salmon and seatrout fishing thread

zacmorris · 16-07-2010 9:51am

cj salmon wrote: »

day tickets available for thomastown water and killkenny anglers water,,round 25-30 a day,thomastowns is available in the fishing tackle shop in the towns square,great fly water,bit of a late river late august september they get a run,sprinkling of fish earlier if they get a flood,but it needs a lot of water,and salmon not in the main run can be big to 20lbs,not much of a grilse run i dont think ,but dont quote me on that

Cheers for that. I'd say the water will see good rise down there at the mo with all the rain of late...Don't have a slamon fly rod, so will prob stick to the flying c's!
will fish the Barrow lke I normally do, but I have to spend a day on the Nore, it's right beside me when down there and never bother to fish it.
Found a cool site actually- http://www.noresalmon.com/main_page.html

cj salmon · 19-07-2010 5:36pm

big flood on there,spinning might get you a result though!!!

Auldloon · 21-07-2010 12:23am

Life long trout fisher but had a go for the salmon today. Have tried a few times before without much success. Today after several hours and a few missed takes I connected with this fella. A grilse of 3 or 4 lbs

Compton · 21-07-2010 12:25am

well done mate, what did you get him on?

Auldloon · 21-07-2010 12:30am

Thanks, a Sunray shadow. I'm in Scotland btw, my mate had one from the same pool of about 8lbs. A good day:)

Compton · 21-07-2010 12:32am

well done mate.

cj salmon · 21-07-2010 12:32am

beautiful fish well done!

coolwings · 21-07-2010 10:14am

Nice fish Cuileog.

justo · 21-07-2010 4:32pm

ironbluedun wrote: »

i heard from Ballina the figure was closer to 300....anyway hard to get accurate figures when such a high catch...it sure was wholesale slaughter with many 'anglers' catching above their 3 limit but some others did not exceed the limit... but one guy had 14-16 all killed and into the boot of the car...conservation...conservation what is that? is that a glass yoke on the back of your house??

I heard the ridge pool was like an abattoir or worse. Onlookers were pretty disgusted to see 'anglers' without priests knocking salmon off whatever they could just to get back in the water and continue fishing. Others witnessed catches 'dissapearing' in order to allow further fishing. This is not sport.

cj salmon · 21-07-2010 6:34pm

well said

SeaFields · 21-07-2010 7:13pm

justo wrote: »

I heard the ridge pool was like an abattoir or worse. Onlookers were pretty disgusted to see 'anglers' without priests knocking salmon off whatever they could just to get back in the water and continue fishing. Others witnessed catches 'dissapearing' in order to allow further fishing. This is not sport.

Its a pity somebody didn't get a video of that incident. Would force the fisheries boards hand into action.

fontanalis · 21-07-2010 7:23pm

justo wrote: »

I heard the ridge pool was like an abattoir or worse. Onlookers were pretty disgusted to see 'anglers' without priests knocking salmon off whatever they could just to get back in the water and continue fishing. Others witnessed catches 'dissapearing' in order to allow further fishing. This is not sport.

That's Ireland for you, the attitude has to change. As with other things people have to start looking at long term implications.

stylie · 22-07-2010 2:14am

shblob wrote: »

you could get away with 6lb if you know how to play fish properly with the rod/drag.

and if the river is perfect with no snags on the bottom, 100's of yards of clear banks to follow the fish, slow currents to play him out in and nice gravel banks to land him...:rolleyes:

ironbluedun · 22-07-2010 8:21am

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lofty95 · 22-07-2010 12:15pm

SeaFields wrote: »

Its a pity somebody didn't get a video of that incident. Would force the fisheries boards hand into action.

I think you are blowing it out of all proportion. It was a situation which has never happened before and is very unlikely to happen again. When have you ever seen such a long cold spell followed by a particularly dry spell in this country ?. In the grander scheme of things i think the amount of salmon caught will be balanced out over the course of the season. I wouldnt begrudge the majoirty of peoplrwho caught a salmon over that day as there were a large amount of children who caught there very first salmon , however those individuals that took way over there limit should be ashamed of themselves. It is now obvious since the netting has stopped that the netting at sea was where the majority of the damage was being done and it is also obvious by the amount of salmon being caught with net marks on them that there is a serious amount of illegal netting taking place which needs to be addressed.

SeaFields · 22-07-2010 12:31pm

lofty95 wrote: »

I think you are blowing it out of all proportion. ...

You quoted me for some reason. I was making an observation of a post by justo describing the ridge pool as something "like an abattoir". If indeed that was the case then there is a justification for evidence of the incident being recorded and forwarded to the fisheries board.

lofty95 · 22-07-2010 12:37pm

sorry if i quoted the wrong person. There were fisheries officers present on that day and for a few days after

ironbluedun · 22-07-2010 12:51pm

lofty95 wrote: »

I think you are blowing it out of all proportion.

