So what happen to global warming? cos I 'm fecken' Freezing

c4cat · 20-12-2009 5:18pm #1

Is it a government scam or what??

copacetic · 20-12-2009 5:20pm

ah, I get your sig now.

dsmythy · 20-12-2009 5:21pm

Saying this is as pointless as saying the recent floods were related to global warming.

Mint Sauce · 20-12-2009 5:22pm

c4cat wrote: »

Is it a government scam or what??

yes, they siphoned your oil tank

TestTransmission · 20-12-2009 5:23pm

"climate change" is the new buzzwords,get with the times

c4cat · 20-12-2009 5:23pm

irish-stew wrote: »

yes, they siphoned your oil tank

fecken bar stewards who ever did that!!!!!!!!

wudangclan · 20-12-2009 5:24pm

Yes.
All the world governments have got together,hiring an army of scientists,so that they can perpetrate this scam on us ,to make us reduce the amount of carbon we release into the atmosphere.
Fiendish.

Abi · 20-12-2009 5:25pm

c4cat wrote: »

Is it a government scam or what??

No. It's the winter.

PLIIM · 20-12-2009 5:25pm

jackncoke wrote: »

"climate change" is the new buzzwords,get with the times

Yes, if the current description or evidence does not describe what is happening you must change it to something that will cover more spurious data.

We couldnt change to global cooling, in case the planet started warming up again, so climate change will cover everything. Now industry and governments can go back to making BILLIONS from the whole climate debate.

Ruu_Old · 20-12-2009 5:26pm

It changed to global cooling.

mikom · 20-12-2009 5:34pm

Global codology tbh.

Wertz · 20-12-2009 5:35pm

It flew south for the winter.

laugh · 20-12-2009 5:39pm

Did the melting ice disrupt the Atlantic drift already? That was quick.

Musashi · 20-12-2009 6:09pm

It was all made up by scientists apparently, I love conspiracy sites!

http://www.examiner.com/x-25570-Grand-Rapids-Conservative-Examiner~y2009m12d16-Copenhagen-Al-Goreing-the-Truth-on-Climate-Change

MagicMarker · 20-12-2009 6:11pm

It's on holidays.

imported_guy · 20-12-2009 6:13pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuovqFwUtDc

lulz happened im freezing too

love how global warming turned into "climate change"

Pedro K · 20-12-2009 6:52pm

MagicMarker wrote: »

It's on holidays.

No, It's on strike!

El Guapo! · 20-12-2009 7:09pm

Pedro K wrote: »

No, It's on strike!

Paul Gogarty told it to "F*CK OFF"

Pedro K · 20-12-2009 7:13pm

Dean09 wrote: »

Paul Gogarty told it to "F*CK OFF"

F*CK OFF Deputy Global Warming, F*ck off!

alexcorb1991 · 20-12-2009 7:26pm

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/weather/12/20/winter.weather/index.html

Day after tommorrow is soon to be a documentary:eek:

Zillah · 20-12-2009 7:29pm

Most likely it is cold now because it is the middle of winter. Its not even record cold so this probably has nothing to do with anything.

That said, global warming means an average global increase in temperature. This does not mean that any given person will experience a noticeable increase. The climate is a very complex set of delicate systems, increase the average temperature and you mess those systems up. Some places get colder, some hotter, some dryer, some wetter. On average the planet is a little warmer but the real danger is the radical disruption to the patterns in the atmosphere and oceans.

What we would probably see in Ireland is this: Ireland is kept relatively warm by the north atlantic drift, which is a shitload of warm water from further south washing across the western european coast. Global warming causes ice to melt, which dumps fresh water into the sea, which screws up the north atlantic drift, which means we stop getting warm water surrounding the country, which means the average temperature in Ireland drops ridiculously, like ten degrees or something, the kind of winters that central europe gets now. The planet is warmer, but we're freezing our asses off.

Don't worry though, it is probably your great grandchildren who will have to deal with it.

20-12-2009 7:32pm

imported_guy wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuovqFwUtDc

lulz happened im freezing too

love how global warming turned into "climate change"

It's the naughty El Nino, never got a suntan this past few years - fewer sunspots... :pac:
http://www.accuweather.com/video-on-demand.asp?video=41870064001

PLIIM · 20-12-2009 8:22pm

Zillah wrote: »

Most likely it is cold now because it is the middle of winter. Its not even record cold so this probably has nothing to do with anything.

That said, global warming means an average global increase in temperature. This does not mean that any given person will experience a noticeable increase. The climate is a very complex set of delicate systems, increase the average temperature and you mess those systems up. Some places get colder, some hotter, some dryer, some wetter. On average the planet is a little warmer but the real danger is the radical disruption to the patterns in the atmosphere and oceans.

