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Local Elections 2014: What issues will you be raising with candidates on the door?

  • 04-03-2014 11:45pm
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    Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,336 ✭✭✭✭


    The local elections are coming up on May 23rd. So with that in mind, what are the Dublin 15 issues important to you and that you would like to see the candidates address? Over the course of the campaign Boards is going to try to engage with local election candidates and run Q&A sessions with them, so this is your first chance to tell them what you'll be asking them should they call to your door.

    Obviously there's potential for this thread to become contentious, so a couple of ground rules:

    NO politician bashing - this isn't about slagging off X candidate or Y party, it's about getting proper discussion going on what issues face Dublin 15 and what the candidates can expect to be grilled on.

    NO politicians - feel free to keep an eye on this thread, but you'll get your chance later. This thread is for your potential future constituents only.

    Political affiliations - if you're going to be involved in campaigning for a candidate or in the organisation of any party/group's campaign, you must declare this in your first post in this thread.

    CANDIDATES - CASTLEKNOCK WARD (* - outgoing councillor)

    Fine Gael
    * Eithne Loftus
    Ted Leddy
    Henry Minogue

    Fianna Fáil
    * Mags Murray
    Edward MacManus
    Jack Chambers

    Anti-Austerity Alliance
    * Matt Waine
    Sandra Kavanagh

    Sinn Féin
    Natalie Treacy

    Labour
    * John Walsh

    Green Party
    Roderic O'Gorman

    People Before Profit
    Memet Uludag

    Direct Democracy Ireland
    Robert Long

    Women of Ireland
    Mary Martin

    Independent
    TJ Clare
    Sean Lyons
    Dermot Casey

    CANDIDATES - MULHUDDART WARD (* - outgoing councillor)

    Fine Gael
    * Kieran Dennison
    Maria McGrail
    Philip O’Callaghan

    Fianna Fáil
    * David McGuinness
    Margaret Richardson

    Anti-Austerity Alliance
    * Ruth Coppinger
    Annette Hughes
    Jimmy Keenan
    Bernadette Rynne

    Sinn Féin
    Paul Donnelly
    Edmond Lukusa

    Labour
    * Michael O’Donovan
    * Mary McCamley

    People Before Profit
    Louise Bayliss

    Independent
    Lorna Nolan
    Dermot Casey
    Freddie Cooper


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 406 ✭✭truebluesac


    I live in tyrrelstown ,

    The first thing ill ask is who are you . What are your views and goals , and why do you want to be a counciller


    The issues i will be raising will be
    1) the provision for permanent school buildings
    2) the provision of secondary schools in the immidate area
    3) the planned take over by fingal versus management companies
    4) area crime and garda presance

    It may seem like interview questioning but that exactly what it is , they are applicants and we are all voting members of the company they want to join ;-)

    The ones that stay and answer my questions without giving me the polical questioning merry go round answers will get my vote


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    So for the current/outgoing lot, why did they deny the people of Dublin the choice of deciding if they want to elect a lord mayor for their city?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,363 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    ThisRegard wrote: »
    So for the current/outgoing lot, why did they deny the people of Dublin the choice of deciding if they want to elect a lord mayor for their city?

    Self-preservation evidently and some sort of siege mentality of Fingal V rest of Dublin. However I blame Phil Hogan's department for framing the legislation in a way that a vote of just 16 Councillors out of the 140+ across the 4 Dublin authorities could kill a democratic plebiscite. I dont know why the Govt didnt do the plebiscite anyway, after all it was just going to ask Dubliners if they were favour, in principle, of a directly elected Mayor. The role itself could have been debated and defined before any actual election. Fingal Co Co made a very big mistake today and I expect those who voted it down to pay a price in May.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,420 ✭✭✭✭athtrasna


    ThisRegard wrote: »
    So for the current/outgoing lot, why did they deny the people of Dublin the choice of deciding if they want to elect a lord mayor for their city?

    I have no issue with this, I don't feel that a city Mayor can fully understand the issues of Fingal. I also don't like the idea of voting for a plebiscite without knowing the wording or set up.

    My big local issues are roads and maintenance of public areas (woods, parks and litter control). We live beside a wooded area and have been trying to get the council to cut huge branches overhanging the road for over 18 months now (the council own the wood, they took it over from the developer).


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    Candidates have never called to my door, so if one was lost enough to make their way to this isolated neck of the D15 woods I'd like to know where the hell they've been for the last 21 years!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    athtrasna wrote: »
    I have no issue with this, I don't feel that a city Mayor can fully understand the issues of Fingal. I also don't like the idea of voting for a plebiscite without knowing the wording or set up.

