Hearthstone Tournament not allowing women to enter.

Lou.m · 03-07-2014 12:58am #1

http://www.pcgamer.com/uk/2014/07/02/hearthstone-tournament/

"Your information is indeed correct, the tournament is open to Finnish male players only," said Markus "Olodyn" Koskivirta, head admin of the Assembly Summer 2014 Hearthstone IeSF Qualifier, in a statement to PC Gamer. "In accordance with the International e-Sports Federation's (IeSF) tournament regulations, since the main tournament event is open to male players only. This is to avoid possible conflicts (e.g. a female player eliminating a male player during RO8) among other things."

This bull****.

Male Competition: Dota 2, Starcraft 2, Hearthstone, Ultra Street Fighter IV
Female Competition: Starcraft 2, Tekken Tag Tournament 2

It's an absurd division. Seemingly it tells us that Ultra Street Fighter IV is for boys, and Tekken Tag Tournament is for girls; that women aren't meant to play Dota 2 or Hearthstone; and that while both men and women can play Starcraft 2, they damn well better not do it together.

Genuinely like WTF???

Their reasoning

The decision to divide male and female competitions was made in accordance with international sports authorities, as part of our effort to promote e-Sports as a legitimate sports."

What like make legitimate bullcrap?

To point one, there isn't a Hearthstone competition for women, who are only allowed to enter StarCraft 2 and Tekken Tag Tournament contests, and segregation has historically proven to be a pretty poor basis for the promotion of equality.

Like I said ...this is such Bull****!

House of Blaze · 03-07-2014 1:00am

Leave 'em on sure.

Pro gamers seem like a pack of dicks anyway.

Mr. Incognito · 03-07-2014 1:03am

They want it to be a sport.

To be an acceptable sport the optics dictate that it has to be segregated.

Women and men are not physically equal so physical sports are segregated.

However, video games are not a sport so......

Yeah. Pretty stupid.

Ditch · 03-07-2014 1:04am

Enter. Win. Then show them ye tits!

shopaholic01 · 03-07-2014 1:05am

A video game ....... I'm devastated. :cool:

thelad95 · 03-07-2014 1:05am

Ring Joe Duffy about it.

Seaneh · 03-07-2014 1:05am

Women are generally pretty bad at games, makes sense to not have then lowering the overall standards of the male competitions if you ask me.

For every 1 woman who can rocket jump in quake there are several hundred million who can't even change weapons.

There, I said it.

And of all the things to get upset about, this is easily one of the most trivial I have ever seen.

For Forks Sake · 03-07-2014 1:07am

NERRRDSS

shopaholic01 · 03-07-2014 1:09am

Seaneh wrote: »

Women are generally pretty bad at games, makes sense to not have then lowering the overall standards of the male competitions if you ask me.

For every 1 woman who can rocket jump in quake there are several hundred million who can't even change weapons.

There, I said it.

And of all the things to get upset about, this is easily one of the most trivial I have ever seen.

I don't even know what that means. :pac:

Lou.m · 03-07-2014 1:27am

Seaneh wrote: »

Women are generally pretty bad at games, makes sense to not have then lowering the overall standards of the male competitions if you ask me.

For every 1 woman who can rocket jump in quake there are several hundred million who can't even change weapons.

There, I said it.

And of all the things to get upset about, this is easily one of the most trivial I have ever seen.

You have just admitted you're sexist. Well done ...slow clap.

Shanotheslayer · 03-07-2014 1:30am

Lol @ the Quake reference. Ridiculous if you ask me, I used to play WoW pretty seriously and came across some unbelievably good female players.

03-07-2014 1:35am

shopaholic01 wrote: »

I don't even know what that means. :pac:

You think that's bad? I dint know what most of the words in the OP mean!

Shouldn't be segregation though. Its all about dexterity not physical strength.

Spunge · 03-07-2014 1:39am

http://www.businessinsider.com/highest-paid-professional-female-video-gamers-2014-6?op=1

Seems pretty discriminatory to automatically exclude them.

goz83 · 03-07-2014 1:47am

Hmmmm. Always the same crap. And i just watched a car insurance ad for women, filled with pure BS. Katie Taylor was in it, with her Gold Medal on display.

