RTÉ new HD studio?

formerly scottish paddy · 16-01-2012 9:25pm #1

Saw this in todays Indo...

Meanwhile, a new state-of-the-art studio is to be opened by the state broadcaster at the start of March, which plans to have a 9am TV news bulletin.

It was thrown in at the end of an article about redundancies. Anybody know anything about this?....is it a new ("state of the art") HD studio?

watty · 17-01-2012 12:52pm

Special High resolution paint and lights for the HD Cameras?

There is a lot of nonsense talked about HD. The "electronic infrastructure" and Gallery needs upgraded to allow HD. The studio might need a lick of paint.

Sam Russell · 17-01-2012 2:08pm

I think 'state of the art' relates to the make-up area. With HD you have to be more careful with the stuff - any splodges and it looks awful.

Minstrel27 · 17-01-2012 2:37pm

9am news bulletin on RTÉ Two? I am sure the preschoolers will enjoy that. Unless of course they are about to spring RTÉ One HD on us.

The Cush · 17-01-2012 4:23pm

Minstrel27 wrote: »

9am news bulletin on RTÉ Two? I am sure the preschoolers will enjoy that. Unless of course they are about to spring RTÉ One HD on us.

9am News on RTÉ One/News Now I'd guess. They kids have RTÉjr. According to their submission to the Dept RTÉjr may have its own unique schedule from May this year with RTÉ Two focusing on the 7-15 category in the afternoon.

Sam Russell · 17-01-2012 4:31pm

The Cush wrote: »

9am News on RTÉ One/News Now I'd guess. They kids have RTÉjr. According to their submission to the Dept RTÉjr may have its own unique schedule from May this year with RTÉ Two focusing on the 7-15 category in the afternoon.

Didn't RTE launch Saorview last May? Why has it taken a full year for them to notice they could have two schedules for young ones?

sdanseo · 17-01-2012 4:36pm

Sam Russell wrote: »

Didn't RTE launch Saorview last May? Why has it taken a full year for them to notice they could have two schedules for young ones?

It's RTÉ. It's taken them half a century to figure out a news bulletin in the morning might actually get some viewers.

9am is pointless though, most people are at school, work or college then. 7am-8am news hour would suffice, although I still think news now should have live current-affairs type stuff all day. Not nessecarily 24/7 live news, but certainly hourly bulletins and not the current setup which repeats never-endingly. I also think they should drop the now from the name if/when this happens.

Sam Russell · 17-01-2012 4:48pm

sdeire wrote: »

It's RTÉ. It's taken them half a century to figure out a news bulletin in the morning might actually get some viewers.

9am is pointless though, most people are at school, work or college then. 7am-8am news hour would suffice, although I still think news now should have live current-affairs type stuff all day. Not nessecarily 24/7 live news, but certainly hourly bulletins and not the current setup which repeats never-endingly. I also think they should drop the now from the name if/when this happens.

Agreed, but why do they need HD for the 9am news and not for all the other news bulletins?

RTE News Now is an orphan channel - it carries no advertising and therefore has no budget. It could do so much but does so little. For example it could show 'The Week In Politics' ahead of RTE1 as it is recorded on Sunday afternoon. They show excerpts of it on the Six and Nine new bulletins. They could also show OTV when they have nothing better to show.

formerly scottish paddy · 17-01-2012 5:27pm

Of course the new studio and the reference to a 9am bulletin could be totally unrelated (and knowing the Indo, probably are!)

watty · 17-01-2012 7:43pm

HD Make up area?

Cinema was up to or past current "HDTV" DTT resolution (1440 x 1080) by about 1928. My eyeballs are superior to HD. I've BEEN in news studios and seen make-up being done.

Sam Russell · 17-01-2012 7:46pm

watty wrote: »

HD Make up area?
Cinema was up to or past current "HDTV" DTT resolution (1440 x 1080) by about 1928. My eyeballs are superior to HD. I've BEEN in news studios and seen make-up being done.

@Watty: That was a joke.

watty · 17-01-2012 11:49pm

Given typical press releases and news reports I'm afraid too believable.

I don't have my humour turned on at the minute.

Elmo · 18-01-2012 7:20pm

Article here:

http://www.independent.ie/business/media/rte-clears-way-for-186-redundancies-to-cut-10m-from-pay-bill-2989649.html

Why do people not put up a link to the original article when posting, this isn't your work. (<<< the article was posted in another thread with no link.)

9am News was mentioned for RTÉ News Now and it is only a bulletin. The studio is possible for sport, I imagine for the Euro 2012 and Olympics not for the News.

