€50m Office block for South Terrace/Copley St.

Rhys Essien · 27-03-2015 2:52am #1

To begin within the next few months.Jasus,I cant keep up with all these developments.

Brussels Sprout · 27-03-2015 9:58am

Cool. Kinda looks like a Hi-Fi system.

Michael.. · 27-03-2015 10:23am

Any idea who the developer is ?

CHealy · 27-03-2015 10:34am

Thats a weird looking building, I like it.

D'Agger · 27-03-2015 10:36am

Rhys Essien wrote: »

To begin within the next few months.Jasus,I cant keep up with all these developments.

Yeah you can say that again! Never seen so much growth in such a short space of time!

Dbu · 27-03-2015 2:21pm

Rhys Essien wrote: »

To begin within the next few months.Jasus,I cant keep up with all these developments.

Will look well in the floods

The_Banker · 27-03-2015 3:39pm

Great...
But who is gonna fill all this office space?

Will the solicitors/accountants move out of the South Mall and leave it for the Cash for Gold merchants and Western Union Money Transfer shops or will Cork vie with Dublin for the the Googles/Paypals/Facebook and Twitter Head Offices?

The City Centre needs a boost so its welcome I guess...

Michael.. · 27-03-2015 7:06pm

The_Banker wrote: »

Great...
But who is gonna fill all this office space?

Will the solicitors/accountants move out of the South Mall and leave it for the Cash for Gold merchants and Western Union Money Transfer shops or will Cork vie with Dublin for the the Googles/Paypals/Facebook and Twitter Head Offices?

The City Centre needs a boost so its welcome I guess...

Well you're certainly not going to attract likes of Google or Facebook if you don't have modern office blocks. Let's face it, Cork as it stands has the South Mall as it's main business district. It's totally outdated.

SpaceTime · 27-03-2015 7:08pm

Most of the new attractions have been in the suburbs. A thriving office community in the City is essential!

Outkast_IRE · 27-03-2015 7:10pm

Great to see more development in that area, hopefully it includes some high spec residential space, i really do think there is a need for more city centre high spec apartments.

cgcsb · 27-03-2015 8:27pm

The_Banker wrote: »

Great...
But who is gonna fill all this office space?

Will the solicitors/accountants move out of the South Mall and leave it for the Cash for Gold merchants and Western Union Money Transfer shops or will Cork vie with Dublin for the the Googles/Paypals/Facebook and Twitter Head Offices?

The City Centre needs a boost so its welcome I guess...

There is a high demand, and low supply of high quality office space in Cork. The Albert Quay development has already pre-let and it's years from being finished.

opencurtin · 27-03-2015 8:38pm

About time Cork started to wake up the Celtic tiger passed the city by where as in Dublin got every thing thanks to Berite
I think all these developments on the keys should lead to the developments of the dockland which would really make Cork
a very strong counter balance to over developed Dublin at least Simon Coveney is doing some great work for Cork I hope he becomes the next leader of FG then we can get our selves a luas Cork used to have a light rail system up until the 50s .
The events center is the jewel in the Crown for Cork , Cork is going places at last and becoming the City it deserves to be the Capitol of the south ...

opencurtin · 27-03-2015 8:42pm

About time Cork started to wake up the Celtic tiger passed the city by where as Dublin got every thing thanks to Berite
I think all these developments on the keys should lead to the developments of the dockland which would really make Cork
a very strong counter balance to over developed Dublin at least Simon Coveney is doing some great work for Cork I hope he becomes the next leader of FG then we can get our selves a luas Cork used to have a light rail system up until the 50s .
The events center is the jewel in the Crown for Cork , Cork is going places at last and becoming the City it deserves to be the Capitol of the south ...

Rhys Essien · 27-03-2015 8:51pm

cgcsb wrote: »

There is a high demand, and low supply of high quality office space in Cork. The Albert Quay development has already pre-let and it's years from being finished.

One Albert Quay is to be finished by February 2016.They are not messing about.

http://www.eveningecho.ie/cork-news/albert-quay-development-will-be-complete-by-next-february/

SpaceTime · 27-03-2015 10:17pm

It actually is very good for Ireland to have at least two serious hub cities. Dublin is actually not benefiting from being over developed in a chaotic way. Having a counterbalance isn't a bad thing.

