Is it wrong to wear professional team gear..?

Lumen · 29-05-2012 5:35pm

allez wrote: »

haha i wear that exact combo on occasion. honestly i cant see why it would be frowned upon? people wear football and rugby jerseys all the time because they support the team or like the jersey etc... it doesn't make them plebeian. I think its pretty snobbish to consider them lesser because of their dress sense

Gentle piss taking of people who wear KOM jerseys and the like is nothing to do with snobbery. Certain cycling jerseys are like trophies, you have to earn them.

There is no equivalent in rugby or football.

Or maybe there is. What about if you had a replica FA cup in your living room with your name engraved on it?

Chips Lovell · 29-05-2012 5:41pm

Lumen wrote:

Or maybe there is. What about if you had a replica FA cup in your living room with your name engraved on it?

if you're John Terry, you might.

allez · 29-05-2012 5:49pm

so if i had a Chelsea jersey with a champions league 2012 winner badge on the sleeve then id be completing a faux pas? the same could be said for any pro jersey because you have to earn the right to wear them on the relevant stage. the supporters don't have to earn that same right to wear them because they are bits of merchandise aimed at promoting the sport. I suppose its the same as some lad in a Barbarian's jersey or a United jersey with Rooney on the back of it. They may not have selected for the Barbarians or are Wayne Rooney but its not wrong to wear them IMO. I bought my KOM jersey a few years ago because i really appreciated the climbers and what they did, it didn't mean i went up and down Slieve Maan thinking i was a former winner of the jersey and how i was entitled to instnat respect because i was wearing it haha Wearing pro or classification jerseys surely help promote the sport if anything.

*for the record i am not a Chelsea supporter.

Lusk Doyle · 29-05-2012 5:56pm

allez wrote: »

I bought my KOM jersey a few years ago because i really appreciated the climbers and what they did, it didn't mean i went up and down Slieve Maan thinking i was a former winner of the jersey and how i was entitled to instnat respect because i was wearing it haha

You must not be wearing it correctly so if you do not feel that way!

Lumen · 29-05-2012 6:07pm

allez wrote: »

so if i had a Chelsea jersey with a champions league 2012 winner badge on the sleeve then id be completing a faux pas?

Do professional footballers wear winners badges on their jerseys? I have no idea. Football is stupid.

DirkVoodoo · 29-05-2012 6:10pm

allez wrote: »

so if i had a Chelsea jersey with a champions league 2012 winner badge on the sleeve then id be completing a faux pas? the same could be said for any pro jersey because you have to earn the right to wear them on the relevant stage. the supporters don't have to earn that same right to wear them because they are bits of merchandise aimed at promoting the sport. I suppose its the same as some lad in a Barbarian's jersey or a United jersey with Rooney on the back of it. They may not have selected for the Barbarians or are Wayne Rooney but its not wrong to wear them IMO. I bought my KOM jersey a few years ago because i really appreciated the climbers and what they did, it didn't mean i went up and down Slieve Maan thinking i was a former winner of the jersey and how i was entitled to instnat respect because i was wearing it haha Wearing pro or classification jerseys surely help promote the sport if anything.

*for the record i am not a Chelsea supporter.

No, Rooney is paid to wear a United shirt. Much like he was paid to wear an Everton shirt and may some day be paid a lot more to wear a City shirt. I can pay to wear a Chelsea jersey because I'm showing my allegiance to a club and its supporters, you don't need to earn it.

You need to earn this though, through pain and suffering:

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Although maybe forking over a chunk of your signing-on fee to a greedy agent could be considered pain and suffering too?

Chips Lovell · 29-05-2012 6:16pm

allez wrote: »

the same could be said for any pro jersey because you have to earn the right to wear them on the relevant stage.

Actually there is a fair few people in the sport who'd see it that way. Personally I don't see the harm and consider it the equivalent of soccer fans wearing their team's shirt. But I would shy away from current pro team kit for those reasons (and the possibility of being slagged by Sean Kelly).

