Youths Rugby

D14Rugby · 15-02-2017 4:16pm

MrJones2013 wrote: »

What will the kids ignore? They're not going to even dream of playing/training with their club for fear they will be dropped by the school and even worse targeted by staff members for 'turning their back' on the school.

Who is going to challenge things like this? As I said the schools are a law unto themselves, they set out and designed rules during the off season, presented them to the branch at the start of this season and have broken their own rules themselves with no sanctions coming from the branch.

what rules have they broken?

Quin_Dub · 15-02-2017 4:59pm

D14Rugby wrote: »

what rules have they broken?

Panels were supposed to be submitted by early Sept (9th I think) - And if they were not submitted the schools were supposed to be barred from the Cup. Several schools didn't submit panels until December and of course they all played in the cup. But in the meantime , Clubs didn't know who was available and who wasn't.

Panels were supposed to be locked on submission in September with the only changes allowed being for injuries and if a player was removed they couldn't return. However they've removed players , added them back , changed and pretty much done whatever they please as far as panels go. One school made 14 changes to their panel in January and they were allowed.

Panels were only supposed to contain a maximum of 5 U17's , several teams have a lot more than 5 U'17's on their squads.

Basically , they've ignored virtually all the rules they themselves created and submitted and not a single sanction has been applied to a single school by the Munster Branch.

In Munster at least , the schools can do what they like when they like with apparent impunity.

MrJones2013 · 15-02-2017 6:11pm

I know of a certain 'A' school player who transferred from a 'B' school last year and went straight in to the 'A' schools senior squad. This was a clear breach of a new rule where a player had to be attending the school for a certain amount of time (I think it's a minimum of 1 year) before he was eligible to play for his new school. The school got around it by re-registering the player with the IRFU under the same name just spelt differently, so essentially the player could have played for both club and school......the branch realised the error when someone finally noticed that a player with the same name (albeit a different spelling), address and date of birth had two registration numbers, but this was only after the player had played a number of games for the school (he hadn't played for his club during this time).

There was no sanction handed down to the school from the Branch despite a conscious decision being made by the school to re-register a player (he had played against them for his 'B' school in the past so they would have known that he had been already registered), clearly breaching the rules.

I'd be fairly confident that if this had been done by any club, and the player re-registered and picked to play in a 'closed' competition, the club would be expelled from the competition......pardon the pun but it is a definite case of 'different rules for different schools'.

The Lost Sheep · 19-02-2017 5:46pm

MrJones2013 wrote: »

What will the kids ignore? They're not going to even dream of playing/training with their club for fear they will be dropped by the school and even worse targeted by staff members for 'turning their back' on the school.

Who is going to challenge things like this? As I said the schools are a law unto themselves, they set out and designed rules during the off season, presented them to the branch at the start of this season and have broken their own rules themselves with no sanctions coming from the branch.

Kids can and do ignore what schools say about you are free to play for club but ...(what quin dub was saying)

Who do you think should be challenging this? The clubs who are affected. Many of whom are clubs where schools play their schools cup games.

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Panels were supposed to be submitted by early Sept (9th I think) - And if they were not submitted the schools were supposed to be barred from the Cup. Several schools didn't submit panels until December and of course they all played in the cup. But in the meantime, Clubs didn't know who was available and who wasn't.
Panels were supposed to be locked on submission in September with the only changes allowed being for injuries and if a player was removed they couldn't return. However they've removed players, added them back, changed and pretty much done whatever they please as far as panels go. One school made 14 changes to their panel in January and they were allowed.
Panels were only supposed to contain a maximum of 5 U17's, several teams have a lot more than 5 U'17's on their squads.
Basically, they've ignored virtually all the rules they themselves created and submitted and not a single sanction has been applied to a single school by the Munster Branch. In Munster at least, the schools can do what they like when they like with apparent impunity.

What do you propose to be done then? Why don't clubs try something different to bring attention to this? How many people outside of direct involvement know of the farcical situation that has been the case for years and ive been playing, coaching or refereeing youths rugby for 15 years....

So back to rugby. Any Munster 16s/18s Cup/Plate results??
I hear knock out draws have been made. Anyone know them??

