And the winner of dreamer of the year is...

bear1 · 24-05-2017 10:16am

Bit of hostility around this morning.

Gravelly · 24-05-2017 10:23am

bear1 wrote: »

Bit of hostility around this morning.

Who knew Civic drivers were so sensitive

Cheensbo · 24-05-2017 10:26am

Gravelly wrote: »

Opinions are like @rseholes, everyone has one - don't get to thinking that just because you have one it's correct!

A typo for a 200sx, as I'm sure you know :rolleyes:

Opinions are, completely agree with you, but regardless of opinions - fast civics are fast (unless youre comparing to supercars or something), its not at all hard to understand their popularity, they're extremely reliable & simple, any dohc vtec engine is pretty damn powerful for their size & there's also the huge availability of aftermarket & interchangeable upgrades.

A 200sx that can go on classic insurance is going to be a s12 or an early s13?, probably powered by a ca18det? hardly the pinnacle of performance or reliability but sure.. you could argue something like a jap import ps13 that would be an 89 at the earliest, harder again to insure cos jap import and still no classic tax - and good luck finding one as clean as that civic above for < €10k..

Funny thing is i dont have a particular like for them, i havent owned a honda nor do i plan on in the near future, but i dont let that cloud the fact that they are hugely popular for a reason.

Cheensbo · 24-05-2017 10:28am

Gravelly wrote: »

Who knew Civic drivers were so sensitive

I"m actually a toyota fanboi, dont really like civics - just dont like watching people shít on cars they know nothing about

Quazzie · 24-05-2017 10:33am

Gravelly wrote: »

Who knew Civic drivers were so sensitive

Only ever drove a civic once in my life, and I hated every single second of it. To call a B18 engined Civic slow tho is laughable.

Gravelly · 24-05-2017 10:34am

Cheensbo wrote: »

Opinions are, completely agree with you, but regardless of opinions - fast civics are fast (unless youre comparing to supercars or something), its not at all hard to understand their popularity, they're extremely reliable & simple, any dohc vtec engine is pretty damn powerful for their size & there's also the huge availability of aftermarket & interchangeable upgrades.

A 200sx that can go on classic insurance is going to be a s12 or an early s13?, probably powered by a ca18det? hardly the pinnacle of performance or reliability but sure.. you could argue something like a jap import ps13 that would be an 89 at the earliest, harder again to insure cos jap import and still no classic tax - and good luck finding one as clean as that civic above for < €10k..

Funny thing is i dont have a particular like for them, i havent owned a honda nor do i plan on in the near future, but i dont let that cloud the fact that they are hugely popular for a reason.

And I agreed with you - if you read my post, you'd see I qualified my derision with "I'd understand if it was Type Rs they were driving" - my opinion was based on lads driving basic spec Civics - anyone who claims a basic spec 1.4 Civic is some kind of sports car is dreaming (in my opinion!) - I've nothing against Civics, just can't understand the obsession with them in Ireland. I rarely see young lads in the UK driving 1.4 Civics with huge spoilers and oversized alloys (though you do see pimped up 207s and Clios, so they aren't any better). They just seemed to get this reputation by default.

Gravelly · 24-05-2017 10:35am

Cheensbo wrote: »

I"m actually a toyota fanboi, dont really like civics - just dont like watching people shít on cars they know nothing about

I've owned a few fast Toyotas in my day, and I'd love to know what it is I don't know about Civics that makes them so great?

Quazzie · 24-05-2017 10:39am

Gravelly wrote: »

And I agreed with you - if you read my post, you'd see I qualified my derision with "I'd understand if it was Type Rs they were driving" - my opinion was based on lads driving basic spec Civics - anyone who claims a basic spec 1.4 Civic is some kind of sports car is dreaming (in my opinion!) - I've nothing against Civics, just can't understand the obsession with them in Ireland. I rarely see young lads in the UK driving 1.4 Civics with huge spoilers and oversized alloys (though you do see pimped up 207s and Clios, so they aren't any better). They just seemed to get this reputation by default.

