Arsenal Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2011/2012

gosplan · 20-04-2012 9:44am

Interesting point from Tim Stillman column on Arseblog.com

The natural need for a scapegoat is being filled by Ramsey, the current chump du jour. Nobody would argue that Ramsey is having an easy time of it, but much of the criticism is bent well out of shape.

Szczesny is the same age as Ramsey and he went through a dip in form in the January and February period. All players of that age do. The team is adapting to Ramsey just as much as he is adapting to the rigours of weekly football at the top level. Our mode of play has changed this season into a quicker transitional style. We don’t have a triquetra type like Fabregas was, or that Nasri thought he was (but wasn’t). Ramsey is much more in the all action Gerrard mould, he’s in the business of late, lung bursting runs. Arsenal haven’t had a midfielder like this in some time.

Ramsey’s execution needs work, but that’s ok because it’s the easiest thing to fix. It just takes practise and a little confidence. Yet it also takes time for the team to appreciate his different qualities and react to them. It was the same when Cesc became a prominent feature of the team. (In the 2005-06 season he registered 3 goals and 5 assists. Ramsey is dealing in similar numbers this year). It’s coming too. I recall van Persie picking out a late Ramsey run in the box at Goodison, guiding a header down towards him in the box. It was a fabulous run that no Everton defender picked up right to the lip of the Everton area.

The issue was that he volleyed it over the bar. But like I said, that’s easily fixed on the training ground. Just ask Thierry Henry. Coaching that movement in the first place is the difficulty. Just ask Marouane Chamakh. Swingers on the line now and you bookmark this page if you like. This time next year, provided he enjoys reasonable fitness, Ramsey will be in the running for our Player of the Season award. There’s a hell of a lot of talent in this boy. Don’t try and destroy it, embrace it. It’ll make you proud one day. Till next time. LD.

emergingstar · 20-04-2012 12:06pm

gosplan wrote: »

Interesting point from Tim Stillman column on Arseblog.com

The natural need for a scapegoat is being filled by Ramsey, the current chump du jour. Nobody would argue that Ramsey is having an easy time of it, but much of the criticism is bent well out of shape.

Szczesny is the same age as Ramsey and he went through a dip in form in the January and February period. All players of that age do. The team is adapting to Ramsey just as much as he is adapting to the rigours of weekly football at the top level. Our mode of play has changed this season into a quicker transitional style. We don’t have a triquetra type like Fabregas was, or that Nasri thought he was (but wasn’t). Ramsey is much more in the all action Gerrard mould, he’s in the business of late, lung bursting runs. Arsenal haven’t had a midfielder like this in some time.

Ramsey’s execution needs work, but that’s ok because it’s the easiest thing to fix. It just takes practise and a little confidence. Yet it also takes time for the team to appreciate his different qualities and react to them. It was the same when Cesc became a prominent feature of the team. (In the 2005-06 season he registered 3 goals and 5 assists. Ramsey is dealing in similar numbers this year). It’s coming too. I recall van Persie picking out a late Ramsey run in the box at Goodison, guiding a header down towards him in the box. It was a fabulous run that no Everton defender picked up right to the lip of the Everton area.

The issue was that he volleyed it over the bar. But like I said, that’s easily fixed on the training ground. Just ask Thierry Henry. Coaching that movement in the first place is the difficulty. Just ask Marouane Chamakh. Swingers on the line now and you bookmark this page if you like. This time next year, provided he enjoys reasonable fitness, Ramsey will be in the running for our Player of the Season award. There’s a hell of a lot of talent in this boy. Don’t try and destroy it, embrace it. It’ll make you proud one day. Till next time. LD.

He writes really good articles, and I fully agree with him here

Galvasean · 20-04-2012 12:12pm

Most bookmakers have made us evens favourites to beat Chelsea tomorrow.

Redzer7 · 20-04-2012 1:35pm

Well well well, Drogba is out tomorrow... thank fúck!

Galvasean · 20-04-2012 1:43pm

Redzer7 wrote: »

Well well well, Drogba is out tomorrow... thank fúck!

Did Droggy get a boo-boo when he fell down?