Seaneh · 03-07-2014 1:48am

Lou.m wrote: »

You have just admitted you're sexist. Well done ...slow clap.

And you've just exposed that you can't spot sarcasm.

Well done... Slow clap.

Again, of all the things to act offended and upset about, this is just about the most trivial I have ever seen.

p.s. women really are **** at quake.

JonEBGud · 03-07-2014 1:50am

Why can't the women organise their own competition and exclude male entrants?
Problem solved. . .:P

Manach · 03-07-2014 1:57am

The liberal PC crowd are upset, yet again, when some group decides to organise an event that does not confirm to their standards. This is hardly a surprise - people can and do act in ways that are not in accordance to whatever the group-think de jour is.

Shanotheslayer · 03-07-2014 1:58am

Seaneh wrote: »

And you've just exposed that you can't spot sarcasm.

Well done... Slow clap.

Again, of all the things to act offended and upset about, this is just about the most trivial I have ever seen.

p.s. women really are **** at quake.

Maybe the OP wanted to play in the tournament? Not really trivial

Micky Dolenz · 03-07-2014 2:03am

Seaneh wrote: »

And you've just exposed that you can't spot sarcasm.

Well done... Slow clap.

Again, of all the things to act offended and upset about, this is just about the most trivial I have ever seen.

p.s. women really are **** at quake.

Mod

Really is the lowest form of wit.

Generalising demeans us all. Please don't do it again.

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller · 03-07-2014 2:05am

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Shouldn't be segregation though. Its all about dexterity not physical strength.

I would agree, but..

You have to have segregation in some 'dexterity' sports, otherwise women would just get dominated by the men and you would never even know they existed as they would rarely if ever reach the qualifying stages. Sports such as Darts, Snooker etc.

That is not to say that I think women should be barred from entering Men's Snooker Tournaments if they are good enough. Alison Fisher, if I recall correctly, did just that in the UK when she played in the Men's Snooker championship once or twice and even entered the Men's rankings at one stage as a result.

Smidge · 03-07-2014 2:08am

I don't get this.
If women are so bad at this, then why not let them into the competition. If they are rubbish they'll be knocked out in no time and you will have had a warm up playing them!
Or else it comes across as some people not wanting to be beaten by a girl

shopaholic01 · 03-07-2014 2:21am

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

You think that's bad? I dint know what most of the words in the OP mean!

It's like tip the can all over again!

:pac:

astrofool · 03-07-2014 3:36am

If they want it to be a sport, then it's unfortunately necessary, all sports are segregated, unless it's specifically a "mixed" sport, e.g. mixed doubles in tennis. If they can get it accepted as a sport at all, then they can also add mixed categories.

Canis Lupus · 03-07-2014 4:34am

Got my ass handed to be numerous times by women online in DoD and CS. Girl I work with is highly rated in the rankings in CoD.

The entire thing needs to be bring more women in not looks for ways to exclude and alienate them.

mrkiscool2 · 03-07-2014 4:43am

Video games are NOT a sport. By definition "Sport is an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment". You are not physically exerting yourself playing video games.

I'm an avid gamer and love the fact that physical limitations don't stop me playing with other people-of both genders. It is only about how skilled you are and there are some AMAZING female gamers out there. This also just lends credibility to Anita Sarkeesians's claim that video games are "A massive boy's club". They are not. Surely, as video gaming cannot be a sport this is inherently sexist? And should be stopped?

Canis Lupus · 03-07-2014 4:47am

mrkiscool2 wrote: »

Video games are NOT a sport. By definition "Sport is an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment". You are not physically exerting yourself playing video games.

I'm an avid gamer and love the fact that physical limitations don't stop me playing with other people-of both genders. It is only about how skilled you are and there are some AMAZING female gamers out there. This also just lends credibility to Anita Sarkeesians's claim that video games are "A massive boy's club". They are not. Surely, as video gaming cannot be a sport this is inherently sexist? And should be stopped?

What do you define stuff like golf, darts, bowling or even chess? Is sport only sport if a certain level of exertion is required? If there was a competition created for Wii Boxing would that be sport?

