After SSM, what next?

smash · 06-05-2015 2:47pm

kylith wrote: »

As a single woman in her 30s I would actually welcome this proposal.

30 shelf :pac:

Maximus Alexander · 06-05-2015 2:47pm

keano_afc wrote: »

It'll be like Marge's Chanel dress in the Simpsons. Mangled and redesigned, but lets still call it the same thing.

Sounds like you could use a hug.

keano_afc · 06-05-2015 2:51pm

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Sounds like you could use a hug.

I'd prefer a coffee. You buying?

padd b1975 · 06-05-2015 2:51pm

A United Ireland referendum would be "interesting".

wp_rathead · 06-05-2015 2:52pm

Do improvements regards Irelands Divorce Laws and Fathers Rights need a referendum? Or can legislation be introduce through the Dail? Not sure any ammendments are needed to constitution to implement these - could be mistaken

seamus · 06-05-2015 2:52pm

kylith wrote: »

I think it's there to discourage you from divorcing as a sop to the religious, isn't it? A kind of cooling-off period so people don't run out getting married and divorced willy-nilly. 4 years of "Are you sure you want to get divorced? Are ya? Are ya really?"

It's a product of its time. At the time Ireland would still have considered itself pretty religious. And the constitution contained an absolute ban on divorce. Which is retarded in itself of course.
A complete removal of this ban on divorce was off the cards of course. You would have a lot of men and women utterly terrified that if the ban was removed, their spouse would up and leave them the next day and be gone. Which is not an unreasonable fear when you know your marriage is dead but your spouse can't leave.
And the "think of the children" brigade of course screaming about the millions of children who would be left destitute and homeless when their fathers threw them and their mothers out.

So instead they went for a halfway house - divorce could be legalised, but within very strict guidelines. And it passed. Containing such hard rules in a constitution was idiotic in itself, but in reality it was the only way the ban on divorce could be lifted.

The next step would likely be the removal of the wait period and allow for this to be reduced or increased by law. With no "backlog" of unhappy marriages waiting to break up, there's not really any good argument for lifting these constitutional restrictions and moving them into the law instead.

jimdublin15 · 06-05-2015 2:52pm

seamus wrote: »

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So does the wait period actually have any bearing on peoples' decision to marry? It would be interesting to get some recent divorce stats and find out what the typical length of a marriage is before breaking up.

I don't know if a longer or shorter wait time does make a difference.
However just me thinking out loud I simply hate the idea for forcing someone to stay legally married by the state for 4 years (It's not the state getting married or divorced) against their wishes when the wait to get married is only a few months. Particularly in cases when the reason for the breakdown is abuse and stuff like that.

seamus wrote: »

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I imagine the "this is a serious matter" thing actually kicks in at the start where you require 3 months notice to get married and can't just decide on a whim to have it done the next day.

Maybe it should be turned around and make it a longer wait to get married instead.

kylith · 06-05-2015 2:52pm

smash wrote: »

30 shelf :pac:

I like it up here on my shelf. There's a good view

Sleepy · 06-05-2015 2:55pm

All of the following please:

Abortion.
Reduction of the 4 years rule on Divorce.
Removal of the Blasphemy law.
Removal of any references to God from the preamble to the constitution (perhaps to be replaced with a line about us being a secular state? Could lead to finally ridding our education system of the scourge of religion)
Replacing the clause about a womans place in the home with one stating that no laws may make any distinction as to gender (leading to equal rights for fathers regardless of marital status, making rape by a woman a crime etc.)
Removal of Irish as an official language

Non constitutional changes which I think should be put to the populace as I think they'd likely pass a popular vote:

Protection of the terms engineer, institute etc.
Legalisation of prostitution.
Legalisation of marijuana.
Removal of religion from the Curriculum
Removal of Irish as a compulsory Leaving Cert subject

diomed · 06-05-2015 2:57pm

Use of a mobile phone in a car will cause the car to collapse like a clown car.

mikom · 06-05-2015 3:06pm

Sleepy wrote: »

All of the following please:

Abortion.
Reduction of the 4 years rule on Divorce.
Removal of the Blasphemy law.
Removal of any references to God from the preamble to the constitution (perhaps to be replaced with a line about us being a secular state? Could lead to finally ridding our education system of the scourge of religion)
Replacing the clause about a womans place in the home with one stating that no laws may make any distinction as to gender (leading to equal rights for fathers regardless of marital status, making rape by a woman a crime etc.)
Removal of Irish as an official language

Non constitutional changes which I think should be put to the populace as I think they'd likely pass a popular vote:

Protection of the terms engineer, institute etc.
Legalisation of prostitution.
Legalisation of marijuana.
Removal of religion from the Curriculum
Removal of Irish as a compulsory Leaving Cert subject

Marijuana as a compulsory Leaving Cert subject.

spurious · 06-05-2015 3:07pm

Fathers' rights - and long overdue.

iDave · 06-05-2015 3:07pm

padd b1975 wrote: »

A United Ireland referendum would be "interesting".