They should concentrate on Prime Time output.

dublinman1990 · 10-02-2012 7:29pm

If anyone seeing the 6.1 now, you would have seen that the camera angle in the RTE News studio is now more close up of Brian and Sharon tonight.

However, if anyone missed it; I will give you a description of what happened; the screen where Brian reads the main story was behind him on the right of the shot. He was in the middle looking into the camera on the left hand side. Sharon was around on the far left or in the middle sitting at the news desk.

It looks likely that the new HD studio will be unveiled on the 9th March I've been told.

The current set for RTE News officially turned 3 years old yesterday.

formerly scottish paddy · 10-03-2012 4:22pm

Any sign of the HD studio?

It looks likely that the new HD studio will be unveiled on the 9th March I've been told.

Markdub2000 · 11-03-2012 1:07am

Do I recall correctly that RTE, spent millions upgrading the intro and studio for 6'one and 9'oclock news for "HD compatibility..." back in 2008 - Then turned RTE two into the hd channel and left rte one in SD?

Fantastic stuff -

Elmo · 11-03-2012 11:41am

Markdub2000 wrote: »

Do I recall correctly that RTE, spent millions upgrading the intro and studio for 6'one and 9'oclock news for "HD compatibility..." back in 2008 - Then turned RTE two into the hd channel and left rte one in SD?

Fantastic stuff -

It would cost a huge amount of money to turn RTÉ ONE and TWO in to HD hence the reason that RTÉ did not make RTÉ ONE HD is that the majority of Sports (nearly all) airs on RTÉ Two.

RTÉ One is required by law to go HD at some stage under the 2009 act but they still have to ask for the go ahead of such a station. Fantastic stuff! RED TAPE.

Also I think we discovered that the News Studio is not HD compatible.

The Cush · 11-03-2012 1:13pm

Elmo wrote: »

RTÉ One is required by law to go HD at some stage under the 2009 act but they still have to ask for the go ahead of such a station. Fantastic stuff! RED TAPE.

No such requirement in the Act and no capacity on the current multiplex for it.

Elmo · 11-03-2012 1:49pm

The Cush wrote: »

No such requirement in the Act and no capacity on the current multiplex for it.

No? It at least provides for RTÉ ONE and TG4 to go HD. Even though red tape still needs to be applied!

formerly scottish paddy · 11-03-2012 2:51pm

The news studio is HD “compatible” only in so far as the LED background, not cameras, vision mixing desk etc. The most appropriate studio to convert to HD would be the sports studio for the Euro finals, Olympics etc. as most HD output at the moment, and the biggest “crowd puller” is sports.

The Cush · 11-03-2012 4:50pm

Elmo wrote: »

No? It at least provides for RTÉ ONE and TG4 to go HD. Even though red tape still needs to be applied!

Can you quote the relevant section of the Act?

Elmo · 11-03-2012 8:25pm

The Cush wrote: »

Elmo wrote: »

No? It at least provides for RTÉ ONE and TG4 to go HD. Even though red tape still needs to be applied!

Can you quote the relevant section of the Act?

I think you quoted it to me.

The Cush · 11-03-2012 8:41pm

Elmo wrote: »

I think you quoted it to me.

If I did I wouldn't be asking, link to my post?

Elmo · 11-03-2012 9:07pm

The Cush wrote: »

If I did I wouldn't be asking, link to my post?

Your to blame entirely. Must have been a dream

No mention of HD from a quick re-glace at the act.

Your Post
The section in the act

The Cush · 11-03-2012 9:39pm

Elmo wrote: »

Your to blame entirely. Must have been a dream No mention of HD from a quick re-glace at the act.

Your Post
The section in the act

Now that we've sorted that, this is maybe what you were thinking of - Ministerial Consent for new public service broadcast channels and services, condition 3. Of course they are basically recommendations and have no statutory standing. Conditions 1 & 4 have not been implemented to date.

Conditions attaching to Specific Channels

1. RTÉ Two HD Select channel is required to be carried on the second multiplex;
2. The knowledge gained from technical trialling of the HD channel will be shared with other broadcasters;
3. RTÉ should aim to provide for full HD versions of RTÉ One and RTÉ Two as soon as practicable and by mid 2013 at the latest;
4. The RTÉjr/RTÉ Plus channel shall be carried on the first multiplex until 1 September 2011 and from 1 September 2011 shall be transferred to the second multiplex;
5. No advertising is permitted on the RTÉjr or RTÉ News Now channel;
6. In respect of RTÉjr and RTÉ News Now, RTÉ shall review Phase 2 of these channel proposals on foot of the suggestions set out in the public consultation in order to further enhance the public value of the channels.
7. RTÉ Plus: Phase 1 only is approved and for a period of 4 years only until February 2014.