If you look at countries like Germany for example they've a lot of small and medium cities and a lot of sustainably sized hubs. The UK and France are really bad examples of massive over centralisation in their capital cities.

Even Spain has two huge cities and then lots of Dublin sized regional capitals that really make the place a lot more interesting

Ireland tends to suffer from Dublin and Down the country syndrome though. I find both Dubliners and rural Ireland dwellers seem to either not comprehend or can be downright hostile about other other irish cities!

Rhys Essien · 27-03-2015 10:52pm

Speaking of hubs.These buildings next to the bus station are to become a techhub for startups.

lisasimpson · 28-03-2015 9:34am

Rhys Essien wrote: »

Speaking of hubs.These buildings next to the bus station are to become a techhub for startups.

Its great to see so much development happening in the city centre. well overdue, great to see a bit more life in town in the evenings during the week. there are some fabulous old buildings in town that are run down. hopefully more of the above buildings will get restored.

Pablo Escobar · 29-03-2015 11:49pm

SpaceTime wrote: »

Ireland tends to suffer from Dublin and Down the country syndrome though. I find both Dubliners and rural Ireland dwellers seem to either not comprehend or can be downright hostile about other other irish cities!

I absolutely agree with this. I'm from Cork and live in Kilkenny and work with people from all over the country. The one thing I noticed when I moved here was what you mentioned above. The blinders come on to most people, with the general exception of the counties of Cork and neighbouring countries. They really only see Dublin and nothing else.

calnand · 30-03-2015 2:14am

Carrigdubh Holdings Limited trading as Alchemy Properties are listed as the developers behind it on the planning aplication. But from what I've researched it looks like Dairygold now own the site, as Alchemy properties which was a subsidiary of Reox Holdings, has gone into liquidation and Dairygold acquired the properties, it's very confusing so I'm not exactly sure who the developer is now. Here's a newspaper article explaining some of what I've found. http://www.independent.ie/business/farming/shareholders-will-take-250m-hit-from-roex-liquidation-30901767.html
Besides all that I like the scheme, it definitely stands out from everything else and It makes good use of its location. It's definitely a huge improvement over whats there already.

ofcork · 30-03-2015 11:18am

The echo had a different name for the developers of the brooks site cant recall it now.

opencurtin · 30-03-2015 12:29pm

Maybe it will float , lol

who_me · 01-04-2015 3:23pm

Rhys Essien wrote: »

Speaking of hubs.These buildings next to the bus station are to become a techhub for startups.

That's fantastic news, great to hear it. I'd heard one of them was to be a super pub / restaurant, but any development there is good.

Parnell Place is really starting to look fantastic, with the new paths and several new businesses opening up. (My only minor quibble - I'd have loved to have some kind of monument / sculpture at the middle junction, it's one of the few 5-way junctions in the city with great views in all directions. I guess it wasn't possible with the new layout). I'd love to see the boutique hotel development finished and opened too, would add to it again.

Back to the original building, great to see new developments coming, and at least it's not just another "big glass & metal cuboid". Hopefully we'll see a bit more work done on the quaysides (footpaths, railings etc) themselves to go along with the new riverside developments.

Nemanrio · 01-04-2015 3:31pm

Another office block :rolleyes:

whisky_galore · 01-04-2015 3:35pm

Ugly baxter of a thing.

opencurtin · 01-04-2015 4:08pm

Cork is a commerce city what else would you expect there has to be a balance between retail and Office all major cites have that .
I'd like to see the docks done next with a mix of office living and retail.

Michael.. · 01-04-2015 4:20pm

who_me wrote: »

Hopefully we'll see a bit more work done on the quaysides (footpaths, railings etc) themselves to go along with the new riverside developments.

The quay walls are all being repaired as part of the flood defence project. As far as I know work is suppose to begin in 2106 at some stage.

blow69 · 01-04-2015 4:52pm

Michael.. wrote: »

The quay walls are all being repaired as part of the flood defence project. As far as I know work is suppose to begin in 2106 at some stage.