If I'm a young lad and I can only afford to tax and insure a 1.4 car. My options are very limited. Golf, Leon, Civic, 307, Clio etc. Out of them, none of them are quick. Not even the civic. The advantage of the civic is that it is extremely customizable, and can be upgraded relatively cheaply to handle fantastically. If you're driving a 1.4 car, you might aswell drive one that handles like it's on rails.

Gravelly · 24-05-2017 10:44am

Quazzie wrote: »

If I'm a young lad and I can only afford to tax and insure a 1.4 car. My options are very limited. Golf, Leon, Civic, 307, Clio etc. Out of them, none of them are quick. Not even the civic. The advantage of the civic is that it is extremely customizable, and can be upgraded relatively cheaply to handle fantastically. If you're driving a 1.4 car, you might aswell drive one that handles like it's on rails.

That's a true enough point, and goes some way in explaining it I suppose. Another may be that used Golfs seem to make crazy money here, and Peugeots/Renaults have more of a stigma than they do in the UK, so that might also explain it a bit.

Titzon Toast · 24-05-2017 11:50am

Gravelly wrote: »

Can't understand the Irish boy racer obsession with the bloody Honda Civic. In most other countries they are seen as the kind of car your grandparents would drive. Their performance, handling, and looks are distinctly ordinary, so why are they held up in this same regard? At least something like an Impreza or Evo has performance credentials and a rallying heritage. I'd understand if it was Type Rs they were driving, but most of them are driving your basic 1.4 shopping box.
They'd be better off buying an 80's MR2 or 200nx for the same money, getting classic tax and insurance, and having something that looks good and at least gives the impression of going fast.

Because they're reliable, they're cheap, have low tax, are relatively easy to insure, and are easily tuned.
Young people struggle to get classic insurance in this country, even if they could they'd need to have another car insured under their own name first.

Also, how the hell are they going to insure an Sti or an Evo?

You didn't really think that post through did you?

Gravelly · 24-05-2017 11:53am

Titzon Toast wrote: »

Because they're reliable, they're cheap, have low tax, are relatively easy to insure, and are easily tuned.
Young people struggle to get classic insurance in this country, even if they could they'd need to have another car insured under their own name first.

Also, how the hell are they going to insure an Sti or an Evo?

You didn't really think that post through did you?

Again, someone who didn't read my post properly

Do Civic fans have literacy issues as well as bad taste

I didn't suggest they insure an Sti or Evo, I said I can understand the appeal of those cars.

Man, Honda fanboys are touchy.

morritty · 24-05-2017 12:06pm

Gravelly wrote: »

Again, someone who didn't read my post properly
Do Civic fans have literacy issues as well as bad taste

I didn't suggest they insure an Sti or Evo, I said I can understand the appeal of those cars.

Man, Honda fanboys are touchy.

So anyone who defends young people driving civics for whatever reason is a Honda fanboy?

Gravelly · 24-05-2017 12:10pm

morritty wrote: »

So anyone who defends young people driving civics for whatever reason is a Honda fanboy?

No, Quazzie did, but his was a logical and non-emotional response. I'd consider a slightly hysterical, emotional response to be that of a fanboy!

morritty · 24-05-2017 12:17pm

Right, ill rephrase it.

So, because someone gave a reason to defend young drivers buying a civic for various reasons.....and also states they drove a civic one and hated it....they're a Honda Fanboy?

I drove a Micra once, i hated it because it was miserable. I'd recommend it to a young driver because its a decent cheap way to start motoring....am I a Nissan fanboy?

Spoiler alert: I've never owned a Nissan

everlast75 · 24-05-2017 12:23pm

Gravelly · 24-05-2017 12:25pm

morritty wrote: »

Right, ill rephrase it.

So, because someone gave a reason to defend young drivers buying a civic for various reasons.....and also states they drove a civic one and hated it....they're a Honda Fanboy?

I didn't call that poster a fanboy.

morritty wrote: »

I drove a Micra once, i hated it because it was miserable. I'd recommend it to a young driver because its a decent cheap way to start motoring....am I a Nissan fanboy?

