Car not selling on Donedeal

Ded_Zebra · 19-02-2014 12:08pm

ferry17 wrote: »

Thank you all for your opinions. Just to pick up on a few things mentioned - DL reg - I was aware of the stigma surrounding the DL reg, from talking to dealers in Dublin they say its more to do with the conditions of the roads in Donegal which is understandable. (They're appalling). Its kinda funny as the car has spent the last 4years in Dublin.
Alloys: The car was imported from England and they are genuine Honda alloys.
Mileage: The mileage is just about average for a car its age. Its also a diesel so it'll go on for quite a bit longer.
Tax: The tax for this car is €570.
Service History: The car had FHSH until 2009. My local garage did the servicing since then.
Price: According to car valuations and looking at similar cars online she might be overpriced.

Thanks for all your comments. I'll make a few adjustments to my ad and hopefully it'll do the trick.

Make sure you clearly state that it has a good service history, That should help get a quicker sale (once it's at the right price)

Best of luck with the sale:)

riverrock1 · 19-02-2014 12:13pm

You should be prepared to wait a bit longer for the right buyer to come along.12 days is not a long time for a car to be advertised.I think 3-4 weeks is more realistic.

Cee-Jay-Cee · 19-02-2014 12:17pm

ferry17 wrote: »

Thank you all for your opinions. Just to pick up on a few things mentioned - DL reg - I was aware of the stigma surrounding the DL reg, from talking to dealers in Dublin they say its more to do with the conditions of the roads in Donegal which is understandable. (They're appalling). Its kinda funny as the car has spent the last 4years in Dublin.
.

The roads in donegal are considerably better, in fact hugely better than Dublin City roads. I was I Dublin last week and the roads have been dug up everywhere and are littered with humps bumps and holes. Donegal roads in comparison are like billiard tables. Small country lanes may not be great but main and regional roads are excellent. The suspension on a Dublin car will have a much harder time than that on a Donegal car. the DL stigma is borne out of ignorant jackeens who haven't left the city in years for fear of having to drive on unlit roads at night.

Your car is still overpriced, buttering up your ad with service history details will not help it sell, putting a realistic price on it, will.

George Dalton · 19-02-2014 12:18pm

I think that the problem is that when people consider a diesel hatchback of that age they rarely consider a Civic. Those diesel Civics were never a big seller so they just aren't on peoples radar. So you might just have to sit it out for a while. I do think the car is worth €4k if it is as described so your asking price is about right.

slimjimmc · 19-02-2014 12:36pm

I'd echo the comments about the plates. It may not seem a biggy but your plates are not legal (font waaay too thick) and non-conformity can be off-putting to some.
At least you don't have yellow plates on the rear.

How about some more images of the interior, what's the boot space like, the rear seats, do they fold, the dashboard, and the dials. You mention white dials but it would be nice to see them.

You've a photo of the NCT but none of the tax disc, why is that?

Clean looking car, good luck.

dgt · 19-02-2014 12:45pm

ferry17 wrote: »

Thank you all for your opinions. Just to pick up on a few things mentioned - DL reg - I was aware of the stigma surrounding the DL reg, from talking to dealers in Dublin they say its more to do with the conditions of the roads in Donegal which is understandable. (They're appalling). Its kinda funny as the car has spent the last 4years in Dublin.
Alloys: The car was imported from England and they are genuine Honda alloys.
Mileage: The mileage is just about average for a car its age. Its also a diesel so it'll go on for quite a bit longer.
Tax: The tax for this car is €570.
Service History: The car had FHSH until 2009. My local garage did the servicing since then.
Price: According to car valuations and looking at similar cars online she might be overpriced.

Thanks for all your comments. I'll make a few adjustments to my ad and hopefully it'll do the trick.

See theres a certain type of crowd that would put people off buying a DL car. At least it's a fwd car!

Lose the plates

A few more pics of the interior

Take the pics in a better environment

debabyjesus · 19-02-2014 12:46pm

slimjimmc wrote: »

what's the boot space like

Probably best not to take a pic of the boot, its ridiculously tiny.

Id be advertising the 100 odd bhp and 50mpg and honda reliability. Maybe tag it with names of cars that are searched most often to improve visibility. Picture of owners manual/service book/receipts/both keys. If you are very far north maybe say that you are willing to meet further south like sligo/cavan.

They are a nice car with a good engine so it should sell handy enough.

dbrunson · 19-02-2014 12:47pm

ferry17 wrote: »

Hi all,

I have my car for sale on Donedeal now for 12 days. Its a nice, genuine car. I haven't had one phone call so far! Any suggestions? Is it too expensive or is the current market for cars under 5k too vast??