    I liked to have thought that the current crop of councillors trusted us enough to understand the plebiscite come voting time, after all they had no problem accepting we knew what we were doing when we voted them in.

    My issue is not with having a mayor or not, but with not being given the opportunity to have a say if we should have one. It's a bit galling hearing some of them say they voted against putting it to the electorate as they thought the idea was undemocratic, could they be any more ironic?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,420 ✭✭✭✭athtrasna


    ThisRegard wrote: »
    I liked to have thought that the current crop of councillors trusted us enough to understand the plebiscite come voting time, after all they had no problem accepting we knew what we were doing when we voted them in.

    My issue is not with having a mayor or not, but with not being given the opportunity to have a say if we should have one. It's a bit galling hearing some of them say they voted against putting it to the electorate as they thought the idea was undemocratic, could they be any more ironic?

    They voted to allow a vote for a mayor for the city of Dublin, which I think is a better proposition. There also wasn't enough info about the role and powers of the greater Dublin Mayor for councillors to decide whether having a vote was worth the expense of a plebiscite. At a time when the numbers of councillors are increasing dramatically, adding another layer of bureaucracy over all the Dublin authorities does not sit well with me. If there was one Dublin council, have one Dublin Mayor. For now we have four councils, with varying issues.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    I know you're not naive enough to think one of the reasons they voted against it was because they were worried about the expense of holding one!


  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,336 ✭✭✭✭Zaph


    athtrasna wrote: »
    I have no issue with this, I don't feel that a city Mayor can fully understand the issues of Fingal.

    The same could be argued about Dun Laoghaire/Rathdown or South County Dublin and they voted in favour. There aren't any issues in Fingal that are unique to the area, this was purely about self-preservation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,633 ✭✭✭chucknorris


    Zaph wrote: »
    The same could be argued about Dun Laoghaire/Rathdown or South County Dublin and they voted in favour. There aren't any issues in Fingal that are unique to the area, this was purely about self-preservation.

    Yep, the vote in the relevant councils was simply a vote to say yes or no to people having their say. The people that voted it down in Fingal basically made a decision to say - no, people won't get to decide if they want an elected mayor or not.

    Regardless if people feel we should or should not have a directly elected mayor, that's another argument, but it's only fitting that the current and existing internally elected mayor of Fingal didn't want people to have a say on a directly elected mayor. Self preservation is all over this one.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,198 ✭✭✭Murt10


    I ran a Labour candidate from my door the other night.

    1. Further wage cuts tearing up a hard fought written agreement with the previous government, under the terms of the Croke Park Agreement, that there would be no further cuts.

    2. Having to work additional hours for no extra pay.

    3. The filleting the sick pay scheme. I have no problem with them tackling peolple who were abusing the system, but to treat everyone as if they were abusing it annoys me no end.

    4. Cutting back on annual holidays.

    5. Allowing the bankers to keep the pensions and benefits that they had accrued while they destroyed the Country. They even used tax payers money to recapitalise the banks so that the banks could in turn put the money into the retiring bankers pensions!!!


    Labour will be waiting a long time before they get my vote again. FF should have been disbanded after the last election, with the mess they left the Country in and FG are not a party that cares about public servants.


    Looks like Joe and SF may benefit from my vote


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    In fairness, all of those points can be, and have been, applied to private sector workers for years. Don't want to get into another private vs public debate but I don't have any issue with any of those points.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭AlanG


    ThisRegard wrote: »
    So for the current/outgoing lot, why did they deny the people of Dublin the choice of deciding if they want to elect a lord mayor for their city?

    Up until Tuesday I agreed with you however I heard a very interesting piece on the Radio regarding Fingal and it changed my mind. Apparently Fingal is the only financially stable council, it has the least councillors per head of any council and before the council was established the areas of Fingal were completely ignored by the south city dominated local government.
    Personally, having lived in both Dublin 15 and the Portmarnock / Malahide area I think Dublin 15 is underserved by Fingal. Facilities for parks, libraries and general maintenance in the costal areas are far better than D 15 so I can only imagine it would be worse again under a return to the old regime.

    I can't find the radio report but there si some good info here: http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/fingal-councillors-have-no-love-for-dublin-dominance-1.1746408


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    Yeah, I see the pros of not having a mayor, as I said earlier I'm not too greatly upset that we won't have a mayor for Dublin, but I suppose my hackles were raised by not been given the opportunity in having a say in it.