Spoiler alert: I've never owned a Nissan

If loads of young people were tarting up micras and pretending they were sportscars, and I expressed an opinion that I don't understand why they do that, would you get offended? If so you may be a fanboy, if not, then you're probably not.

I seem to have hit a sore spot with a lot of people - who knew expressing a dislike for a certain model of car could be so contentious?

I've owned more than 40 different models of car in my time, everything from a Nissan to a Porsche, and from a 1950's sports car to a modern estate. I wouldn't get on a high horse if anyone criticised any of those cars, but would instead explain calmly why I bought it at the time. Maybe I'm unusual in that!

morritty · 24-05-2017 12:27pm

Ah you see, this is a motors forum. try not to sh1t on other peoples cars, why they have them or what they do to them, and you'll be just fine

Gravelly · 24-05-2017 12:29pm

morritty wrote: »

Ah you see, this is a motors forum. try not to sh1t on other peoples cars, why they have them or what they do to them, and you'll be just fine

So a motors forum means that no criticism of any make or model of car is allowed? Right so.

James Bond Junior · 24-05-2017 12:35pm

Gravelly wrote: »

So a motors forum means that no criticism of any make or model of car is allowed? Right so.

That's not the case here though. Criticism is fair and welcome but calling people illiterate and touchy just because they disagree with your opinion isn't very nice.

Gravelly · 24-05-2017 12:39pm

James Bond Junior wrote: »

That's not the case here though. Criticism is fair and welcome but calling people illiterate and touchy just because they disagree with your opinion isn't very nice.

I didn't call anyone illiterate, I asked if someone had a literacy problem as, for the second time, they had quoted something I hadn't said as if I had said it.

Given the responses, calling people touchy is probably an understatement!

lassykk · 24-05-2017 12:51pm

Was really looking forward to 3 pages of updates with a raft of new dreamer of the year cars... Sadly mistaken

Toyotafanboi · 24-05-2017 12:54pm

Back to dreamers I think lads.

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/ae91-toyota-corolla-mint/15587579

I love these old Jap Corollas but €4500 makes me think this guy has eaten too many magic mushrooms. The interiors are lovely in those and the cars have a certain charm but it's dangerously overpriced.

Here's a similar car, potentially even more "desirable" being a diesel and 4wd for a third of the asking and even this one is a shade pricey.

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/corolla-2-0-diesel-4wd/15423400

As these ads go to show, if you are ever looking for a dreamer, look no further than the "vintage" section on donedeal.

Gravelly · 24-05-2017 1:01pm

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Back to dreamers I think lads.

Here's a similar car, potentially even more "desirable" being a diesel and 4wd for a third of the asking and even this one is a shade pricey.

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/corolla-2-0-diesel-4wd/15423400

As these ads go to show, if you are ever looking for a dreamer, look no further than the "vintage" section on donedeal.

That must be a rare beast - wonder how many are in the country? Wouldn't fancy it much though.

Duke O Smiley · 24-05-2017 2:04pm

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Back to dreamers I think lads.

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/ae91-toyota-corolla-mint/15587579

I love these old Jap Corollas but €4500 makes me think this guy has eaten too many magic mushrooms. The interiors are lovely in those and the cars have a certain charm but it's dangerously overpriced.

Here's a similar car, potentially even more "desirable" being a diesel and 4wd for a third of the asking and even this one is a shade pricey.

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/corolla-2-0-diesel-4wd/15423400

As these ads go to show, if you are ever looking for a dreamer, look no further than the "vintage" section on donedeal.

Its that red interior tho - absolutely class!

Duke O Smiley · 24-05-2017 2:05pm

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/nissan-figaro-fk10-02dr-a/15589013

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€13k!

punisher5112 · 24-05-2017 2:19pm

I would rather burn the near 13k.

Never understood anyone that would drive one they are miserable.

Gravelly · 24-05-2017 2:21pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

I would rather burn the near 13k.

Never understood anyone that would drive one they are miserable.