What we would probably see in Ireland is this: Ireland is kept relatively warm by the north atlantic drift, which is a shitload of warm water from further south washing across the western european coast. Global warming causes ice to melt, which dumps fresh water into the sea, which screws up the north atlantic drift, which means we stop getting warm water surrounding the country, which means the average temperature in Ireland drops ridiculously, like ten degrees or something, the kind of winters that central europe gets now. The planet is warmer, but we're freezing our asses off.

Don't worry though, it is probably your great grandchildren who will have to deal with it.

Any proof by any chance? Real proof i mean, not made up.

mickdw · 20-12-2009 8:27pm

Its a very real issue global warming. We all know that the porsche 911 was responsible for the end of the ice age.

sock puppet · 20-12-2009 8:31pm

PLIIM wrote: »

Any proof by any chance? Real proof i mean, not made up.

It's a pretty well known fact that the gulf stream is a major factor in keeping Ireland and the UK warm. Compare the temperatures here with in Canada for example.

Mahatma coat · 20-12-2009 8:44pm

sock puppet wrote: »

It's a pretty well known fact that the gulf stream is a major factor in keeping Ireland and the UK warm. Compare the temperatures here with in Canada for example.

See I love this about Global Warming Sheeple, this bit is sorta trueish or at least has some basis in fact)

this however

Most likely it is cold now because it is the middle of winter. Its not even record cold so this probably has nothing to do with anything.

That said, global warming means an average global increase in temperature. This does not mean that any given person will experience a noticeable increase. The climate is a very complex set of delicate systems, increase the average temperature and you mess those systems up. Some places get colder, some hotter, some dryer, some wetter. On average the planet is a little warmer but the real danger is the radical disruption to the patterns in the atmosphere and oceans.

What we would probably see in Ireland is this: Ireland is kept relatively warm by the north atlantic drift, which is a ****load of warm water from further south washing across the western european coast. Global warming causes ice to melt, which dumps fresh water into the sea, which screws up the north atlantic drift, which means we stop getting warm water surrounding the country, which means the average temperature in Ireland drops ridiculously, like ten degrees or something, the kind of winters that central europe gets now. The planet is warmer, but we're freezing our asses off.

Don't worry though, it is probably your great grandchildren who will have to deal with it.

is nothing more than Conjecture and scaremongering wrapped up in Emotive 'wont smeone think of the Great GrankKids' bollox.

liberal and rather imaginative use of the word probably, try to include reference to some geographic feature that you think you know something about, but above all appeal to emotion over logic.

Turtwig · 20-12-2009 8:47pm

Well they had a heat wave in Europe a few years ago so by your logic that's irrefutable proof that the climate is warming!:rolleyes:

utick · 20-12-2009 8:55pm

Malty_T wrote: »

Well they had a heat wave in Europe a few years ago so by your logic that's irrefutable proof that the climate is warming!:rolleyes:

have you forgotten, its now called climate change that way anytime the climate is in any way shape or form not right on average it can be blamed on all us horrible humans

Turtwig · 20-12-2009 9:01pm

utick wrote: »

have you forgotten, its now called climate change that way anytime the climate is in any way shape or form not right on average it can be blamed on all us horrible humans

Volcanoes are our fault!!!
I knew it,dam clandestine Americans:rolleyes:

Em,
It's called Anthropogenic Global Warming.
It's just the media, these days, like always, tend to get fail miserably when it comes to science.

imported_guy · 20-12-2009 9:07pm

Malty_T wrote: »

Volcanoes are our fault!!!
I knew it,dam clandestine Americans:rolleyes:

Em,
It's called Anthropogenic Global Warming.
It's just the media, these days, like always, tend to get fail miserably when it comes to science.

potato harvest went well, no other news to report :rolleyes:

Turtwig · 20-12-2009 9:31pm

imported_guy wrote: »

potato harvest went well, no other news to report :rolleyes:

Yeah and it's such a pity they won't be able (or at least it will be very difficult) to harvest in Ireland come the next half century.

Sofiztikated · 20-12-2009 11:15pm

Malty_T wrote: »

Yeah and it's such a pity they won't be able (or at least it will be very difficult) to harvest in Ireland come the next half century.

Why's that now? Sure we've loads of workers. Damn fodinners, stealing our spuds.

utick · 20-12-2009 11:49pm

Malty_T wrote: »

Volcanoes are our fault!!!
I knew it,dam clandestine Americans:rolleyes:

Em,
It's called Anthropogenic Global Warming.
It's just the media, these days, like always, tend to get fail miserably when it comes to science.

so what does ipcc stand for then?? did the media make that up too, is it really supposed to be ipagw??

