Ireland to assist in migrant crisis in the Med.

Rhys Essien · 13-05-2015 2:35pm #1

Navy ship LE Eithne set to leave this weekend.They will have their work cut out.I see the latest news,the Brits have picked up 400 this morning.I suppose we cant leave it all to the Italians.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/navy-sends-leacute-eithne-to-tackle-migrants-crisis-330244.html

Another thing,if we accept EU plans on taking in migrants,we will take in 272 migrants per 20,000.Are there many empty houses around Connacht.It will be one way to repopulate the province.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/ireland-set-to-accept-272-migrants-per-20-000-under-new-eu-quotas-1.2210931

Mourinho · 13-05-2015 2:41pm

I heard this and wondered if it's per 20,000 how many will there be tho if this keeps going on? I mean is Europe just to keep saving and taking in people indefinitely?

Menas · 13-05-2015 2:41pm

The brits may be right on this one. The answer is to cut off the source.
At the moment all the trafficers need to do is get some sort of a boat, find a migrant willing to drive it and then fill the boat with paying passengers and send it in a vague northerly direction. They know that the boat will probably be intercepted and the migrants rescued and enter the EU system from there.

wakka12 · 13-05-2015 2:42pm

Rhys Essien wrote: »

Navy ship LE Eithne set to leave this weekend.They will have their work cut out.I see the latest news,the Brits have picked up 400 this morning.I suppose we cant leave it all to the Italians.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/navy-sends-leacute-eithne-to-tackle-migrants-crisis-330244.html

Another thing,if we accept EU plans on taking in migrants,we will take in 272 migrants per 20,000.Are there many empty houses around Connacht.It will be one way to repopulate the province.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/ireland-set-to-accept-272-migrants-per-20-000-under-new-eu-quotas-1.2210931

Repopulating connacht with poor muslim refugees who don't even speak english is surely a good way to restore population loss in the area without seriously damaging the culture of the area :rolleyes:

wakka12 · 13-05-2015 2:43pm

Mourinho wrote: »

I heard this and wondered if it's per 20,000 how many will there be tho if this keeps going on? I mean is Europe just to keep saving and taking in people indefinitely?

Apparently. I think we should spend more money on lowering birth rates in these poor countries and improving life in there, taking in refugees is a drop in the ocean no matter how many we take. And its not sustainable.

IrishTrajan · 13-05-2015 2:45pm

Rhys Essien wrote: »

Another thing,if we accept EU plans on taking in migrants,we will take in 272 migrants per 20,000.Are there many empty houses around Connacht.It will be one way to repopulate the province.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/ireland-set-to-accept-272-migrants-per-20-000-under-new-eu-quotas-1.2210931

Are they illegal migrants that we're taking, or asylum seekers? If asylum seekers, it's not that many. If it's illegal migrants, it's going to quite a lot. Didn't the Finnish say the EU can't force this, and it's only up to individual member states to decide?

We got stung with 7 years of austerity to make sure the European economies didn't collapse, I can only hope we're not going to be stung with taking a couple thousand illegal migrants because Germany and Sweden don't want theirs any more.

Outkast_IRE · 13-05-2015 2:46pm

I think the USA should be forking out and taking them all . They have a large responsibility in this cluster fcuk of a situation .

SEPT 23 1989 · 13-05-2015 2:46pm

I thought they were sending warships to deal with this problem

IrishTrajan · 13-05-2015 2:52pm

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I thought they were sending warships to deal with this problem

We're sending a small (small by military standards) OPV (what we use to police fishing zones within Irish waters) to help. LÉ Eithne is the largest ship in the Irish navy, and will serve a couple months before being replaced by another, newer ship.

Yamanoto · 13-05-2015 2:53pm

Outkast_IRE wrote: »

I think the USA should be forking out and taking them all . They have a large responsibility in this cluster fcuk of a situation .

How so?

Hans Bricks · 13-05-2015 2:54pm

Would it not make more sense to patrol activity hotspots along the Libyan coastline ?

Grandpa Hassan · 13-05-2015 2:54pm

I agree with the Brits here. These migrants are mainly not asylum seekers from North African countries in which the west has intervened (and therefore would have a moral obligation to take them in) but are economic migrants from places like Eritrea and Somalia. Taking them in will encourage more and more in an endless escalation.

MathDebater · 13-05-2015 2:55pm

Where will they live? It's not like there is an abundance of social housing in the country. Where will they work? We have circa 400k unemployed residents. A lot of whom, would be significantly more skilled than these migrants. Will they require language classes? Education? Training? Healthcare? A welfare stipend? Who shall pay for all this?