BeerWolf · 03-07-2014 9:08am

Can understand gender separation when it comes to PHYSICAL sports, to have that separation for computer games that isn't so "physical", other than fast response times, is just beyond absurd and is nothing more than pure sexism...

BeerWolf · 03-07-2014 9:12am

Seaneh wrote: »

p.s. women really are **** at quake.

Quake is bloody ancient, this isn't the 90s... gender difference of gamers today is roughly equal now because gaming has become so mainstream... and as such I've come across both of equal skill level.

shruikan2553 · 03-07-2014 9:15am

mrkiscool2 wrote: »

Video games are NOT a sport. By definition "Sport is an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment". You are not physically exerting yourself playing video games.

I'm an avid gamer and love the fact that physical limitations don't stop me playing with other people-of both genders. It is only about how skilled you are and there are some AMAZING female gamers out there. This also just lends credibility to Anita Sarkeesians's claim that video games are "A massive boy's club". They are not. Surely, as video gaming cannot be a sport this is inherently sexist? And should be stopped?

The RTS players train in speed. Moving at speed is physical. Chess and golf are sports!

Isn't sarkeesians the woman who looks at games that are 20 years old and tries to make any possible act against a woman as sexist? Ignoring that the same action can be done towards men.

03-07-2014 9:17am

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Lol @ the Quake reference. Ridiculous if you ask me, I used to play WoW pretty seriously and came across some unbelievably good female players.

Takes a lot of allies to bring down a holy priest in pvp :pac::D

shruikan2553 · 03-07-2014 9:18am

bluewolf wrote: »

Takes a lot of allies to bring down a holy priest in pvp :pac::D

Or 1 death knight...

BeerWolf · 03-07-2014 9:20am

shruikan2553 wrote: »

The RTS players train in speed. Moving at speed is physical. Chess and golf are sports!

Old Video, but pretty much what RTS players do - insane.

I'm a Gamer, but I can't even do that...

Links234 · 03-07-2014 9:20am

Manach wrote: »

The liberal PC crowd

What about the liberal console crowd?

Fr_Dougal · 03-07-2014 9:21am

Lou.m wrote: »

To point one, there isn't a Hearthstone competition for women, who are only allowed to enter StarCraft 2 and Tekken Tag Tournament contests, and segregation has historically proven to be a pretty poor basis for the promotion of equality.

Like I said ...this is such Bull****!

Why don't you start your own tournament? Surely if women aren't allowed in this one there'll be a huge market for yours.

03-07-2014 9:22am

shruikan2553 wrote: »

Or 1 death knight...

I remember DKs but I think I had mostly stopped by then!

kylith · 03-07-2014 9:26am

This is to avoid possible conflicts (e.g. a female player eliminating a male player during RO8)

Makes it sound like they don't want to let women play in case they win!

Davarus Walrus · 03-07-2014 10:19am

Whole story is preposterous. What's really funny though is the idea that a shower of dweebs see mashing a pad or casting their spell of invincibility as being a sport. It's a hobby.

BeerWolf · 03-07-2014 10:23am

Davarus Walrus wrote: »

Whole story is preposterous. What's really funny though is the idea that a shower of dweebs see mashing a pad or casting their spell of invincibility as being a sport. It's a hobby.

Aye, find the whole labeling it an [e]"Sport" rather laughable - but the term's been around for almost a decade and a half now.

Shanotheslayer · 03-07-2014 10:24am

Davarus Walrus wrote: »

Whole story is preposterous. What's really funny though is the idea that a shower of dweebs see mashing a pad or casting their spell of invincibility as being a sport. It's a hobby.

Ok, I'll bite. What's really funny is looking at a group of fat men throwing a dart at a board and thinking it's a sport.... It can be said for anything. Ridiculous

Lyaiera · 03-07-2014 10:36am

Victory for internet campaigns and not being a turd.

http://ie-sf.com/bbs/board.php?bo_table=iesf_notice&wr_id=105

As a result, IeSF shall have two event categories: “Open for All” events and events that are reserved for women. The events which were initially set aside as the male division will now be open to all genders, and the events which were initially set as the female division will remain as they were.

