Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12-Jan 2012 onwards

Dublin_Gunner · 29-01-2012 10:07pm

Crazy Horse 6 wrote: »

Given Kenny's interviews of recent i doubt Carroll is going anywhere unless he's asking to be moved on.

Like you ever get anything of substance out of a Kenny interview lol

Crazy Horse 6 · 29-01-2012 10:09pm

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

Like you ever get anything of substance out of a Kenny interview lol

True that

donfers · 29-01-2012 10:20pm

carroll to spurs and cavani to pool would be ok I guess although I don't rate Cavani as highly as most

possibly we'd only get Lennon + a few million or Pav + a few million for Carroll or maybe Pav+Lennon for Carroll + a few million, Pienaar and Krancjar also possibilities and Defoe is liked by Pool so could also be

Defoe+1 of Pienaar/Krancjar for Carroll

everdead.ie · 29-01-2012 10:24pm

donfers wrote: »

carroll to spurs and cavani to pool would be ok I guess although I don't rate Cavani as highly as most

possibly we'd only get Lennon + a few million or Pav + a few million for Carroll or maybe Pav+Lennon for Carroll + a few million, Pienaar and Krancjar also possibilities and Defoe is liked by Pool so could also be

Defoe+1 of Pienaar/Krancjar for Carroll

You would get at most Pav for Carroll certainly wouldn't get a few million with that though maybe Pieenar and a few million to be honest would be a terrible transfer for us would end up like Dos Santos to eager to party than and drink then play.

amiable · 29-01-2012 10:36pm

everdead.ie wrote: »

You would get at most Pav for Carroll certainly wouldn't get a few million with that though maybe Pieenar and a few million to be honest would be a terrible transfer for us would end up like Dos Santos to eager to party than and drink then play.

Pav is 30 now? I doubt a straight swap would be on there.

opr · 29-01-2012 10:37pm

Barrett supposedly going to have a story on Carroll in The Times tomorrow. Rumour that it is about Spurs are already in talks with us to buy Andy.

Edit - If true we must have a replacement lined up ?

Opr

amiable · 29-01-2012 10:39pm

opr wrote: »

Barrett supposedly going to have a story on Carroll in The Times tomorrow. Rumour that it is about Spurs are already in talks with us to buy Andy.

Opr

Rumour is 18 million plus add ons

Outkast_IRE · 29-01-2012 10:41pm

amiable wrote: »

Rumour is 18 million plus add ons

hope its not true , i would be more than happy to see him with us till the summer at least.

opr · 29-01-2012 10:43pm

amiable wrote: »

Rumour is 18 million plus add ons

It may turn out to be bollox but I would take that. In fairness they are much better setup to utilise Andy's strengths.

Opr

amiable · 29-01-2012 10:46pm

opr wrote: »

Edit - If true we must have a replacement lined up ?

Opr

I'd imagine that would be the case. Is the transfer window about to kickstart?

5starpool · 29-01-2012 10:47pm

Strange if true.

Sasquatch76 · 29-01-2012 10:48pm

opr wrote: »

It may turn out to be bollox but I would take that. In fairness they are much better setup to utilise Andy's strengths.

Opr

I'd be demanding Spurs pay £15m more than Napoli are looking for Cavani.

Seriously though, I'd bite their hand off, but doubt there's anything to it.

opr · 29-01-2012 10:52pm

:rolleyes:

Tomorrow's Times article on Andy Carroll by Tony Barrett:

Andy Carroll remains adamant that he has no intention of leaving Liverpool despite having been linked with a move away for the second time during the January transfer window.

Little more than a fortnight after it was claimed that Newcastle United, his former club, had raised the possibility of taking the forward back, it was reported that Carroll had been offered to Manchester City in a straight swap for Carlos Tévez.

Liverpool dismissed both stories out of hand, responding to the link to City with a statement insisting that “it is fundamentally and categorically just not true”.

But the suspicion that someone acting on behalf of the club, or claiming to do so without the necessary authority, is offering Carroll to potential buyers was strengthened by the suggestion that Brian Marwood, City’s football administrator, had turned down the proposed swap deal.

Kenny Dalglish continues to back the 23-year-old publicly despite Carroll having scored only six goals in the 35 games he has played for Liverpool since joining in a club-record £35 million deal on transfer deadline day last January.