No it would be tedious with every extremist scrote having their say.

hatrickpatrick · 06-05-2015 3:10pm

Fathers' rights and mens' rights in general in Ireland. Do away with gender-specific rape and statutory rape laws, get rid of this "living with the mother for one year" bollocks for fathers so they get automatic joint rights and responsibilities as soon as the baby is born, etc.

Maximus Alexander · 06-05-2015 3:11pm

padd b1975 wrote: »

A United Ireland referendum would be "interesting".

Pointless imo. Months of having to listen to the media talk endlessly about nothing else, and then it would be rejected.

Irishcrx · 06-05-2015 3:11pm

Honestly , a reform in law for the rights of single fathers is long long overdue. In fact (And I'm no trying to downshift the upcoming one) but this is more important, there has been a lot of talk of couples rights, gay couples rights involving children throughout this , what about the rights of good honest biological fathers, they have very little in Ireland..

smash · 06-05-2015 3:12pm

iDave wrote: »

No it would be tedious with every extremist scrote having their say.

But if you tell them that their dole would be cut because we'll have to pay for dole up north too then they'll soon pipe down.

Maximus Alexander · 06-05-2015 3:13pm

Irishcrx wrote: »

Honestly , a reform in law for the rights of single fathers is long long overdue. In fact (And I'm no trying to downshift the upcoming one) but this is more important, there has been a lot of talk of couples rights, gay couples rights involving children throughout this , what about the rights of good honest biological fathers, they have very little in Ireland..

On the bright side, if SSM referendum passes it could well have a positive impact on father's rights in the medium term.

simonw · 06-05-2015 3:15pm

silverfeather wrote: »

Abortion is something I would like to see tackled. It will be a blood bath.

Poor choice of words?

MRnotlob606 · 06-05-2015 3:16pm

Dogs have extramarital affairs with cats

silverfeather · 06-05-2015 3:20pm

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

Dogs have extramarital affairs with cats

This happened in my family. Our dog had a very special relationship with our cat before our cat passed.

fleet_admiral · 06-05-2015 3:21pm

silverfeather wrote: »

This happened in my family. Our dog had a very special relationship with our cat before our cat passed.

Died from exhaustion?:D

circadian · 06-05-2015 3:36pm

BFM

Bronies Furries Marraige.

dub_skav · 06-05-2015 3:37pm

SSH?

smash · 06-05-2015 3:38pm

circadian wrote: »

BFM

Bronies Furries Marraige.

Stop it... this isn't /b

Pumpkinseeds · 06-05-2015 4:09pm

Rhys Essien wrote: »

Religion and religious cermonies(communions and confirmations)having involvement with schools needs to be done away with.

+1. I was on a bus this morning and saw a class of kids from a nearby primary school walking to the church carrying chairs, must be a rehearsal for Communion this weekend. Absolutely fricking ridiculous stuff.

hatrickpatrick · 06-05-2015 4:09pm

smash wrote: »

Stop it... this isn't /b

Rules one and two, eejit.

c_man · 06-05-2015 4:10pm

We need a referendum on an article to allow unrestricted gun access like the US's 2nd amendment.

We then need a follow on one to allow a person to marry a gun.

LizT · 06-05-2015 4:11pm

Would love to see some realistic legislation regarding abortion but can't see it happening anytime soon.

Pumpkinseeds · 06-05-2015 4:14pm

As much as I'd like to see future referendums tackle important issues such as Abortion and Divorce, I think it'll be the more pointless crap like giving teenagers the right to vote. I will be voting yes for marriage equality but I think it's a real shame that the other question is about the age of presidential candidates.