Celly Smunt · 03-07-2014 10:37am

Lou.m wrote: »

You have just admitted you're sexist. Well done ...slow clap.

Yeah but, can you rocket jump in quake?

Lyaiera · 03-07-2014 10:39am

Celly Smunt wrote: »

Yeah but, can you rocket jump in quake?

I'm transgender, when I started taking oestrogen I just couldn't rocket jump any more. I just kept looking at my avatar's shoes and would sigh a lament of "Why can't I be wearing heels?" Then I was kicked from my Unreal Tournament clan for hanging curtains in the club house.

Grayson · 03-07-2014 10:41am

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Lol @ the Quake reference. Ridiculous if you ask me, I used to play WoW pretty seriously and came across some unbelievably good female players.

I'm just going to say this once

WORLD OF WARCRAFT IS NOT A COMPUTER GAME. NEITHER IS THE SIMS.

Play a real FPS or RTS if you want to call yourself a gamer. Not some dumbass mmo.

shruikan2553 · 03-07-2014 10:48am

Grayson wrote: »

I'm just going to say this once

WORLD OF WARCRAFT IS NOT A COMPUTER GAME. NEITHER IS THE SIMS.

Play a real FPS or RTS if you want to call yourself a gamer. Not some dumbass mmo.

Yeah. Halo is a real game not call of Duty. Lol. Add me Xxl33tsnip3rxX

tritium · 03-07-2014 10:49am

Lyaiera wrote: »

Victory for internet campaigns and not being a turd.

http://ie-sf.com/bbs/board.php?bo_table=iesf_notice&wr_id=105

Quote:
As a result, IeSF shall have two event categories: “Open for All” events and events that are reserved for women. The events which were initially set aside as the male division will now be open to all genders, and the events which were initially set as the female division will remain as they were.

Did I miss something obvious here? I'm pretty sure this is still sexist. How is solving 50% of the problem a victory exactly?

Shanotheslayer · 03-07-2014 10:51am

Grayson wrote: »

I'm just going to say this once

WORLD OF WARCRAFT IS NOT A COMPUTER GAME. NEITHER IS THE SIMS.

Play a real FPS or RTS if you want to call yourself a gamer. Not some dumbass mmo.

LOL. Yeh I played them to mate, played battlefield very competitively to and was in the top 10 of greatest players in BF:V. Warcraft not a computer game... Christ...

Lyaiera · 03-07-2014 10:53am

Links234 wrote: »

What about the liberal console crowd?

PC Master Race checking in.

Agricola · 03-07-2014 10:54am

In fairness lads, did ya ever see a girl try to navigate an fps with two analog controller sticks. Sight to behold.

Make us a sandwich wench, tournaments are the province of men..........

:D

Lyaiera · 03-07-2014 10:54am

tritium wrote: »

Did I miss something obvious here? I'm pretty sure this is still sexist. How is solving 50% of the problem a victory exactly?

"If white people are so privileged why is there a Black Entertainment Network and no White Entertainment Network?"
"Men don’t have privilege, there are women’s only gyms!"
"Why isn’t there a campus centre for straight/cis people!?"
SAME REASONS WHY IN MARIO KART YOU DON’T GET BLUE SHELLS OR LIGHTNING BOLTS WHEN YOU’RE ALREADY IN FIRST PLACE, ASSBAG.

Source: http://procrasti-nation.eu/wp-content/uploads/mariokart.jpg

tritium · 03-07-2014 11:01am

Lyaiera wrote: »

Source: http://procrasti-nation.eu/wp-content/uploads/mariokart.jpg

Oh right, its because they solved the 50% of the problem you give a sh1t about and you're fine with having your little women only segment. Did you ever consider its also sexist to women to having a women only category since it implies they need a special area just for themselves for some reason?

Should I go and check my privelige now......

VinLieger · 03-07-2014 11:04am

Lyaiera wrote: »

Source: http://procrasti-nation.eu/wp-content/uploads/mariokart.jpg

So sexism by exclusion in the other direction is fine? Typical feminist blindness to every day misandry at work

Hearthstone Tournament not allowing women to enter.

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