The Liverpool manager’s faith was rewarded on Saturday, to an extent at least, as the England forward played a key role in the 2-1 win over Manchester United.

But even Carroll himself conceded that improvement is required if he is to win a regular place in Dalglish’s side.

“I think I’m just getting into my stride now,” Carroll said after setting up the goal for Dirk Kuyt that settled the FA Cup fourth-round tie. “Everyone is getting used to how I play and I’m getting used to everyone else. I love it here.”

“I thought I did well [against United] but now I’ve just got to keep on going and keep working on it and then it will come. I thought everyone played well. We all put a shift in and we got the goal that we wanted at the end. We deserved the win.

“Obviously it was nice to get an assist but it doesn’t really matter who sets them up or who scores them as long as we get through and we did that.”

Opr

K-9 · 29-01-2012 10:53pm

opr wrote: »

Barrett supposedly going to have a story on Carroll in The Times tomorrow. Rumour that it is about Spurs are already in talks with us to buy Andy.

Edit - If true we must have a replacement lined up ?

Opr

Well that's far more reliable than Taylor. Spurs were reported to have been interested last year as well so there could be something to it. Long Term replacement for Adebayor?

whatawaster · 29-01-2012 10:57pm

Spurs not even mentioned in that article, funny that.

daithijjj · 29-01-2012 10:59pm

Carroll will be linked with anyone and everyone by Tuesday night. This time tomorrow he will be off to Villa in a swap for Bent again.

whatawaster · 29-01-2012 11:00pm

Can someone explain to me how a club who have not made a profit in years can afford to add:

Torres, Luiz, Cahill, Mata and now possibly Hazard and still comply with Financial Fair Play regulations. It makes a mockery of the whole thing.

Thanx 4 The Fish · 29-01-2012 11:03pm

As I understand it it has not properly kicked in yet. Is it this season that we will start to see it being fully implemented before the clubs find ways to circumvent it.

daithijjj · 29-01-2012 11:04pm

whatawaster wrote: »

Can someone explain to me how a club who have not made a profit in years can afford to add:

Torres, Luiz, Cahill, Mata and now possibly Hazard and still comply with Financial Fair Play regulations. It makes a mockery of the whole thing.

They have spent 145 mil in 12 months and recouped fk all apart from wages (maybe). Add Lukaku and Meireles to the list ^^^^

Edit. And i dont believe last Jan window is inc in FFPR, thats why it got a bit silly near the end of window.

K-9 · 29-01-2012 11:06pm

whatawaster wrote: »

Can someone explain to me how a club who have not made a profit in years can afford to add:

Torres, Luiz, Cahill, Mata and now possibly Hazard and still comply with Financial Fair Play regulations. It makes a mockery of the whole thing.

Telegraph had a piece on it last week, reporting about a UEFA meeting on it. I can see a soft approach at the start but harsher penalties if clubs aren't making efforts to toe the line:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/champions-league/9039696/Uefa-threatens-to-ban-clubs-from-Champions-League-if-new-financial-rules-are-flouted.html

willmunny1990 · 29-01-2012 11:38pm

Oh dear. I doubt Spurs are going to spunk that amount of money on a pub footballer in Carroll.

The only way it happens is if Harry stands to make a tidy profit through the transfer, I don't see him signing this clown of a 'footballer' otherwise.

monkey9 · 29-01-2012 11:41pm

willmunny1990 wrote: »

Oh dear. I doubt Spurs are going to spunk that amount of money on a pub footballer in Carroll.

The only way it happens is if Harry stands to make a tidy profit through the transfer, I don't see him signing this clown of a 'footballer' otherwise.

Harry found guilty was he? :rolleyes:

willmunny1990 · 29-01-2012 11:42pm

monkey9 wrote: »

Harry found guilty was he? :rolleyes:

Not that I know of, why?

argosy2006 · 29-01-2012 11:46pm

Brighton, Tough, A Team than begins with B
Usual story
Glad its not Chelsea away, They would be stiff opposition ,
Even stiffer opposition when John Terry plays,

Next round could be interesting,

Turtyturd · 29-01-2012 11:48pm

Did Andy Carroll cheat on you Willy?

Tusky · 29-01-2012 11:52pm

If spurs offer 18m for Carroll we should bite their hands off.

Thanx 4 The Fish · 29-01-2012 11:55pm

Tusky wrote: »

If spurs offer 18m for Carroll we should bite their hands off.

