The Tipperary GAA (Club and intercounty) Discussion thread 2015

27-12-2014 5:18pm #1

Up the Premier! New thread for 2015 officially opened

Charlie69 · 27-12-2014 8:27pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Up the Premier! New thread for 2015 officially opened

Why not on the GAA forum?.. just curious

tippspur · 27-12-2014 9:27pm

An all Ireland winning year for Tipp hurlers hopefully.
and a good year for the footballers.:)

GerB40 · 27-12-2014 11:50pm

Charlie69 wrote: »

Why not on the GAA forum?.. just curious

Good point. Mods, get on the case....

GerB40 · 27-12-2014 11:52pm

I don't want to sound too optimistic, but Tipp will definitely win the All-Ireland next year

OAOB · 28-12-2014 10:39am

Charlie69 wrote: »

Why not on the GAA forum?.. just curious

No reason i don't think, it started here about 5 years ago so this just became home for the Tipp GAA thread

Have to feel we'll do well this year in both codes, footballers should be pushing to finish top half of division 3 and to give Kerry a good rattle, see what happens.
Hurlers need to kick on from last year, KK will be strong and there's a lot of counties that will feel they under-perfomed last year but we're good enough to do it

28-12-2014 12:25pm

Charlie69 wrote: »

Why not on the GAA forum?.. just curious

More out of habit at this stage. The first thread was opened on the Tipperary forum way back in 2010 so its just been kept here since.

28-12-2014 12:34pm

GerB40 wrote: »

I don't want to sound too optimistic, but Tipp will definitely win the All-Ireland next year

Until we begin to get a bit cuter and more ruthless we'll continue to be bridesmaids.

I feel its shít or get off the pot time for Noelie this year personally. Seriously talented hurler but fact is if he was a Kilkenny man he wouldnt be within a sniff of their team with his level of performances and ultimately that has been the difference between the two sides. They set the bar just that bit higher.

The penny finally dropped for Seamie last year but i feel all eyes are now firmly on Noel in 2015. I dont like to run down any amateur athlete but i would hate for him not to fulfill his undoubted potential for the sake of an extra few percent.

GerB40 · 28-12-2014 1:19pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Until we begin to get a bit cuter and more ruthless we'll continue to be bridesmaids.

I feel its shít or get off the pot time for Noelie this year personally. Seriously talented hurler but fact is if he was a Kilkenny man he wouldnt be within a sniff of their team with his level of performances and ultimately that has been the difference between the two sides. They set the bar just that bit higher.

The penny finally dropped for Seamie last year but i feel all eyes are now firmly on Noel in 2015. I dont like to run down any amateur athlete but i would hate for him not to fulfill his undoubted potential for the sake of an extra few percent.

It was a Fr Ted reference, believe me when I say I'm not so arrogant as to think Tipp have it in the bag for 2015. The team that worries me more than any other is Limerick. Once they start playing with a bit more consistency they're deadly. It's good to see Wexford playing well too but I doubt they'll be a major threat for Tipp. I'd give them a year or two.

I think Shane McGrath hit his stride a bit too late this year so perhaps we'll see a return of the 2009 McGrath. Hopefully anyway. Cathal Barrett has been a great solution to our traditional achilles heel, the backs. But your right, Noelie will need to play to his best. His 'on' days are superb but when he's not playin well he's useless..

On paper we have a mighty, powerful and skillful team than could beat anyone. But O Shea needs to be more ruthless. If someone's playing shít they need to be subbed.. If Eamon gets all the pieces together we are definitely in for a shot at Liam McCarthy but all the little mistakes from last year need to be rectified.

chunkylover95 · 28-12-2014 5:12pm

Think 2015 could be a big year for Forde and Niall O Meara, can see them as regulars come June. Would like to see a few more North lads added to the panel.

28-12-2014 8:48pm

chunkylover95 wrote: »

Think 2015 could be a big year for Forde and Niall O Meara, can see them as regulars come June. Would like to see a few more North lads added to the panel.

Id personally prefer to see the very best available added to the panel no matter where they are from. If my own club who have served the county well in recent times are deemed to have no one good enough then so be it but i cant help thinking that given the fact we have 66 adult hurling clubs we are seriously under utilised. There could be hidden gems in small junior clubs around the west and south of the county and sadly they will never get the chance to hurl at intercounty level. At a time where GAA is facing the competition from other codes the county board really need to start pulling the stops out and making the games more attractive to the children of today. The sad decline of GAA in both Cashel and Fethard should be a stark reminder of how nothing should be taken for granted.

evolving tipperary · 28-12-2014 9:37pm

I know a few lads won't like this - but I've been saying it for years - The sooner Noel concentrates on one sport the sooner we'll see him at his best for the hurlers...