Elmo · 11-03-2012 10:36pm

The Cush wrote: »

Of course they are basically recommendations and have no statutory standing. Conditions 1 & 4 have not been implemented to date.

The BAI have recommended not recommending conditions 1 & 4.

http://www.bai.ie/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/20110815_BAIDTTEOI_FINAL.pdf

there would appear to be sufficient capacity on Multiplex 1 to carry the services currently available during the test period, together with the additional RTÉ services which were recently approved, following the sectoral impact assessment and public value review.

With regard to the proposed services emerging from the expressions of interest process, these are not likely to be in a position to commence operations until near to or beyond analogue switch off in October 2012. In these circumstances, the question of the requirement to introduce the second RTÉ multiplex in 2011 should be considered further by the Minister.

The Cush · 11-03-2012 11:03pm

Elmo wrote: »

The BAI have recommended not recommending conditions 1 & 4.

http://www.bai.ie/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/20110815_BAIDTTEOI_FINAL.pdf

Yes, it has been discussed previously and that seems to be the best plan for now, until additional content becomes available. So no capacity for RTÉ1 HD for the moment.

Elmo · 12-03-2012 1:21am

The Cush wrote: »

Yes, it has been discussed previously and that seems to be the best plan for now, until additional content becomes available. So no capacity for RTÉ1 HD for the moment.

Except that when new content does appear people have to re-tune <<<right???

The Cush · 12-03-2012 2:17am

Elmo wrote: »

Except that when new content does appear people have to re-tune <<<right???

That appears to depend on the receiver. I've got 2 non Saorview approved Sony TVs, the 4 yr old one pulled in any new channels/testcards automatically when they were testing on the various muxes , the other 2 yr old TV had to be manually retuned to find new services.

Sam Russell · 12-03-2012 1:22pm

Quote:
Conditions attaching to Specific Channels

1. RTÉ Two HD Select channel is required to be carried on the second multiplex;
2. The knowledge gained from technical trialling of the HD channel will be shared with other broadcasters;
3. RTÉ should aim to provide for full HD versions of RTÉ One and RTÉ Two as soon as practicable and by mid 2013 at the latest;
4. The RTÉjr/RTÉ Plus channel shall be carried on the first multiplex until 1 September 2011 and from 1 September 2011 shall be transferred to the second multiplex;
5. No advertising is permitted on the RTÉjr or RTÉ News Now channel;
6. In respect of RTÉjr and RTÉ News Now, RTÉ shall review Phase 2 of these channel proposals on foot of the suggestions set out in the public consultation in order to further enhance the public value of the channels.
7. RTÉ Plus: Phase 1 only is approved and for a period of 4 years only until February 2014.

Having dropped conditions 1 and 4, they should drop conditions 5 (for RTE NN) and 7. They should also require that RTE1+1 is not a sepeerate broadcast so that the likes of Fair City is not forced to be a blank screen.

Elmo · 12-03-2012 2:24pm

Are the sports studios now in HD?

icdg · 13-03-2012 12:22am

Sam Russell wrote: »

Having dropped conditions 1 and 4, they should drop conditions 5 (for RTE NN) and 7. They should also require that RTE1+1 is not a sepeerate broadcast so that the likes of Fair City is not forced to be a blank screen.

They could require all they like, the net result would be a strike by Equity members and no Fair City (or any other scripted drama) at all. As it is, the conditions imposed on the RTÉ digital services always seemed very odd to me anyway.

As for the new news studio, no sign of it yet. Though I'm a fan of RTÉ News' current look and in no hurry for it to change.

STB · 13-03-2012 12:28am

formerly scottish paddy wrote: »

The news studio is HD “compatible” only in so far as the LED background, not cameras, vision mixing desk etc. The most appropriate studio to convert to HD would be the sports studio for the Euro finals, Olympics etc. as most HD output at the moment, and the biggest “crowd puller” is sports.

Their plans are laid out in the > rte-hd-playout-facility-technical-requirements document.

Its on the web.

Elmo · 13-03-2012 11:09am

icdg wrote: »

They could require all they like, the net result would be a strike by Equity members and no Fair City (or any other scripted drama) at all. As it is, the conditions imposed on the RTÉ digital services always seemed very odd to me anyway.

It is only Fair City. They seem to be only able to repeat the show once. Which is unusual for TV show which general have a few repeat episodes. It is the same problem they have with Fair City appearing on RTÉ Player.