A Micra in drag. (no offense to Micra drivers, Figaro drivers, or drag queens intended).

punisher5112 · 24-05-2017 2:30pm

I've owned many a Micra but would not be driving that if was given for free and I have driven them but not for long.

Toyotafanboi · 24-05-2017 2:55pm

Close the thread, we're done here. Holy Moly.

They are starting to hold good value and they are infinitely cool IMO, but if it was up for €5k I'd still think they were dreaming.

Duke O Smiley · 24-05-2017 3:50pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

I've owned many a Micra but would not be driving that if was given for free and I have driven them but not for long.

Admittedly I'm looking in from an outside perspective, but I see the appeal. Soft top, nice bright interior and a peppy (I presume) engine. I'd be more than happy with one on s day like today. But if it was my money I'd be buying the 1500 Pao in the bangernomics thread

wotzgoingon · 24-05-2017 3:58pm

Honda's are known for great handling. During the 90's they were using double wishbone suspension. I do not know if they still are.

Wibbs · 24-05-2017 4:04pm

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

Admittedly I'm looking in from an outside perspective, but I see the appeal.

Same here TBH. Bags of character, though not at that money. :eek::eek:

wotzgoingon wrote: »

Honda's are known for great handling. During the 90's they were using double wishbone suspension. I do not know if they still are.

Not as far as I know. McPherson struts and torsion bars IIRC.

JohnBoy26 · 25-05-2017 2:15am

Wibbs wrote: »

Same here TBH. Bags of character, though not at that money. :eek::eek:

Not as far as I know. McPherson struts and torsion bars IIRC.

Not anymore, tbe new civic has fully independent rear suspension.

Beta Ray Bill · 25-05-2017 2:29pm

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/mitsubishi-lancer-evo-3-rep-/14917165

What the F**king jaysis!!!???

€2,200 for a 20 year old Replica with wheels that don't fit!

This is the best bit:

4 super Rare genuine mitsubishi wind deflectors
Genuine evo 3 front mount intercooler including all piping ( to get that genuine look

I wouldn't even give Tree Fiddy for that.
It's scrap...

Gravelly · 25-05-2017 2:36pm

grahambo wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/mitsubishi-lancer-evo-3-rep-/14917165

What the F**king jaysis!!!???

€2,200 for a 20 year old Replica with wheels that don't fit!

This is the best bit:

I wouldn't even give Tree Fiddy for that.
It's scrap...

Who knows what horrors lurk under the vinyl wrap.

ht9zni1gs28crp · 25-05-2017 3:01pm

grahambo wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/mitsubishi-lancer-evo-3-rep-/14917165

What the F**king jaysis!!!???

€2,200 for a 20 year old Replica with wheels that don't fit!

This is the best bit:

I wouldn't even give Tree Fiddy for that.
It's scrap...

Yes its on the expensive side and its only valuable to someone who wants the parts. for eg

Evo 3 full kit can go for upwards of £400 sterling

Evo 3 original OZ rims again £400 plus

Doors, bonnet, boot and interior, who knows. I know i could do with some parts off it....if someone buys it let me know

Gravelly wrote: »

Who knows what horrors lurk under the vinyl wrap.

Rusty roof where the support bars are for one. All the early Evo's rust here.

wyliecoyote1 · 02-06-2017 2:09pm

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/1-of-a-kind-mugen-cl1-euro-r-will-swap/15569112

10k for cl1 euro r. Its nothing special either

Gravelly · 02-06-2017 2:17pm

wyliecoyote1 wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/1-of-a-kind-mugen-cl1-euro-r-will-swap/15569112

10k for cl1 euro r. Its nothing special either

At the risk of riling up all the Honda fans again, I wouldn't block a feckin gap with it, not to mention pay 10 grand for it!

*Edit* For €300 less you could get this! http://www.adverts.ie/vehicles/nissan-350z-gt-pack/12958469

Gravelly · 02-06-2017 2:28pm

Yet another "optimistically" priced BJ42, this time an Aussie import that looks like it's already succumbing to the Irish weather, and only €22,500:

http://www.adverts.ie/vehicles/toyota-landcruiser-bj42-lx/12631073

It makes this €16,000 Series 3 look like it's almost good value:

http://www.adverts.ie/vehicles/landrover-1982-series-3-marine-blue-classic/12848962

Cheensbo · 02-06-2017 2:53pm

Gravelly wrote: »

At the risk of riling up all the Honda fans again, I wouldn't block a feckin gap with it, not to mention pay 10 grand for it!

