IVCA race canceled this Sunday

RobFowl · 27-03-2015 10:32am #1

Just heard the news and thought of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5fts7bj-so

J Madone · 27-03-2015 10:36am

RobFowl wrote: »

Just heard this and thought of this https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=c5fts7bj-so

Hope its not true!

lennymc · 27-03-2015 10:37am

thats a pity.

Eamonnator · 27-03-2015 10:38am

Where was it be be held, and why is it being cancelled?

lennymc · 27-03-2015 10:40am

up around summerhill

RobFowl · 27-03-2015 10:41am

Eamonnator wrote: »

Where was it be be held, and why is it being cancelled?

Batterstown/green sheds and email didn't say but have my suspicions ....

07Lapierre · 27-03-2015 10:42am

Run a "training Spin" instead?

Inquitus · 27-03-2015 10:43am

Are the problems spreading from Fingal to Meath?

Caroline_ie · 27-03-2015 10:45am

I'm done with road cycling. I'm now a mountainbiker. F&*% you all roadies, I'm hitting the trails.

wirelessdude01 · 27-03-2015 10:48am

This isn't good. Good few club leagues use various circuits out around that general area

RobFowl · 27-03-2015 10:49am

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

This isn't good. Good few club leagues use various circuits out around that general area

Not any more they don't !

brasshead · 27-03-2015 10:49am

very depressing. Sounds like things are going to get worse before they get better in respect to racing on open roads.

Here's hoping a solution can be found.

07Lapierre · 27-03-2015 10:51am

brasshead wrote: »

very depressing. Sounds like things are going to get worse before they get better in respect to racing on open roads.

I'm not as optimistic as you!

Caroline_ie · 27-03-2015 10:52am

Velodrome ... the garda are just making it easier for their riders to become trackies

lennymc · 27-03-2015 10:53am

Caroline_ie wrote: »

Velodrome ... the garda are just making it easier for their riders to become trackies

sssssshhhhhhh. Dont tell them!

wirelessdude01 · 27-03-2015 10:53am

RobFowl wrote: »

Not any more they don't !

Think we still are, well we were still last I heard a few weeks ago.

brasshead · 27-03-2015 10:55am

Maybe IVCA should book Mondello for a few races

Eamonnator · 27-03-2015 11:12am

Well, at least, Cycling Ireland can't be blamed for this.

Eamonnator · 27-03-2015 11:15am

Caroline_ie wrote: »

I'm done with road cycling. I'm now a mountainbiker. F&*% you all roadies, I'm hitting the trails.

Now you'll just have to deal with Coillte. Best of luck with that.

07Lapierre · 27-03-2015 11:19am

brasshead wrote: »

Maybe IVCA should book Mondello for a few races

Of Maybe the Phoenix Park?

QueensGael · 27-03-2015 11:23am

07Lapierre wrote: »

Of Maybe the Phoenix Park?

Unlikely, the OPW hasn't been too keen on bike racing in the park for some years now. Duathlons are allowed, but not road racing.

07Lapierre · 27-03-2015 11:28am

QueensGael wrote: »

Unlikely, the OPW hasn't been too keen on bike racing in the park for some years now. Duathlons are allowed, but not road racing.

Why? Health and Safety?

This Health and Safety S**te is getting out of hand! :mad:

QueensGael · 27-03-2015 11:36am

07Lapierre wrote: »

Why? Health and Safety?

This Health and Safety S**te is getting out of hand! :mad:

They're concerned about overuse of the park, from what I heard

tunney · 27-03-2015 11:38am

QueensGael wrote: »

Unlikely, the OPW hasn't been too keen on bike racing in the park for some years now. Duathlons are allowed, but not road racing.

Duathlons but only on poxy sh1tty new courses that do not require any real road closuures.

tunney · 27-03-2015 11:39am

QueensGael wrote: »

They're concerned about overuse of the park, from what I heard

More the road closures and "what about the poor people that have to drive through the park"

Leroy42 · 27-03-2015 11:57am

Ireland is going the way of the UK, in that the move is towards getting rid of Open road racing altogether. Racing will only take place on closed roads (so only the top events) or in Mondello etc.

It seems that running events are welcomed but cyclists are to be shunned and moved off the roads.

Part of the blame for this has to lie in the fact that in many races the participants act as if they are on closed roads. CI/Race comms should have been stricter-sooner and handed out bans.

The recent reaction to having in race videos posted on youtube was to ensure that no videos were allowed, rather than dealing with the issue of racers breaking the rules.

In saying that, I don't believe that anything would have really helped, but might have delayed the inevitable. There is clearly an anti-cycling movement amongst many motorist, fuelled by the massive increase in the levels over the last few years and this is an area over which they can exert control.

Diarmuid · 27-03-2015 12:15pm

Leroy42 wrote: »

Part of the blame for this has to lie in the fact that in many races the participants act as if they are on closed roads. CI/Race comms should have been stricter-sooner and handed out bans.

