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  • #102
    AARRRGH
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,382 ✭✭✭✭AARRRGH


    Maybe you don't realise it, but when you say you cannot get quality work in Asia/Eastern Europe, that IS saying they're unskilled / incapable of doing quality work.

    Maybe you don't mean it that way, but I can only interpret what you type here.


  • #103
    AARRRGH
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,382 ✭✭✭✭AARRRGH


    By the way, a lot of the companies who take jobs on scriptlance.com etc., are huge companies.

    A company I currently use (not for websites, but they do have a website department) has a few thousand employees. I've met a few of them, and they're very smart, educated individuals.


  • #104
    The Mighty Ken
    Closed Accounts Posts: 586 ✭✭✭The Mighty Ken


    dublindude wrote: »
    Maybe you don't realise it, but when you say you cannot get quality work in Asia/Eastern Europe, that IS saying they're unskilled / incapable of doing quality work.

    Look, your roundabout assertions here are completely baseless and silly.

    Firstly, I haven't come across anything that I would consider to be of decent professional standard coming out of, say, India. Not because I'm a rabid racist but because I just haven't. As I said, that's my impartial opinion as a professional of over a decade in this industry, not someone who feels even remotely threatened by outsourcing.

    Now please (and I won't ask this again) provide me with a few links to sites in India (or any other cheap country to outsource to) that are producing the same kind of work as Fantasy Interactive, Happy Cog, Poke, etc. and I will happily concede that you're right and offer you my most sincere apologies. If you can't do that, then your argument falls flat on its face. Don't worry, I don't expect an apology.

    Before accusing me of anything again, please PROVE your argument.


  • #105
    AARRRGH
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,382 ✭✭✭✭AARRRGH


    Yeah, there are no skilled designers in Asia or Eastern Europe. I guess with there being only a few billion people living there, we should expect that.

    Listen to yourself.

    I do not believe for one second you would have such a strong opinion on this if you did not own your own design company.


  • #106
    The Mighty Ken
    Closed Accounts Posts: 586 ✭✭✭The Mighty Ken


    dublindude wrote: »
    Yeah, there are no skilled designers in Asia or Eastern Europe. I guess with there being only a few billion people living there, we should expect that.

    Listen to yourself.

    I do not believe for one second you would have such a strong opinion on this if you did not own your own design company.

    Look - I don't own my own design company. I work on the technical end and I outsource all of the design that my company does. I pay a premium for this for what, I believe, is top quality work. I haven't been able to find this in India and other, cheaper countries. I don't know if I need to write this in the sky in fireworks for you tonight but I'm not profiting from expensive designers in Ireland. They're profiting from me.

    Now, I will once again (and for the very last time this time) ask you to show me the URL of a company (or companies) in India, Albania or anywhere else that's cheap to outsource to who are providing world class design and development services at knockdown prices, comparable to the best agencies in, say, Europe or the US. All I'm asking for is proof. I'm not asking you to insinuate that I'm a devil-worshiping racist or to further besmirch my name. I'm just asking you to prove me wrong. Being a Web-based industry, that should be the easiest thing in the world for you to do. Unless, of course, you're wrong.

    One of the reasons that I have such strong opinions about this, is that I happen to know some well respected Irish agencies who outsource work to India and other, cheaper countries and charge Irish rates for it. But that's only one reason and it's a different thread entirely. Another reason is quality, I'm sorry to say.


  • #107
    The Mighty Ken
    Closed Accounts Posts: 586 ✭✭✭The Mighty Ken


    Anyway, stupid argument that's getting stupider.

    This makes for interesting reading, whether you agree with the OP's point or not: http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/showthread.php?t=523429


  • #108
    AARRRGH
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,382 ✭✭✭✭AARRRGH


    If an Irish person looking for a website provides the web design company in the Ukraine or wherever with a sample of the websites he wants his site to look like, or with sketches of what he wants, that's what he'll get.

    If he gets something else, that's his problem if he accepts it.

    This is the same whether the designer is Irish or Indian.
    The Mighty Ken wrote:
    show me the URL of a company (or companies) in India, Albania or anywhere else that's cheap to outsource to who are providing world class design and development services at knockdown prices

    World class design at a knockdown price? The vast majority of companies don't need world class design. They need a nice, functional website. They can get that for $200 (India) or €1500 (Ireland).

    Obviously I don't expect anyone to get a world class design for $200 (India) or €1500 (Ireland).

    I'm talking about normal websites.

    Regarding your challenge, we both know there is no way I can tell if a lovely website was made by developers in Ireland or Albania. (Websites don't have a "Made in Ireland" stamp).


  • #109
    The Mighty Ken
    Closed Accounts Posts: 586 ✭✭✭The Mighty Ken


    dublindude wrote: »
    Regarding your challenge, we both know there is no way I can tell if a lovely website was made by developers in Ireland or Albania. (Websites don't have a "Made in Ireland" stamp).

    I asked you to show me the URL of a Web company in India, Albania or anywhere else cheap that's producing high quality Web work in order to prove your previous assertions.

    Anyway, I don't really care anymore.


  • #110
    ntlbell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,288 ✭✭✭✭ntlbell


    The Mighty Ken wrote: »
    I asked you to show me the URL of a Web company in India, Albania or anywhere else cheap that's producing high quality Web work in order to prove your previous assertions.

    Anyway, I don't really care anymore.

    i dont think i've seen any work by the best developer in ireland, can we see some of his work?