Certainly not, the truth is, and some people don’t like to hear the truth, that above the boxes a considerable amount of local ‘anglers’ were catching small grilse 1-1.5lb weight on worms and to avoid having to tag small fish they just reefed the hook out of the fish tearing flesh, gills etc and then threw the fish back to the river heavily bleeding, most of them died and floated down river belly up….i have observed this myself….now where is the sport in that behaviour? Please tell me.

lofty95 · 22-07-2010 1:05pm

ironbluedun wrote: »

Certainly not, the truth is, and some people don’t like to hear the truth, that above the boxes a considerable amount of local ‘anglers’ were catching small grilse 1-1.5lb weight on worms and to avoid having to tag small fish they just reefed the hook out of the fish tearing flesh, gills etc and then threw the fish back to the river heavily bleeding, most of them died and floated down river belly up….i have observed this myself….now where is the sport in that behaviour? Please tell me.

No sport whatsoever i agree and it was to these individuals i was referring when i spoke of those that took way over there limit. It surely is very difficult to release a salmon especially when fishing the worm due to the way they are hooked, that should have been where the fisheries officers should have intervened and made them hold on to them

ironbluedun · 22-07-2010 1:21pm

lofty95 wrote: »

No sport whatsoever i agree and it was to these individuals i was referring when i spoke of those that took way over there limit. It surely is very difficult to release a salmon especially when fishing the worm due to the way they are hooked, that should have been where the fisheries officers should have intervened and made them hold on to them

ok were are not talking about anglers who fish responsibly, that goes without saying....

yes you are correct it is very hard to release a small grilse when hooked on worm.... i know i fish worms myself....in a flood the fish will more often than not will take it deep, especially on the moy .....dont mind all that rubbish you hear about people hooking them in the lips and all that bluff its total nonsense, sounds great on paper but does not happen in practise....if the fish was deep hooked i would kill it promptly and tag it not just fling it back into the river to bleed to death.

with so many small under-sized grilse why don't the fishery board, IFI, whatever they call themselves now, introduce a ban on barbed worm hooks??? so the fish could be 'released' with less harm, ah i suppose that would necessitate a bit of thinking.

lofty95 · 22-07-2010 2:13pm

ironbluedun wrote: »

ok were are not talking about anglers who fish responsibly, that goes without saying....

yes you are correct it is very hard to release a small grilse when hooked on worm.... i know i fish worms myself....in a flood the fish will more often than not will take it deep, especially on the moy .....dont mind all that rubbish you hear about people hooking them in the lips and all that bluff its total nonsense, sounds great on paper but does not happen in practise....if the fish was deep hooked i would kill it promptly and tag it not just fling it back into the river to bleed to death.

with so many small under-sized grilse why don't the fishery board, IFI, whatever they call themselves now, introduce a ban on barbed worm hooks??? so the fish could be 'released' with less harm, ah i suppose that would necessitate a bit of thinking.

Barbed hooks are banned in canada and in the us as far as i know for that very reason. Would make alot of sense

SeaFields · 22-07-2010 2:24pm

Barbed hooks are banned in many places at certain times of the year. Cant see why this couldn't be extended to the entire season. Also would a bailiff realistically ask to check your hook to see if it was barbless?

ironbluedun · 22-07-2010 2:26pm

lofty95 wrote: »

Barbed hooks are banned in canada and in the us as far as i know for that very reason. Would make alot of sense

well i fished in canada a few years back and they are light years ahead of us on conservation issues, no treble hooks and only barb-less singles allowed....even spinners only have single hooks....for 10-11 foot sturgeon its single barb-less hooks and it works....ah in about 25 years time we might catch up with the rest of the world

ironbluedun · 22-07-2010 2:28pm

SeaFields wrote: »

Barbed hooks are banned in many places at certain times of the year. Cant see why this couldn't be extended to the entire season. Also would a bailiff realistically ask to check your hook to see if it was barbless?

well if they can check tags they can check hooks while they are at it.....

SeaFields · 22-07-2010 2:44pm

ironbluedun wrote: »

well if they can check tags they can check hooks while they are at it.....

Very true Ironblue, very true...

jwshooter · 22-07-2010 3:38pm

No barbed or triple hooks on the slaney or tributaries .

every angler should have to carry and use a de hooker

wgsten · 22-07-2010 8:26pm

On the rivers that are open for the fishing of Salmon you are allowed to use barbed hooks where as on the rivers that are closed for the fishing of Salmon you can only use barbless hooks for all fishing. Looks like the catching of Salmon on the open rivers is wanted by the boards!!??
wgsten
http://www.irishflyfisher.ie/

SeaFields · 23-07-2010 9:17am

I guess the talk of the place being like an abattoir wasnt entirely inaccurate...