Sounds about right.

D'Agger · 01-04-2015 5:00pm

Nemanrio wrote: »

Another office block :rolleyes:

I know right, the city centre's been inundated with them the last ten years, it just seems to be one office block after another going up

Dbu · 01-04-2015 5:00pm

Michael.. wrote: »

The quay walls are all being repaired as part of the flood defence project. As far as I know work is suppose to begin in 2106 at some stage.

sounds like an election promise, in reality it will probably never happen until Patrick street is washed away

who_me · 01-04-2015 7:29pm

Dbu wrote: »

sounds like an election promise, in reality it will probably never happen until Patrick street is washed away

I'm confused. Are you saying it'll never happen or it'll happen any day now..

who_me · 01-04-2015 7:32pm

Michael.. wrote: »

The quay walls are all being repaired as part of the flood defence project. As far as I know work is suppose to begin in 2106 at some stage.

Thanks! Just the quay walls, or the railings / paths as well? They're fairly rundown, and the path's dangerously narrow around there as well. Would be nice to see the nearby riverside wharf (if that's the right term) being repaired/replaced as well.

Nemanrio · 01-04-2015 10:07pm

D'Agger wrote: »

I know right, the city centre's been inundated with them the last ten years, it just seems to be one office block after another going up

Certainly the latest developments anyway.

Dbu · 02-04-2015 11:49am

who_me wrote: »

I'm confused. Are you saying it'll never happen or it'll happen any day now..

Probably never fully happen. The quay walls are not the cause of Cork flooding. The money ear marked for a proper flood defence has probably been spent on cycle lanes and renting range rover discoveries.

D'Agger · 02-04-2015 1:06pm

Nemanrio wrote: »

Certainly the latest developments anyway.

It's not though, we've gone from zero developments to two confirmed office blocks (Albert Quay & this south terrace development), A convention centre (Beamish & Crawford) & a retail outlet, that will hopefully become more than just that (Capitol).
TBQH - after years of nothing happening in Cork, I'm delighted to see development. If there's a stigma that office blocks are going to fail due to years of seeing buildings from the recession not get filled then I can somewhat understand it but the fact of the matter is, Cork has the ability to develop the city centre, office blocks will be part of that, and I doubt developers will be supplying offices unless there's a demand to be filled - take the Alberts quay development for example - they have 60% of the building filled before a shovel went into the ground.

I find it hilarious that somebody would be throwing rolleyes at an office development given the lack of office buildings in the city centre that could house relatively large companies, as though we've seen nothing but office blocks go up for the last while, when in reality, we've seen nothing go up for the past 10 years

Nemanrio · 02-04-2015 4:56pm

D'Agger wrote: »

It's not though, we've gone from zero developments to two confirmed office blocks (Albert Quay & this south terrace development), A convention centre (Beamish & Crawford) & a retail outlet, that will hopefully become more than just that (Capitol).
TBQH - after years of nothing happening in Cork, I'm delighted to see development. If there's a stigma that office blocks are going to fail due to years of seeing buildings from the recession not get filled then I can somewhat understand it but the fact of the matter is, Cork has the ability to develop the city centre, office blocks will be part of that, and I doubt developers will be supplying offices unless there's a demand to be filled - take the Alberts quay development for example - they have 60% of the building filled before a shovel went into the ground.

I find it hilarious that somebody would be throwing rolleyes at an office development given the lack of office buildings in the city centre that could house relatively large companies, as though we've seen nothing but office blocks go up for the last while, when in reality, we've seen nothing go up for the past 10 years

As I said the latest developments have been office block related, I am not on about the last 10 years....

Personally I would prefer to see something other than office block being built. As is I don't venture into the city that much.

Has the examiner office/ boardwalk been filled yet?

Corkblowin · 02-04-2015 5:42pm

Nemanrio wrote: »

As I said the latest developments have been office block related, I am not on about the last 10 years....

Personally I would prefer to see something other than office block being built. As is I don't venture into the city that much.

What would you suggest?

lisasimpson · 02-04-2015 6:14pm

Nemanrio wrote: »

As I said the latest developments have been office block related, I am not on about the last 10 years....

