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Why the need to play at loud volume ??
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26-02-2012 2:15pm#1I am talking here about your small average pub venue as against a major concert venue like the "O2".
I have long since taken to bringing ear plugs to gigs, to try to hold on to what little hearing I have left. The reason as to why it is necessary to play so loud has always puzzled me. Even with the band I'm in at present, I am constantly asking the others..."lets try it at a lower volume lads." At this stage the lads seem to have realised that the music can sound much clearer when played at lower volume, as apart from a sheet of indistinguishable sound coming at you like a tsunami. At our last two gigs we dropped the volume below our usual. All the band members agreed it sounded better and we received no negative feed back because of it. Granted, there has to be some volume, and every venue will be different, but is "raise the roof" sound, that can be heard outside at fifty meters really necessary ???
I can foresee the usual arguments already, like "XYZ type of music needs to be played loud", or "it's up to the soundman.." Perhaps, but why does the soundman feel the need to force people to listen at the volumes that I describe above ??
Granted, I'll never see twenty again,
but even at that age ( back in the Jurassic period 
), I still had the same opinion.
Anyone else feel the same ?0
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Yeah it is. The one and only I have ever come across
If you're at the back you can't hear them at all. You'd want to be up close. They are a good band too. I think they are low cos it's an older man doing the main signing with his son and his son's friend. But they are very good and will turn up the volume when asked. The thing that puzzles me is they play there regularly and still set it so low in the beginning even tho they get asked to turn it up every time 0 -
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Its simple:
a crap band sounds better loud.
Venues with crap acoustics use Volume to make up for the ****e sound.
Bad sound engineers use volume to make up for their lack of sound engineering skills.
I do know of two Irish bands that are quite good and EXTREMELY LOUD at all their live gigs. This is because they are deaf.
I'd agree with most of this, though I too know of good bands who are very loud. Perhaps if enough people let a band know that their ears were being blasted off, they might ( though it's doubtful ) get the message.
It is not just live bands either. I was once at a 21st party where the DJ was playing at a ridiculously loud volume. The person whose birthday it was, asked him three times to lower it. Each time it was lowered a tiny (almost unnoticeable) fraction, only to be hired up again within about five minutes.
I'm at a loss to understand why.
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Herb Powell wrote: »Surprised no one has mentioned that any band that uses a drumkit has a minimum volume to play at.
Drums are loud.
Another old chestnut of an excuse that always comes up.
Drums are not loud, drummers are , and a band has to compensate for that, but does this mean that a band playing a small venue (as in your average pub) has to use the maximum volume to play at. If the answer is yes, then someone needs to have a word with the drummer IMO. Band members trying to out do each other volume wise, instead of playing together as a unit, seems to be half the problem. 0 -
Another old chestnut of an excuse that always comes up. Drums are not loud, drummers are , and a band has to compensate for that, but does this mean that a band playing a small venue (as in your average pub) has to use the maximum volume to play at. If the answer is yes, then someone needs to have a word with the drummer IMO. Band members trying to out do each other volume wise, instead of playing together as a unit, seems to be half the problem.
but if you hit the drums softly you wont get a good sound from them im a drummer and we have never got any complaints about volume, but saying that when we are in smaller pubs we bring an electric kit, but its still not as good a sound as an acoustic kit so with drums. The quieter your go the less quality is in the sound.0 -
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benestoria2 wrote: »if the music is too loud your too old simple as!
LOL !! Well, that's what some might say alright, but IMO it is yet another chestnut of an excuse that's trotted out now and then, to try to explain (unsuccssfully) why bands feel the need to play at a loud volume.
I know lots of people who are much younger than I, who agree with me. Also, as I stated in the first post, I have held this view from a young age.0 -
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I'm sure you are correct in what you say. It seems wrong that a paying audience should be at the mercy of a "cowboy" sound engineer where volume is concerned though. At the end of the day, it is the band's reputation that's at stake here, so they should have some input.
Usually when your at a gig where a bad engineer is at the helm that band make that known with continuous complaints. An audience will usually pick up on whether a band are having issues with sound on stage. When it comes to off stage it is very hard for a band to know what the situation is really unless the band likes to wander into the crowd and can hear for themselves or by listening to support etc.
The reality is that these mid sized venues dont want to be paying the cash for a good in house engineer. I think the going rate a night is 80euro which i dont think is a good motivator.
For bigger gigs bands should really have their own engineer that knows their songs inside out.
Once again though the loudness issue is really down to an inadequate engineer. Its not the bands fault unless the engineer is sick of them asking to be "louder, louder" and just caves in to their annoying demands. 0 -
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