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Teacher Allegedly Sprayed with Holy Water by her Colleagues!

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  • 24-05-2010 11:26pm
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    Hi Folks,

    I didn't think this was sufficiently frivolous for the Religious Humour thread, a bit too WTF for Interesting Stuff, and not really a Hazard of Belief so much as a Hazard of Having Crazy Coworkers (allegedly :p) Mods, feel free to move this should you wish, seeing as you need my permission!

    POMPANO BEACH — Two teachers accused of sprinkling holy water onto an avowed atheist colleague have been removed from the classroom, and may be fired.

    The teacher who was allegedly sprinkled filed a complaint with the Broward County school district, which is investigating the incident as an act of bullying.

    At the center of the investigation are Blanche Ely High School reading teachers Leslie Rainer and Djuna Robinson, who profess that they are Christians. They are accused of sprinkling holy water onto fellow teacher Schandra Tompkinsel Rodriguez.

    On March 11, Rodriguez was in her classroom discussing her disbelief in God and the Bible with students when the alleged incident took place.

    Rainer and Robinson deny the allegations. Robinson’s lawyer, Johnny L. McCray Jr., said he has statements from several students who witnessed the incident and who confirm their version of events.

    Rainer declined comment when contacted. Robinson referred all calls to McCray.

    Rodriguez did not respond to requests for comment.

    “This letter is to inform you that your administrative reassignment location is being changed,” wrote David Golt, executive director of the Broward School District’s Professional Standards & Special Investigative Unit (SIU), in memorandums issued to Rainer and Robinson on April 23. “You are not to return to Blanche Ely High School unless so directed by me.”

    Asked to confirm the details, Golt told the South Florida Times that, “It is actively being investigated, and therefore, I can’t release any information or discuss it.”

    Violation of state anti-bullying law allows for criminal penalties, but Golt said the district is not conducting a criminal investigation.

    Nevertheless, Rainer has been stripped of her post, demoted as director of the school’s reading department. Both Rainer and Robinson are the subjects of hallway gossip after they were escorted out of their classrooms in April, in front of students, and were ordered not to return to school grounds.

    But McCray said the sprinkling of holy water never happened.

    “There was never anything sprayed or sprinkled on anyone or anything, absolutely nothing,” McCray explained. “This is a total fabrication being made against good teachers.”

    He continued: “What did take place was done in front of a classroom full of students. I have interviewed a number of them, and they all say there was only a friendly discussion, no water. My client made a joking comment and held up a bottle of perfume from the doorway, and that was it. There are other issues that have motivated this complaint, which have nothing to do with any misconduct, and those facts will come out.”

    Anti-bullying law

    School officials are investigating the complaint, citing a state anti-bullying law that is aimed at protecting students from harassment and violence from other students.

    “As per the requirements of the Jeffrey Johnson [sic] Stand Up For All Students Act and the Broward County Schools’ Anti-Bullying Policy 5.9, this letter is being sent to address the outcome of the complaint of alleged bullying/harassment filed against you on March 22, 2010 regarding incidents on or before March 11, 2010, that alleged that you upbraided and embarrassed a teacher at your school,” Ely Principal Karlton O. Johnson wrote in an April 12 notice to Rainer and Robinson.

    Known as “Jeff’s Law,” the Jeffrey Johnston Act was signed into law by Gov. Charlie Crist in 2008. It came three years after its inspiration, Jeffrey Johnston, a student at Trafalgar Middle School in Cape Coral, Florida, committed suicide in 2005. He had been bullied by other students over the Internet.

    The law applies to students and employees alike at public schools. Among other things, it prohibits intimidation, harassment, physical or cyber bullying, and requires school staff to report all incidents. Violating the law could lead to progressive discipline, up to termination, and possibly criminal consequences.

    Alleged sprinkling

    Holy water is sterile water or oil that Christians use in prayer rituals. After the water is sanctified by a priest, preacher or congregational leader, it is deemed to have been blessed with divine powers.

    The liquid is used to bring blessings, well being and other positive outcomes such as healing or warding off evil spirits for places or individuals.

    According to sources close to the investigation who requested anonymity, the alleged incident involving the holy water at Blanche Ely arose from a boisterous discussion Rodriguez was having with her students about the Jan. 12 earthquake in Haiti.

    On at least one social networking website, Rodriguez described herself as an “Atheist” and “change agent.”

    In response to one student’s remark that the disaster in Haiti happened because of God’s wrath on the island nation over a pact its leaders made with Satan more than 200 years ago, Rodriguez reportedly began refuting Christianity.

    The alleged Satanic pact in question reportedly occurred at Bois-Caïman, near Cap-Haïtien, on August 14, 1791, during a voodoo ceremony held by enslaved Africans. The reported pact came before the slave rebellion and start of the Haitian Independence War, in which rebel leaders offered the reported agreement in exchange for a victory against the French Army.

    In response to the lively discussion, Rainer and Robinson entered the room.

    “Sounds like somebody needs some holy water,” a student remarked before Robinson retrieved and displayed a small bottle of liquid from the doorway.

    Rainer has been a teacher for 20 years, the last 13 of which have been at Ely. Robinson has been teaching at the school for 12 years, with 18 total years in education. Both have excellent performance evaluations.

