Van Halen woeful on Jimmy Kimmel

Wrongway1985 · 01-04-2015 1:26pm #1

Anybody see these clips? embarrassingly bad...

For a band I've always wanted to see these clips would have me second guessing, so disappointing. Festival wise always assumed they'd be headliners but how could any festival install VH as headliners with performances like that, they'd be a sub for the novelty I'm guessin. Laughably they are using the Jimmy Kimmel show as a platform to promote a live album then.

Passenger · 01-04-2015 2:27pm

Eddie sounds great tbh. DLR's voice on the other hand... Yowza!

Sugarlumps · 01-04-2015 3:33pm

Roth's performances have been constantly under par since he re-joined.

endacl · 01-04-2015 3:38pm

Sugarlumps wrote: »

Roth's performances have been constantly under par since he re-joined.

And the rock solid bass foundation left with Michael Anthony when he was fcuked over in favour of Eddie's fat kid.

Sugarlumps · 01-04-2015 3:42pm

endacl wrote: »

And the rock solid bass foundation left with Michael Anthony when he was fcuked over in favour of Eddie's fat kid.

He has a good thing going with Hagar & Bonham.

endacl · 01-04-2015 3:46pm

Sugarlumps wrote: »

He has a good thing going with Hagar & Bonham.

He has a great thing going! When life gives you lemons...

Harry Palmr · 01-04-2015 4:13pm

meh, unless you get a disease you'll be able to play guitar until you die basically, whereas the voice-box is definitely prone to wear and tear.

briany · 01-04-2015 7:31pm

Everyone besides DLR sound very good. The backing vocals are better than Roth's main ones by a good margin. Roth is starting to look a bit like Freddie Starr.

RayCon · 01-04-2015 11:58pm

sugarman wrote: »

Druming is fairly poor, Alex is way offl.

Glad I wasnt the only one to think so ...

JaseBelleVie · 02-04-2015 12:20am

I'm sickened.

Van Halen are my favourite band, but this is pretty bad.

I thought Eddie was spot on. The rest of the band, not so much. Alex was definitely a bit off. DLR's vocals aren't as bad as some make out, but definitely not up to scratch. I was always opposed to Wolfgang, and this just made the point. That kids seriously needs to consider getting bass lessons, singing lessons and trying salads.

Jesus H, that is so sad to see, when you consider the glory of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOmHNsthoeo

and so on. Search YouTube for glorious 1970's/1980's videos of Van Halen in full throttle.

The biggest problem for me is definitely Wolfgang. I cannot abide the chap. I'm sure he's a lovely bloke, but seriously? I mean, come on. That is just a joke at this stage.

AllGunsBlazing · 02-04-2015 1:20am

Another one from the stadium rock era that doesn't know when to call it a day. There's a lot of them out there lumbering about.

Grid. · 02-04-2015 2:29am

Horrific.....shudda called it a day after Sammy quit!:p

scudzilla · 02-04-2015 3:25am

The ONLY good thing about that performance was how Eddie looks and played

Sugarlumps · 02-04-2015 8:44am

The new live album is at least live sounding, instead of being over dubbed to death.

Roanmore · 02-04-2015 9:01am

DLR hit himself with the mike stand on his nose before the first song. The performance had to be stopped and a plaster fitted, not too sure if it affected his performance.

furiousox · 02-04-2015 9:05am

Saw them in '84 when they were at their peak I suppose.
The live album isn't as bad as I expected.
Vocals are sub-par alright but EVH still has it.

Motley Crue · 02-04-2015 10:43am

Roanmore wrote: »

DLR hit himself with the mike stand on his nose before the first song. The performance had to be stopped and a plaster fitted, not too sure if it affected his performance.

Saw Roth in Vicar Street in 2004, was one of the best shows I've ever been too, really sad to see this performance but time moves on

rednik · 02-04-2015 1:17pm

To be fair Dave is a great showman but has never been a great singer live and as a long time VH fan I am surprised they released a live album so late. The band have never released any live material with Dave with fans wanting the Oakland 81 or the US festival 83 released.

The live album is a decent effort and if they had chosen the vocals could have been touched up in the studio but wasn't. Ironically putting all the lyrics in the slip note is funny as Dave never sticks to them. Wolf is a good musician but Mike will always be missed especially for his backing vocals. The band have an appearance on the Ellen show tonight.