Mourinho · 13-05-2015 2:56pm

Trigger Happy wrote: »

The brits may be right on this one. The answer is to cut off the source.
At the moment all the trafficers need to do is get some sort of a boat, find a migrant willing to drive it and then fill the boat with paying passengers and send it in a vague northerly direction. They know that the boat will probably be intercepted and the migrants rescued and enter the EU system from there.

Just what I was thinking too even if a boat gets caught they will know their probably going to be let in anyway and with all the patrols even dodgy boats getting into trouble will be rescued.

Honestly the only logical first step is find where these boats are launching destroy them in dock.

LDN_Irish · 13-05-2015 2:56pm

wakka12 wrote: »

Repopulating connacht with poor muslim refugees who don't even speak english is surely a good way to restore population loss in the area without seriously damaging the culture of the area :rolleyes:

Convert to Catholicism and they'd fit right in!

Rhys Essien · 13-05-2015 2:57pm

wakka12 wrote: »

Repopulating connacht with poor muslim refugees who don't even speak english is surely a good way to restore population loss in the area without seriously damaging the culture of the area :rolleyes:

Ah come on,thats like something Nigel Farage would say.A lot of them do speak english and you have to admit that Connacht is very under populated.Culture you say,now where did I hear people on about 'Our Culture' before.

godwin · 13-05-2015 2:58pm

They should pick them up and drop them back where they departed from.

IrishTrajan · 13-05-2015 2:59pm

Mourinho wrote: »

Just what I was thinking too even if a boat gets caught they will know their probably going to be let in anyway and with all the patrols even dodgy boats getting into trouble will be rescued.

Honestly the only logical first step is find where these boats are launching destroy them in dock.

That probably won't work. We should do what Australia did: Tell them "illegal immigrants won't be getting in", set up a camp outside of Europe to deal with applications that they want to lodge, and if people do still try to cross the waters illegally, detain them, tow their boat out to international waters just outside the country they left from with only enough fuel to get back to that country.

IrishTrajan · 13-05-2015 3:01pm

Rhys Essien wrote: »

Ah come on,thats like something Nigel Farage would say.A lot of them do speak english and you have to admit that Connacht is very under populated.Culture you say,now where did I hear people on about 'Our Culture' before.

Very few of them would speak English, and a lot of them would be used to Islamic rule of law. Assimilation would prove incredibly difficult, especially if you're putting them in their own dominated-areas with few natives (example: Malmo in Sweden).

The only idea would be if you intend to try and split them up and spread them around the country, in which case Connacht won't be getting repopulated any time soon

Hans Bricks · 13-05-2015 3:03pm

I can't believe how quickly in which the discussion has descended into culturally cleansing the province Connacht.

Mourinho · 13-05-2015 3:04pm

IrishTrajan wrote: »

That probably won't work. We should do what Australia did: Tell them "illegal immigrants won't be getting in", set up a camp outside of Europe to deal with applications that they want to lodge, and if people do still try to cross the waters illegally, detain them, tow their boat out to international waters just outside the country they left from with only enough fuel to get back to that country.

Interesting idea and a good one at that.

MathDebater · 13-05-2015 3:04pm

Rhys Essien wrote: »

Ah come on,thats like something Nigel Farage would say.A lot of them do speak english and you have to admit that Connacht is very under populated.Culture you say,now where did I hear people on about 'Our Culture' before.

'Something Nigel Farage would say'. Yeah, after he's finished dining on new born puppies. Being skeptical of unskilled immigration from outside of the EU is a perfectly rational point of view to hold. EU migration - fine. We signed up to the EU and all that entails. Non skilled non EU migration - not so fine. We have opt outs here and should use them.

wakka12 · 13-05-2015 3:09pm

Rhys Essien wrote: »

Ah come on,thats like something Nigel Farage would say.A lot of them do speak english and you have to admit that Connacht is very under populated.Culture you say,now where did I hear people on about 'Our Culture' before.

Well you can be PC as you like but connacht will be a very different place if most the people there are north african.
And they're refugees not just normal immigrants. They'll literally be put in a rural area with tonnes of elderly irish people and no jobs and nothing to do. Sounds like a perfect society, won't become a crime filled hell hole within a week

jimgoose · 13-05-2015 3:13pm

As the health service continues to disappear over a cliff and an entire underclass of young folk emerges condemned to a pit of unemployment and poverty, I think this is the perfect time to import thousands of pissed-off North Africans and settle them all over the country. You never know, we might be able to start a Renault factory. :pac:

cros13 · 13-05-2015 3:14pm

Hans Bricks wrote: »

I can't believe how quickly in which the discussion has descended into culturally cleansing the province Connacht.

You must be new here. Welcome!