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/05-honda-civic-ctdi-nct-2016/6400048

Thanks in advance.

hi change the plates, and change the price.

mullingar · 19-02-2014 12:50pm

ferry17 wrote: »

Price: According to car valuations and looking at similar cars online she might be overpriced.

Might be?

I's say its about 1.5-2k over priced for a private sale.

Good points:
Honda
Diesel
FSH
Air-con

Bad points:
DL reg
3-door
Percieved high mileage by average punter (but its actually ok)
8 years old
Old Tax system
Private sale
Hint of boy racer about it - change the reg plates for a start

Also consider putting in on how long you've owned it and reason for sale.

GLWS!!!

Groundsource · 19-02-2014 1:20pm

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

I pay that and more for my 06 CMax (1.8 diesel), but I'd have to be pretty stupid to spend thousands and thousands more just to save a few hundred on tax.
But that is the Irish motoring public. Spending thousands to save hundreds.

Actually it may be stupid in your world, but an 08 C-MAX is about 1K more than ur 06 is worth, not KK's. Makes perfect sense, after all road tax is dead money whatever you pay so I'd prefer to pay less.

dr.fuzzenstein · 19-02-2014 3:05pm

Groundsource wrote: »

Actually it may be stupid in your world, but an 08 C-MAX is about 1K more than ur 06 is worth, not KK's. Makes perfect sense, after all road tax is dead money whatever you pay so I'd prefer to pay less.

Of course when I change my car, it would probably be in the new tax band.
But right now if you look at the best case scenario there is a 1k gap between an 06 CMax and and 08 one. If I get top dollar for mine and buy the cheapest one possible. Which won't happen.
If you take mileage and condition of mine into account and mileage and condition of the one I want, more like 2k best case scenario.
If I where to buy one for 1k more than mine, we can look at the difference between tax rates.
My CMax, based on cc is €636 p/a
08 CMax, based on CO2 is €390 p/a.
The difference is €246 p/a.
Even in the best case scenario, it would take me 4 years of owning the car to make up for the difference. More like 8 years, if the difference is €2k.
If my motivation for changing cars was purely the tax, I would hang on to it, because the extra expense is not rewarded with any significant gain.
And if I do change cars, I might well consider a low mileage older car, because the purchase price would be worth it, despite tax.
And one more point:
That CO2 based tax system is ridiculously low. Prepare for those rates to be jacked up every year, so any savings I could potentially make, would be wiped out.
Conclusion: You can't win. (Not you, I mean one can't win)

Groundsource · 19-02-2014 3:10pm

Ded_Zebra wrote: »

and how much does the 2008 car cost?

My 2012 2L costs me approx. 165

Groundsource · 19-02-2014 3:14pm

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Of course when I change my car, it would probably be in the new tax band.
But right now if you look at the best case scenario there is a 1k gap between an 06 CMax and and 08 one. If I get top dollar for mine and buy the cheapest one possible. Which won't happen.
If you take mileage and condition of mine into account and mileage and condition of the one I want, more like 2k best case scenario.
If I where to buy one for 1k more than mine, we can look at the difference between tax rates.
My CMax, based on cc is €636 p/a
08 CMax, based on CO2 is €390 p/a.
The difference is €246 p/a.
Even in the best case scenario, it would take me 4 years of owning the car to make up for the difference. More like 8 years, if the difference is €2k.
If my motivation for changing cars was purely the tax, I would hang on to it, because the extra expense is not rewarded with any significant gain.
And if I do change cars, I might well consider a low mileage older car, because the purchase price would be worth it, despite tax.
And one more point:
That CO2 based tax system is ridiculously low. Prepare for those rates to be jacked up every year, so any savings I could potentially make, would be wiped out.
Conclusion: You can't win. (Not you, I mean one can't win)

We have too much reliance on our cars, I'm getting on my bike.

djimi · 19-02-2014 3:15pm

mullingar wrote: »

Also consider putting in on how long you've owned it and reason for sale.

Dont do that. Its not particularly relevant and honestly nobody gives a toss why you are selling it.

I hate reading peoples life stories on car adverts...

Groundsource · 19-02-2014 3:19pm

plasteritup wrote: »

It's a dl

Was replying to an earlier comment on 'D' reg cars.

cruizer101 · 19-02-2014 3:38pm

djimi wrote: »

Dont do that. Its not particularly relevant and honestly nobody gives a toss why you are selling it.

I hate reading peoples life stories on car adverts...

Don't think I'd fully agree with you can sometimes be relevant.