The recent reaction to having in race videos posted on youtube was to ensure that no videos were allowed, rather than dealing with the issue of racers breaking the rules.

Anything to back up that claim or are you speculating?

I doubt the recent issues in Finglas which seem to be spreading are related to either of those claims. That's not to say they may contribute in the future but claiming the current situation is even partly due to these issues, is wrong, IMHO.

morana · 27-03-2015 12:50pm

Leroy42 wrote: »

The recent reaction to having in race videos posted on youtube was to ensure that no videos were allowed, rather than dealing with the issue of racers breaking the rules.

Diarmuid wrote: »

Anything to back up that claim or are you speculating?

I would back that up as I highlighted to CI, as others did and they had seen it but it wasnt a great reply I got.

anyway the situation in Fingal isn't associated to this its something that just mushroomed from an incident, there will be dark days ahead for RR if the vets are off.

Who will be cancelled next.......?

07Lapierre · 27-03-2015 12:53pm

QueensGael wrote: »

They're concerned about overuse of the park, from what I heard

IMO a bike race in the park would result in less disruption then the current events that are run there.

QueensGael · 27-03-2015 1:00pm

07Lapierre wrote: »

IMO a bike race in the park would result in less disruption then the current events that are run there.

I don't disagree - I avoid the PP during events like Bloom where people will take you out in order to get at a bit of car parking

07Lapierre · 27-03-2015 1:06pm

Swordscc considered this as a possible circuit in the PP.

No diversions needed on Chesterfield ave. and both entrances to the park on the Chapelizod Rd are easily diverted....some day maybe..

https://www.google.ie/maps/dir/53.3561132,-6.3246672/53.3488476,-6.3129871/53.3470346,-6.3295696/53.349289,-6.3338612/53.3558537,-6.3248339/@53.351966,-6.3348053,15z/am=t/data=!4m2!4m1!3e1

morana · 27-03-2015 1:10pm

We need our cycling lobby to be akin to the IFA!

Leroy42 · 27-03-2015 1:11pm

Diarmuid wrote: »

Anything to back up that claim or are you speculating?

I doubt the recent issues in Finglas which seem to be spreading are related to either of those claims. That's not to say they may contribute in the future but claiming the current situation is even partly due to these issues, is wrong, IMHO.

Which claim? That CI have reacted to the recent upload of videos from a race by insisting that UCI rules that ban them are upheld? Whilst that of course deals with the videos themselves it doesn't deal with the actions the videos were highlighting.

Or are you asking me to backup the claim that riders threat the roads as closed during a race. Anybody that has ever done any racing knows this to be true.

Par tof the reason for the cancellation is down to motorists and locals feeling put out by the race. Not abiding by the rules, effectively taking over the whole road rather than just one side only adds to this.

I'm not saying the decision is correct, or even fair, but it is a growing narrative.

greenmat · 27-03-2015 1:11pm

If anyone would like to Join me on a YOUTH SPIN this Sat 28th March at 11am from North Street Business Park, Swords, just down from Carnegie Court Hotel. Doing laps of Corduff Circuit, (Last years Ben McKenna Circuit) were the problems with racing OUR roads started in 2012. Protect our sport for the future. All welcome, spread the word. Quiet protest and a chance to meet and chat to other racing Cyclists about our problems racing In Fingal and Meath.

Beasty · 27-03-2015 1:25pm

greenmat wrote: »

Quiet protest

:eek: ... never known you do anything quietly ...

Anyway, what I want to know is will I still get my 2 points for marshalling on Sunday

07Lapierre · 27-03-2015 1:28pm

greenmat wrote: »

If anyone would like to Join me on a YOUTH SPIN this Sat 28th March at 11am from North Street Business Park, Swords, just down from Carnegie Court Hotel. Doing laps of Corduff Circuit, (Last years Ben McKenna Circuit) were the problems with racing OUR roads started in 2012. Protect our sport for the future. All welcome, spread the word. Quiet protest and a chance to meet and chat to other racing Cyclists about our problems racing In Fingal and Meath.

I should be there...(if I'm not dropped at the back of the airport again!

)

DISCLAIMER: The Word "Dropped" doe not imply a "Race" in any shape or form!

morana · 27-03-2015 1:38pm

Beasty wrote: »

:eek: ... never known you do anything quietly ...

Anyway, what I want to know is will I still get my 2 points for marshalling on Sunday

you will be joint leader of the League so!

morana · 27-03-2015 1:39pm

Inquitus wrote: »

Are the problems spreading from Fingal to Meath?

what do you mean?

Inquitus · 27-03-2015 1:40pm

morana wrote: »

what do you mean?