I'd draw the line at wearing a jersey that's a prize because it's a bit disrespectful.

allez · 29-05-2012 6:20pm

DirkVoodoo wrote: »

No, Rooney is paid to wear a United shirt. Much like he was paid to wear an Everton shirt and may some day be paid a lot more to wear a City shirt. I can pay to wear a Chelsea jersey because I'm showing my allegiance to a club and its supporters, you don't need to earn it.

You need to earn this though, through pain and suffering:

Although maybe forking over a chunk of your signing-on fee to a greedy agent could be considered pain and suffering too?

i reckon i could win this jersey with the being the case. when is the deadline to sign up for the tour? is the refreshment stops on the way like wicklow 200? Ive never rode a HC climb but im pretty sure the HC stands for happy camper so how hard can it be?

Diarmuid · 29-05-2012 6:29pm

Inquitus wrote: »

Buying Professional Team gear supports the sport, you "euro" **** can feel free to buy and wear your softened budgie pelt Rapha shíte

"euro ****" What's the opposite? Fred tossers?

awec · 29-05-2012 6:36pm

Lumen wrote: »

Do professional footballers wear winners badges on their jerseys? I have no idea. Football is stupid.

In the Premier League, the team that wins the league wears gold premier league badges on the arm of the shirt whereas it's white for all other clubs.

Lumen · 29-05-2012 6:39pm

Diarmuid wrote: »

"euro ****" What's the opposite? Fred tossers?

You can't toss a Fred. They're too heavy.

petethedrummer · 29-05-2012 6:44pm

Diarmuid wrote: »

"euro ****" What's the opposite? Fred tossers?

I know a Fred Tosser.

ROK ON · 29-05-2012 6:53pm

I love my Mapei kit. I have the full collection - socks, shorts, jersey, armwarmers and biretta.

I couldn't care less how ridiculous it looks - anyone who has seen me on a bike knows how ridiculous I look cycling anyway.

I also have Liberty Seguros, Reynolds Aluminium, Z.

I have a lovely Giro pink jersey that I have worn twice - both times I got three punctures and needed help to get home. I'm taking that as a message from the cycling gods. Don't wear it any longer (too big for me now).

I would draw the line at current pro team kit. Also I think wearing of boards gear is cringeworthy to be honest ( even though I like the design of it). Turbo training gear for me.

Inquitus · 29-05-2012 7:17pm

I have no problem with any kit, I wear club gear, pro-team gear from recent seasons, cheap stuff I get off adverts or from bargain alerts (last years sky bottoms and the water damaged planet X tops) and boards gear. I would draw the line at the yellow and rainbow jersey myself but if others want to wear it feel free.

Jawgap · 29-05-2012 7:51pm

Wearing kit that's suggesting you achieved something when in fact you didn't is probably the wrong side of the line......

for example

.....wearing a polka dot jersey when you didn't go win it - wrong

.....wearing team kit - ok (you might be a failed domestique

)

.....wearing a football jersey embroidered with the date of a match is wrong as they give these to people who play in the match

....wearing replica football jerseys - ok

....using replica Man Utd jersey to clean the car - definitely ok

.....wearing GAA jerseys to Coppers - compulsory, especially in the latter stages of the Championships:)

njburke · 29-05-2012 7:59pm

I hope that Lidl/Aldi don't have future plans to sponsor a professional cycling team,I'ld have to start cycling in the dark.

Interesting reading this thread, specially for a noob, I had to look up what a Fred is, still not sure as apparently the definition has changed. This euro cyclist mob is that a bit like DIR (Doing it Right) in scuba diving ?

I have a lightweight rain jacket with 'rugbytech' written accross the back, that'ld be right out, I presume.

Niall

Harrybelafonte · 29-05-2012 8:22pm

I'm probably being a little OTT, but wearing World Champ, yellow, green, pink, polka dot jerseys or any other jersey with similar conotations is disrespectful to what that jersey stands for, it's something that needs to be earned.

allez · 29-05-2012 8:24pm

njburke wrote: »

I hope that Lidl/Aldi don't have future plans to sponsor a professional cycling team,I'ld have to start cycling in the dark.