Redzer7 · 20-04-2012 1:48pm

Galvasean wrote: »

Did Droggy get a boo-boo when he fell down?

Serves him right!

Bit more confident about tomorrow now, although I've a feeling Torres will have the game of his life.

amiable · 20-04-2012 1:49pm

Redzer7 wrote: »

Well well well, Drogba is out tomorrow... thank fúck!

Surely rested with Tuesday in mind after playing FA cup Semi and Champions League semi in space of just a few days

Redzer7 · 20-04-2012 1:51pm

amiable wrote: »

Surely rested with Tuesday in mind after playing FA cup Semi and Champions League semi in space of just a few days

Sky Sports says knee injury, could possibly be that they're resting him but I don't know.

gnfnrhead · 20-04-2012 1:53pm

gosplan wrote: »

Interesting point from Tim Stillman column on Arseblog.com

I don't think anyone is calling for him to be sold or anything, just don't have him as an automatic starter when he is in such poor form. Look at the differences between Arshavin and Rosicky. When Arshavin was in poor form, he kept getting picked most weeks anyway. When Rosicky was in poor form he was dropped to the bench. Arshavin continued to suffer poor form while the time on the bench seems to have done Rosicky a world of good as he's been one of our best players this season.

We're short on options this weekend so he'll have to start, but a few weeks ago we had most of our midfield fit, and Ramsey was still starting in spite of his form. I like Ramsey and hope he turns it around to be a vital player for years to come, but I don't see how you can play someone in such poor form for more than two or three games with no sign of it ending. He should have had a spell on the bench by now IMO.

iainconlon12 · 20-04-2012 2:06pm

Both Diaby and Coquelin back in the squad for tomorrows match!;)

batistuta9 · 20-04-2012 2:34pm

iainconlon12 wrote: »

Both Diaby and Coquelin back in the squad for tomorrows match!;)

diaby 1/2 to get off the team bus & start walking into the stadium but goes over to hug gunnersaurus & trips rupturing his anterior cruciate ligament

Galvasean · 20-04-2012 2:46pm

What odds can I get for Diaby to score the winner?
I'll show ya....

Redzer7 · 20-04-2012 3:05pm

http://mickopedia.org/mickify.py?topic=arsenal+fc

Have a look at that

feckin' eejits!

amiable · 20-04-2012 3:06pm

Paddy Power offering 3/1 on RVP scoring at any time tomorrow against Chelsea

Redzer7 · 20-04-2012 3:08pm

amiable wrote: »

Paddy Power offering 3/1 on RVP scoring at any time tomorrow against City

Surely that'll be wasting money as we're actually playing Chelsea :pac:

I know he's good, but he's not that good :pac:

amiable · 20-04-2012 3:10pm

Redzer7 wrote: »

Surely that'll be wasting money as we're actually playing Chelsea :pac:

I know he's good, but he's not that good :pac:

Haha. Got a bit muddled there. It's a good bet IMO

Redzer7 · 20-04-2012 3:14pm

amiable wrote: »

Haha. Got a bit muddled there. It's a good bet IMO

Very good bet indeed, hopefully he gets a few and starts banging them in again :P is that with Paddy Powers?

amiable · 20-04-2012 3:15pm

Redzer7 wrote: »

Very good bet indeed, hopefully he gets a few and starts banging them in again :P is that with Paddy Powers?

I think it's only an online offer. I spotted it on twitter.

Redzer7 · 20-04-2012 3:19pm

amiable wrote: »

I think it's only an online offer. I spotted it on twitter.

Ah just checked there and he's only evens to score anytime, and 4/1 first goalscorer. Think i'll give it a miss.

batistuta9 · 20-04-2012 3:19pm

Redzer7 wrote: »

http://mickopedia.org/mickify.py?topic=arsenal+fc

Have a look at that feckin' eejits!

how did you find this?

can't believe someone actually went to the bother of doing it

Redzer7 · 20-04-2012 3:22pm

batistuta9 wrote: »

how did you find this?

can't believe someone actually went to the bother of doing it

Just seen somebody make a thread about it in the After Hours forum called mickopedia which is basically a Wikipedia for the Irish :pac: searched Arsenal FC to see what they wrote haha.

amiable · 20-04-2012 3:24pm

Redzer7 wrote: »

Ah just checked there and he's only evens to score anytime, and 4/1 first goalscorer. Think i'll give it a miss.