Both Raw and Love/Hate have an initial repeat on Thursdays, player and then a repeat later in the year. (Also +1 is allowed). I think Sam is suggesting that RTÉ do away with RTÉ 1 +1 to avoid Fair City's time slot. Fair City will not appear on any other service unless they change the repeat time. It's either repeat the next day on RTÉ One or repeat an hour later on RTÉ One +1 but not both. (It used to be a Omnibus edition at the week end on RTÉ Two).

Had a dream that TV3 +1 and +2 suddenly appeared on Soarview (I am think about this too much!).

Sam Russell · 13-03-2012 5:15pm

Elmo wrote: »

It is only Fair City. They seem to be only able to repeat the show once. Which is unusual for TV show which general have a few repeat episodes. It is the same problem they have with Fair City appearing on RTÉ Player.

Both Raw and Love/Hate have an initial repeat on Thursdays, player and then a repeat later in the year. (Also +1 is allowed). I think Sam is suggesting that RTÉ do away with RTÉ 1 +1 to avoid Fair City's time slot. Fair City will not appear on any other service unless they change the repeat time. It's either repeat the next day on RTÉ One or repeat an hour later on RTÉ One +1 but not both. (It used to be a Omnibus edition at the week end on RTÉ Two).

Had a dream that TV3 +1 and +2 suddenly appeared on Soarview (I am think about this too much!).

It is not only Fair City that suffers from this. Other programmes are also given the blank screen treatment. I think the +1 should not be treated as a retransmission but a delayed transmission. One solution would be to allow an alternative to be substituted if the repeat fees are the problem.

In fact, the soltuion is to allow RTE 3/RTE Plus and let them schedule a decent mix taken from the RTE1 schedule for the day but at alternative times. For example show later scheduled programmes earlier in the Plus channel. Not allowing advertising on NN means no journos and no new content. Even so, they could show 'The Week in Politics' at, say, 8PM as it is recorded much earlier.

All of this was used as a big stick that killed RTE's interest in Saorview until after ASO.

Elmo · 13-03-2012 6:01pm

Sam Russell wrote: »

All of this was used as a big stick that killed RTE's interest in Saorview until after ASO.

Unfortunately RTÉ clearly stated that RTÉjr would not air at the weekends, that RTÉ NN would not carry advertising and that RTÉ Plus would be RTE One +1 until phase 2 of those channels. Which would only finish in May of this year.

I haven't noticed other programmes getting the blank screen treatment on RTÉ One +1.

Sam Russell · 13-03-2012 6:35pm

Elmo wrote: »

I haven't noticed other programmes getting the blank screen treatment on RTÉ One +1.

If I recall correctly, either Ear to the Ground or Ecoeye or some such programme was blanked. I'll check the EPG and see how many are in the current schedule.

Mind you BBC blank BBC 1 HD during local news instead of using MHEG to change over and back, or just sticking with the BBC 1[London] varient. Some +1 channels from ITV and CH 4 do it as well.

Sam Russell · 13-03-2012 6:47pm

Unfortunately, RTE do not give a listing on line for RTE 1+1.:(

Checking the EPG, Fair City and Reeling in the Years get the blank screen award this week.

Elmo · 13-03-2012 8:50pm

Sam Russell wrote: »

Unfortunately, RTE do not give a listing on line for RTE 1+1.:(

Checking the EPG, Fair City and Reeling in the Years get the blank screen award this week.

Yes, I forgot about Reeling in the Years. They are the only 2.

http://www.rte.ie/ten/listings/ <<< Select Saorview from the dropdown menu beside the dates.

Sam Russell · 14-03-2012 12:16am

Elmo wrote: »

Yes, I forgot about Reeling in the Years. They are the only 2.

http://www.rte.ie/ten/listings/ <<< Select Saorview from the dropdown menu beside the dates.

I think that there are more, all of them RTE productions. I would have thought that they would have got it agreed that the +1 is not counted as rebroadcasting. Blanking the screen is against all sense - they should substitue something else.

Elmo · 14-03-2012 9:30pm

Sam Russell wrote: »

I think that there are more, all of them RTE productions. I would have thought that they would have got it agreed that the +1 is not counted as rebroadcasting. Blanking the screen is against all sense - they should substitue something else.

You must be delighted tonight? well just the intro tonight, next week, the credits.

thatsmyboy · 25-12-2013 10:42pm

Do any of ye guys know will rte 1hd be coming to sky service or can I tune it in to sky somehow

Elmo · 25-12-2013 11:18pm

thatsmyboy wrote: »

Do any of ye guys know will rte 1hd be coming to sky service or can I tune it in to sky somehow

New year some time. If you have an aerial and a Saorview approved tv you can flick between sky and Saorview.

Happy Christmas

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