Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12 MOD POST #1130

cson · 28-05-2012 1:49am

djfitzerjnr wrote: »

Just look at this team of Rafa transfers and don't tell me that it would not challenge, even still today.
Reina
Johnson----Agger----Skrtel----Arbeloa
Lucas----Masch---Alonso
Kuyt
Torres
Yossi

I'm going to tell you that team wouldn't challenge today.

You'd concede **** all, I'll give you that, but you wouldn't be winning any leagues with it.

Jesus Wept · 28-05-2012 1:51am

I don't think that was Rafa's vision for the 11 he was working towards, no the formation.

Gbear · 28-05-2012 1:53am

CL7 wrote: »

Why do opposition fans take the piss out of Liverpool supporters when we used net spend to defend Benitez's transfer dealings? I've never understood this. It's the only figure that makes any sense to me but I could be missing something.

The details of the argument are irrelevant. If the Liverpool manager says that the sky is blue you'll get a load of mancs or whoever going on about what a gob****e he is and why it's actually mauve. And of course vice-versa.

The more emotive an issue is the harder it is for anyone to be rational about it.

Sappy404 · 28-05-2012 9:05am

If Martinez has called a presser for Tuesday and we're still interviewing (as per reports on Rogers) is it safe to assume Roberto will be staying at Wigan?

Morzadec · 28-05-2012 9:10am

Lads what's happened for Klopp to come in so short?

He's around 2/1 or 3/1 now

LuckyLloyd · 28-05-2012 9:15am

Sappy404 wrote: »

If Martinez has called a presser for Tuesday and we're still interviewing (as per reports on Rogers) is it safe to assume Roberto will be staying at Wigan?

Martinez will be announced as the new manager / head coach tomorrow and he'll explain at his presser how the owners impressed him with their 'vision' for the club and how excited he is at being part of the DOF / Coach structure etc, etc

Morzadec wrote: »

Lads what's happened for Klopp to come in so short?

He's around 2/1 or 3/1 now

Meh, someone moved the markets. As Dub13 noted a while back - those markets are meaningless.

amiable · 28-05-2012 9:16am

Morzadec wrote: »

Lads what's happened for Klopp to come in so short?

He's around 2/1 or 3/1 now

Probably cos Talksport are claiming or one of their presenters that Klopp will be the next Liverpool manager.
The thing is all the media are guessing and the only confirmed candidate seemed to be Martinez from the meeting with John Henry that was pictured.
And even then Henry may not have been impressed. It's all guess work and FSG seem to have kept it all in house which is good IMO.

Sappy404 · 28-05-2012 9:18am

Morzadec wrote: »

Lads what's happened for Klopp to come in so short?

He's around 2/1 or 3/1 now

Wondered that myself. Here's the jist of what I've read so far on it:

‏@JimBoardman

All I've seen about Klopp to LFC is someone from TalkSport mentioning it + claims it's in German media. Where in German media?

‏@JimBoardman

@maccer10 I don't know who it is, just saying I've not seen anything convincing so far that says it's Klopp or that we've made a decision.

So basically talkSport are the only ones going with it.

It's bizarre that Klopp and Rogers are both mentioned today despite both ruling themselves out a week ago.

Update: Talksport on Klopp to Liverpool: http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/extra-time/120528/kreger-jurgen-klopps-liverpool-future-173068?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Morzadec · 28-05-2012 9:19am

Looks like Sigurdsonn is set for a permanent move to Swansea for £7.2m

I know he was linked to us before, and to be honest I'm disappointed we haven't got him. At that price he looks a bargain especially when you looks at what we paid for an older Adam and Henderson

Fromthetrees · 28-05-2012 9:20am

Dotsey wrote: »

the figures I have off the reliable LFC history are.

Total bought: £231,651,000 on 58 players
Total sold: £161,700,000 on 72 players
Total net spend: £69,951,000
Average net per season: £11,658,500

Although 58 players bought seems a lot for six seasons you have to list off the likes of Hobbs, Idrizaj, Roque, Barragan, Martin, Ajdarevic, Brouwer, Duran, Nemeth, Anderson, San Jose, Ayala and Dalla Valle who although very small fees were paid they were all young players and apart from a few games each for Ayala and Hobbs none made it to our first team. Although Hobbs, San Jose, Barragan, Anderson and Ayala were sold on for a considerable profit.