Interesting reading this thread, specially for a noob, I had to look up what a Fred is, still not sure as apparently the definition has changed. This euro cyclist mob is that a bit like DIR (Doing it Right) in scuba diving ?

I have a lightweight rain jacket with 'rugbytech' written accross the back, that'ld be right out, I presume.

Niall

Oh god that's crossing sports boundaries! Are you crazy? Rugby gear on a bike omg gimme a second to digest that :'(

Only messin hee hee

Ok I was gonna buy the giro jersey on the weekend. I can't now

someone point me in a nice jersey direction please

Harrybelafonte · 29-05-2012 8:29pm

allez wrote: »

Oh god that's crossing sports boundaries! Are you crazy? Rugby gear on a bike omg gimme a second to digest that

Only messin hee hee

Ok I was gonna buy the giro jersey on the weekend. I can't now someone point me in a nice jersey direction please

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http://www.prendas.co.uk/details.asp?typ=typ&fkid=2&ID=3123

allez · 29-05-2012 8:29pm

allez wrote: »

njburke wrote: »

I hope that Lidl/Aldi don't have future plans to sponsor a professional cycling team,I'ld have to start cycling in the dark.

Interesting reading this thread, specially for a noob, I had to look up what a Fred is, still not sure as apparently the definition has changed. This euro cyclist mob is that a bit like DIR (Doing it Right) in scuba diving ?

I have a lightweight rain jacket with 'rugbytech' written accross the back, that'ld be right out, I presume.

Niall

Oh god that's crossing sports boundaries! Are you crazy? Rugby gear on a bike omg gimme a second to digest that :'(

Only messin hee hee

Ok I was gonna buy the giro jersey on the weekend. I can't now someone point me in a nice jersey direction please

Is there any rules on bikes like the team editions? I've seen the like of discovery treks and gerolsteiner specialized ones??

DUBintheSTICKS · 29-05-2012 8:31pm

I think whole mentality is comical, if you see a fella cycling with the tdf yellow jersey you know he didn't win it and only a select few real cyclists ever will.

As for wearing pro team gear, I would say in buying it you are showing support for a team as well as helping to finance it like the soccer clubs.

The vast majority never will compete pro or win any of the marque races.

And in regards wearing jerseys with dates et all, I have a number of gaa jerseys from different competions like all Ireland semi final Dublin jersey that I wear, I never for one minute pretend I was the one actually wearing it for the game.

I actually laugh a little at some of the replies at how elitist cycling people can be ie pro gear but wrong bike etc just a bit over the top to me

Jawgap · 29-05-2012 8:46pm

@DUBintheSTICKS - I think you missed the tone & point of the posts........

DUBintheSTICKS · 29-05-2012 8:52pm

I don't believe I did, it's just my opinion on the matter.

3102derek · 29-05-2012 9:16pm

I just ordered a Greenedge jersey & I cycle a Felt.

If someone doesn't like it, tough titty. I think it looks nice and that's all that matters

Harrybelafonte · 29-05-2012 9:20pm

There's no point in comparing cycling to soccer or GAA, "cycling people" still have some level of class.

For the record, the tone of this post is dead pan serious and is made by someone trying his very best to keep all 54 euro rules while adding one or two of his own (they involve carrying chesse filled baguettes on morning rides). I measure sock to calf distance.

Chips Lovell · 29-05-2012 9:32pm

In terms of putting money back into the sport, people pay my club good money to sponsor us, so I try and wear the jersey as often as possible. Much better that money goes to a local club than to some skinny eejits from Luxembourg.

DUBintheSTICKS · 29-05-2012 9:32pm

There's no point in comparing cycling to soccer or GAA, "cycling people" still have some level of class.