I mean is this an intervention of the Gardai in Meath based on the clarification of the RTA undertaken by Fingal CC and Balbriggan Gardai? i.e. have Gards in Meath adopted the same stance as those in Fingal.

buffalo · 27-03-2015 2:06pm

Leroy42 wrote: »

Par tof the reason for the cancellation is down to motorists and locals feeling put out by the race.

I think that's the claim Diarmuid was asking you to back. The cancellations seem to be entirely stemming from the Gardai.

wav1 · 27-03-2015 2:07pm

Inquitus wrote: »

I mean is this an intervention of the Gardai in Meath based on the clarification of the RTA undertaken by Fingal CC and Balbriggan Gardai? i.e. have Gards in Meath adopted the same stance as those in Fingal.

More or less but not quite as bad[ish].They want road closures applied for..Our races in Drogheda[every inch of the circuit is in Meath] are going ahead inc the 3 stage Ras na N'og.Basically if there are not road closures they are not aiding or assisting any races..This we have accepted and are going to post anyway..Biggest issue is the use of our marshalls and how they approach motorists etc..Cant stop but can advise..If there are any issues post event garda said they will investigate and possibly prosecute marshall if necessary..After consultations with CI they have confirmed that they and their insurers would if necessary defend the marshall if they act in the correct manner..On this basis we are going ahead..What I would ask is this..if any of you out there care enough about whats happening,come along to our weekend,take on a hivis and flag and lets have marshalls everywhere as a stance of support in whats happening..Wav

Chips Lovell · 27-03-2015 2:09pm

07Lapierre wrote: »

Swordscc considered this as a possible circuit in the PP.

No diversions needed on Chesterfield ave. and both entrances to the park on the Chapelizod Rd are easily diverted....some day maybe..

https://www.google.ie/maps/dir/53.3561132,-6.3246672/53.3488476,-6.3129871/53.3470346,-6.3295696/53.349289,-6.3338612/53.3558537,-6.3248339/@53.351966,-6.3348053,15z/am=t/data=!4m2!4m1!3e1

Great little circuit. I did that a few times when the Road Club were running races in the Park. Duathlons are still given permission to use that circuit. Not sure why cycle races are any different from the OPW's point of view.

Lusk_Doyle · 27-03-2015 2:09pm

morana wrote: »

We need our cycling lobby to be akin to the IFA!

Mass slow cycle through Dublin city centre as a protest with Gardai required to marshal it. Oh the irony!

Edit: Might not be ironic but you get my gist!

buffalo · 27-03-2015 2:10pm

07Lapierre wrote: »

Swordscc considered this as a possible circuit in the PP.

No diversions needed on Chesterfield ave. and both entrances to the park on the Chapelizod Rd are easily diverted....some day maybe..

https://www.google.ie/maps/dir/53.3561132,-6.3246672/53.3488476,-6.3129871/53.3470346,-6.3295696/53.349289,-6.3338612/53.3558537,-6.3248339/@53.351966,-6.3348053,15z/am=t/data=!4m2!4m1!3e1

You'd need to provide access to the hospital on that circuit., I believe that's been the source of complaints in the past.

Chips Lovell · 27-03-2015 2:11pm

Just to be clear. Cycling Ireland did not decide to ban cameras on the back of recent footage. Cameras were never allowed in races.

Inquitus · 27-03-2015 2:13pm

Jep Gambardella wrote: »

Just to be clear. Cycling Ireland did not decide to ban cameras on the back of recent footage. Cameras were never allowed in races.

They decided to enforce a rule pro-actively that they never cared about in the past, which is much the same thing in terms of intent really.

Chips Lovell · 27-03-2015 2:17pm

The rule was always enforced. There have been cases where comms weren't aware people had cameras on their bikes until afterwards. But I've yet to hear of a comm intentionally turn a blind eye to it.

07Lapierre · 27-03-2015 2:18pm

buffalo wrote: »

You'd need to provide access to the hospital on that circuit., I believe that's been the source of complaints in the past.

If we ran the race and any profit made went to the hospital...that might change their mind..it would also reflect well on the OPW. ( assuming we actually made a profit)

Inquitus · 27-03-2015 2:18pm

Jep Gambardella wrote: »

The rule was always enforced. There have been cases where comms weren't aware people had cameras on their bikes until afterwards. But I've yet to hear of a comm intentionally turn a blind eye to it.

Maybe so, but I never heard a mention of cameras, from a Comm, until the week after that video went up.

Chips Lovell · 27-03-2015 2:21pm

Inquitus wrote: »

Maybe so, but I never heard a mention of cameras, from a Comm, until the week after that video went up.

Maybe they felt they didn't need to issue a reminder. This year is the first year I've seen footage from onboard cameras at open races appear. It wasn't an issue before.

Chips Lovell · 27-03-2015 2:23pm

buffalo wrote: »

You'd need to provide access to the hospital on that circuit., I believe that's been the source of complaints in the past.

Access to the hospital doesn't appear to be an issue for duathlons using that circuit though

IVCA race canceled this Sunday

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