You have to factor in Champs League success 2005 and runners up in 2007, semi finalists in 2008 and quarter finallists in 2009 and Europa semi finalists in 2010 because of the prize money and TV money that was earned through successive stints into the latter stages of Europe. Rafa's reign was on the whole a profitable period for the club it's a pity H&G ran the club into the ground though.

You talk about buying strikers and I agree but we had to sell Cisse, Morientes, Bellamy and Garcia to buy Torres in the first place. It was a case of sacrificing decent players and squad depth to buy a world class player. Crouch wanted to head back to London and Keane was a disaster and thankfully we only lost £3m on him. Financial constraints made it impossible to buy a decent striker, our first choice XI from 2007 until 2009 was top notch but we had no squad depth.

Torres was bought in 2007 though and I'm saying they lacked a second striker in 2009, he did spend relatively big money every summer he was there, I think he spent it on the wrong position. I have said that Rafas reign was probably a profitably one when you count the players he brought in and have not yet been sold.
This is where I got the 'almost 80 players in 6 years from'.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1221975/Rafa-Benitezs-229m-spending-spree-The-76-players-signed-Liverpool-managers-reign.html
I'm not going to dispute each buy and sell all I'm saying after buying that amount of players in that length of time to not have a back up for Torres (and challenge for the title?) was a massive mistake.

Fromthetrees · 28-05-2012 9:25am

CL7 wrote: »

Why do opposition fans take the piss out of Liverpool supporters when we used net spend to defend Benitez's transfer dealings? I've never understood this. It's the only figure that makes any sense to me but I could be missing something.

I'm a Liverpool fan and I said his net spend figure is actually more impressive than what was posted.
Does that mean I think Rafa is the right man to get in again, absolutely not.

Fromthetrees · 28-05-2012 9:42am

Gbear wrote: »

The details of the argument are irrelevant. If the Liverpool manager says that the sky is blue you'll get a load of mancs or whoever going on about what a gob****e he is and why it's actually mauve. And of course vice-versa.

The more emotive an issue is the harder it is for anyone to be rational about it.

Are there a lot of mancs on boards?

CL7 · 28-05-2012 9:46am

Fromthetrees wrote: »

I'm a Liverpool fan and I said his net spend figure is actually more impressive than what was posted.
Does that mean I think Rafa is the right man to get in again, absolutely not.

No No, I didn't mean you at all. I did read your post.

It was a genuine question.

spockety · 28-05-2012 9:50am

CL7 wrote: »

Why do opposition fans take the piss out of Liverpool supporters when we used net spend to defend Benitez's transfer dealings? I've never understood this. It's the only figure that makes any sense to me but I could be missing something.

I buy a Ford Mondeo for 30K cash.

I trade it in the following year for another new Ford Mondeo for 30K. (Garage gives me 20K for the old one)

I trade that one in the following year for another new Ford Mondeo for 30K. (Garage gives me 20K for the old one)

I trade that one in the following year for another new Ford Mondeo for 30K. (Garage gives me 20K for the old one)

I trade that one in the following year for another new Ford Mondeo for 30K. (Garage gives me 20K for the old one)

So I've just spent 150K on my car purchases. Am I driving a f**king Ferrari? No, I'm still driving a Mondeo.

People who dismiss net spend are either morons, or being deliberately "difficult".

amiable · 28-05-2012 9:51am

From the bloke on Talksport that claims Liverpool are in for Klopp

My Liverpool source has also confirmed the Reds are genuinely interested in signing Edinson Cavani from Napoli

mike65 · 28-05-2012 9:55am

Net Spend is so 2009

Can we move on or will there need to be a Truth and Reconciliation process?

Seamu$ · 28-05-2012 10:05am

amiable wrote: »

My Liverpool source has also confirmed the Reds are genuinely interested in signing Edinson Cavani from Napoli

I'm sure we are, but has he any interest in coming to play for us?!

amiable · 28-05-2012 10:08am

Seamu$ wrote: »

I'm sure we are, but has he any interest in coming to play for us?!

The way you quoted it makes it look like I have a Liverpool source

Sappy404 · 28-05-2012 10:11am

amiable wrote: »

From the bloke on Talksport that claims Liverpool are in for Klopp

Serious talk of a summer move for Cavani back in January. It went out the window when we finished 8th though. Lavezzi (likely) moving means Cavani probably won't, too.

murpho999 · 28-05-2012 10:18am

Still only rumours but surely Klopp taikng Anfield job would be a a marriage made in tabloid heaven.

