Many Irish in the British Army...

krissovo · 15-03-2012 11:07pm

If your a carpenter now steer clear of the army trade of carpenter! You will more than likely only pick up your tools once every year on minor construction projects or make plaques for sergeant majors as you are first a soldier and second a combat engineer. I doubt there are any chippy shops running in the army any more and if they are then I am certainly positive a ex army chippie will be doing the job.

I would suggest you get a new trade, if you went as a chippy you start from the beginning and will waste a year doing stuff you already know. Do a plumbing course or something and then you will still pick up your chippy tools as you have experience but also a secondary trade!

DipStick McSwindler · 16-03-2012 1:21am

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Gingernuts31 · 20-03-2012 8:12pm

Im married with mortgaged house and all in Laois but i've just sent off my application today for either the Para's or RIR. If I do good on the barb test maybe they might be able to suggest something else to me but I want to be on the frontline not in afganastian at base fixing things frontline.

As it stands my wife has lived in Donegal for work and college since last July and I've stayed in Laois. So there is no fear of us crying that we don't see each other but of course we will miss each other really bad sometimes but we are both aware il be based in the UK for life as long as im in the army. If it means we only get to see each other every weekend of every 2nd then so be it. I know its not a proper marriage as some people would see a marriage but you take it as it comes. She might try get work in the UK and come over to me and get rid of house in Laois. Am I making sence in what I say?

Gingernuts31 · 20-03-2012 8:13pm

feeney92 wrote: »

Just to Add To OS's Post, Currently the BA have said that they are planning to withdraw from Afghanistan in 2014, a mate of mine,who only finished training 2 weeks ago has told me that they have started "penciling in tours for 2015 already" so be under no illusion, you more than likely will be deployed there.

Well Feeney hows tricks

You staying put till you finish college?

OS119 · 20-03-2012 9:17pm

Gingernuts31 wrote: »

...Am I making sence in what I say?

you certainly are - at least you understand whats involved. during 'normal' times you'll probably get away with a 'one weekend in two' plan, but in high tempo times like the 4 or 5 months in the run up to a deployment you'll be hard pushed to get any decent weekends in at all. beware of that.

also, don't get into this idea that only the infantry go forward - its crap. there's not a single cap badge, even the AGC, that isn't going to go out on patrol in Helmand province tomorrow...

Gingernuts31 · 20-03-2012 10:07pm

OS119 wrote: »

you certainly are - at least you understand whats involved. during 'normal' times you'll probably get away with a 'one weekend in two' plan, but in high tempo times like the 4 or 5 months in the run up to a deployment you'll be hard pushed to get any decent weekends in at all. beware of that.

also, don't get into this idea that only the infantry go forward - its crap. there's not a single cap badge, even the AGC, that isn't going to go out on patrol in Helmand province tomorrow...

AGC? Army ground crew (air corps)? I know it will be difficult to see my wife at times and il explain it to her if im accepted. She will understand im sure. The fact that we have been living apart for so long now will help alot I think. I know what you mean about anyone going forward. I put my application through online and heard nothing then today I got another one through the post with a BARD test booklet and other paperwork. Sent back the application today but didn't put army air corps on it :mad: which was a role I had on my online application. I mention it to them after the BARB tests and see what they think

. Im saying Army ground crew in the hopes to get into Air crew at some stage

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Gingernuts31 · 20-03-2012 10:14pm

BTW can anyone shed light on the pay rates? It says new entrants 1158 pm then private 1/ 1439, private 3/ 1517 and private 4/ 1648. I know each level is a rank better but how long is a new entrant a new entrant? Also private level 1,3 and 4 are they the phases of training? So you would 1517 after your 6 months basic training cause you would have finished you phase 2 and 3 training?

Donny5 · 20-03-2012 10:26pm

Gingernuts31 wrote: »

AGC?

Adjutant General Corps

Gingernuts31 · 20-03-2012 10:31pm

Donny5 wrote: »

Adjutant General Corps

Grand thanks, have no idea what they do but im guessing they are not usually at the front?