The Lost Sheep · 06-03-2017 8:19pm

Some of Munster competitions are at semi final stages. Others in quarters. Some leagues in Connacht have finished and cups are ongoing...
What of other provinces?

Quin_Dub · 07-03-2017 10:17am

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Some of Munster competitions are at semi final stages. Others in quarters. Some leagues in Connacht have finished and cups are ongoing...
What of other provinces?

Both the U16 and U18 Munster Youths cups are still at QF stage as a majority of the QF's were not played last weekend due to bad weather. Only 1 QF was played at U18 (Waterpark beating Young Munster) and 2 were played at U16.

Remaining QF's will be played this weekend , the Semi Finals will take place on St Patricks w/e and the finals the following week.

The Lost Sheep · 16-03-2017 4:35pm

Knock out games this weekend. Any thoughts on games?

Irish 19s squad picked and should be named soon.
There was 7/8 of 26 man squad for Munster u19s who played all age grade in clubs while another 2/3 moved to one of the 8 A schools in the last year or so. So 11/12 of 26 were club players. there is one exile playing and then the rest are schools.

Connacht playing Japan Sunday and then Japan play Leinster and Ireland

espn091 · 16-03-2017 4:36pm

Are Japan playing Leinster? I have heard differently.

The Lost Sheep · 16-03-2017 4:38pm

espn091 wrote: »

Are Japan playing Leinster? I have heard differently.

Theyre not. Didnt mean to type that.

Leinster u19s are having a screening session/game in Dublin over the weekend though. 45/50 players involved.

irishbucsfan · 16-03-2017 4:38pm

espn091 wrote: »

Are Japan playing Leinster? I have heard differently.

Yeah I thought they weren't...

espn091 · 16-03-2017 4:39pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Theyre not. Didnt mean to type that.

Leinster u19s are having a screening session/game in Dublin over the weekend though. 45/50 players involved.

They've had several screening sessions at this stage..

Quin_Dub · 16-03-2017 4:46pm

Munster U18 Club SF's this Sunday in Charleville.

Waterpark vs. Garryowen at 1PM and Ennis vs. Tralee at 2:45pm

Both sides have played each other before in the group stages.

Waterpark beat Garryowen 35-7 about a month ago (in Garryowen) and Ennis beat Tralee 7-0 in early January.

Ennis and Waterpark are unbeaten so far in this years competition.

Hard to see past Waterpark in the 1st game , but the 2nd game will be very close.

Final in Thomond park on 26th at 3:45pm

espn091 · 16-03-2017 4:50pm

Gorey vs Wicklow in Premier U17 final.

Not that you'd know as Leinster don't cover club game.

Quin_Dub · 16-03-2017 4:53pm

espn091 wrote: »

Gorey vs Wicklow in Premier U17 final.

Not that you'd know as Leinster don't cover club game.

Not much better in Munster either...

Domestic Game homepage is littered with updates about the the schools competitions and not a dickie bird about the club game..

The Lost Sheep · 16-03-2017 5:36pm

espn091 wrote:

Not that you'd know as Leinster don't cover club game.

blame can't be put on solely Leinster staff who certainly could do more but club pros/coaches could certainly help do a lot more for coverage

Quin_Dub wrote:

Domestic Game homepage is littered with updates about the the schools competitions and not a dickie bird about the club game..

I have written articles for both websites. Schools games are midweek and communications/pr staff who mainly work 9-5 are at work. Youths games are weekends and more coverage will go to adult games which are on the same time. Clubs need to be better promoting games themselves. The use of the phrase pan munster for example isn't the term Munster rugby use to promote the competitions they use other terms. If people within clubs and parents etc as well as official Munster rugby social media used #mc16 etc then it could help on social media.
Like one of the best places for coverage of youths rugby in Munster is the facebook page "East Munster Youths Rugby"

espn091 · 16-03-2017 6:11pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

blame can't be put on solely Leinster staff who certainly could do more but club pros/coaches could certainly help do a lot more for coverage

I have written articles for both websites. Schools games are midweek and communications/pr staff who mainly work 9-5 are at work. Youths games are weekends and more coverage will go to adult games which are on the same time. Clubs need to be better promoting games themselves. The use of the phrase pan munster for example isn't the term Munster rugby use to promote the competitions they use other terms. If people within clubs and parents etc as well as official Munster rugby social media used #mc16 etc then it could help on social media.
Like one of the best places for coverage of youths rugby in Munster is the facebook page "East Munster Youths Rugby"

Where do you think i got my info? Club facebook pages.. leinster couldnt co-ordinate resukts and publish a weekly update?

