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New Public Transport Website - justroutes.com

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  • #2
    bazzer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 362 ✭✭bazzer


    Didn't work for me. I entered Aston Quay to Ballyfermot Road and it told me the most direct bus route was the 31B !!


  • #3
    markf909
    Closed Accounts Posts: 461 ✭✭markf909


    Great idea, typically it takes a private individual to provide this info though.

    They should provide links to buying lots of travel 90's also, other wise you had better have a lot of loose change for those bus xfers.


  • #4
    MiniD
    Closed Accounts Posts: 371 ✭✭MiniD


    A great idea but terribly misleading with bus routes.

    For example, I typed in Kimmage to Finglas. This is served by cross city route 83. However, according to this website, it states there is no direct route.

    I then tried Ashington to Drimnagh Road. These are the terminus points for cross city route 122. Instead, I'm told to get either a 38C or 40D to town and change bus.


  • #5
    MOH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,465 ✭✭✭MOH


    Donnycarney to Rathmines not only didn't give me the new 128, it recommended I walk to the Howth Road instead of the Malahide Road, get a bus to town, then an 11?!


  • #6
    Alun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,487 ✭✭✭✭Alun


    It doesn't seem to know about the existence of the 145 bus route either.


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  • #7
    Tiriel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,182 ✭✭✭Tiriel


    Hi - I'm not sure if this has already been posted but just in case - I heard about it on the radio yesterday evening

    http://ie.intruders.tv/Interview-David-Rooney-and-Vincent-Glennon-of-JustRoutes-com_a140.html

    But basically I think it's fantastic - a super idea and fair play to the lads. Really good work - all off their own backs!


  • #8
    munchkin_utd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭munchkin_utd


    indeed. Idea is good. Implementation is diabolical though.

    It uses car directions between stops, rather than the pedestrian straightest way as the crow flys. For example, to cross to the other side of O Connell Street you are told to go round the block, across the liffey and back again, rather than just cross the feckin street.

    Try a point to point search on the transort for london site and you'll see how its done. It even lists every flight of steps you may encounter which is handy if you are mobility impaired.


  • #9
    MiniD
    Closed Accounts Posts: 371 ✭✭MiniD


    Already a thread on it here:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055188546

    As mentioned in the thread, it's lacking lots of bus routes, and basic information for using public transport.


  • #10
    Victor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,490 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Threads merged.


  • #11
    Nuttzz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,777 ✭✭✭Nuttzz


    doesnt really work, a bit like public transport :)


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  • #12
    Tiriel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,182 ✭✭✭Tiriel


    It's a work in progress - I say fair play to the lads and I hope it does improve because it's a fantastic idea.

    Would be so useful - especially if you are thinking about moving house - you could check routes servicing where you work etc.

    Genius tbh!


  • #13
    MiniD
    Closed Accounts Posts: 371 ✭✭MiniD


    The only thing worse than having no public transport information, is having misleading information.
    If you use this website for bus information, there is a wrong chance you will end up on the wrong bus.

    When launching something like this, it's best to have it perfect before announcing it to the public.


  • #14
    ManAboutCouch
    Registered Users Posts: 225 ✭✭ManAboutCouch


    It's a shame that Google Maps doesn't currently have an 'On Foot' travel mode, which would make the directions more useful. Hopefully that will be implemented in a future version.

    In the meantime perhaps the JustRoutes guys could have a word with the DTO about the DTO's journey planner which has walk and cycle options, but relies on MapFlow mapping and doesn't include any bus information.

    A mashup of the two sites would be interesting, but I imagine the MapFlow mapping isn't easily scrapeable.

    In any case, it looks like a lot of work went into the JustRoutes site and I wish the guys behind it well. It does beg the question of why the DTO or even Dublin Bus couldn't have created something similar.


  • #15
    Nuttzz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,777 ✭✭✭Nuttzz


    dto do a walk/cycle route planner. that website told me to get a bus that was a 15 minute walk from my house...i live 3 minutes from a bus stop of a different route


  • #16
    Voipjunkie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,062 ✭✭✭Voipjunkie


    Great idea but the implementation is very poor

    Malahide Road only route listed is the 27
    no 27B,20B,42, 42A,43,103,104,128

    Howth Road no 32, 32A, 32B

    No route 53,53A,51A

    No 102


    That is just from a quick glance

    If you put in Beaumount Hospital from the City centre it offers the 16 or the 27 neither of which go into the Hospital and leave you a good walk away despite the fact that the hospital is directly served by 5 different bus routes 3 of them from the city centre.

    Perhaps a copy of the Dublin Bus timetable would have been a good investment before launching the site


  • #17
    markpb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,342 ✭✭✭markpb


    Anyone doing a site like that would be better off with a GPS recorder and a monthly bus pass. Asking DB for route maps wouldn't be very productive ;)


  • #18
    GerardKeating
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,712 ✭✭✭GerardKeating


    Alun wrote: »
    It doesn't seem to know about the existence of the 145 bus route either.

    I asked it to plot a route from my parents house in Raheny to Lucan, but i gave up reading after it put me on a bus eireann bus to waterford...


  • #19
    Prof_V
    Closed Accounts Posts: 122 ✭✭Prof_V


    GerardKeating wrote: »
    I asked it to plot a route from my parents house in Raheny to Lucan, but i gave up reading after it put me on a bus eireann bus to waterford...