Turtwig · 20-12-2009 11:52pm

utick wrote: »

so what does ipcc stand for then??

Inter Governmental Panel on Climate Change.
(Impartial)

"Inter Governmental Panel on AGW"
(Biased)

"Inter Governmental Panel on natural warming"
(Biased)

etc etc

Pompey Magnus · 21-12-2009 12:02am

Zillah wrote: »

What we would probably see in Ireland is this: Ireland is kept relatively warm by the north atlantic drift, which is a shitload of warm water from further south washing across the western european coast. Global warming causes ice to melt, which dumps fresh water into the sea, which screws up the north atlantic drift, which means we stop getting warm water surrounding the country, which means the average temperature in Ireland drops ridiculously, like ten degrees or something, the kind of winters that central europe gets now. The planet is warmer, but we're freezing our asses off.

Scientists don't actually know the effect that global warming will have on the North Atlantic Drift, an overall cooling of the water does not necessarily mean a shutdown of the thermohaline cycle. Studies have shown that a cooling of the waters feeding the Florida current into the Gulf stream actually lead to a strengthening on the cycle and later warming lead to it weaking.

The current scientific understanding of the effects climate change will have on the Gulf Stream reminds me of Donald Rumsfeld's explanation of where the Iraqi WMDs were located: "We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat"

Or in this case: "We know what will happen as the Atlantic cools. It will cause the Gulf Stream to weaken significantly or else strengthen significantly...or maybe change insignificantly or stay the same."

utick · 21-12-2009 12:14am

Malty_T wrote: »

Inter Governmental Panel on Climate Change.
(Impartial)

"Inter Governmental Panel on AGW"
(Biased)

"Inter Governmental Panel on natural warming"
(Biased)

etc etc

but i thought you said climate change was just a media term

Turtwig · 21-12-2009 12:14am

Charco wrote: »

Or in this case: "We know what will happen as the Atlantic cools. It will cause the Gulf Stream to weaken significantly or else strengthen significantly...or maybe change insignificantly or stay the same."

Did someone actually say that?

21-12-2009 12:21am

Charco wrote: »

Or in this case: "We know what will happen as the Atlantic cools. It will cause the Gulf Stream to weaken significantly or else strengthen significantly...or maybe change insignificantly or stay the same."

Or put it another way, we don't know what the trigger is or how much longer or shorter the gulf stream will end up, but we do know that the affects on European & North African/ Middle east climate will be considerable.

Just watched a documentory that charted the start and the end of the Egyptian empire 2000 BC, it claims that there was a sudden climatic change (original cause not mentioned) the gulf stream shifted and the formally green Sahara became a desert! These changes were rapid (within the lifetime if a human) and still with us today. The desertification forced the Peoples of the north Sahara east towards the Nile where the Egyptian empire of the pyramid builders settled for hundreds of years. Then another short term shift in the gulf stream gave Egypt several years of severe drought, severe enough to collapse the empire.

If the Gulf stream weakens and stops at Portugal instead of west of Ireland, we're in for an Ice age and the Sahara will start to green again, further north and the Mediteranian regions will become arid.

Turtwig · 21-12-2009 12:25am

utick wrote: »

but i thought you said climate change was just a media term

Yep, the media continuously use it when referring to AGW, kinda like they continuously mix up other terms l(e.g correlation,causation, evidence,hypothesis,theory) and then just resort to authority figures in an attempt to sound credible.
Pah!

ScissorPaperRock · 21-12-2009 2:02am

utick wrote: »

but i thought you said climate change was just a media term

It's not just a media term, it's just that the media use it incorrectly.

The media have helped spread this massive misconception that climate change needs to be stopped, and that CO2 emissions are the cause.

Because of this, some people aren't accepting the idea that we collectively need to reduce emissions. A) because people know climate has always changed and

people don't agree that we are controlling the climate, or that we should be trying to control the climate.

But, the real issue is the human contribution to climate change. In what way, and by how much are we changing the path of climate? This is what climate scientists are referring to when they talk about what we need to do.

bnt · 21-12-2009 2:10am

I find it amusing that people can take a system as complicated, chaotic and interdependent as the global climate, and think they understand it by looking at one bit of it - the bit in front of them. At least the climatologists are looking at the whole globe, from the Arctic to the Antarctic, from the sea to to stratosphere, when making projections. It's not perfect, but no-one's saying it is.

Mahatma coat · 21-12-2009 8:46am

So if the Gulf Stream Weakens will we notice any difference when we let the water out of the Bath???

Serious Question BTW

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 21-12-2009 9:29am

Not this sh!t again...