The Lost Sheep · 17-03-2017 11:52am

espn091 wrote:

Where do you think i got my info? Club facebook pages.. leinster couldnt co-ordinate resukts and publish a weekly update?

probably could but that's a question that should be asked of the Leinster communications staff especially as they have a domestic pr/communications staff member who's role is to cover the domestic game at all levels

The Lost Sheep · 19-03-2017 5:09pm

Japan high schools xv beat Connacht u19s 24-10

Quin_Dub · 19-03-2017 8:47pm

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Munster U18 Club SF's this Sunday in Charleville.

Waterpark vs. Garryowen at 1PM and Ennis vs. Tralee at 2:45pm

Both sides have played each other before in the group stages.

Waterpark beat Garryowen 35-7 about a month ago (in Garryowen) and Ennis beat Tralee 7-0 in early January.

Ennis and Waterpark are unbeaten so far in this years competition.

Hard to see past Waterpark in the 1st game , but the 2nd game will be very close.

Final in Thomond park on 26th at 3:45pm

Garryowen beat Waterpark 20-15 , with Waterpark getting a try in the final whistle.. Garryowen OH controlled the game and the conditions keeping Waterpark pinned back all game, forcing them to attack from deep all game.

Ennis won the 2nd semi in a nail-biter.. 20-17 , Tralee spent the final 5-6 minutes camped on the Ennis line pushing for a try, but Ennis held on.

Final next Sunday in Thomond at 3:45pm

The Lost Sheep · 19-03-2017 9:07pm

Thurles beat Nenagh in 18s Plate semi 10-7.
They play Mallow in final
Old Christians play 'haven in 18s Bowl final

Cobh and Skibb drew 19-19 in 16s cup semi but Skibb advanced on most trys/first try ruling and Kinsale beat Waterpark 17-7
Sundays Well beat Highfield 15-7 and Crk Con beat Nenagh 21-7 in 16s Plate semis.

MrJones2013 · 20-03-2017 1:33pm

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Garryowen beat Waterpark 20-15 , with Waterpark getting a try in the final whistle.. Garryowen OH controlled the game and the conditions keeping Waterpark pinned back all game, forcing them to attack from deep all game.

Ennis won the 2nd semi in a nail-biter.. 20-17 , Tralee spent the final 5-6 minutes camped on the Ennis line pushing for a try, but Ennis held on.

Final next Sunday in Thomond at 3:45pm

I've watched Garryowen under 18's a few times this season and their outhalf has been the standout player every time. He controls the game exceptionally well and is a top drawer player, definitely one for the future.

espn091 · 20-03-2017 1:42pm

MrJones2013 wrote: »

I've watched Garryowen under 18's a few times this season and their outhalf has been the standout player every time. He controls the game exceptionally well and is a top drawer player, definitely one for the future.

Harry Byrne, played for Munster u18 this season.

Quin_Dub · 20-03-2017 1:54pm

MrJones2013 wrote: »

I've watched Garryowen under 18's a few times this season and their outhalf has been the standout player every time. He controls the game exceptionally well and is a top drawer player, definitely one for the future.

espn091 wrote: »

Harry Byrne, played for Munster u18 this season.

Yes , and he completely outshone his opposite number Ben Daly, who was his understudy this season for Munster. Really controlled the game..

Quin_Dub · 21-03-2017 8:57am

Munster Club Finals pushed back a week , will now take place on April 2nd.

Munster have closed the main pitch in Thomond park to protect it for the Toulouse game so U16/U18 finals will be played the day after now.

The Lost Sheep · 21-03-2017 7:41pm

Quin_Dub wrote:

Munster Club Finals pushed back a week, will now take place on April 2nd.
Munster have closed the main pitch in Thomond park to protect it for the Toulouse game so U16/U18 finals will be played the day after now.

at least they're still in Thomond and on main pitch. Great that club youths games are back in Thomond after few years not in the ground.

