain are predicted to be children of foreign mothers. How in any way is that a good thing? Im all for multiculturalism, but the replacement of an entire native populous with people coming from completely different cultures? No thanks. Yes SOME immigrants assimilate but as we can see in many of the dozens if not hundreds of ethnic ghettos across western europe, many if not most clearly don't take much of a liking to our customs or cultures and want life to be just like how it was back in sh!tholeville

end of the road · 13-05-2015 10:51pm

nokia69 wrote: »

I'm not saying you are racist

I'm saying your views are typical of the looney left

like yours are typical of the racist right? i can play that nonsense as well

end of the road · 13-05-2015 10:52pm

nokia69 wrote: »

you implied it

i didn't

end of the road · 13-05-2015 10:55pm

wakka12 wrote: »

I dont understand why the public isn't allowed decide whether this should be allowed or not. We will be the ones who will be living around thousands of these refugees not those sitting in government.

because there is no need to allow us to decide on it.

Ireland to assist in migrant crisis in the Med.

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