IrishTrajan · 13-05-2015 3:27pm

jimgoose wrote: »

As the health service continues to disappear over a cliff and an entire underclass of young folk emerges condemned to a pit of unemployment and poverty, I think this is the perfect time to import thousands of pissed-off North Africans and settle them all over the country. You never know, we might be able to start a Renault factory. :pac:

Don't be so cynical. They might have a couple witch doctors that could help us out. It'd just be like booking a visit to your GP.

dont bother · 13-05-2015 3:31pm

IrishTrajan wrote: »

Don't be so cynical. They might have a couple witch doctors that could help us out. It'd just be like booking a visit to your GP.

yeah and they'd be hunting and killing our ginger folk for medicine, mistaking them for albinos.

IrishTrajan · 13-05-2015 3:33pm

dont bother wrote: »

yeah and they'd be hunting and killing our ginger folk for medicine, mistaking them for albinos.

Two birds with one stone, mate.

Outkast_IRE · 13-05-2015 4:39pm

Yamanoto wrote: »

How so?

Their presence and meddling in the middle east over the past 20 years has caused what were once stable enough nations to descend into anarchy. A lot of these migrants are from war torn areas that used to be stable enough.

Grandpa Hassan · 13-05-2015 4:57pm

Outkast_IRE wrote: »

Their presence and meddling in the middle east over the past 20 years has caused what were once stable enough nations to descend into anarchy. A lot of these migrants are from war torn areas that used to be stable enough.

Most are not. They are economic migrants from Eritrea etc rather than asylum seekers from Syria and Libya and the Middle East

wakka12 · 13-05-2015 5:07pm

Outkast_IRE wrote: »

Their presence and meddling in the middle east over the past 20 years has caused what were once stable enough nations to descend into anarchy. A lot of these migrants are from war torn areas that used to be stable enough.

Most war refugees go to neighbouring countries who aren't at war, syrians go to turkey etc. Why do war refugees need to travel thousands of miles to western europe?

Outkast_IRE · 13-05-2015 5:08pm

Grandpa Hassan wrote: »

Most are not. They are economic migrants from Eritrea etc rather than asylum seekers from Syria and Libya and the Middle East

Hasnt the instability in libya given these people smugglers free reign to operate there ?

If Gadaffi was still in power do you think this could happen as easily ?

Also according to this Syrians and Afghans are making up a good amount of the numbers

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_2015_Mediterranean_Sea_migrant_shipwrecks

Outkast_IRE · 13-05-2015 5:11pm

wakka12 wrote: »

Most war refugees go to neighbouring countries who aren't at war, syrians go to turkey etc. Why do war refugees need to travel thousands of miles to western europe?

Most, not all . It is still resulting in an influx into europe.

wallywhittle · 13-05-2015 5:11pm

Maybe we should relocate them to some god forsaken island off the west coast.

IrishTrajan · 13-05-2015 5:18pm

Outkast_IRE wrote: »

Their presence and meddling in the middle east over the past 20 years has caused what were once stable enough nations to descend into anarchy. A lot of these migrants are from war torn areas that used to be stable enough.

Can we stop with this myth? The Middle East was never "stable". It is and was an unstable region based on tribal politics and sectarian violence. If you call Saddam's rule "stable" you're making a mockery of the million and a half or so who died during his rule and removal.

If these people were asylum seekers, they'd have stopped in southern Italy or southern France once their lives were no longer in danger. Instead they travelled to Germany and Calais (in northern France, to get into Britain) for hopes of better prospects. In this instance, they're economic migrants and not asylum seekers fleeing for their lives.

Outkast_IRE · 13-05-2015 5:21pm

IrishTrajan wrote: »

Can we stop with this myth? The Middle East was never "stable". It is and was an unstable region based on tribal politics and sectarian violence. If you call Saddam's rule "stable" you're making a mockery of the million and a half or so who died during his rule and removal.

I would call it far more stable than what is there now. How many have died or been forced to flee since the USA intervened ?

IrishTrajan · 13-05-2015 5:26pm

Outkast_IRE wrote: »

I would call it far more stable than what is there now. How many have died or been forced to flee since the USA intervened ?

Died? About 165,000 in total in the Iraq war. Around 12,000 in Libya from 2011 to present. The US didn't invade Syria, so the blame for the rise of ISIL and other such groups falls much more squarely on the shoulders of Turkey, Pakistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States. Israel providing indirect support (there's reports of them striking Assad military positions, I believe) as well.

Even if you include those in the Syrian war (220,000) that's a total of around 400,000... Still significantly less than the destruction Saddam caused in his "stable" reign.