Great thing about donnybrook was Leinster always played as many games as possible on the pitches even when it wrecked the 2 pitches there.

Such a shame all Ireland's are not what they were at youths level any more.
Would love if it got back to like it was back in hey day of ail and youths 16/18, 17/19 finals were played as part of triple header with ail1 final on main pitch in Lansdowne

espn091 · 27-03-2017 9:33am

Carlow u18 defeated Skerries u18 50-17 in u18 Premier final yesterday.
Gorey u18 defeated Tullow u18 15-11 in Div 1 final yesterday.

Gorey u17 drew with Wicklow u17 21-21 in u17 Premier final yesterday.
Wexford u17 defeated Tullow u17 38-25 in Div 1 final yesterday.

The Lost Sheep · 29-03-2017 11:06pm

http://www.leinsterrugby.ie/youth-finals-day-packed-with-high-scoring-encounters/

The Lost Sheep · 07-04-2017 4:42pm

http://www.leinsterrugby.ie/massive-weekend-of-youths-rugby-ahead/

Munster finals all now have been played. Back to regional cups now

Connacht at cup semi finals/finals in most competitions...

The Lost Sheep · 16-04-2017 7:25pm

Connacht cup finals starting next weekend. All cup finals due to be played in Sportsground.
Some regional finals in Munster this weekend. East Munster u18 final is in tipp town tomorrow with Clan hosting Waterpark.

The Lost Sheep · 24-04-2017 12:38am

Some excellent quality games in Sportsground today
Ballina won under 14 cup final beating Galwegians 33-22, Galwegians won under 16 cup beating Corinthians 20-11 and Ballina won under 18s beating Corinthians 23-22
http://community.connachtrugby.ie/22678-2/

The Lost Sheep · 28-04-2017 12:34am

Connacht under 13/15/17 finals are in sportsground sunday.lota of plate semis/finals also on.

Most south Munster cups have finished while there is huge number of semis and some finals on in North Munster. East/west Munster cups all finished.

Leinster cup finals in Donnybrook over the weekend. some others also being played round the province

The Lost Sheep · 30-04-2017 8:10pm

Leinster tweeted results of finals played over the weekend so far.
U17 Premier League Final replay Wicklow 28 Gorey 7
U15 School/Youth Premier Final: Clontarf 20 Cill Dara 7
U15 School/Youth Division 1 Final: North Meath 29 Seapoint 28
U14 School/Youth Division 1 Final: Seapoint 19 DLSP 10
U14 School/Youth Premier League Final: Clontarf 15 Old Belvedere 0
U13 School/Youth Section A: Clontarf A 19 Greystones A 12
U13 School/Youth Section B: Suttonians 15 barnhall 12
U13 School/Youth Section C: Cill Dara 31 DLSP 12
U13 School/Youth Section

Ashbourne 22 Clontarf 17

In Connacht the u13/15/17 cup finals were in Sportsground today. Creggs beat Ballina 19-14 in 13s final, Galwegians won the u15s beating Monivea 15-12 and Buccaneers beat Ballina 27-12 in the U17 Final

The Lost Sheep · 01-05-2017 6:51pm

U13 McGowan Cup Final Athy 7 Naas 14
U13 Plate Arklow 5 Tullamore 26
U14 Cup Final Gorey 17 Tullamore 7
U14 Plate Final Boyne 25, Edenderry 26
U15 McAuley Cup Final Mullingar 27 Boyne 38
U15 Plate Final Longford 24 Dundalk 26
U16 Cup Final Portlaoise 13 Navan 20

Quin_Dub · 02-05-2017 9:05am

Some North Munster Results

North Munster U14 Cup Final - Ennis 15-17 Shannon
North Munster U15 Cup Final - Ennis 55-12 Newcastle West
North Munster U16 Cup Final - Ennis 22-24 Nenagh
North Munster U18 Cup Final - Young Munster 21-36 Shannon-St Marys

dub9 · 03-05-2017 5:00pm

Any Rugby clubs or summer camps open during this summer between July-August (IN Dublin) for a 16 year old lad? Please direct to some existing post or advise ? Cheers