Dave would never put me off going to see them, I was going to go to the States but as they announced the tour so late the dates do not suit me. I live in hope they come across to Europe.

Motley Crue · 03-04-2015 11:25am

Passenger wrote: »

Eddie sounds great tbh. DLR's voice on the other hand... Yowza!

I think Dave let the side down here

You have to feel sorry for Wolfgang. He gets virtually no up close camera shots (I'm struggling to find one) and his backing vocals aren't half bad, he is essentially carrying DLR, but the echo in the microphone means you can barely hear him.

On top of that he's actually a pretty nice guy - I met him when he was playing bass with Tremonti in the UK a few years back - and he isn't as "my father is EVH you know" as you might think, he's very unassuming and knows he is in an exceptionally blessed position.

But, of course, he's not Michael Anthony...

Furious-Red · 03-04-2015 5:19pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDh5xhekGb8

Not as bad as Jimmy Kimmel but Alex is really struggling behind the kit

Liam McPoyle · 03-04-2015 6:00pm

VH were never anything more than a comedy band imo.

Sugarlumps · 03-04-2015 10:20pm

Furious-Red wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDh5xhekGb8

Not as bad as Jimmy Kimmel but Alex is really struggling behind the kit

Can't hear any struggle?

endacl · 04-04-2015 2:58pm

Sugarlumps wrote: »

Can't hear any struggle?

Well, you would if he was playing live...

Check the last minute or so. The stick waving doesn't match the beats. He seems to be stumbling at moments.

slavetothegrind · 04-04-2015 3:58pm

eddie sounds great in fairness, yes the drumming was not good enough and dave's vocal was BAAAD!

But to the poster who saw fit to call Wolfgang a poor bass player? Wrong. i'm guessing you don't play the instrument yourself.

endacl · 04-04-2015 4:17pm

slavetothegrind wrote: »

eddie sounds great in fairness, yes the drumming was not good enough and dave's vocal was BAAAD!

But to the poster who saw fit to call Wolfgang a poor bass player? Wrong. i'm guessing you don't play the instrument yourself.

Don't think that was me, but....

He's an adequate bass player. Which is all VH need from a bass player. Adequate and solid. Which is what Michael Anthony was. He did what he did well. WVH also does it well, but he's hardly an upgrade to the musician who was there from the start, put in decades of work, and found out he'd lost the gig when he saw the press conference announcing his replacement. He's been an absolute gent about it, and a model of dignity, but he did get fcuked over in the unnecessary line up change.

VH have become a bit of a joke, TBH.

Harry Palmr · 04-04-2015 4:20pm

Business Cat wrote: »

VH were never anything more than a comedy band imo.

Yeah right :rolleyes:

slavetothegrind · 04-04-2015 5:09pm

endacl wrote: »

Don't think that was me, but....

He's an adequate bass player. Which is all VH need from a bass player. Adequate and solid. Which is what Michael Anthony was. He did what he did well. WVH also does it well, but he's hardly an upgrade to the musician who was there from the start, put in decades of work, and found out he'd lost the gig when he saw the press conference announcing his replacement. He's been an absolute gent about it, and a model of dignity, but he did get fcuked over in the unnecessary line up change.

VH have become a bit of a joke, TBH.

no not you, jasebellevie, i agree on michael anthony being fcuked over completely!

wouldn't have known anything about WVH only for his being in Tremonti.

I just felt it was unfair to single him out of that performance where the issues were all drummer and singer, as others said the backing vocals were superior to Dave's by some way.

on a positive note eddie had a monster guitar tone going on!!!!

Would i pay to see them? NO.

if micheal anthony and sammy hagar were there yes, yes i would!

RayCon · 04-04-2015 6:36pm

there was a time when I would have loved to see Van Halen live ... not now though. DLR's performances are unacceptably poor and Alex seems to be struggling and you can be sure the ticket prices would be $$$$

rednik · 04-04-2015 9:31pm

Decided to go as they may not come over, got 2 tickets to the Aug 1st show in the Infinity Center MA.

Furious-Red · 05-04-2015 2:38am

Sugarlumps wrote: »

Can't hear any struggle?

Ah im a drummer myself so i can sometimes be anal about other peoples playing ha. Yea i just felt he missed a few fills . Kinda felt he was just playing over Eddie and Wolfgang who carried DLR and Alex for the performance

Sugarlumps · 05-04-2015 1:12pm

endacl wrote: »

Well, you would if he was playing live...