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/burnout-reaches-breaking-point-30865612.html?utm_source=indoshare&utm_medium=socialoremail&utm_campaign=indoshare

28-12-2014 9:38pm

evolving tipperary wrote: »

I know a few lads won't like this - but I've been saying it for years - The sooner Noel concentrates on one sport the sooner we'll see him at his best for the hurlers...

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/burnout-reaches-breaking-point-30865612.html?utm_source=indoshare&utm_medium=socialoremail&utm_campaign=indoshare

It is possible that burnout is Noels issue.

evolving tipperary · 28-12-2014 11:37pm

It's a tough one - as he is performing at a high level - it's just we all know he is capable of being one of the best hurlers in the country - Has he won an All-star since 2010?

Charlie69 · 29-12-2014 12:28am

GerB40 wrote: »

Good point. Mods, get on the case....

Surprised at you Ger..

GerB40 · 29-12-2014 1:30am

Charlie69 wrote: »

Surprised at you Ger..

I surprise myself sometimes...

MentalMario · 29-12-2014 5:30pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Id personally prefer to see the very best available added to the panel no matter where they are from. If my own club who have served the county well in recent times are deemed to have no one good enough then so be it but i cant help thinking that given the fact we have 66 adult hurling clubs we are seriously under utilised. There could be hidden gems in small junior clubs around the west and south of the county and sadly they will never get the chance to hurl at intercounty level. At a time where GAA is facing the competition from other codes the county board really need to start pulling the stops out and making the games more attractive to the children of today. The sad decline of GAA in both Cashel and Fethard should be a stark reminder of how nothing should be taken for granted.

I agree 100% re the best being picked but in relation to hidden gems in rural clubs I'd like to add that with the way the development squads are now set up, it's very unlikely that there are any hidden gems left to unearth. Once in the system at u14/16 level they're getting more exposure now than they would have got 20 odd years ago. If they aren't in the system at that stage it's either the clubs fault or the lads over the divisional development squads fault.

We do need to find a few hurlers next year. Personally I think we need a goalkeeper. Although Gleeson won an All-Star, I don't think he's at the standard required.

We need to persevere with James Barry at full back. As the year went on, the better he got, in there.

From 2-9 I feel we've 9 hurlers who are very capable of holding down spots. Saint will possibly lose his place to Micky Cahill though, although I'd really like to see Cahill tried in Midfield for an extended period.

Paudie Maher needs to step up big time this year. Outstanding at times but brutal at times too.

We need to unearth another ball winning forward. It'll hopefully be Niall O' Meara. It'll probably push Lar/Noel McGrath/Gar Ryan out of the team but we need a least 1 more on top of O' Meara to come in. I'm not sure if Denis Maher is the answer. I'd like to see Collins, from Dom, get a good run in the League but I'm not sure if he has the pace. Jason Forde needs to step up this year, too.

Tipp had the same starting 15 for 4 or 5 games last year. There's something drastically wrong when that's the case.

evolving tipperary · 29-12-2014 7:20pm

I don't think there is anything drastically wrong when you're getting beaten in replays of ALL-Ireland finals... - the year before went wrong. Not this year - Kilkenny have a great squad not just team - how many counties around the country have great teams in either code never mind great squads - not many...

Tipp are not far away at all - you'd just worry that maybe coming teams Limerick and Clare might be better placed now in terms of age balance to their squads - we are a long time on the road now with this squad - have took a lot of defeats in big games - this squad might have missed their opportunity. That's the main worry, as far as I see it. Regardless of that point, Kilkenny are still raging hot favourites again this year - when you look at how the boys who came in for KK performed in the replay it just underlines their strength. Plus, they have excellent young players coming through. You'd imagine Walter Walsh will not be as bad again next year or will lose his squad place. He'll be back with a bang. Limerick will come on again - Clare will be back - have too much talent not to. Cork are figuring things out.

We need two tough men for the forwards - O'Riordan, Bill Walsh (good paw on him and strong but needs to improve his ball skills and running off the ball though), and Niall O'Meara (it's a shame Buggy can't sort his discipline out) are worth looking at - no reason bonner can't improve his hand passing and ball striking either. Collins has been tried before but has not made it yet... - Hoefully, Denis Maher can come on again...

chunkylover95 · 29-12-2014 10:12pm

I think Gleeson is fine he has made the position his own and settled, he was phenomenal in the semi last year and in the replay he was in many people opinion our best on the day. Who would you put in for him, Egan? Logue? I can see where you're coming from but to chop and change the gk position again would be highly unnecessary.
It would be good to see O'Riordan this year alright but playing dual will always be tough. Ronan Maher could have a big say this year, he was serious for Thurles Sars.