    To be fair to Fingal, any dealings I've had with them have been positive, apart from the mad opening hours of the Coolmine Bring Centre.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,697 ✭✭✭ciaran76


    I never really noticed the litter problem in Dublin 15 until recently.
    I started jogging in Jan. and when jogging from Littlepace up to Tyrellstown and around back to Clonee the amount of rubbish being dumped in hedges and wasteland is unreal.

    I know its not a game changer for most people but I will bring it up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,633 ✭✭✭chucknorris


    ciaran76 wrote: »
    I never really noticed the litter problem in Dublin 15 until recently.
    I started jogging in Jan. and when jogging from Littlepace up to Tyrellstown and around back to Clonee the amount of rubbish being dumped in hedges and wasteland is unreal.

    I know its not a game changer for most people but I will bring it up.

    I started to cycle to work in the last two months, and it's only because of it that I have noticed so much glass on the cycle tracks (which are a brilliant idea).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,697 ✭✭✭ciaran76


    I started to cycle to work in the last two months, and it's only because of it that I have noticed so much glass on the cycle tracks (which are a brilliant idea).

    Yes I actually noticed a lot of glass too on the bike tracks.

    I also think I have jogged by your brother a few times in Hartstown park but if it isn't him he has a double.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    In 11 years living in Mulhuddart I have never had a TD or local election candidate call to my door to the best of my knowledge. I know that there are a few posters here from the area and wondering if they have had the same experience.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,862 ✭✭✭✭January


    eviltwin wrote: »
    In 11 years living in Mulhuddart I have never had a TD or local election candidate call to my door to the best of my knowledge. I know that there are a few posters here from the area and wondering if they have had the same experience.

    Just the other day I had one of Paul donnellys crowd at the door, the man himself was floating around. Unfortunately he knocked at bedtime so I'd not much time to ask questions at all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,633 ✭✭✭chucknorris


    ciaran76 wrote: »
    Yes I actually noticed a lot of glass too on the bike tracks.

    I also think I have jogged by your brother a few times in Hartstown park but if it isn't him he has a double.

    Which Brother? I live in Rusheeny, was it me?

    eviltwin wrote: »
    In 11 years living in Mulhuddart I have never had a TD or local election candidate call to my door to the best of my knowledge. I know that there are a few posters here from the area and wondering if they have had the same experience.

    What part of Mulhuddart? I've been along with the bro in all parts of Mulhuddart in 09 and in 2011 (during both elections).


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,630 ✭✭✭folan


    Garda presence and the state of cycle paths in the area. theyre my big things in the local area.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,697 ✭✭✭ciaran76


    Which Brother? I live in Rusheeny, was it me?


    Could have swore it was your brother last Sunday morning I seen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,633 ✭✭✭chucknorris


    ciaran76 wrote: »
    Could have swore it was your brother last Sunday morning I seen.

    Not sure, I have three brothers, but we were canvassing in Briarswood on Saturday , and that skirts parts of Hartstown park.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,363 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Why has the Ongar Link Road been let become a tip-head?

    Spotted a bunch of litter the other day, then like when you see one ant and realise there are thousands, all I could see was litter all up and down the verges. Starting to look like a real kip.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,633 ✭✭✭chucknorris


    I'm going to throw a little spoke in here before it is announced.

    It looks like the by-election for Dublin West will be May 23rd.

    It maybe called in late April.

    On this occasion, I reckon candidates need to decide if they are running for one or the other. Council or Dail.
    With the European elections also happening that day, the same names on multiple forms will cause a lot of annoyance and confusion.

    The problem is that the by-election maybe called after the deadline for nominations and removal of nominations from the local election register of candidates, so people maybe on the LEA forms - but decide only to contest the by-election.

    It could be a crazy day on the 23rd of May.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,632 ✭✭✭Turbulent Bill


    Is the by-election not due to take place in the autumn, as sitting TDs in other areas might end up in Europe? Doesn't make sense to have different constituencies on different dates.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,420 ✭✭✭✭athtrasna


    I'm going to throw a little spoke in here before it is announced.

    It looks like the by-election for Dublin West will be May 23rd.

    It maybe called in late April.

    On this occasion, I reckon candidates need to decide if they are running for one or the other. Council or Dail.

    With the European elections also happening that day, the same names on multiple forms will cause a lot of annoyance and confusion.

    The problem is that the by-election maybe called after the deadline for nominations and removal of nominations from the local election register of candidates, so people maybe on the LEA forms - but decide only to contest the by-election.

    It could be a crazy day on the 23rd of May.