Yeah because that makes sense, selling a player we have just paid 35 million for for half that. Kenny will continue working with him and we will start seeing some of what we paid for, was not long ago people were writing off Lucas either.

willmunny1990 · 29-01-2012 11:56pm

Turtyturd wrote: »

Did Andy Carroll cheat on you Willy?

No Turty. I just find the thought of Spurs offering that much for a pub footballer amusing, if there's any truth to it that is.

willmunny1990 · 30-01-2012 12:00am

Thanx 4 The Fish wrote: »

Yeah because that makes sense, selling a player we have just paid 35 million for for half that. Kenny will continue working with him and we will start seeing some of what we paid for, was not long ago people were writing off Lucas either.

Oh would you stop. Lucas showed some promise. He had the raw ability to become a very good player.

Big Andy is slow, immobile, has a poor first touch and is an unmitigated disaster.

He isn't going to get much better. Pool should be biting the hands off clubs willing to pay upwards of 10 mill for him.

Kess73 · 30-01-2012 12:00am

I think the Alan Hansen interview that came out Friday/Saturday/Sunday (not sure which day) may have let something slip regarding Carroll.

There was a little line from Hansen about how Kenny was looking at Carroll and drip feeding him game time until he was sure that he did not think Carroll would improve/fit in to a large degree.

Given how close Dalglish and Hansen are, it could be something that slipped out from Hansen after a chat with Kenny, or it could be something that was leaked on purpose to either give the player a kick in the arse or to let others know he was for sale without anyone from the club saying it.

Knex* · 30-01-2012 12:01am

willmunny1990 wrote: »

No Turty. I just find the thought of Spurs offering that much for a pub footballer amusing, if there's any truth to it that is.

You must have cracked a rib when you found out Chelsea were paying 50m for Torres so

Kess73 · 30-01-2012 12:02am

Found what he said.

Liverpool paid £35m to sign Andy Carroll and I recall him looking unplayable when he scored Newcastle's winner at Arsenal last season. He was unbeatable in the air and quick on the deck.

He was injured when he arrived at Liverpool, has struggled not only for confidence but also touch and is not leaving anyone for dead any more. Others will know whether it is a question of fitness or confidence, but Dalglish was right to keep playing him until it became clear he was not getting any better and left him out against City.

Everyone will be working and supporting him behind the scenes to try and find that elusive form he showed on Tyneside, but there is no getting away from the fact that Liverpool look a better team without him.

willmunny1990 · 30-01-2012 12:04am

Knex. wrote: »

You must have cracked a rib when you found out Chelsea were paying 50m for Torres so

At least there was some justification for that transfer. Torres has class about him and has a proven track record.

Big Andy had a few months in the EPL where he played above himself and scored a few goals.

Go figure at which transfer made more sense.

Knex* · 30-01-2012 12:05am

willmunny1990 wrote: »

At least there was some justification for that transfer. Torres has class about him and has a proven track record.

Big Andy had a few months in the EPL where he played above himself and scored a few goals.

Go figure at which transfer made more sense.

I'm still gutted we didn't resign Heskey really.

Kess73 · 30-01-2012 12:07am

willmunny1990 wrote: »

At least there was some justification for that transfer. Torres has class about him and has a proven track record.

Big Andy had a few months in the EPL where he played above himself and scored a few goals.

Go figure at which transfer made more sense.

And yet which meant more sense 12 months again has turned out to mean squat.

You laugh at Liverpool for paying £35m for Carroll, others laugh at Chelsea for spending £50m on Torres.

No matter how you look at it each club spent massive money on a player who 12 months later have a level of goal threat to rival that of Helen Keller.

monkey9 · 30-01-2012 12:08am

Carroll will come good lads. Willy thinks he's sh!t so it's only a matter of time.

Sasquatch76 · 30-01-2012 12:09am

Keller is available on a free in June, btw.

SIGN HER UP KENNY!

Kess73 · 30-01-2012 12:10am

Sasquatch76 wrote: »

Keller is available on a free in June, btw.

SIGN HER UP KENNY!

Sure you don't mean dig her up?

willmunny1990 · 30-01-2012 12:12am

Kess73 wrote: »

And yet which meant more sense 12 months again has turned out to mean squat.

You laugh at Liverpool for paying £35m for Carroll, others laugh at Chelsea for spending £50m on Torres.