An article on the numbers of salmon caught on the moy last week here

ironbluedun · 23-07-2010 9:53am

the figure of 2000 salmon was REPORTED fish caught from East Mayo water down to The Moy fishery in Ballina.....knowing the river and the anglers i would estimate the actual catch to have been a good bit higher as a considerable amount of fish are not reported..... there is a lot of water from Kilasser to Ballina!! utterly impossible to monitor it all..... indeed many times i have caught fish and not 'reported' the catch to anyone...as far as i am aware there is no obligation to do so.....i suppose when the licenses’ are returned they can establish accurate figures then, at least for the fish that were tagged that is….

JMB88 · 28-07-2010 3:26pm

Thinking of hitting the Moy Friday / Saturday. Whats the river like at the moment does anyone know?

ironbluedun · 28-07-2010 3:38pm

JMB88 wrote: »

Thinking of hitting the Moy Friday / Saturday. Whats the river like at the moment does anyone know?

dropping and clearing...the big run has tapered off a bit now but fish still pushing...river should be in good form fri/sat....

Compton · 29-07-2010 2:50pm

it's tapered off, but there's one thing to keep in mind, there are thousands of fish somewhere up the system to be found

ironbluedun · 29-07-2010 3:23pm

most of them are in conn and that is where they will stay until october

Compton · 29-07-2010 3:27pm

Thats true, but there is deffinatley a lot of fish resting in pools all the way up the river.

Octopus · 29-07-2010 6:02pm

Plenty of fish in the river.
Very little caught from last Saturday through till tuesday anyway, not sure of yesterday.
It's been put down to the high pressure and the humidity.
Change of weather given tomorrow with lower pressure and rain which should improve things.

A lot of locals grumbling about not catching anything this week despite the amount of fish in the river. I'm surprised they have room left in their fridges/freezers :rolleyes:

geros29 · 09-10-2016 9:32am

This thread came to an abrupt end!how was lads season?

thefisherbuy · 09-10-2016 3:43pm

2010 is well over

:D

2016 was middlen Not much water only top ups in my Area ( The west ) herd it was great on the blackwater..

Amerika · 11-10-2016 8:57pm

What types of trout and salmon are there in Ireland, and what are the most sought after species?

I live in the US in the state of Pennsylvania. These are what our state has:

Trout:
Brook trout, Brown trout, Rainbow trout, Golden Rainbow trout, Steelhead trout, and Lake trout

Salmon:
Atlantic salmon, Pacific Salmon, Coho Salmon, Chinook Salmon, and Pink Salmon.

I’ve caught all trout species except for the Golden, and have only caught the Atlantic in the salmon species.

geros29 · 11-10-2016 9:05pm

thefisherbuy wrote: »

2010 is well over :D

2016 was middlen Not much water only top ups in my Area ( The west ) herd it was great on the blackwater..

Just started salmon fishing this year.only august sept.got 4 fish.lost a couple.rushing to get them landed.was pretty chuffed though.

thefisherbuy · 11-10-2016 9:06pm

Atlantic Salmon

Sea trout, Brown Trout, Charr, Brown trout, Ferox ( Basically a Large brown trout ) Also there types of Brown trout that are native to certain lakes Like Lough Melvin (google it ) There Called sonaghan, gillaroo

Theres a Few other But I forget em!

thefisherbuy · 11-10-2016 9:06pm

geros29 wrote: »

Just started salmon fishing this year.only august sept.got 4 fish.lost a couple.rushing to get them landed.was pretty chuffed though.

4 Is good for your first year, What were they caught on?

geros29 · 11-10-2016 9:10pm

Amerika wrote: »

What types of trout and salmon are there in Ireland, and what are the most sought after species?

I live in the US in the state of Pennsylvania. These are what our state has:

Trout:
Brook trout, Brown trout, Rainbow trout, Golden Rainbow trout, Steelhead trout, and Lake trout

Salmon:
Atlantic salmon, Pacific Salmon, Coho Salmon, Chinook Salmon, and Pink Salmon.

I’ve caught all trout species except for the Golden, and have only caught the Atlantic in the salmon species.

We only have one salmon species.the Atlantic salmon.
As for trout we have native brown trout and sea trout which are browns that go to sea to feed.
Also have rainbows introduced here for fisheries.
Ferox trout.
Prob others too but not coming to mind

geros29 · 11-10-2016 10:00pm

thefisherbuy wrote: »

4 Is good for your first year, What were they caught on?

Ya was happy enough to be honest.got em on shrimp.1 on worm.

thefisherbuy · 14-10-2016 10:15am

geros29 wrote: »

Ya was happy enough to be honest.got em on shrimp.1 on worm.

Good going only 5 for me All on the fly though.. Should give it a go next season.

geros29 · 16-10-2016 1:10am

thefisherbuy wrote: »

Good going only 5 for me All on the fly though.. Should give it a go next season.

Trying to cast a shrimp is tough enough on my local river(glengarriff)not to mind a fly. Some day I would love to catch a salmon on a fly though.

SeaFields · 25-10-2016 9:16pm

Friendly hint....everyone remembered to return their 2016 licence didn't they.

Olwas2014 · 27-10-2016 12:54pm

I returned mine early at the end of September as I pretty much called it a day for the year!

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