Check the last minute or so. The stick waving doesn't match the beats. He seems to be stumbling at moments.

We must be watching a different video so.

Sugarlumps · 05-04-2015 1:30pm

Furious-Red wrote: »

Ah im a drummer myself so i can sometimes be anal about other peoples playing ha. Yea i just felt he missed a few fills . Kinda felt he was just playing over Eddie and Wolfgang who carried DLR and Alex for the performance

His playing is kinda loose, I've watched a few live versions. Each version alternates, he's probably played this song a billion times.

He wouldn't be a robotic player like a Peart. There's a heavy use of cymbals on this version. I just don't see anything glaring, certainly not struggling.

JaseBelleVie · 05-04-2015 2:42pm

Van Halen a comedy band? One of the most influential rock/metal bands ever, containing one of the greatest guitarists of all time and one of the most brilliant and influential frontmen of all time? One of only 5 rock bands to have two or more Diamond albums (10,000,000+ sales) in the United States (the other 4 being Led Zeppelin, Def Leppard, The Beatles and Pink Floyd)? Their peak era (1978-91) seeing them release some of the best rock/metal albums of all time?

Yeah, sure they're only a comedy band. Just a joke.

Not a chance. One of the best, most original, most influential and simply brilliant rock/metal bands ever. Without them, very few of the big hitters of the 1980's and beyond would have existed. Eddie Van Halen influenced countless people to pick up the guitar. David Lee Roth took Robert Plant's blueprint, made it his own and inspired countless frontmen thereafter.

Legends.

rednik · 05-04-2015 7:57pm

A superb band with a lot of history mainly in the US. Eddie one of the greatest guitar players in history, the six pack all great albums. Dave leaving in 85 didn't help as 5150 was almost ready to go. Cannot wait to see them and maybe they will come across for some shows as they will not be around forever.

Roanmore · 08-04-2015 8:34pm

Sammy's not impressed with the new album

http://classicrock.teamrock.com/news/2015-04-08/sammy-slams-rough-roth-vocals

kona · 08-04-2015 9:01pm

DLR doesn't seem that bad. The bass on the otherhand.....

bnt · 09-04-2015 12:10am

I've seen video of Wolfgang with Tremonti, and it left me in no doubt that the kid can deliver the goods if he gets the chance. He got a call from Tremonti and was on stage 24h later. The bass isn't cutting through in these clips.

Motley Crue · 11-04-2015 12:41pm

bnt wrote: »

I've seen video of Wolfgang with Tremonti, and it left me in no doubt that the kid can deliver the goods if he gets the chance. He got a call from Tremonti and was on stage 24h later. The bass isn't cutting through in these clips.

He can indeed. He's a solid player. He's only in Van Halen as the vehicle through which to bring attention to his potential. He's not there to contribute in any professional sense. I'd imagine on any future VH studio album (should there be one and should he contribute) that he won't be writing anything and that his Dad will probably just write and track all his bass parts...that last album strikes me as something he had minimal to no involvement in writing wise

beauf · 11-04-2015 1:08pm

Was a big fan of VH in the day, especially of the old stuff. EVH tone is probably my favourite guitar sound.

But this was brutal. Mainly DLR he's just not able for it. It's cruel to see him like this.

furiousox · 11-04-2015 7:40pm

Ah sure he's grand.....

senordingdong · 12-05-2015 2:16pm

JaseBelleVie wrote: »

Van Halen a comedy band? One of the most influential rock/metal bands ever, containing one of the greatest guitarists of all time and one of the most brilliant and influential frontmen of all time? One of only 5 rock bands to have two or more Diamond albums (10,000,000+ sales) in the United States (the other 4 being Led Zeppelin, Def Leppard, The Beatles and Pink Floyd)? Their peak era (1978-91) seeing them release some of the best rock/metal albums of all time?

Yeah, sure they're only a comedy band. Just a joke.

Not a chance. One of the best, most original, most influential and simply brilliant rock/metal bands ever. Without them, very few of the big hitters of the 1980's and beyond would have existed. Eddie Van Halen influenced countless people to pick up the guitar. David Lee Roth took Robert Plant's blueprint, made it his own and inspired countless frontmen thereafter.

Legends.

All legitimate points, but their constant make up, break up routine is almost childish.

Van Halen woeful on Jimmy Kimmel

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