No matter how you look at it each club spent massive money on a player who 12 months later have a level of goal threat to rival that of Helen Keller.

At the end of it all you're right.

I still hold hope of Torres coming good though. If I was a pool fan, I'd genuinely be hoping Carroll would be moved on.

Sasquatch76 · 30-01-2012 12:12am

Kess73 wrote: »

Sure you don't mean dig her up?

I'm disappointed Kess, you're far too quick to write her off. She may have her off (or under) the field problems, but I think the King can get the best out of her

Sasquatch76 · 30-01-2012 12:13am

willmunny1990 wrote: »

If I was a pool fan, I'd genuinely be hoping Carroll would be moved on.

If you were a Pool fan, you wouldn't be in this thread as much

Thanx 4 The Fish · 30-01-2012 12:13am

willmunny1990 wrote: »

Oh would you stop. Lucas showed some promise. He had the raw ability to become a very good player.

Big Andy is slow, immobile, has a poor first touch and is an unmitigated disaster.

He isn't going to get much better. Pool should be biting the hands off clubs willing to pay upwards of 10 mill for him.

Look back over the Liverpool thread a season and a half ago and you will see that there was not many who saw any potential in him. Carroll has not been an unmitigated disaster, he is only now in his first full season in the club and while he has not banged them in like we hoped he would, we have not exactly been playing to his strengths either.

opr · 30-01-2012 12:16am

danremedios Daniel Remedios
The Times are reporting that Steven Gerrard was substituted against Manchester United as a result of a hamstring injury. Doubt for Wolves.

Opr

Thanx 4 The Fish · 30-01-2012 12:18am

opr wrote: »

danremedios Daniel Remedios
The Times are reporting that Steven Gerrard was substituted against Manchester United as a result of a hamstring injury. Doubt for Wolves.

Opr

Jesus that's awful news, he has been great for us since he came back. And was really looking forward to him linking up with Suarez.

Sasquatch76 · 30-01-2012 12:19am

Ah that's disappointing alright

willmunny1990 · 30-01-2012 12:22am

Thanx 4 The Fish wrote: »

Look back over the Liverpool thread a season and a half ago and you will see that there was not many who saw any potential in him. Carroll has not been an unmitigated disaster, he is only now in his first full season in the club and while he has not banged them in like we hoped he would, we have not exactly been playing to his strengths either.

OK so. Do you genuinely believe that Carroll will ever be good enough for Liverpool? He has had one flash in the pan season in the Championship, followed by a few good months in the EPL. He is a player that should be playing with Stoke or Bolton. That's his level, and that will never change IMO.

Big Andy will go down as the most disastrous signing in British footballing history and will always be the biggest black mark against Kenny's managerial career.

I honestly still can't believe he sanctioned £35m on that walking disaster, it really does boggle the mind.

5starpool · 30-01-2012 12:24am

opr wrote: »

danremedios Daniel Remedios
The Times are reporting that Steven Gerrard was substituted against Manchester United as a result of a hamstring injury. Doubt for Wolves.

Opr

Similar team starting at the weekend then against Wolves I expect, except Bellamy and Adam replacing Carragher and Gerrard then.

monkey9 · 30-01-2012 12:25am

willmunny1990 wrote: »

OK so. Do you genuinely believe that Carroll will ever be good enough for Liverpool? He has had one flash in the pan season in the Championship, followed by a few good months in the EPL. He is a player that should be playing with Stoke or Bolton. That's his level, and that will never change IMO.

Big Andy will go down as the most disastrous signing in British footballing history and will always be the biggest black mark against Kenny's managerial career.

I honestly still can't believe he sanctioned £35m on that walking disaster, it really does boggle the mind.

Alongside Torres?? Shevchenko??

redzerdrog · 30-01-2012 12:28am

lads if you dont engage with him he will surely piss off

lets just give it a try

pleasssssssssseeeeeeeeeeee

willmunny1990 · 30-01-2012 12:29am

monkey9 wrote: »

Alongside Torres?? Shevchenko??

Shevchenko yes. He was a disaster and a terrible signing, which Mourinho didn't even want. Roman truly screwed up the balance of our team with that one, and he was past it anyway.

I still hold some hope for Torres, he shows flashes of quality unlike Carroll who has shown about as much as Kevin Davies has done over the last few seasons.

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