How many owners have there been, if 2 or less I'd be inclined to put it in, people prefer cars that havn't changed hands a lot give the impression of a more reliable car.

Regarding how long you have had it I think if you have had it a good while no harm putting it in, again same reason.

Why you are selling it wouldn't bother, maybe mention if talking to a potential buyer but I don't think it is something that will get someone to call you so not relevant for the ad in that respect.

djimi · 19-02-2014 3:55pm

I agree with putting the number of owners, but aside from that I dont think the rest is relevant. To be honest, I just get annoyed reading ads that are sparse on the details and filled with useless guff that is not relevant to the sale. Keep it short and to the point!

the_syco · 19-02-2014 3:58pm

colm_mcm wrote: »

Donegal will put a lot of people off too, you're too far away from most of the country.

To add to that, what's the rust on the bottom like? Last DL reg car I had (Honda Civic) was very rusty underneath due to the sea air. And thus I would never buy a DL car again. Seems this is a common enough problem with DL cars, that my engineer came across.

Groundsource wrote: »

My 2012 2L costs me approx. 165

I'm pretty sure he was asking how much the 2008 car would cost, and not it's tax. As such, how much is your 2012 car, and how many years would the OP need to own it to offset the cost against the tax he saves?

Mycroft H · 19-02-2014 4:04pm

You dont need to point out that there is a spoiler/side skirts.

Groundsource · 19-02-2014 4:07pm

the_syco wrote: »

I'm pretty sure he was asking how much the 2008 car would cost, and not it's tax. As such, how much is your 2012 car, and how many years would the OP need to own it to offset the cost against the tax he saves?

Don't know or really care. Would need an to me accountant

dr.fuzzenstein · 19-02-2014 4:08pm

OP, blur the reg, up the price, add "No dreamers, tire kickers, window lickers and test pilots!", maybe L@@K!!! into the title, the description should be text speak and don't forget to add r-type, evo, S class, diesel, petrol 4wd, turbo, lambo, garden hose, rocking horse, milking parlour and 4 way USB hub into the description.
The take the ad down, re-advertise and put RE-ADVERTISED DUE TO TIMEWASTERS!!!! in the title.
Don't forget "just testing the water", "not pushed on selling" and of course "quick sale due to emigration, part ex for new Porsche 911 considered"
Beforehand bolt some crap from Halfords onto it.
I'm sure it'll sell in a week! (They always seem to)

Kop On · 19-02-2014 4:38pm

I will be putting my own car on Done Deal shortly. I’ve just realised I can’t remember how many owners it’s had!

I’ve had the car for 5 years but don’t know if there was 1 or 2 owners before me and don’t want to just guess as it’ll look suspect to any potential seller if it’s not correct.

If there any easy way (apart from buying a motor check report etc) for me to find this out?

jcon1913 · 19-02-2014 4:50pm

Very little between your car and this one

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/honda-civic-2005/5934587

except this one is €3,600, and has a smaller engine, ( cheaper road tax ) and is €1,100 cheaper than yours. Thats your main problem I think. Check other cars like your one.

Bpmull · 19-02-2014 5:12pm

jcon1913 wrote: »

Very little between your car and this one

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/honda-civic-2005/5934587

except this one is €3,600, and has a smaller engine, ( cheaper road tax ) and is €1,100 cheaper than yours. Thats your main problem I think. Check other cars like your one.

You say check cars like the ops to get what it's worth. Then you compare the ops diesel with a petrol version of the car. Someone looking for a diesel won't want a 1.4 petrol version of the car.

jcon1913 · 19-02-2014 5:15pm

Bpmull wrote: »

You say check cars like the ops to get what it's worth. Then you compare the ops diesel with a petrol version of the car. Someone looking for a diesel won't want a 1.4 petrol version of the car.

No I gave him a comparison then I said to compare his car to ones like his own. Time is money my friend, but an initial comparison shows his price is out of line for that mileage and year for that car.

rai555 · 19-02-2014 5:22pm

SleeperService wrote: »

Cheeeeeeep taaaaaaax

it sounds like Sheeeeep taaaaaaaaaaax

rai555 · 19-02-2014 5:25pm

I can't see myself getting into something with very low tax but comparing something like a 07 gs 450h v a 08 model, its a no brainer.[/QUOTE]

Can i go further, even it's OT , lookat the price difference between 07 and 08 - at least 10 grand with tax 1 grand/year , i'm talking gs450h

SleeperService · 19-02-2014 6:11pm

jcon1913 wrote: »

Very little between your car and this one

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/honda-civic-2005/5934587

except this one is €3,600, and has a smaller engine, ( cheaper road tax ) and is €1,100 cheaper than yours. Thats your main problem I think. Check other cars like your one.