He's definitely 3/1 if you do it through twitter or Facebook.

Twitter has lit up about this.
Fourfourtom(Arsenal blogger) is talking about it too

greendom · 20-04-2012 4:22pm

Redzer7 wrote: »

Surely that'll be wasting money as we're actually playing Chelsea :pac:

I know he's good, but he's not that good :pac:

At least there are no odds on him scoring for City

Redzer7 · 20-04-2012 4:25pm

greendom wrote: »

At least there are no odds on him scoring for City

Not yet anyways, hopefully never!
Wouldn't like to see him play at any other premier league club, it'd break my heart :pac: or any club for that matter haha.

Galvasean · 20-04-2012 10:04pm

Jebus, that mickopedia stuff is hard to read...

gnfnrhead · 21-04-2012 1:14am

Galvasean wrote: »

Jebus, that mickopedia stuff is hard to read...

I couldnt even make it past the first paragraph. Some people have too much time on there hands. :pac:

ImpossibleDuck · 21-04-2012 2:49pm

Don't like to put RVP down because he had a great game, but jeeeesus his finishing was Bendtner-esque today

Got in great positions and made a nuisance of himself from start to finish but he was so unlucky today.

When I got to thinking about it, Diaby was an idiotic substitution. I know we don't have much alternatives but his lack of match-practice was as evident today as I've ever seen in a player. He looked like he wasn't quite sure how to play football anymore. Again, not putting him down because this is to be expected, I just think we can't afford to be giving him a run-out for the sake of it, in this, the most vital part of the season.

Walcott probably out for the season too.

We had a great opportunity to put points between us and fourth. We failed badly and now things are looking precarious. I'm not saying dooooooomed, just worrying.

Redzer7 · 21-04-2012 2:50pm

Very impressed with Santos today, also thought Gibbs attacked very well throughout the game.

Royale with Cheese · 21-04-2012 2:51pm

Worrying run of form, rvp looks spent and thus the team do as well. I don't think it's unreasonable to think arse won't win again this season if they play like that.

Redzer7 · 21-04-2012 3:02pm

3000th post! Would have loved to dedicate it to a win.

Anyways hopefully the Yids and the Magpies get beating today!

HazDanz · 21-04-2012 3:04pm

ImpossibleDuck wrote: »

When I got to thinking about it, Diaby was an idiotic substitution. I know we don't have much alternatives but his lack of match-practice was as evident today as I've ever seen in a player.

I think it was forced on Wenger with Rosicky being sick during the week, fatigue and all that.

Lackluster performance but a point is okay, just makes things nervy

Oranage2 · 21-04-2012 3:09pm

I'm still very confident of getting top 4. Though hopefully Chelsea dont win the CL.

gnfnrhead · 21-04-2012 3:11pm

A point against Chelsea is now a bad thing?

greendom · 21-04-2012 3:14pm

gnfnrhead wrote: »

A point against Chelsea is now a bad thing?

Usually not but we were the middle of their Barcelona sandwich and played either inexperienced or tired players today with their minds on Tuesday. We really should have got the 3 points.

Mickeroo · 21-04-2012 3:15pm

gnfnrhead wrote: »

A point against Chelsea is now a bad thing?

It is when we needed a win. The last 3 games are must wins now. hopefully results elsewhere will go our way, newcastle already winning.

batistuta9 · 21-04-2012 3:16pm

gnfnrhead wrote: »

A point against Chelsea is now a bad thing?

after losing to wigan & giving tottenham the chance to overtake us + newcastle to draw level, i wouldn't call it the best result. wasn't the best of performances today either

ImpossibleDuck · 21-04-2012 3:17pm

gnfnrhead wrote: »

A point against Chelsea is now a bad thing?

I don't think anybody's saying that. Chelsea weren't great by any standards today, that was an entirely winnable game. And we hit the woodwork twice and bottled a couple of other good chances.