Xenophile · 30-12-2014 8:53am

Charlie69 wrote: »

Why not on the GAA forum?.. just curious

Would agree and furthermore it should not change from year to year, it should be allowed to run on from year to year until it reaches it's maximum number of posts. It would make it a lot easier for future researchers to find the facts and contemporary comment being made at the time.

In the meantime thanks to everyone who has made a positive contribution here and long may they continue to do so.

Happy New Year Everyone.

buggy beag · 01-01-2015 9:52pm

tipp playing wexford in cashel jan 11th in leahy park

GerB40 · 01-01-2015 11:12pm

buggy beag wrote: »

tipp playing wexford in cashel jan 11th in leahy park

That should be a good game. I was delighted to see Wexfords improvement last year. They're a proud hurling county who deserve more than they've got in the last few years.

This game is by no means a certainty. Tipp will be experimenting with a couple of the younger lads who know full well that this is the last time they'll get to impress Eamon Ó Shea. And if they want to play championship hurling this year they'll undoubtedly want to play out of their skin.

Wexford on the other hand will just want to win.

I reckon experience will be a major factor so we should win it. But I'm just happy that the hurling is back soon. Hopefully Tipp can keep up with the standards they set themselves last year..

2015 here we come!!!!

evolving tipperary · 01-01-2015 11:47pm

Id imagine it will be very experimental from both sides - There'll be lots of opportunities for players in the pre-league tournaments to try get a place in the squad for the league....

Paddico · 06-01-2015 2:53pm

Good win for Tipp U-21 footballers in the Hastings Cup.
Massive expectations for this squad for 2015. A Munster win would do nicely but they have potential to go a lot further.

https://tipperary.gaa.ie/hastings-cup-21-football-tipperary-1-6-kildare-1-5/

Spirit of 67 · 06-01-2015 4:09pm

Paddico wrote: »

Good win for Tipp U-21 footballers in the Hastings Cup.
Massive expectations for this squad for 2015. A Munster win would do nicely but they have potential to go a lot further.

https://tipperary.gaa.ie/hastings-cup-21-football-tipperary-1-6-kildare-1-5/

Good few lads there from last year , very little training done yet though by any of the Under 21 Counties .

Spirit of 67 · 06-01-2015 4:15pm

OAOB wrote: »

No reason i don't think, it started here about 5 years ago so this just became home for the Tipp GAA thread

Have to feel we'll do well this year in both codes, footballers should be pushing to finish top half of division 3 and to give Kerry a good rattle, see what happens.
Hurlers need to kick on from last year, KK will be strong and there's a lot of counties that will feel they under-perfomed last year but we're good enough to do it

Footballers are 2nd Favorites to win Division 3 behind Armagh who are odds on , if they play the type of football they did last year they should go up . Some great Forwards but the defence needs to tighten up .

PlayByTheRules · 06-01-2015 6:26pm

Question for ye Tipp folk, will EOS persist with James Barry at full back for 2015? He didn't look that comfortable in there to me. More of a wing back for sure.

chocaholic04 · 07-01-2015 11:22am

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/tipperary-prepare-for-league-without-cahill-and-barry-30888333.html

Barry out until March and Cahill for possibly longer

PlayByTheRules · 07-01-2015 12:38pm

Answers my question I suppose, let's see who is experimented with. Mickey will be a big loss for ye, I wish him all the best, felt he deserved more game time in those finals, even up front to win a bit of ball.

Paddico · 07-01-2015 1:15pm

Spirit of 67 wrote: »

Good few lads there from last year , very little training done yet though by any of the Under 21 Counties .

I think only Michael Quinlivin is missing from last years team.

The Tipperary minor football team to play Kerry (2012) in Sunday’s Electric Ireland Munster championship final at Pairc na nGael, Limerick is:
1. Evan Comerford (Clonmel Commercials)
2. Darren Cass (Clonmel Commercials)
3. James Feehan (Killeneule)
4. Lorcan Egan (Loughmore Castleiney)
5. Kevin Fahey (Clonmel Commercials)
6. Dylan Fitzelle (Cashel King Cormacs) CAPTAIN
7. Bill Maher (Kilsheelan Kilcash)
8. Steven O’Brien (Ballina)
9. Ian Fahey (Clonmel Commercials)
10. Jason Lonergan (Clonmel Commercials)
11. John Martin (Ballyporeen)
12. Greg Henry (Killenaule)
13. Colman Kennedy (Clonmel Commercials)
14. Philip Quirke (Moyle Rovers)
15. Tom Kirwan (Ardfinnan)

evolving tipperary · 07-01-2015 2:29pm

Should be an opportunity to get an extended look at both Breen and Meagher provided they stay injury free...

evolving tipperary · 07-01-2015 4:49pm

http://balls.ie/gaa/492374-hurling-rules-proposals/

New rulings

evolving tipperary · 08-01-2015 12:41am

The Tipperary Senior Hurling management team have announced that Brendan Maher (Borris-Ileigh) will remain as Captain for the 2015 season. Padraic Maher (Thurles Sarsfields) has been confirmed as the team vice-captain.