Personally I would prefer to see something other than office block being built. As is I don't venture into the city that much.

Has the examiner office/ boardwalk been filled yet?

something other than office blocks?? really... they will bring workers into the centre and hopefully a bit more life into town in the evenings. Have you ever gone into town after work like a Thursday evening the place is dead, some shops don't even bother staying open late on a Thursday cause there is no one around

Nemanrio · 02-04-2015 7:13pm

Corkblowin wrote: »

What would you suggest?

Good question, something recreational I'd imagine.

lisasimpson wrote: »

something other than office blocks?? really... they will bring workers into the centre and hopefully a bit more life into town in the evenings. Have you ever gone into town after work like a Thursday evening the place is dead, some shops don't even bother staying open late on a Thursday cause there is no one around

More office blocks doesn't necessarily mean that it will bring more to the night life. After working in the city all week, office workers may want to get out of the city.

Lambofdave · 02-04-2015 7:36pm

ofcork wrote: »

The echo had a different name for the developers of the brooks site cant recall it now.

Was the name Agricola?

mire · 03-04-2015 9:05am

Nemanrio wrote: »

Good question, something recreational I'd imagine.

More office blocks doesn't necessarily mean that it will bring more to the night life. After working in the city all week, office workers may want to get out of the city.

Actually, there is s direct correlation between office uses and night life. The more people employed in the city centre the more evening time activity there tends to be. The spin off from offices located in city centre locations is huge. It actually supports more recreational and food/entertainment uses. I am not sure why people woudl have an issue with new office schemes in the city centre - it's precisley what the city needs - which is people and activity.

Nemanrio · 03-04-2015 10:22am

mire wrote: »

Actually, there is s direct correlation between office uses and night life. The more people employed in the city centre the more evening time activity there tends to be. The spin off from offices located in city centre locations is huge. It actually supports more recreational and food/entertainment uses. I am not sure why people woudl have an issue with new office schemes in the city centre - it's precisley what the city needs - which is people and activity.

Link?

I never stated I have an issue with it, it just seems all recent/potential developments have been office blocks.

Is the examiner office still empty? What about the old boardwalk restaurant?

Michael.. · 03-04-2015 10:27am

Nemanrio wrote: »

Link?

I never stated I have an issue with it, it just seems all recent/potential developments have been office blocks.

Is the examiner office still empty? What about the old boardwalk restaurant?

What do you suggest they build ?

Nemanrio · 03-04-2015 10:35am

Michael.. wrote: »

What do you suggest they build ?

See a few posts above.

D'Agger · 03-04-2015 11:24am

Nemanrio wrote: »

As I said the latest developments have been office block related, I am not on about the last 10 years....

You didn't read the post then - I stated there's been nothing happening for ten years and something is better than nothing which I'm happy to see. Talking or not talking about the last ten years doesn't add or detract from your original point which is....

Nemanrio wrote: »

Link?
it just seems all recent/potential developments have been office blocks.

I've already pointed out that 50% of the nailed on developments for Cork in the next two years so I still don't see your point as being valid tbh - clearly not all of the latest developments have been office blocks. I certainly don't feel like we're being inundated by them anyway, one or two more being announced in the next while would definitely give me concern as per whether there's a big enough demand for them thought, that much I do admit.

Personally I would prefer to see something other than office block being built. As is I don't venture into the city that much.

Nemanrio wrote: »

Good question, something recreational I'd imagine.

I think this is what I find frustrating about your post. No problem with wanting something different, but at least have something different in mind. With the greatest of respect, coming in throwing a rolleyes at what's being done, then asking for change and then shrugging your shoulders when pressed on it isn't really enough here. Personally, something I'd love to see put in or around the city is an outdoor gym - now, I'm not talking weights, treadmills etc. - but something along the lines of the what I've linked would be nice to have around the place, promoting exercise & healthy living, whilst not being all that expensive to setup. I think, with the bike scheme, it would be a healthy initiative for the city.

Would be open to other suggestions here

Has the examiner office/ boardwalk been filled yet?