I presume this is a joke

Surveyor11 · 29-05-2012 9:39pm

Harrybelafonte wrote: »

I'm probably being a little OTT, but wearing World Champ, yellow, green, pink, polka dot jerseys or any other jersey with similar conotations is disrespectful to what that jersey stands for, it's something that needs to be earned.

Feck that, I'm wearing a King of the Mountain jersey for the Etape this year

Bigserious1 · 29-05-2012 9:58pm

DUBintheSTICKS wrote: »

There's no point in comparing cycling to soccer or GAA, "cycling people" still have some level of class.

I presume this is a joke

I love the fact you never even read the second part of the post before getting annoyed.

Mint Sauce · 29-05-2012 10:01pm

Harrybelafonte wrote: »

I'm probably being a little OTT, but wearing World Champ, yellow, green, pink, polka dot jerseys or any other jersey with similar conotations is disrespectful to what that jersey stands for, it's something that needs to be earned.

Well I have done Ditching, Truskmore (the paved part), and Barnsmore Gap (bothsides), all without dismounting.

DUBintheSTICKS · 29-05-2012 10:28pm

Sorry I did read it, I left out the winky face by mistake. I had been lookin for a troll to put up lol

ck101 · 29-05-2012 11:02pm

Yikes. Just getting getting into the sport and spent a rake of cash on Santini specials at Prendas.
All Team stuff and great value. I won't be wearing any matching gear though, havent done that since I was 7.

Once my gear is clean, has nice colours and fits well I don't really care whether it has branding or not. Can't really see the difference in wearing a jersey emblazoned with Castelli, Santini or Garmin. Maybe we should take the branding / logos off our bikes too.

Is it better to wear team gear than to been seen in the Lidl stuff?

Spotted a group of 7/8 going hard on a training spin this evening. Lots of team gear on display.

Yes I'm a Fred and proud..

Leroy42 · 30-05-2012 12:04am

while I don't disagree with the sentiment expressed that wearing 'prize' jerseys is disrespectful (I have a world champ rainbow jersey but can't bring myself to wear it unless as a base layer) but it could also be argued that many if those that actually won those jerseys did so in a way that was even more disrespectful.
I don't think someone wearing on the Sunday cycle is doing much harm.

Sundy · 30-05-2012 12:28am

Harrybelafonte wrote: »

I'm probably being a little OTT, but wearing World Champ, yellow, green, pink, polka dot jerseys or any other jersey with similar conotations is disrespectful to what that jersey stands for, it's something that needs to be earned.

In what way is it disrespectful? If anything its paying homage to the Jersey.

I think the whole nature of the man on the street wearing a certain jersey is to support the competition. However if you are in with a possibility of competing for said jersey I think it would be stupid to wear it. However most of us are not so it doesn't matter a toss.

In fact any representative team jersey for any sport has to be earned and its not disrespectful for a fan to wear them is it?
If it was disrespectful then the organisers of said events and teams wouldn't sell them.

biomed32 · 30-05-2012 12:58am

I have an old US postal jersey given to me by a mate when I first started cycling. I have never been inclined to wear team gear although I have no issue with others wearing it. Most of the people I cycle with tend to wear the Galway Cycle jersey, either the generic or the jersy for that particular year.

FISMA · 30-05-2012 2:13am

Fender76 wrote: »

I bought some team gear recently because it was very cheap and it is really good quality.. but is it frowned upon to wear team gear..?
Would I be labelled a Fred...?
Personally I have no issues with anyone wearing such gear ...... thoughts..?

I've never seen this question anywhere but in cycling. In the States, people who wear the team kit are referred to as posers.

I go to Thomond to see Munster play and there are fellas with beer bellies sticking out of there Munster shirts, never hear the term applied to them. Probably wouldn't want to say it to them either.

Same with hurling, football, and all other sports.

So why cycling?