If you're seeing what appears to be frustration, I think it's just anxiety..caused by the threat we now face from the Magpies and the....ehhh...well..them crowd.

If we beat Stoke, things'll look healthy again. If we don't, it'll be time to shape up and grind it out.

HazDanz · 21-04-2012 3:23pm

greendom wrote: »

Usually not but we were the middle of their Barcelona sandwich and played either inexperienced or tired players today with their minds on Tuesday. We really should have got the 3 points.

Chelsea didn't look to win the game and we didn't take advantage of that. We just looked uninterested fighting for a win. That's worrying.

Maybe the season has caught up on the lads. No Arteta we've definitely lost some flexibility and presence in the middle of the pitch too, it's painful not having him in the side. I wouldn't be suprised if the next three games are a bit of a struggle without him.

KeithAFC · 21-04-2012 3:26pm

Hopefully QPR take something off tottenham later.

cson · 21-04-2012 4:20pm

Walcott out for the rest of the season.

Redzer7 · 21-04-2012 4:33pm

Heads up the feck. We're still 3rd, don't go into panic mode yet.

ImpossibleDuck · 21-04-2012 4:42pm

Just for fun, I decided to take all the possible remaining fixtures for the 4 competing teams and take a mean of the worst probable (possible?) results + the best probable (possible?) results.

Table ended up like this:

3. Arsenal - 38 - 70.5pts
4. Spurs - 38 - 70.5pts
5. Newcastle - 38 - 69.5pts
6. Chelsea - 38 - 68pts

*assuming there are no drastic changes in goal difference.
*based on my personal predictions.
*kinda eliminating the probability of form influencing results too, if I'm honest.

greendom · 21-04-2012 4:59pm

I see Stoke were saving themselves up for our visit next week

L'prof · 21-04-2012 5:16pm

greendom wrote: »

I see Stoke were saving themselves up for our visit next week

Stoke will definitely get a result at home to us, Benayoun will hardly make a massive difference. We look very flat at the moment!

jmayo · 21-04-2012 5:53pm

Redzer7 wrote: »

Heads up the feck. We're still 3rd, don't go into panic mode yet.

To use the words of some famous characters...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JC8nyBr9_-8

then again we could be ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7RIgs3eygo

keano_afc · 21-04-2012 6:40pm

QPR looking like they might do us a favour, which would be massive. Stoke have their cup final against us next week, make no mistake they'll be up for it. Really odd how our levels have dipped so dramatically in the last 2 games. If we even had won one of them we'd be pretty much home and dry. Dont like that face that we still need 2 wins, and we have to play away twice. Making this difficult for ourselves.

Redzer7 · 21-04-2012 6:52pm

Also lads Newcastle have to play City and Chelsea! Wigan and Everton will be tough too. There will be points dropped, it's not all doom and gloom yet.

batistuta9 · 21-04-2012 7:04pm

Redzer7 wrote: »

Also lads Newcastle have to play City and Chelsea! Wigan and Everton will be tough too. There will be points dropped, it's not all doom and gloom yet.

I think arsenal have the better fixtures left - the 3 teams have nothing to play for compared to the teams the others play

newcastle as you say have though enough matches - wigan fighting to stay up,
chelsea for a CL spot, city for the title(even if the can't win it by then, still tough)

tottenham's look the easiest on paper but all them sides are trying to stay up, apart from fulham on the last day

Redzer7 · 21-04-2012 7:08pm

batistuta9 wrote: »

I think arsenal have the better fixtures left - the 3 teams have nothing to play for compared to the teams the others play

newcastle as you say have though enough matches - wigan fighting to stay up,
chelsea for a CL spot, city for the title(even if the can't win it by then, still tough)

tottenham's look the easiest on paper but all them sides are trying to stay up, apart from fulham on the last day

Exactly, factor in that Tottenham are on a bad run of form as well and currently getting beating by QPR. They could just as easily drop points as much as we can.

gnfnrhead · 21-04-2012 7:20pm

Just looked at the table and didnt realise West Brom were so far up. Thought they were still lingering around the relegation spots so figured they'd be up for it. Knew Norwich ere safe. With that, Stoke is the toughest game left and thats just because they are kunts to play against :pac:

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