21-12-2009 2:59pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Or put it another way, we don't know what the trigger is or how much longer or shorter the gulf stream will end up, but we do know that the affects on European & North African/ Middle east climate will be considerable.

Just watched a documentory that charted the start and the end of the Egyptian empire 2000 BC, it claims that there was a sudden climatic change (original cause not mentioned) the gulf stream shifted and the formally green Sahara became a desert! These changes were rapid (within the lifetime if a human) and still with us today. The desertification forced the Peoples of the north Sahara east towards the Nile where the Egyptian empire of the pyramid builders settled for hundreds of years. Then another short term shift in the gulf stream gave Egypt several years of severe drought, severe enough to collapse the empire.

If the Gulf stream weakens and stops at Portugal instead of west of Ireland, we're in for an Ice age and the Sahara will start to green again, further north and the Mediteranian regions will become arid.

There is NO computer model that predicts the failure of the gulf stream even the worst case scenarios from the IPCC with 5c temp rises

ScissorPaperRock · 21-12-2009 5:50pm

Deleted User wrote: »

There is NO computer model that predicts the failure of the gulf stream even the worst case scenarios from the IPCC with 5c temp rises

Some do. In some model experiments the thermohaline circulation that warms the North Atlantic area collapses completely given enough time and enough of a rise in CO2.

The statistics that the IPCC present are based on estimates averaged across many models, which at present seem to indicate that it is unlikely to collapse.

One other thing, re people saying that an increase in temperature of 1-6 degrees celcius is very low. You have to keep in mind that these are global averages. Some places will experience much higher rates of warming than others. Also, land areas surface temperatures will experience on average around 40% more warming than the global average. (Oceans surface temperatures are much less because they can store much more heat)

22-12-2009 2:06pm

I think that anyone who has a strong belief in AGW really should watch this series!
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/man-on-earth/episode-guide/series-1

Series Summary Tony Robinson

Tony Robinson travels back through 200,000 years of human history to find out what happened to our ancestors when violent climate change turned their world upside down, and what they teach us as we face our own climate crisis today. While some civilisations flourished, others were destroyed. Vicious and sudden changes to the climate killed millions; but benign change has enabled humans to multiply and develop at an extraordinary pace.

Using CGI effects and stunning imagery, this series illustrates how climate has shaped human history from the beginning. Tony seeks answers at some of the world's most important and intriguing archaeological sites, speaking to leading archaeologists, historians and climate scientists.

The next "Climate change" will happen regardless of what Humans do, no matter how much we pay the "intermediates to the climate gods!" Like the Mayan's did.

Turtwig · 22-12-2009 2:12pm

Vicious and sudden changes to the climate killed millions; but benign change has enabled humans to multiply and develop at an extraordinary pace.

Hmm...so we could be responsible for the unnecessary death's of millions. I mean it's one thing when the climate changes itself, but if we're changing it we could be responsible for all those deaths??

The next "Climate change" will happen regardless of what Humans do, no matter how much we pay the "intermediates to the climate gods!" Like the Mayan's did.

The next asteroid collision will happen regardless of what Humans do too, it doesn't mean we're not going to try and stop developing techniques from preventing it. I gotta say while I appreciate your fatalistic attitude and bravery, I'd rather the human species did everything they could to maximise survival and preserve the excellent standard of life we have achieved and more importantly improve upon it for ourselves and others.

22-12-2009 2:18pm

Malty_T wrote: »

Hmm...so we could be responsible for the unnecessary death's of millions. I mean it's one thing when the climate changes itself, but if we're changing it we could be responsible for all those deaths??

The next asteroid collision will happen regardless of what Humans do too, it doesn't mean we're not going to try and stop developing techniques from preventing it. I gotta say while I appreciate your fatalistic attitude and bravery, I'd rather the human species did everything they could to maximise survival wouldn't you?

Do you really think that you could change the climate sufficiently to prevent the next change, nuclear winter anyone!

Turtwig · 22-12-2009 2:22pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Do you really think that you could change the climate sufficiently to prevent the next change, nuclear winter anyone!

Do you really think we should just sit back and go "uhh what happens happens"?
Tell me why we shouldn't try?

22-12-2009 2:27pm

Malty_T wrote: »

Do you really think we should just sit back and go "uhh what happens happens"?
Tell me why we shouldn't try?

Population control and habitat preservation will be more beneficial than carbon trading (tax) etc.

ScumLord · 22-12-2009 2:30pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Population control and habitat preservation will be more beneficial than carbon trading (tax) etc.

And that's only the start of it, there are 100's of real enviromental issues they should be looking at rather than climate change.

So what happen to global warming? cos I 'm fecken' Freezing

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