The Lost Sheep · 03-05-2017 5:11pm

Quin_Dub wrote:

North Munster U14 Cup Final - Ennis 15-17 Shannon North Munster U15 Cup Final - Ennis 55-12 Newcastle West North Munster U16 Cup Final - Ennis 22-24 Nenagh North Munster U18 Cup Final - Young Munster 21-36 Shannon-St Marys

2 city cup finals without any sides from the city playing. Nenagh Ennis game was by all accounts a real classic. Nenagh came from 22-3 down to win 24-22. Not bad for a side that could have ended up playing in the bowl if you went by positions in phase 1 of the league.
Iia that 18s cup the open or closed cup as the 16s was the closed version?

dub9 wrote:

Any Rugby clubs or summer camps open during this summer between July-August (IN Dublin) for a 16 year old lad? Please direct to some existing post or advise? Cheers

some clubs could run their own skills sessions but unlikely to be any form of scheduled camp for that age unless you look at Leinster school of excellence which is in kings hospital school off junction 7 m50... That may have sold out though

Quin_Dub · 03-05-2017 9:46pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

2 city cup finals without any sides from the city playing. Nenagh Ennis game was by all accounts a real classic. Nenagh came from 22-3 down to win 24-22. Not bad for a side that could have ended up playing in the bowl if you went by positions in phase 1 of the league.
Iia that 18s cup the open or closed cup as the 16s was the closed version?

The 18's game was the closed cup.

Crescent won the U16s Open Cup , Not sure who won the 18's Open Cup.

Limerick city clubs are struggling with numbers due to the increased schools panel sizes this season.

Ennis very strong at Youths at present.

Narrowly lost the League and Cup Finals at U14's to Young Munster and Shannon respectively ,Won the League and Cup Double at U15's, Won the League and lost the Cup final at U16 and won the BOI Munster Cup at U18

The Lost Sheep · 03-05-2017 10:47pm

Quin_Dub wrote: »

The 18's game was the closed cup.

Crescent won the U16s Open Cup, Not sure who won the 18's Open Cup.

Limerick city clubs are struggling with numbers due to the increased schools panel sizes this season.

Ennis very strong at Youths at present.

Narrowly lost the League and Cup Finals at U14's to Young Munster and Shannon respectively ,Won the League and Cup Double at U15's, Won the League and lost the Cup final at U16 and won the BOI Munster Cup at U18

Hard to compete with schools but what would you like seen done? If Clements are now an A school as i heard that they are how many schools within Limerick city are left that have boys attending? Villiers, CBS Sexton St, Gaelcholaiste. Any more within city.

Ennis should be strong. The town is huge and they also attract large amount of kids in west clare who dont/wont play for the clubs like Kilrush etc. Ennis is the sort of town, like Navan, Tralee, Drogheda, Dundalk that the IRFU should be funneling huge funds creating satellite mini rugby clubs around to help develop more clubs in these areas and try develop them into youths clubs in time and ideally new adult clubs in 20 years or so.

The Lost Sheep · 13-05-2017 5:14pm

Ulster cup finals review..

http://www.ulsterrugby.com/news/16013.php#.WRcwb7uGPIU

The Lost Sheep · 11-07-2017 5:04pm

http://munsterrugby.ie/domestic_news/interpro-squads-get-into-full-flow/

rugby_scout_0 · 13-07-2017 1:31pm

Leinster u18 clubs squad:

Forwards
Michael Power(Clontarf)
Michael McGiff(Clontarf)
Michael Fitzpatrick(Clontarf)
Fionn Gilbert(Clontarf)
Killian O'Brien(Greystones)
Harry Noonan(Greystones)
Patrick Kieran(Greystones)
Sam Porter(Wicklow)
Luke Thompson(Wicklow)
Mark Nicholson(Wicklow)
Brian Deeney(Wexford)
Barry Ryan(Wexford)
Marcus Hanan(North Kildare)
Conor Duff(North Kildare)
Tadhg Butler(Kilkenny)
Luke Carton(Mullingar)
David Murphy(Newpark)
Robert Murphy(Gorey)
Sean O'Rourke(Athy)
Jordan Kelly(Enniscorthy)
Charlie Ward(Tullow)