One glaring anomaly there. You may not have heard - diesel is the new thing now...

19-02-2014 6:22pm

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

TL;DR
Blurred plates, NEXT!

Perhaps just blur out the L?

:P

(but I agree, blurred or covered plates = something to hide).

thecomedian · 19-02-2014 6:25pm

jcon1913 wrote: »

Very little between your car and this one

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/honda-civic-2005/5934587

except this one is €3,600, and has a smaller engine, ( cheaper road tax ) and is €1,100 cheaper than yours. Thats your main problem I think. Check other cars like your one.

It's petrol do it's not like for like.
This sort of advise is useless for the OP.
If I need a diesel I won't want a cheaper petrol.
Diesel cars second hand, are more expensive than the petrol versions.
OP if you don't get any calls after a few weeks, then maybe drop your price a little and see how that goes.

mullingar · 19-02-2014 7:18pm

I've just realised what's missing.

The obligatory picture of the car in 3 inches of water

:pac::D:cool:

J/k

dr.fuzzenstein · 20-02-2014 10:43am

mullingar wrote: »

I've just realised what's missing.

The obligatory picture of the car in 3 inches of water

:pac::D:cool:

J/k

An obligatory picture? Wow! :P

Muckie · 20-02-2014 12:41pm

mullingar wrote: »

I've just realised what's missing.

The obligatory picture of the car in 3 inches of water

:pac::D:cool:

J/k

Oh, and leave the lights on.....:D

dr.fuzzenstein · 20-02-2014 1:40pm

Muckie wrote: »

Oh, and leave the lights on.....:D

Needs some neon lights underneath the car.

de Ville · 20-02-2014 1:50pm

I think that model Civic uses an Isuzu engine, yes?

Sobanek · 20-02-2014 2:07pm

I certainly wouldn't pay 5k for a 2005 Civic when I can pay 6k for a 2005 Lexus GS300...

Irishcrx · 20-02-2014 2:44pm

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

OP, blur the reg, up the price, add "No dreamers, tire kickers, window lickers and test pilots!", maybe L@@K!!! into the title, the description should be text speak and don't forget to add r-type, evo, S class, diesel, petrol 4wd, turbo, lambo, garden hose, rocking horse, milking parlour and 4 way USB hub into the description.
The take the ad down, re-advertise and put RE-ADVERTISED DUE TO TIMEWASTERS!!!! in the title.
Don't forget "just testing the water", "not pushed on selling" and of course "quick sale due to emigration, part ex for new Porsche 911 considered"
Beforehand bolt some crap from Halfords onto it.
I'm sure it'll sell in a week! (They always seem to)

That made me smile because I've seen all that when I recently buying , the 'Owner emigrating - May swap WDYH' I seen a lot, what the hell? I thought you were emigrating?

Went and viewed one and anter the test drive your man goes ' I'm not pushed on selling, haven't got my new car yet' I nearly put him through the windscreen 'THEN WHY ARE YOU F****** WASTING MY TIME BEING HERE YOU PLANK!'

bazz26 · 20-02-2014 3:04pm

Sobanek wrote: »

I certainly wouldn't pay 5k for a 2005 Civic when I can pay 6k for a 2005 Lexus GS300...

The price comparison really isn't relevant. Both cars have a limited market but someone looking for a compact hatchback diesel isn't going to be also looking at mid size executive petrol saloons.

dr.fuzzenstein · 20-02-2014 3:49pm

bazz26 wrote: »

The price comparison really isn't relevant. Both cars have a limited market but someone looking for a compact hatchback diesel isn't going to be also looking at mid size executive petrol saloons.

Bit like the Top Gear episode where the guys buy ageing petrol guzzling saloons instead of a brand new super mini and touted them as alternatives, what was it again?

Mycroft H · 20-02-2014 3:54pm

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Bit like the Top Gear episode where the guys buy ageing petrol guzzling saloons instead of a brand new super mini and touted them as alternatives, what was it again?

Relevant if you don't mind the running costs. If I want a small diesel car, I'd like small running costs please.

Bell33 · 20-02-2014 4:17pm

I had my car for sale on a well know site . Got a lot of calls .
Just a word of warning . A couple came to view my car .
Had a mechanic with them . That I didn't mind . As my car had all service history going with it .
They took it for a drive came back 15 to 20 mins later
And said they would call later as they loved my car .
Drove my car to pick up my grandchild from school ten miles in to the drive my car started giving trouble .
Call out the AA . They took my car to the local garage .
Only to be told that the mechanic that had looked at my car .
Had done damage it it .
It has cost me €500 to have repaired .
And don't know who the people are just a mob number .
So just a word of warning . Watch everything that strangers do to your car .
They leave and you are out of pocket . Beware .

dr.fuzzenstein · 20-02-2014 4:18pm

Mycroft H wrote: »

Relevant if you don't mind the running costs. If I want a small diesel car, I'd like small running costs please.