    McCray said that after the brief encounter ended, Rodriguez ate lunch with Rainer and Robinson, and there was never any further discussion about it until they were surprised with the April 12 notices from the school district.

    School officials say they have no timetable on how long their investigation may take or how many witnesses could be interviewed. Rodriguez’s personnel file was not immediately available for review, and officials have not responded to questions about her past employment history.

    “According to my client, Mrs. Rainer, and the students who witnessed it, this simply never happened,” McCray said.

    http://www.sfltimes.com/index2.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4452&pop=1&page=0&Itemid=1

    Frankly, my Wacker-sense is tingling on this one. I'm ready to call shenanigans. What do y'all think?

    Piece of advice: resist the urge to read the comments. They'll just depress you.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,097 ✭✭✭kiffer


    meh... saw this on fark... sounds like a mess.

    What I think what probably happened was:
    - discussion went along fairly reasonably...
    - Christian teacher/student makes "joke" about holy water, teacher mimes splashing it or what ever...
    - Atheist teacher is not offended at the time...
    - Later, she thinks... that's slightly offensive.
    - gets worked up over it and starts to see it as an insult...
    - thinks "maybe they did actually do it while my back was turned"
    - yeah that's exactly the sort of thing those zealots would do!
    - instead of going to the other teacher and saying "look I've been thinking about it and I don't think that was all that funny" she decides that it's bullying and lodges complaint...


    Now... if she had gone to the other teachers and said something she still could have gone on to lodge a complaint if they'd been jerks about it or something...

    If she'd responded to the joke with "Holy waters not going to help, I drew pentagrams on the under side of your chairs last week..." what would have happened?

    That's one way to tell if it's just a bit of light hearted slagging rather than thoughtless bullying... If they laugh then then all was in friendly jest, if when the shoe is on the other foot they become offended (Shock! how could you say that!) it's laughing at you and not with you...


    meh - unless there are other unmentioned factors at work, my money would be on the atheist teacher being mistaken in her complaint.

    What's a Change Agent? It seems to be a business term...
    Holy water is not necessarily sterile...


  • Registered Users Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    So what if they did splash her with a bit of water? She should take the joke for what it is and move on with her life.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,316 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    Did she start burning when it landed on her heretic skin? :pac: If not, move on.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,788 ✭✭✭MrPudding


    amacachi wrote: »
    Did she start burning when it landed on her heretic skin? :pac: If not, move on.
    Exactly what I was thinking.

    MrP


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Galvasean wrote: »
    She should take the joke for what it is and move on with her life.
    More importantly, stop worrying and get on with her life. :)

    And what exactly is a "change agent"? Sounds like someone who works in a booth of some sort.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    While I'm constantly surprised at how surprised I can be about the behaviour of theists, this all smacks of petty school politics. It is possibly more likely that this woman was actually being bully for being an atheist (wouldn't be the first), but throwing holy water claims sound of sensationalism. If anything was thrown on anyone else I doubt it was serious, probably a miss judged joke.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭studiorat


    Reminds me of an article in the Portadown News some time back...
    Security sources have welcomed the arrival of a Holy Water Cannon from the Vatican City.
    "Spraying Holy Water on Orangemen is pretty much like spraying ordinary water on them," admitted RUC officer Bill Mason yesterday. "But it will really annoy them, and that's the main thing."

    http://www.portadownnews.com/06Jul01.htm


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,459 ✭✭✭Niska


    Could be worse. Imagine the dry-cleaning bills if they were Pastafarians sprinkling holy Bolognese sauce...


  • Registered Users Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    Anyone else annoyed by the hoo-hah? I used to be content with thinking "At least atheists dont make it their business to take offense to silly little things".


  • Registered Users Posts: 446 ✭✭sonicthebadger*


    I've often noticed that the victim of bullying sounds like they're overreacting and being overly sensitive. Sometimes things come to a head and the actions that push things too far are actually pretty tame, it's the build up that broke the situation.
    This teacher definitely sounds like she can't take a joke, I have a mate like that, he doesn't take the mick out of other people and he's not good at handling it when other people do it to him. Now we're all a bit more mature we've stopped jeering him cause if he doesn't give it he shouldn't be expected to take it.
    I doubt the media will ever get enough details of this situation to allow anyone outside to make an informed decision about what's really going on here.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    Galvasean wrote: »
    Anyone else annoyed by the hoo-hah? I used to be content with thinking "At least atheists dont make it their business to take offense to silly little things".

    Yeah was thinking the same thing.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,080 ✭✭✭lmaopml


    I have to admit, after I read the article, I read the comments...some of them anyway....and got 'depressed'..

    ...and yeah it is a total pile of shyte...I wonder is it a sign of the times and a case of drawing lines in the sand that some see as misty, noteworthy, but not worth calling in a revolution over, and others see as something to 'cherish' ? I think it's crap, I think this generation should rise to the challenge of human rights as opposed to giving in to all this PC crap!

    I hate the idea of the media selling me an opinion too..meh....rags!

    Education needs to be seriously bumped up a notch in this country, especially as regards politics, equality, and communication are concerned..


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