OAOB · 08-01-2015 8:58am

Happy with those two lads. Brendan should be more comfortable with the role this year with the experience he gained last year

Paddico · 08-01-2015 2:52pm

Senior footballers in action as well this weekend.
Repeat of last years fixture vs Cork

http://munster.gaa.ie/2015/01/05/mcgrath-cup-quarter-final-tipperary-v-cork/

08-01-2015 5:56pm

PlayByTheRules wrote: »

Question for ye Tipp folk, will EOS persist with James Barry at full back for 2015? He didn't look that comfortable in there to me. More of a wing back for sure.

Nah I think no 3 is up for grabs. Paul Curran staying on this year so even he won't rule himself out. John Meagher or Michael Breen may well stake a claim should they stay fit

08-01-2015 6:08pm

Paddico wrote: »

Senior footballers in action as well this weekend.
Repeat of last years fixture vs Cork

http://munster.gaa.ie/2015/01/05/mcgrath-cup-quarter-final-tipperary-v-cork/

Would be a good game to watch if I wasn't working Sunday

evolving tipperary · 08-01-2015 10:13pm

With a it more experience there - there is no reason why Barry can't improve at 3 - he's one cool customer - worth a place in the team

Hamill would want to start staking a claim for some time on the pitch - needs to fill out though

Shouldn't forget about O'Mahony either

GerB40 · 09-01-2015 1:27am

I hope that Mikey Heffernan gets a chance this year. He's amazing for Nenagh Éire Óg but with the competition for places on the panel I just don't know.

Same with Paddy Murphy. His nerves used to be his problem but on his day he's a fúckin tank. I suppose it just comes down to who impresses more in training.

Obviously my bias towards Nenagh Èire Óg might have my views skewed somewhat but those two lads are marvellous hurlers and I can see Ó Shea giving them a chance to impress. Of course if they don't make the cut then fair enough, obviously there were better players that shone. Fair is fair...

The Lost Sheep · 09-01-2015 1:51am

GerB40 wrote: »

I hope that Mikey Heffernan gets a chance this year. He's amazing for Nenagh Éire Óg but with the competition for places on the panel I just don't know.

Same with Paddy Murphy. His nerves used to be his problem but on his day he's a fúckin tank. I suppose it just comes down to who impresses more in training.

Obviously my bias towards Nenagh Èire Óg might have my views skewed somewhat but those two lads are marvellous hurlers and I can see Ó Shea giving them a chance to impress. Of course if they don't make the cut then fair enough, obviously there were better players that shone. Fair is fair...

I would have Paddy involved more than Mikey but both deserve to be looked at for squad places. Paddy is more than a tank. Fabulous athlete. He got a raw deal from a lot of supporters on previous performances with the senior team some of which went very personal and I think he is more than up to this level.

09-01-2015 2:16am

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

I would have Paddy involved more than Mikey but both deserve to be looked at for squad places. Paddy is more than a tank. Fabulous athlete. He got a raw deal from a lot of supporters on previous performances with the senior team some of which went very personal and I think he is more than up to this level.

My own personal opinion is that he isnt good enough for senior county level. I seen absolutely nothing to suggest otherwise. Well and good tearing it up for Nenagh in the club championship but this is a whole new level. Perhaps he will be a 'late developer' but at 25 i really cant see much more room for improvement. Id hardly think that either the Kilkenny defence or any other defence would be too apprehensive about the prospects of marking him. Puts in great effort but your hardly talking about a lad who can get you 3+ points per game. He got many goes in the league and id say 2 was a stretch. No disrespect to the guy but he just doesnt bring enough to the table for me.

Denis Maher who genuinely offered more can feel alot more disgruntled then Murphy for his own exclusion last year. He can win his own ball and take on backs. How is was dropped and marginalised in the manner which he was was absolultely astounding last year. Totally undeserved.

Mikey Heffernan is a very stylish hurler but is perhaps like many others we have a bit 'too nice' to make the step up.