    It gave me a BÉ Drogheda bus for the final leg of a Tallaght-airport trip, which seems funny considering the 41s, 746 and 747 are in the database; perhaps it's that the BÉ bus is faster or that the site allows transfer from the Red Line to BÉ at Busáras, but not the 41 at Abbey Street. (Looking at the map of the 41 itself, it doesn't seem to go south of Cathal Brugha Street, which may be part of the problem; I'm at a loss to explain why the 747 is ignored, though.)

    I think the idea is very welcome, but it's important to get routes to the airport and other key destinations - ones that are likely to be used by people who aren't familiar with the areas they go through - right at an early stage; also, if the BÉ routes are going to be included, there probably needs to be some way of disabling their use for trips within the DB area.


  • #20
    Victor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,490 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Prof_V wrote: »
    It gave me a BÉ Drogheda bus for the final leg of a Tallaght-airport trip, which seems funny considering the 41s, 746 and 747 are in the database; perhaps it's that the BÉ bus is faster or that the site allows transfer from the Red Line to BÉ at Busáras, but not the 41 at Abbey Street.
    Of course this brings in a further complication. BÉ won't do the Busáras - Airport trip as it is within the DB area.

    Does anyone know the guys doing th site?


  • #21
    Tiriel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,182 ✭✭✭Tiriel


    Victor wrote: »
    Of course this brings in a further complication. BÉ won't do the Busáras - Airport trip as it is within the DB area.

    Does anyone know the guys doing th site?

    Nope fraid not - just their info that was in the link I posted earler in the thread.

    They would love help on this though by the sounds of it so if anyone wants to throw in their knowledge/expertise I'm sure it would be appreciated!


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  • #22
    markpb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,342 ✭✭✭markpb


    Cork_girl wrote: »
    Nope fraid not - just their info that was in the link I posted earler in the thread.

    They would love help on this though by the sounds of it so if anyone wants to throw in their knowledge/expertise I'm sure it would be appreciated!

    I thought the guy who developed this site posted here in C&T a few months ago?

    Edit: found it linky


  • #23
    lostexpectation
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,082 ✭✭✭lostexpectation


    I put a message on his blog,emailed him to say it didn't recognise my road, a number of other roads, he dismissed it and didn't believe me.

    I wonder if they would add the details to the opensource os openmap project, doubt it, these guy benefitted from a dcu company incubator to find the time and money to get the bus and trace the routes. Im not sure how'll they make money on it in furture onsite advertising I guess.


  • #24
    nagero
    Closed Accounts Posts: 234 ✭✭nagero


    lostexpectation wrote: »
    Im not sure how'll they make money on it in furture onsite advertising I guess.

    Maybe the missing buses, routes, mentioned above are only available in the 'paid' version :D


  • #25
    vinnyglennon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5 ✭vinnyglennon


    Hi all,
    Thanks very all the excellent feedback above. I hope to provide some more information for everyone.
    At the moment, we have about half of the Dublin Bus Services covered, hence why a number of people are getting misleading information, saying for example there is no route near them, when in fact there is many of them. Currently only mapquest gives walking directions between points. Including this with Google Maps would lead to a much slower load up time, but I agree that this is something which needs to be addressed. Athe moment, we are looking at every possible way to solve this using third party data.
    I launched the site early as I wanted to see if this was something that would interest people and also to get feedback. All development and costs are beared by the two founders, we have recieved some money from the Invent Center in DCU to promote them at the FOWA event in London at the start of October, where we were presenting. This covered our flights there. We are not part of any company incubator scheme. In fact we are not even a company, just 2 guys with a good idea.
    All the bus stop locations, have been found by doing what MarkPB suggested, hopping on and off each bus with a GPS device to record each stop. Quite time consuming.
    The 747 has not been ignored, its just that I have not got around to doing it yet. We currently have another person on board to help us get the routes done faster.
    If anybody would like to contact me, my email is Vinny@justroutes.com and my blog is at blog.justroutes.com .
    There is no "paid" version of the site, the justroutes site will always remain free for users like yourself. We have a couple of options for businesses like justroutes.com/dcu/ to embed their location, if anyone is interested, please contact me also at vinny@justroutes.com
    I hope all this helps, and adds a little bit more information to the fire!:)
    Vinny


  • #26
    MiniD
    Closed Accounts Posts: 371 ✭✭MiniD


    Thanks for the feedback Vinny. The best of luck with your project.

    While it's good to launch things early, there is a danger if somebody logs on and finds it missing some key information, they may not return to your site.

    Personally, I would not launch a website giving information to people unless I was sure it was correct and not misleading. I understand the problems with tracing all routes, as it's not unusual for bus routes to change on a weekly basis, but there are some really obvious bus routes missing from your site.


  • #27
    munchkin_utd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭munchkin_utd


    theres 2 more that I know of who do walking directions
    The Dublin Transport Office : http://www.dto.ie/web2006/jp.htm
    and
    via Michelin : www.viamichelin.com

    whether they allow 3rd party access to their info is another story.

    EDIT:
    Heres the free API page for Via Michelin. It states that one of the features is "Car and pedestrian itineraries",
    http://dev.viamichelin.com/wswebsite/gbr/jsp/vmdn/VMDNHomePage.jsp


  • #28
    paulm17781
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,858 ✭✭✭paulm17781


    MiniD wrote: »
    While it's good to launch things early, there is a danger if somebody logs on and finds it missing some key information, they may not return to your site.

    Agree totally. No offense Vinny but the lack of info has put me off going back. Until I hear that it is sorted and positive reviews I would just consider it a waste as the info would make journeys I make longer / impossible. I still think it is a good idea though. :)


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