Most of us don't give a monkeys about the minimum age for presidential candidates and I'd be concerned that a lot of people who would vote yes for marriage equality won't actually vote if it isn't something that affects them directly and that the no campaign will swing it in their favour as a result of voter apathy.

osarusan · 06-05-2015 4:22pm

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

I think it'll be the more pointless crap like giving teenagers the right to vote.

since 1973, they already have, from 18!?

Do you mean to lower it to below 18?

Fat Christy · 06-05-2015 4:32pm

Equal rights for unmarried fathers regarding their children.

gandalf · 06-05-2015 4:33pm

Get Iona Institutes charitable status revoked!

CFlat · 06-05-2015 4:40pm

walkingshadow wrote: »

If the referendum is passed, on May 23, everyone in Ireland will go gay and engage in a reckless orgy of homosexual indulgence.

You'll be the only straight in the village.

Sleepy · 06-05-2015 4:46pm

gandalf wrote: »

Get Iona Institutes charitable status revoked!

I don't think that requires a referendum? Or is tax-free bigotry a constitutional right?

Pumpkinseeds · 06-05-2015 5:12pm

osarusan wrote: »

since 1973, they already have, from 18!?

Do you mean to lower it to below 18?

Yep, I don't think 16 year olds should have the vote, simple as that. I know a lot of others would disagree with me but that's how I feel about it. I can't see the logic in saying that someone of 16 is too young/immature to legally purchase alcohol but is mature enough to have a say in how the country is run. At that age they're too easily influenced. But that's a whole other thread.

gravehold · 06-05-2015 5:13pm

Levra wrote: »

Siblings should be legally allowed to marry, if two people love each other why should they be prevented from marrying.

It used to be beause of genetic birth defects, but I guess that's not an issue for two brothers there is no actual logical reason why two bothers or two sisters can't get together

DareGod · 06-05-2015 5:13pm

seamus wrote: »

Assisted suicide.

Ditto.

Assisted suicide 100%.

eviltwin · 06-05-2015 5:16pm

Abortion, assisted suicide, rights for unmarried father's, legalisation of cannabis

Mr. CooL ICE · 06-05-2015 5:25pm

Forced euthanasia on text speak users, serial selfie takers and drivers who don't take those reindeer antlers and noses off their goddamn cars. It's May, ffs

strobe · 06-05-2015 5:31pm

Remove any reference to a specific gender from the constitution, and enshrine in it that no law may be passed that references a specific gender. In one big sweep removing any present, and heading off any future sex (and quite a lot of sexuality) based legal/state discrimination.

circadian · 06-05-2015 5:38pm

c_man wrote: »

We need a referendum on an article to allow unrestricted gun access like the US's 2nd amendment.

We then need a follow on one to allow a person to marry a gun.

Sledgehammer!

circadian · 06-05-2015 5:41pm

strobe wrote: »

Remove any reference to a specific gender from the constitution, and enshrine in it that no law may be passed that references a specific gender. In one big sweep removing any present, and heading off any future sex (and quite a lot of sexuality) based legal/state discrimination.

This makes a lot of sense. I'd love to see how the current crop of status-qouers would react to such a wide sweeping change.

MadYaker · 07-05-2015 11:28am

Legalise murder.

galljga1 · 07-05-2015 11:31am

MadYaker wrote: »

Legalise murder.

Yeah, maybe for one day per year....might be a good idea for a movie.....

Hermy · 07-05-2015 11:55am

strobe wrote: »

Remove any reference to a specific gender from the constitution, and enshrine in it that no law may be passed that references a specific gender. In one big sweep removing any present, and heading off any future sex (and quite a lot of sexuality) based legal/state discrimination.

I'd also like to see any reference to a god removed from the constitution.

Carawaystick · 07-05-2015 12:10pm

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

The last treaty was conveniently self amending (to an extent).

Another EU referendum probably won't be needed for a while, until when/if enlargement occurs again for the former Yugoslav countries.

You know Slovenia and Croatia are in the EU?

super_furry · 07-05-2015 12:12pm

The SSB referendum. It'll be a vote on whether to add Super Smash Brothers to the leaving cert.

iDave · 07-05-2015 12:44pm

I'd like to see a push for a formal seperation of church and state. No reference to God in the constitution and no prayers at government business. A completely neutral state that accepts diversity but doesn't participate.

razorblunt · 07-05-2015 1:16pm

Tayto Crisps and Barry's Tea to be the definitive Nations favourite.

Watch those vicious King and Lyons "No" campaigners come out from under their rocks.

After SSM, what next?

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