Was kind of my point, TG only mentioned because it was, of course, a ridiculous example.

debabyjesus · 20-02-2014 4:21pm

Bell33 wrote: »

I had my car for sale on a well know site . Got a lot of calls .
Just a word of warning . A couple came to view my car .
Had a mechanic with them . That I didn't mind . As my car had all service history going with it .
They took it for a drive came back 15 to 20 mins later
And said they would call later as they loved my car .
Drove my car to pick up my grandchild from school ten miles in to the drive my car started giving trouble .
Call out the AA . They took my car to the local garage .
Only to be told that the mechanic that had looked at my car .
Had done damage it it .
It has cost me €500 to have repaired .
And don't know who the people are just a mob number .
So just a word of warning . Watch everything that strangers do to your car .
They leave and you are out of pocket . Beware .

Not sure how you know their mechanic damaged it..? And you let some randomers drive off in your car????

dixiefly · 20-02-2014 4:41pm

Bell33 wrote: »

I had my car for sale on a well know site . Got a lot of calls .
Just a word of warning . A couple came to view my car .
Had a mechanic with them . That I didn't mind . As my car had all service history going with it .
They took it for a drive came back 15 to 20 mins later
And said they would call later as they loved my car .
Drove my car to pick up my grandchild from school ten miles in to the drive my car started giving trouble .
Call out the AA . They took my car to the local garage .
Only to be told that the mechanic that had looked at my car .
Had done damage it it .
It has cost me €500 to have repaired .
And don't know who the people are just a mob number .
So just a word of warning . Watch everything that strangers do to your car .
They leave and you are out of pocket . Beware .

That shows that you have to be always on your guard. I wonder did they realise that they had done damage. It's the perils of seling privately, you want to give people a chance to check it but then there is a risk they will damage it.

Did you call their number and tell them that they damaged the car or was it a case of waiting to see if they were interested in it?

Bell33 · 20-02-2014 4:47pm

Yes a little silly of me .
But their are a few trusting people still out there silly I know now .
And I had my car for 8 years . And allways looked after and serviced by same guy . Who has been at his job for 30 years now .
And trust him . He had no reason to lie to me .

dixiefly · 20-02-2014 4:50pm

Question for OP, why did you not use Carzone?

We were lucky selling my fathers auto Tilda a few months ago. First(and only)to look at it bought it. Had a guy calling from abroad a month later when I had forgotten to take it down. Sounded fishy.

_Kaiser_ · 20-02-2014 4:56pm

Groundsource wrote: »

If you think 636 is not excessive for road tax, you must earn to much:)
a 2L 2008 is less than 200 per YEAR. Do the maths.

If you think €636 is a lot over a year, then I won't tell you what my current one costs per quarter!

Your 2012 may cost you less than €200 a year, but I'm pretty sure I paid a LOT less for mine than you did!

bazz26 · 20-02-2014 5:11pm

dixiefly wrote: »

Question for OP, why did you not use Carzone?

We were lucky selling my fathers auto Tilda a few months ago. First(and only)to look at it bought it. Had a guy calling from abroad a month later when I had forgotten to take it down. Sounded fishy.

Carzone is too expensive and mostly used by dealers. Unfortunately both carzone and donedeal have their fair share of scam merchants. Anyway the problem the OP has is not with where his/her car is being advertised.

YbFocus · 20-02-2014 5:18pm

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

If you think €636 is a lot over a year, then I won't tell you what my current one costs per quarter!

Your 2012 may cost you less than €200 a year, but I'm pretty sure I paid a LOT less for mine than you did!

Likewise kaiser, I wouldn't mention it

christy02 · 20-02-2014 5:46pm

debabyjesus wrote: »

Probably best not to take a pic of the boot, its ridiculously tiny.

Id be advertising the 100 odd bhp and 50mpg and honda reliability. Maybe tag it with names of cars that are searched most often to improve visibility. Picture of owners manual/service book/receipts/both keys. If you are very far north maybe say that you are willing to meet further south like sligo/cavan.

They are a nice car with a good engine so it should sell handy enough.

Jesus don't do that. Nothing makes me go "next" than some d**khead that's tagged names of cars in the ad. Don't see how it even does anything as most normal users refine ads with the built in search engine. Also L@@k. What does that do?

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