Del.Monte · 13-05-2015 5:29pm

I just heard the Migrants Rights spokesman interviewed on Today FM stumped when she was asked how many of these migrants we should take. That's the elephant in the room isn't it. There's millions on the African continent who would like to move to Europe but do we (excluding the loony left, pc brigade and big business tycoons) want them. I'm sure Ireland could accommodate at least 20 million souls from Africa, but where does that leave the existing population - in a reservation on the Blasket islands?

stevedublin · 13-05-2015 5:33pm

Lots of modern Oliver Cromwells in this thread

IrishTrajan · 13-05-2015 5:35pm

stevedublin wrote: »

Lots of modern Oliver Cromwells in this thread

Yes, that's exactly what we're advocating. We want to land an army in the Middle East, massacre hundreds of thousands, deport half a million to be slaves, and send the rest into a confined area. That is exactly the same as saying "we don't want so many people coming in".

Thank you, for your appraisal of the situation.

Gatling · 13-05-2015 5:40pm

Rather than rescue boats,send in helicopter gunships and and blockade the ports .
Use the gunships to destroy anything capable of carrying more than a handful of people before they are used by the traffickers .
And a proper navel blockade to prevent anything from getting out of shallow water .

We certainly can't take in 20,000 or 20,000 pa we already have a rental and housing crisis along with shortages in school places

Pumpkinseeds · 13-05-2015 5:42pm

I think these economic migrants need to be put on boats and sent back to where they came from. Forcing countries to take quotas of economic migrants will just make it more appealing to those thinking of trying to get to Europe and increase business for the people smugglers thus making the problem worse. The numbers are already too high. When we can accommodate all of our own citizens who require social housing, and eradicate the problem of homelessness then we can rethink the situation.

IrishTrajan · 13-05-2015 5:43pm

Gatling wrote: »

Rather than rescue boats,send in helicopter gunships and and blockade the ports .
Use the gunships to destroy anything capable of carrying more than a handful of people before they are used by the traffickers .
And a proper navel blockade to prevent anything from getting out of shallow water .

We certainly can't take in 20,000 or 20,000 pa we already have a rental and housing crisis along with shortages in school places

How Cromwellian of you.

BoJack Horseman · 13-05-2015 5:45pm

Ireland committing to taking in 7,000+ per annum (at current rates, which will rise now) is pretty short sighted.

Gatling · 13-05-2015 5:46pm

IrishTrajan wrote: »

How Cromwellian of you.

It's the best and cheapest way to do it ,
The EU should not be demanding States take in thousands and in some cases hundreds of thousands of migrants .

Del.Monte · 13-05-2015 5:47pm

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Ireland committing to taking in 7,000+ per annum (at current rates, which will rise now) is pretty short sighted.

Where did you get that figure? I heard the figure of 272 being mentioned. Be that as it may, once they are in the EU at all they can move to Ireland so we could end up with the lot.

IrishTrajan · 13-05-2015 5:48pm

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Ireland committing to taking in 7,000+ per annum (at current rates, which will rise now) is pretty short sighted.

I believe Britain has rejected such ideas, and Finland has said the EU can't force anything and they might reject it also.

If people really want us to contribute more to humanitarianism, they should pay the water charges, let the Government get its books balanced so it can increase spending on Foreign Aid.

My name is URL · 13-05-2015 5:48pm

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Ireland committing to taking in 7,000+ per annum (at current rates, which will rise now) is pretty short sighted.

Nothing has been committed to yet

Though we shouldn't shirk away from the responsibility either. It's not right to just say 'let the others deal with it'.

Ireland was and is happy enough to take all it can from the EU. We should share the burdens as well.

IrishTrajan · 13-05-2015 5:48pm

Del.Monte wrote: »

Where did you get that figure? I heard the figure of 272 being mentioned. Be that as it may, once they are in the EU at all they can move to Ireland so we could end up with the lot.

272 per 20,000, not 272 in total.

Infini · 13-05-2015 5:49pm

Realistically the only way this is gonna be stopped is at the source and while people may or may not agree the only way to do it would be to occupy Libya itself since the whole place is falling apart until such a time as things are sorted out and stabilised. Last thing anyone needs is another Somalia/Afghanistan/Derkaderkastan on Europe's doorstep. Even arguing about the whole its the UKs fault etc is pointless now since the problem is there and it needs to be sorted preferrably with a UN peacekeeping force.

BoJack Horseman · 13-05-2015 5:51pm

Del.Monte wrote: »

Where did you get that figure? I heard the figure of 272 being mentioned. Be that as it may, once they are in the EU at all they can move to Ireland so we could end up with the lot.

272 per 20,000 with 10,000 (and rising) arriving each into Italy each week.

Ireland to assist in migrant crisis in the Med.

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