  • #111
    The Mighty Ken
    Closed Accounts Posts: 586 ✭✭✭The Mighty Ken


    ntlbell wrote: »
    i dont think i've seen any work by the best developer in ireland, can we see some of his work?

    Who's the best developer in Ireland??? Don't know what you're on about.


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  • #112
    ntlbell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,288 ✭✭✭✭ntlbell


    The Mighty Ken wrote: »
    Who's the best developer in Ireland??? Don't know what you're on about.

    I thought you said you hired him?


  • #113
    The Mighty Ken
    Closed Accounts Posts: 586 ✭✭✭The Mighty Ken


    ntlbell wrote: »
    I thought you said you hired him?

    Read the thread again, will you. :rolleyes:


  • #114
    ntlbell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,288 ✭✭✭✭ntlbell


    The Mighty Ken wrote: »
    On the other hand, if you want very high-end design then, in my opinion, you can't find it in a lot of these cheaper countries. Believe me, I've tried! My designer costs an absolute fortune. I'm happy to pay it because I think he is head and shoulders above the rest of the crowd. And with all due respect, you can't comment on quality if you don't know the difference.

    Crowd = ?


  • #115
    The Mighty Ken
    Closed Accounts Posts: 586 ✭✭✭The Mighty Ken


    ntlbell wrote: »
    the best developer
    My designer

    I'm a developer myself, I outsource design work. Your confused heckling doesn't even dignify a response. Besides, I hardly think it would be prudent or professional to post up someone else's work (or that of their clients) for public critique in an open forum.

    I think we've brought this thread to a close as it seems to be getting petty and personal with no resolution. I stand by my assertions. PM me if you can prove otherwise.


  • #116
    ntlbell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,288 ✭✭✭✭ntlbell


    The Mighty Ken wrote: »
    I'm a developer myself, I outsource design work. Your confused heckling doesn't even dignify a response. Besides, I hardly think it would be prudent or professional to post up someone else's work (or that of their clients) for public critique in an open forum.

    Heckling? I've asked you a question I didn't insult you.

    I don't understand, your asking the exact same question of someone else?

    He's a web designer surley all his sites that can be accesed via a public network are constantly under critique from eyes all over the world and if he's as good as you say he is surley he would be happy with the publicity?

    :confused::confused:


  • #117
    The Mighty Ken
    Closed Accounts Posts: 586 ✭✭✭The Mighty Ken


    ntlbell wrote: »
    I don't understand, your asking the exact same question of someone else?

    Hardly, I'm asking for an example of a company (any company) based thousands of miles away that produces top class work at knock-down rates. dublindude seems to think they exist - I'd love to know who they are... mainly so I can outsource work to them!!!!! No joy so far though.
    ntlbell wrote: »
    He's a web designer surley all his sites that can be accesed via a public network are constantly under critique from eyes all over the world

    Yes, they can and they are. Posting his work up here strays from the point though. Can someone provide me with a link to a cheap company to oursource to that provides top class work? Please?


  • #118
    ntlbell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,288 ✭✭✭✭ntlbell


    The Mighty Ken wrote: »
    Can someone provide me with a link to a cheap company to oursource to that provides top class work? Please?

    I can and will if you show me some of your designers work.

    Win win for everyone.


  • #119
    The Mighty Ken
    Closed Accounts Posts: 586 ✭✭✭The Mighty Ken


    ntlbell wrote: »
    I can and will if you show me some of your designers work.

    Win win for everyone.

    Not really. I expressed an opinion that someone is head and shoulders above the rest. That's my opinion and I'm entitled to it. I've been told as fact that there are quality Web agencies in far lands that are cheap to outsource to and I want to know who they are. Big difference. I'm asking dublindude to prove his point. I don't have to prove my opinion. Why not prove dublindude's argument for him?


  • #120
    ntlbell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,288 ✭✭✭✭ntlbell


    The Mighty Ken wrote: »
    Not really. I expressed an opinion that someone is head and shoulders above the rest. That's my opinion and I'm entitled to it. I've been told as fact that there are quality Web agencies in far lands that are cheap to outsource to and I want to know who they are. Big difference. I'm asking dublindude to prove his point. I don't have to prove my opinion. Why not prove dublindude's argument for him?


    You want dublindude to provide a link to prove his point.

    I want you to prove you're getting top class design done costing you a fortune.

    I'll show you some top quality deisign done at a "knock down" price....we'll see if it's better than your top class deisign and if it is yo save a lot of money dublindude proves his point and everyones happy

    if not your right and dublindude is wrong and (ghey)

    hows that?


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  • #121
    The Mighty Ken
    Closed Accounts Posts: 586 ✭✭✭The Mighty Ken


    ntlbell wrote: »
    You want dublindude to provide a link to prove his point.

    No, I actually want him to prove his point which will provide me with a good contact for top quality, cheap Web design services. There's a method to my madness. I'm just hoping he can do me a favour more than anything else.
    ntlbell wrote: »
    I want you to prove you're getting top class design done costing you a fortune.

    Why? What good is that to you exactly?
    ntlbell wrote: »
    I'll show you some top quality deisign done at a "knock down" price....we'll see if it's better than your top class deisign and if it is yo save a lot of money dublindude proves his point and everyones happy

    As the potential client/person who's looking to outsource, I'll be the judge. PM me if you don't want to post the link publicly.


  • #122
    aidan_walsh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,208 ✭✭✭✭aidan_walsh


    Enough.


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