Jawgap · 30-05-2012 5:58am

@FISMA - Do you play tag? If you do, go to your next game in full Munster kit (jersey, shorts, socks) with your legs taped for line out lifting and with a gum shield - reckon there wouldn't be any pi$$-taking?:)

Wearing a KoM jersey and not dancing up hills looks a bit ridiculous.

Anyway whatever about full team kit, what about full Livestrong kit with matching Oakleys and bracelet?

Aldi & Lidl kit is generally functional and comfy - great for spins. Aldi did a lovely retro Merino jersey a few years ago, mine has worn very well.

Lusk Doyle · 30-05-2012 6:55am

FISMA wrote: »

I go to Thomond to see Munster play and there are fellas with beer bellies sticking out of there Munster shirts, never hear the term applied to them. Probably wouldn't want to say it to them either.

In fairness, they probably make up the opposing front rows of the teams on display there during your visit!

Diarmuid · 30-05-2012 8:15am

I propose we split the cycling forum into two sub forums. "Euros" and "Freds". You post in which ever one you fit.

(BTW If you have to ask, you're in Freds.)

Jawgap · 30-05-2012 8:30am

Diarmuid wrote: »

I propose we split the cycling forum into two sub forums. "Euros" and "Freds". You post in which ever one you fit. (BTW If you have to ask, you're in Freds.)

Seconded.

I further propose there be a sub-forum of the Fred Forum for the herd of MAMILs - we're like the widebeest of the cycling world - ugly as f&ck on our own, but quite impressive in large groups:)

Lucifer-0 · 30-05-2012 9:18am

What about sportive jerseys? Can you wear those in races?

jameverywhere · 30-05-2012 9:44am

Jawgap wrote: »

Seconded.

I further propose there be a sub-forum of the Fred Forum for the herd of MAMILs - we're like the widebeest of the cycling world - ugly as f&ck on our own, but quite impressive in large groups:)

I'm glad that no matter how terribly I age I will never qualify as a MAMiL

Fender76 · 30-05-2012 9:44am

Wow.... guess I went and opened a massive can of worms.....!
Some interesting responses though and in conclusion, I am still going to wear my Skil Shimano jersey and shorts while riding a Felt...... albeit a Garmin Felt..... oops...! :rolleyes:

kincsem · 30-05-2012 9:52am

irish-stew wrote: »

Well I have done Ditching, Truskmore (the paved part), and Barnsmore Gap (bothsides), all without dismounting.

Downhill?

Jawgap · 30-05-2012 9:53am

jameverywhere wrote: »

I'm glad that no matter how terribly I age I will never qualify as a MAMiL

It's inevitable -

petethedrummer · 30-05-2012 10:15am

Asics Gel trainers, Longford GAA shorts and any yellow cycling jersey is my gear of choice.

Lumen · 30-05-2012 10:18am

Lucifer-0 wrote: »

What about sportive jerseys? Can you wear those in races?

In triathlons, sure.

Lumen · 30-05-2012 10:19am

petethedrummer wrote: »

Asics Gel trainers, Longford GAA shorts and any yellow cycling jersey is my gear of choice.

I'm still disgusted than you won Bohermeen with hairy legs. You bring shame on the sport.

kincsem · 30-05-2012 10:19am

You will be ok as long as you don't wear any of these colours.

Race Overall Points KOM sprints young
Vuelta orange, white, yellow, gold, red blue green red
Giro pink mauve, red green, blue white
TDF yellow White + red dots red white
Paris Nice blue + gold, yellow, green, yellow + orange, white, green, rose, yellow, pink + purple, green + white yellow + red, white + purple, yellow + blue, blue, white + red dots
Dauphine Libere yellow Red + white dots green

I might have missed a few.

Vélo · 30-05-2012 10:20am

I bought this jersey as I like Fabian Cancellara and thought the jersey looked good. I will also continue to wear it when I want.

I think the comment made about wearing your club jersey is good as local business' paid money to have their names on them and they should be supported along with your club but I'm not with a club, so will continue to wear what I want.

Off to the Fred section with me!

Is it wrong to wear professional team gear..?

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