The Lost Sheep · 09-01-2015 2:26am

Deleted User wrote: »

My own personal opinion is that he isnt good enough for senior county level. I seen absolutely nothing to suggest otherwise. Well and good tearing it up for Nenagh in the club championship but this is a whole new level. Perhaps he will be a 'late developer' but at 25 i really cant see much more room for improvement. Id hardly think that either the Kilkenny defence or any other defence would be too apprehensive about the prospects of marking him. Puts in great effort but your hardly talking about a lad who can get you 3+ points per game. He got many goes in the league and id say 2 was a stretch. No disrespect to the guy but he just doesnt bring enough to the table for me.

Denis Maher who genuinely offered more can feel alot more disgruntled then Murphy for his own exclusion last year. He can win his own ball and take on backs. How is was dropped and marginalised in the manner which he was was absolultely astounding last year. Totally undeserved.

Mikey Heffernan is a very stylish hurler but is perhaps like many others we have a bit 'too nice' to make the step up.

Why did you highlight part of my post and not discuss what you highlighted.

That's fair enough that you have that view but I would disagree. That he (in your words) is "tearing it up" in the club championship shows he should be looked at at the next level. Perhaps he isn't but consecutive county coaches think otherwise on PM.

09-01-2015 2:44am

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Why did you highlight part of my post and not discuss what you highlighted.

That's fair enough that you have that view but I would disagree. That he (in your words) is "tearing it up" in the club championship shows he should be looked at at the next level. Perhaps he isn't but consecutive county coaches think otherwise on PM.

Its just that i sort of fail to see where you think people were being personal with him. i did compare him to a soccer counterpart Yaya Sanogo last year in that he is a game lad but but lacks the technical ability for the high standards set around him.

The Lost Sheep · 09-01-2015 2:49am

Deleted User wrote: »

Its just that i sort of fail to see where you think people were being personal with him. i did compare him to a soccer counterpart Yaya Sanogo last year in that he is a game lad but but lacks the technical ability for the high standards set around him.

Well im going on the testimony of his parents and friends who were in the stands and had people beside them give him such abuse and I will take their word on it as the truth as I doubt they would make up something like that
He doesn't lack the technical ability. I played against him through the age groups and he didn't lack the technical ability. Coaches at all the age groups up from u14 and up to senior don't think so either so I highly doubt he lacks the technical ability.

09-01-2015 2:53am

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Well im going on the testimony of his parents and friends who were in the stands and had people beside them give him such abuse and I will take their word on it as the truth as I doubt they would make up something like that
He doesn't lack the technical ability. I played against him through the age groups and he didn't lack the technical ability. Coaches at all the age groups up from u14 and up to senior don't think so either so I highly doubt he lacks the technical ability.

At Senior intercounty he doesnt seem to be up to speed. Maybe when he has the room he has the technical ability but at the very highest level he lacks something.

Its not right that his parents etc had to endure listening to that nonsense to be honest.

buggy beag · 09-01-2015 11:43am

two hurling matches in the one weekend spolit we are tank fook its starting again darts over bring on the hurling

evolving tipperary · 09-01-2015 6:16pm

The Tipperary SH team to play Mary I tonight at 7.30pm in Dr Morris Park is Darragh Egan, Joe O Dwyer, Paul Curran, Conor O Brien, Shane McGrath, Thomas Stapelton, Paudraic Maher, Kieran Bergin, Gearoid Ryan, Denis Maher, Liam Treacy, Bonner Maher, Shane Bourke, Seamus Callanan, David Butler.

evolving tipperary · 09-01-2015 10:03pm

Waterford Crystal Cup SH Preliminary Round Result - Tipperary 4-15 Mary Immaculate College 1-16

09-01-2015 10:12pm

evolving tipperary wrote: »

Waterford Crystal Cup SH Preliminary Round Result - Tipperary 4-15 Mary Immaculate College 1-16

In truth most of these games at this time of year are warmups and its hard to really gauge how much of an impact some of the lads will make when it comes down to the crunch. Also the weather is rough out.

The Lost Sheep · 09-01-2015 10:14pm

If its rough enough to be playing rugby tonight then I don't know what to say about hurling. Doubt much would have been learned playing in such crappy conditions

09-01-2015 10:18pm

evolving tipperary wrote: »

With a it more experience there - there is no reason why Barry can't improve at 3 - he's one cool customer - worth a place in the team

Hamill would want to start staking a claim for some time on the pitch - needs to fill out though

Shouldn't forget about O'Mahony either

We have a luxury of players to pick from at the backs. Competition is ferocious. If only the forwards were the same. Mouse could be a one to watch

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