    Absolutely!! Joe Higgins screwed Dublin West TWICE and I will not contemplate voting for anyone who stands in more than one election. I will vociferously urge other voters likewise.

    It seems your brother has competition within the ranks if he does seek nomination and to be honest, I would be disgusted if he didn't get through. I am not a supporter of his party but feel the other name is only known in D15 for the actual name rather than for work on behalf of the electorate, which your brother has done tirelessly. If I can see it from Castleknock ward, even though he's in Mulhuddart, he's clearly working hard!
    Is the by-election not due to take place in the autumn, as sitting TDs in other areas might end up in Europe? Doesn't make sense to have different constituencies on different dates.

    No, following a court ruling, all bye-elections must now take place within three months of the seat becoming vacant.


  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,336 ✭✭✭✭Zaph


    Did I see election posters up already on Mountview Road this evening, or are they just advertising a meeting or something?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,862 ✭✭✭✭January


    I could have sworn that I saw election posters up around Mulhuddart too but couldn't be sure.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,633 ✭✭✭chucknorris


    The posters you see up at the moment have notices mentioning bogus public meetings as a way to circumvent the litter laws, whereby an election poster can only go up on a poll 30 days prior to an election. But public notices are allowed and what happens is come April 23rd , those public notice stickers will be pealed off of the posters and boom - their posters are up.

    Regarding the by-election for Patrick Nulty's seat, I am 99.9% sure the by-election will be called on the 30th of this month with a three week campaign to fill that seat.

    @Athtrasna: You're correct. Some suitors feel it's their destiny to run in the by-election and it'll come down to 'one member - one vote' to decide who from the party gets the run. The question will soon be answered. Will it be a break from the past and the old network or will it be back to the usual shenanigans. Either way will reveal a lot.

    PS: I promise no posters will be seen on a pole within your estate should he get the run :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,005 ✭✭✭✭Toto Wolfcastle


    One of the posters on Mountview Road is a public meeting poster. The other one is an election poster. There are a few of them. I don't know who they're for or what party they're for but it's a man.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    The socialists are particularly fond of littering the place with posters for public meetings of all sorts. They're usually stuck on to the back of posters for previous stuff so when they leave them up for ages and it invariably rains they become a mess and unsightly.

    This year I'm genuinely going to take note of local ones with an eye to reporting them to the litter warden if they're up early, or left up too long.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,697 ✭✭✭ciaran76


    I wish there were no posters or a limit of how many you can put up in a space of a few hundred meters.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,633 ✭✭✭chucknorris


    ciaran76 wrote: »
    I wish there were no posters or a limit of how many you can put up in a space of a few hundred meters.

    Agree on that, the issue is that everything has to agree on it for it to work. Once one person does something, the rest usually do.

    Here's a random question. Do you feel Social media might be more powerful than postering?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,697 ✭✭✭ciaran76


    Agree on that, the issue is that everything has to agree on it for it to work. Once one person does something, the rest usually do.

    Here's a random question. Do you feel Social media might be more powerful than postering?

    Social media I dont think is to be honest.
    My parents for example would never be online. Both in their late 50's.
    I am sure there are many like that.

    I don't follow any politicians on FB or Twitter.Except one who is also a personal friend so its different.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,633 ✭✭✭chucknorris


    ciaran76 wrote: »
    Social media I dont think is to be honest.
    My parents for example would never be online. Both in their late 50's.
    I am sure there are many like that.

    I don't follow any politicians on FB or Twitter.Except one who is also a personal friend so its different.

    What you say is very true. The people who vote in greatest numbers are people 50 and over.

    Those same people are not as regular on social media, but they read every leaflet and the newspapers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,005 ✭✭✭✭Toto Wolfcastle


    One of the posters on Mountview Road is a public meeting poster. The other one is an election poster. There are a few of them. I don't know who they're for or what party they're for but it's a man.

    Had another look at the posters and the one I thought was an election poster seems to be a very sneaky public meeting poster. I say seems to be because it's actually very difficult to see the small writing down the bottom. If you were just driving by you'd think it was a regular election poster. McManus is the guy's name. Fianna Fáil I think.


  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,336 ✭✭✭✭Zaph


    The posters you see up at the moment have notices mentioning bogus public meetings as a way to circumvent the litter laws, whereby an election poster can only go up on a poll 30 days prior to an election. But public notices are allowed and what happens is come April 23rd , those public notice stickers will be pealed off of the posters and boom - their posters are up.