"Klopp Drops Kop Flop"

"Klopp Mops Up as Kop go Top"

Etc,,etc...the puns are endless and that's without saying anything about him being German,

Makes me think it's just destined to happen.

spockety · 28-05-2012 10:22am

murpho999 wrote: »

Still only rumours but surely Klopp taikng Anfield job would be a a marriage made in tabloid heaven.

"Klopp Drops Kop Flop"

"Klopp Mops Up as Kop go Top"

Etc,,etc...the puns are endless and that's without saying anything about him being German,

Makes me think it's just destined to happen.

"KLOPP THAT!"

Morzadec · 28-05-2012 10:24am

Top of the Klopps

missingtime · 28-05-2012 10:24am

I'm a bit Jordan Henderson?!?! I thought that Klopp said he wasnt interested in the job.

cson · 28-05-2012 10:26am

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Meh, someone moved the markets. As Dub13 noted a while back - those markets are meaningless.

Spot on, couple of hundred quid could be enough to move someone in 10pts or so. And they'll all follow like the sheep they are.

missingtime · 28-05-2012 10:28am

Andy Heaton ‏@Andrew_Heaton
No Martinez press conference tomorrow then

http://www.wigantoday.net/sport/wigan-athletic/martinez-s-future-is-still-uncertain-1-4591278

THE future of Wigan Athletic boss Roberto Martinez remains very much up in the air, as the Spaniard continues to soak up the sun in Barbados.

It was widely reported on Sunday that Latics would be holding a press conference this coming Tuesday during which Martinez would reveal whether or not he will stay at the club.

However, the Evening Post can reveal that is NOT the case – and club officials are baffled as to where these reports have come from, and how they have been taken as gospel. The 38-year-old met Liverpool’s owners in Miami last Thursday to discuss the managerial vacancy at Anfield, but it’s understood he’s still not made up his mind whether to accept that challenge.

mike65 · 28-05-2012 10:32am

Who floated the Presser? Dave Whelan-Dhealan ?

Sappy404 · 28-05-2012 10:41am

mike65 wrote: »

Who floated the Presser? Dave Whelan-Dhealan ?

When you think about it, it's not exactly Wigan's (read: Dave Whelan's) MO to keep news to themselves for 3 days. If there's anything to report about Martinez, we'll hear about it as soon as Whelan can get SSN on the phone.

Kess73 · 28-05-2012 10:45am

Morzadec wrote: »

Lads what's happened for Klopp to come in so short?

He's around 2/1 or 3/1 now

One or two medium sized bets would see his odds drop to a massive degree and then the market would follow.

Would love to be wrong, but I think there is no chance at all of getting Klopp. He is building his own team, and being let to do so at Dortmund.

His team has won the Bundesliga two years in a row now, with last season seeing them win the domestic double and also the record amount of points taken in a league season. This coming season he has the chance to lead Dortmund to three league titles in a row, something the club has never done.

Would be stunned if he would consider leaving a Dortmund team that broke a number of German records last season for Liverpool tbh, unless there were some mindblowing assurances made with regards to what players he could buy etc.

Methinks anyone who places a bet on him being the next Liverpool manager is just throwing money away.

ush · 28-05-2012 10:46am

Louis van Gaal as DOF

Klopp as manager

Lavezzi & Cavani

A boy can dream can't he?

amiable · 28-05-2012 10:48am

Kess73 wrote: »

Methinks anyone who places a bet on him being the next Liverpool manager is just throwing money away.

Unless you backed him at at the large prices on the exchanges and you now lay off the bet

ush · 28-05-2012 10:49am

Kess73 wrote: »

Methinks anyone who places a bet on him being the next Liverpool manager is just throwing money away.

Gambling is bad, M'kay.

qvsr46ofgc792k · 28-05-2012 10:53am

Kess73 wrote: »

Methinks anyone who places a bet on him being the next Liverpool manager is just throwing money away.

I think everyone thinks that, so is does make you wonder why all of a sudden people have taken a punt?

D'Agger · 28-05-2012 10:56am

Jazlynn Lively Handbag wrote: »

I think everyone thinks that, so is does make you wonder why all of a sudden people have taken a punt?