*Edit* For €300 less you could get this! http://www.adverts.ie/vehicles/nissan-350z-gt-pack/12958469

That accord is nearly winning this thread, but the 350z is asking twice the price they dont sell for...

Gravelly · 02-06-2017 2:57pm

Cheensbo wrote: »

That accord is nearly winning this thread, but the 350z is asking twice the price they dont sell for...

Yeah, I'd agree the 350z is well overpriced too, but like my other example with the Landcruiser and the Series 3, it looks like an absolute bargain compared to the Honda!

02-06-2017 2:58pm

Absolute savage motor but at 40K he's gotta be dreaming ?

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/bmw-m3-m3-convertible-dct/13563438

grogi · 02-06-2017 3:13pm

BrownFinger wrote: »

Absolute savage motor but at 40K he's gotta be dreaming ?

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/bmw-m3-m3-convertible-dct/13563438

That kind of money would buy you a M3 2013. Not a convertible though...

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201703173390035?onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&advertising-location=at_cars&radius=1500&make=BMW&postcode=bt282ua&ni-only=NORTHERN%20IRELAND&model=M3&sort=sponsored&page=1

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201704204598650?onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&advertising-location=at_cars&radius=1500&make=BMW&postcode=bt282ua&ni-only=NORTHERN%20IRELAND&model=M3&sort=sponsored&page=1&advert-type=ymal

purpleisafruit · 02-06-2017 3:37pm

grogi wrote: »

That kind of money would buy you a M3 2013. Not a convertible though...

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201703173390035?onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&advertising-location=at_cars&radius=1500&make=BMW&postcode=bt282ua&ni-only=NORTHERN%20IRELAND&model=M3&sort=sponsored&page=1

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201704204598650?onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&advertising-location=at_cars&radius=1500&make=BMW&postcode=bt282ua&ni-only=NORTHERN%20IRELAND&model=M3&sort=sponsored&page=1&advert-type=ymal

Those numbers don't include the astronomical VRT that would be charged on import though.
I agree with the OPs sentiment though, 40k for a 10 year old car is insane

PurvesGrundy · 05-06-2017 6:44pm

I know these are a future classic, but 30k is just taking the piss for a late 8 Series like this: http://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/bmw/8-series/used-2000-bmw-8-series-840ci-spor-dublin-fpa-7623796905488548149

Toyotafanboi · 05-06-2017 7:04pm

You'd love to know what they paid for that.

bear1 · 05-06-2017 7:20pm

That would have cost 100k back in the day.

PurvesGrundy · 05-06-2017 7:41pm

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

You'd love to know what they paid for that.

Easily a third (or less) I would say.

Gravelly · 05-06-2017 8:11pm

PurvesGrundy wrote: »

I know these are a future classic, but 30k is just taking the piss for a late 8 Series like this: http://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/bmw/8-series/used-2000-bmw-8-series-840ci-spor-dublin-fpa-7623796905488548149

Fantastic car, but not €30k fantastic. And if anything goes wrong, it'll be either a mortgage or the scrapper.

Wibbs · 05-06-2017 9:13pm

PurvesGrundy wrote: »

I know these are a future classic, but 30k is just taking the piss for a late 8 Series like this: http://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/bmw/8-series/used-2000-bmw-8-series-840ci-spor-dublin-fpa-7623796905488548149

Aye and the all too usual 10 photos and not one of the interior or engine bay. :rolleyes:

Gravelly wrote: »

Fantastic car, but not ?30k fantastic. And if anything goes wrong, it'll be either a mortgage or the scrapper.

+1. Gorgeous car, but a collection of very expensive and often troublesome parts waiting to go wrong.

And the winner of dreamer of the year is...

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