    I see David McGuinness now has heaps of posters up on the Ongar Road. I didn't get a chance to read them properly, anyone know where and when his bogus public meeting is on?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    The ones I've seen are election posters but with some very flimsy add for a meeting placed over it, you can see right through them. Kieran Dennison is one I've seen and a female candidate whose posters are at the Whitestown side of the centre.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,862 ✭✭✭✭January


    Zaph wrote: »
    I see David McGuinness now has heaps of posters up on the Ongar Road. I didn't get a chance to read them properly, anyone know where and when his bogus public meeting is on?

    Littlepace on the 26th of April apparently, according to his FB page... bit rich of his brother to be on claiming about others bogus public meetings when David is doing the exact same thing.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,633 ✭✭✭chucknorris


    January wrote: »
    Littlepace on the 26th of April apparently, according to his FB page... bit rich of his brother to be on claiming about others bogus public meetings when David is doing the exact same thing.

    Tomorrow week in the Paddocks, clonee. Organised and booked two weeks ago and only advertised tonight.

    Advertised also on social media (facebook and twitter).

    The ones i mentioned earlier are up TWO weeks ago, the date of their meetings have passed and they're still up.

    In addition to that, there are bogus public meetings called every six months by some candidates/parties, as a way to get their face and name on a poll and keep themselves relevant - but you never ever see a photo of the event and the crowd because the meeting never kicked off.

    Just to add one more thing; the public notices are limited to about 70 constituency wide. Take a look in Corduff tomorrow, one party has about 100 alone in corduff. Advertising the public meeting one week in advance is reasonable.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    All the 'notices' for meetings seem to be A4 pages stuck to election posters though. I'm sure it's to bag prime lampposts and they'll just come around and pull the bit of paper off and hey presto, there's an election poster,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,005 ✭✭✭✭Toto Wolfcastle


    ThisRegard wrote: »
    All the 'notices' for meetings seem to be A4 pages stuck to election posters though. I'm sure it's to bag prime lampposts and they'll just come around and pull the bit of paper off and hey presto, there's an election poster,

    One of the ones I saw was definitely printed on the poster. The notice was so small though that I'm sure they'll just stay up with an out of date notice.

    I really think it's taking the absolute piss putting them up early under the guide of advertising a meeting. I don't care about the whole 'if everyone else is doing it I have to do it too' excuse. I'd have a hell of a lot more respect for someone ago decided not to litter the area early.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,633 ✭✭✭chucknorris


    ThisRegard wrote: »
    All the 'notices' for meetings seem to be A4 pages stuck to election posters though. I'm sure it's to bag prime lampposts and they'll just come around and pull the bit of paper off and hey presto, there's an election poster,

    A3 in this case.

    By the way, the 70/75 is limited also by the litter laws. Very important to stay within that.

    The largest poster count in the area is the paul murphy EU election campaign


  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,336 ✭✭✭✭Zaph


    The largest poster count in the area is the paul murphy EU election campaign

    Can't honestly say I've seen any for him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,697 ✭✭✭ciaran76


    SAw a few for him but they seemed to disappear this week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,633 ✭✭✭chucknorris


    ciaran76 wrote: »
    SAw a few for him but they seemed to disappear this week.

    They could be gone now on fairness. They're black and white.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,697 ✭✭✭ciaran76


    FG seem to be pulling the "public meeting" trick in Littlepace at the moment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,068 ✭✭✭LoonyLovegood


    Just for the record, I'm a member of the SF group in college, but I'm not doing anything about the elections at home.

    I'm in Blanchardstown, and we've had Eithne Loftus and Jack Chambers to the door so far. Kind of hilarious seeing my dad having a go at Loftus and FG over the charges.

    I'll be bringing up the lack of amenities for the local football club (Said it to Jack Chambers that Castleknock Football Club had nothing, he started going on about the CHFC, to which I replied "No, the soccer club."), and general lack of amenities this side of the Diswellstown bridge for sports. There's no council all weather pitches, no council amenities for any sort of sports.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,633 ✭✭✭chucknorris


    CTYIgirl wrote: »
    Just for the record, I'm a member of the SF group in college, but I'm not doing anything about the elections at home.

    I'm in Blanchardstown, and we've had Eithne Loftus and Jack Chambers to the door so far. Kind of hilarious seeing my dad having a go at Loftus and FG over the charges.

    I'll be bringing up the lack of amenities for the local football club (Said it to Jack Chambers that Castleknock Football Club had nothing, he started going on about the CHFC, to which I replied "No, the soccer club."), and general lack of amenities this side of the Diswellstown bridge for sports. There's no council all weather pitches, no council amenities for any sort of sports.

    What's CHFC?


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