Because people are idiots :pac:

Vudgie · 28-05-2012 10:58am

Until I see Klopp walking hand-in-hand with John W in Miami I refuse to believe it!!!!!!

Kess73 · 28-05-2012 11:06am

Jazlynn Lively Handbag wrote: »

I think everyone thinks that, so is does make you wonder why all of a sudden people have taken a punt?

The same reason why many people started lobbing money on Ribery joining Liverpool a couple of seasons back when his odds shortened all of a sudden.

mike65 · 28-05-2012 11:09am

Klopp is now 5/2 (drifting now!) yet Bert van Marwijk is 40/1 and higher and he is apparently interested.

amiable · 28-05-2012 11:11am

mike65 wrote: »

Klopp is now 5/2 (drifting now!) yet Bert van Marwijk is 40/1 and higher and he is apparently interested.

85/1 on Betfair

CL7 · 28-05-2012 11:14am

I don't know who Bert van Marwijk is but I'm not taking any chances. *Rings Paddy Power*

mike65 · 28-05-2012 11:15am

CL7 wrote: »

I don't know who Bert van Marwijk is but I'm not taking any chances. *Rings Paddy Power*

/shakes head\

The Dutch manager (win rate 90%).

LuckyLloyd · 28-05-2012 11:18am

CL7 wrote: »

I don't know who Bert van Marwijk is but I'm not taking any chances. *Rings Paddy Power*

Would be a faaar more impressive appointment than Martinez fwiw...

klose · 28-05-2012 11:18am

Hasent been a good net spend debate in a good while, great to see...

Kess73 · 28-05-2012 11:23am

mike65 wrote: »

/shakes head\

The Dutch manager (win rate 90%).

Err what?

mike65 · 28-05-2012 11:29am

Taking out friendlies, the Dutch team has won all but two games under him I think. I suspect his Feyenoord stats are not quite as good.

Vicxas · 28-05-2012 11:35am

My god instead of thinning the herd the tabloids just seem to want to throw names into a hat and report on it!

Dr Galen · 28-05-2012 11:37am

Vicxas wrote: »

My god instead of thinning the herd the tabloids just seem to want to throw names into a hat and report on it!

Why is anyone surprised at this? It sells newspaper, gets hits to websites etc etc.

While a bit of speculation is good craic, seriously, take everything that you are reading that isn't a direct quote with an Andy Carroll sized pinch of salt

Kess73 · 28-05-2012 11:39am

mike65 wrote: »

Taking out friendlies, the Dutch team has lost 2 games under him I think. I suspect his Feyenoord stats are not quite as good.

Ahh that makes more sense alright if you are discounting friendlies. His record in competitive games since 2008 is impressive alright. Not one draw in a competitive game since 2008 as well.

He does seem to be able to get that team to switch on more for the competive games. In friendly games his team has lost only 3 games from 25 since 2008, but there are also 10 draws in there.

His Feyenoord stats are pretty good as well though, over his two spells as manager there (220 games) he has a win % of almost 62%. But his record in Germany as manager of Dortmund is not so impressive as he had them in midtable pretty much for all of his time there. Actually what his time at Dortmund (along with the shorter spells of Doll and Rober) does do is highlight just how much impact Klopp had at the club in terms of turning a midtable team into back to back title winners.

Vicxas · 28-05-2012 11:40am

Dr Galen wrote: »

Why is anyone surprised at this? It sells newspaper, gets hits to websites etc etc.

While a bit of speculation is good craic, seriously, take everything that you are reading that isn't a direct quote with an Andy Carroll sized pinch of salt

I think we should email The Sun and tell them that Roy Keane wants the job, see how far we can run with this!

Luckycharms_74 · 28-05-2012 11:42am

Vudgie wrote: »

Until I see Klopp walking hand-in-hand with John W in Miami I refuse to believe it!!!!!!

Seeing is believing

Vudgie · 28-05-2012 11:43am

Luckycharms_74 wrote: »

Seeing is believing

*faints*

Kess73 · 28-05-2012 11:50am

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Would be a faaar more impressive appointment than Martinez fwiw...

Would not be keen on him to be honest. I think his impressive stats with the Dutch national team paper over a lot of cracks in his close to 30 years as a manager.

Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12 MOD POST #1130

Comments