Backs
Ryan McHugh(Longford)
Niall Hilliard(Barnhall)
Fiachra Hourihane(Enniscorthy)
Paddy McKenzie(Wicklow)
Shane Murphy(Skerries)
Dairmuid Egan(Tullamore)
Adam Nealon(De La Salle)
Jack Usher(Suttonians)
Ben Jones(Barnhall)
Thomas Jones(North Kildare)
Matthew Jungmann(Newpark)
Joe Mulholland(Ardee)
Ciaran Murphy(Stillorgan)
Karl Martin(Boyne)
Thomas McBrien(Skerries)
Cathal Farrell(Tullamore)
Luis Faria(Newpark)
Sean Wafer(Gorey)
Josh O'Connor(Wexford)
Niall Derham(Mullingar)

The Lost Sheep · 14-08-2017 8:28pm

Munster youths lost to the exiles at he weekend 31-25. Very big tipp/Waterford representation in squad. And great seeing so many clubs involved in particular a few clubs that haven't had many players involved in squads before/in long time

The Lost Sheep · 16-08-2017 3:58pm

Connacht 18s beaten 17-5 by Munster schools

The Lost Sheep · 24-08-2017 10:51pm

Connacht 19s playing Munster in Athlone tomorrow. Interpros start next weekend.

gazump123 · 24-08-2017 11:08pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Connacht 19s playing Munster in Athlone tomorrow. Interpros start next weekend.

I heard it's Ulster that Connacht are playing tomorrow.

The Lost Sheep · 24-08-2017 11:27pm

gazump123 wrote:

I heard it's Ulster that Connacht are playing tomorrow.

was told by a coach of one of teams it's Munster.

irishfan9 · 25-08-2017 8:57am

Shane Horgan Cup

Wednesday, 23rd August, at Cill Dara RFC (South-East – bye)

Metro 0 Midlands 29 (KO 6pm)
North-East 21 North Midlands 10 (KO 7.15pm)

Wednesday, 1st November, at Tullamore RFC (North Midlands – bye)

Midlands v North East (KO 11.30am)
Metro v South East (KO 1pm)

Wednesday, 3rd January, at Donnybrook (Midlands – bye)

Metro v Nth East (KO 11.30am)
South East v North Midlands (KO 1pm)

Wednesday, 15th February, at Ashbourne RFC (Metro – bye)

North Midlands v Midlands (KO 11.30am)
South East v North East (KO 1pm)

Wednesday, 4th April, at Enniscorthy RFC (North-East – bye)

South East v Midlands (KO 11.30am)
North Midlands v Metro (KO 1pm)

The Lost Sheep · 25-08-2017 7:40pm

The Lost Sheep wrote:

was told by a coach of one of teams it's Munster.

and it was Ulster.... Not a competitive game but originally listed on few places as Munster and I'd been told on phone it was Munster. More of an opposed training with backs running lines and forwards doing lineouts and scrums against each other. Then they played 20mins of scenarios and played few phases

irishfan9 · 28-08-2017 9:30am

irish exiles undefeated again u18 club sides.. defeated leinster 29-24 over the weekend.

irishfan9 · 29-08-2017 8:01am

Leinster u18 club side

15. Cathal Farrell (Tullamore) / Mike McGiff (Clontarf) ht
14. Josh O’Connor (Wexford) / Thomas Jones (North Kildare) 22 mins
13. Luis Faria (Wanderers)
12. Karl Martin (Boyne)
11. Sean Wafer (Gorey)
10. Paddy McKenzie (Wicklow)
9. Shane Murphy (Skerries) / Fiachra Hourlehan (Enniscorthy) 61 mins
1. Marcus Hannon (Clane) / Sean O’Rourke (Athy) 67 mins
2. Barry Ryan (Wexford) / Mark Nicholson (Wicklow) 61 mins
3. Charlie Ward (Tullow) / Jordan Kelly (Enniscorthy) 66 mins
4. Fion Gilbert (Clontarf)
5. Sam Porter (Wicklow) / Rob Murphy (Gorey) 53 mins
6. Brian Deeney (Wexford)
7. Luke Thompson (Wicklow) CAPTAIN
8. Tadgh Butler (Kilkenny)

Youths Rugby

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