Good point, it hasn't yet but you'd like to think that the addition of business offices to the docks with the Albert Quay development, will bring on that area. I wouldn't be suprised to see it filled by 2017. What I expect to come after the Albert Quay development, is an addition of amenities such as coffee shops, barbers - there's already an Aldi by the Elisium - if workers are around that area, business will follow in order to make profit - now, that's all going well I admit, there's no guarantee of success but historically, business follows business.

To give further information on where I'm coming from with the office blocks. I work for a company that's expanding, has been for a few years now and tbh we will most definitely be looking for a new office by 2016/2017 - moving into the city would be a big move, however, if business keeps going the way it has, I could definitely see us taking up residence in a new office block or a building like the examiner offices, or wherever can house us.

I recently looked up Commercial outlets for a business and there was nothing listed for the city centre that could house a company of say 150-200. Little Island and business parks outside of the city were the only real options. So to that end, and I'm only speaking from personal experience here, Cork has a number of companies that are growing - both Irish & multi nationals expanding - there is a demand there and while it may not be evident right now - I do firmly believe that in 2016/2017 we should see a rise in demand - the supply is being created now for that demand, therefore I don't see it as a problem.

lisasimpson · 03-04-2015 12:15pm

bang on there D'agger. the current office supply in the city doesn't cater for many companies in the times we live in, a lot of these companies employ 100+ more how many of the buildings on south mail could accommodate this.

Nemanario - it does increase footfall in the evenings, be it browsing around the shops on payday, meeting friends for dinner/coffee( if coffee shops started opening a bit later)

Id say it wont be long till there is a placement for the boardwalk. With the albert quay site finished and almost has full occupancy already.. a nice target market for lunch/ after work dinners

corkonion · 03-04-2015 12:29pm

Most of the recent major developments are not "office blocks" Construction has just started on redeveloping Pairc Ui Choimh, The Beamish event center looks likely to go ahead and the old Capitol will be mixed use with an empasis on being a food hub. All developments create employment, both temporary and permanent, I for one welcome any development that creates jobs and helps regenerate our city.

Jimmy Bottles · 03-04-2015 12:35pm

Big Developments in Cork
Event centre - Non office
Old Capitol Cinema - Non office
Pairc Ui Chaoimh - Non Office
Tramore Valley Park - Non Office
Marina Park - Non Office
Copley Street - Office
Albert Quay - Office

Nemario, unless my maths is terrible, that is only 28% of large developments in Cork being office based. In fact, the Event centre development out South Main street could be regarded as the largest ever recreational development in Cork City's history.

I really have no idea where you're coming from.

ofcork · 03-04-2015 3:19pm

Lambofdave wrote: »

Was the name Agricola?

Some crowd named watfore apparently.

D'Agger · 03-04-2015 3:34pm

Just continuing the recreation point that was made earlier - is there any update on the park at the dump near the Kinsale Rd. roundabout?

Searched the forum & didn't see anything

calnand · 03-04-2015 4:57pm

There was something about it in the examiner during the week, the box track is nearly finished and will be open as part of some festival soon. Here's the article, http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/on-yer-bike-for-a-fun-day-at-cork-citys-newest-public-park-321717.html

Nemanrio · 03-04-2015 6:10pm

corkonion wrote: »

Most of the recent major developments are not "office blocks" Construction has just started on redeveloping Pairc Ui Choimh, The Beamish event center looks likely to go ahead and the old Capitol will be mixed use with an empasis on being a food hub. All developments create employment, both temporary and permanent, I for one welcome any development that creates jobs and helps regenerate our city.

Jimmy Bottles wrote: »

Big Developments in Cork
Event centre - Non office
Old Capitol Cinema - Non office
Pairc Ui Chaoimh - Non Office
Tramore Valley Park - Non Office
Marina Park - Non Office
Copley Street - Office
Albert Quay - Office

Nemario, unless my maths is terrible, that is only 28% of large developments in Cork being office based. In fact, the Event centre development out South Main street could be regarded as the largest ever recreational development in Cork City's history.

I really have no idea where you're coming from.

The thread title doesn't mention these.

€50m Office block for South Terrace/Copley St.

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