Donny5 · 20-03-2012 10:37pm

Gingernuts31 wrote: »

Grand thanks, have no idea what they do but im guessing they are not usually at the front?

Yeah, they take care of administration, and load of other services support.

Gingernuts31 · 20-03-2012 10:40pm

Donny5 wrote: »

Yeah, they take care of administration, and load of other services support.

Ah right, you couldn't shed any light on the pay rates on page 1 could you?

Donny5 · 20-03-2012 10:48pm

Gingernuts31 wrote: »

Ah right, you couldn't shed any light on the pay rates on page 1 could you?

Sorry, can't help you there.

Gingernuts31 · 20-03-2012 10:49pm

Donny5 wrote: »

Sorry, can't help you there.

No bother cheers.

tac foley · 20-03-2012 11:11pm

Gingernuts31 wrote: »

AGC? Army ground crew (air corps)? I know it will be difficult to see my wife at times and il explain it to her if im accepted. She will understand im sure. The fact that we have been living apart for so long now will help alot I think. I know what you mean about anyone going forward. I put my application through online and heard nothing then today I got another one through the post with a BARD test booklet and other paperwork. Sent back the application today but didn't put army air corps on it :mad: which was a role I had on my online application. I mention it to them after the BARB tests and see what they think . Im saying Army ground crew in the hopes to get into Air crew at some stage .

AGC = Adjutant General's Corps

AAC - Army Air Corps

One or the other - you can't do both.

tac

Gingernuts31 · 20-03-2012 11:32pm

tac foley wrote: »

AGC = Adjutant General's Corps

AAC - Army Air Corps

One or the other - you can't do both.

tac

No don't want to be in AGC thats for sure. Either Paras, RIR or AAC. The AAC would be great because I love aircraft, even just being around it gives me a buzz.

tac foley · 21-03-2012 6:36pm

You love aircraft, and you want to be around helicopters?

A REAL aircraft has wings, and given enough speed, WANTS to fly.

A helicopter is a triumph of technology over common sense, and without that engine screaming its head off and turning the whirly thing on top of the fuselage, sure as hell doesn't want to fly anywhere.

In a REAL airplane, stop the engine, and it will fly, albeit downwards, at a nice safe angle....the glide angle.

In a helicopter, stop the engine and will tend to fly vertically downwards, with a very slight angle from the still-rotating rotor - IF you still have a rotor, that is. Without it, a helicopter flies like a cross-channel ferryboat. Without the teeny one at the back, it will rotate itself into a messy oblivion in a very few seconds. :O

If it's airplanes you want to hang around - go join the RAF. ;=)

tac

OS119 · 21-03-2012 9:25pm

tac foley wrote: »

If it's effeminate, ill-mannered men in grey slip-ons you want to hang around - go join the RAF. ;=)...

FYP.

tac foley · 21-03-2012 11:27pm

OS119 wrote: »

FYP.

In WW1 Micky Mannock would have argued that point with you, as would the other thirty-seven of the Royal Flying Corps’ top ‘fighter aces’ who were Irish.

In WW2 Paddy Finucane would have taken that unkindly.

tac

cruasder777 · 21-03-2012 11:47pm

Gingernuts31 wrote: »

No don't want to be in AGC thats for sure. Either Paras, RIR or AAC. The AAC would be great because I love aircraft, even just being around it gives me a buzz.

Check out the RAF regiment then, they are considered along with the Paras and the RMs as one of the elite 3.

Training is alot harder then normal infantry, the also have a Para unit, in the 80s in British army comps they used to often come second to the Paras in various events.

Their standards are alot higher then ordinary infantry, they also supply the special forces support group along with the Paras and RMs.

In Afghanistan they also do long and short range desert patrols, in a bde recon force role.

"The RAF Regiment is a specialist infantry unit which protects the RAF, its aircraft and bases.

A tough force trained to the peak of physical fitness and endurance, they parachute into enemy territory, secure airfields and are amongst the first forces into battle."

Read More http://www.birminghammail.net/news/birmingham-news/2008/08/28/chance-to-discover-little-known-raf-regiment-97319-21626177/#ixzz1phV7LXt3

Heres the week by week training scheduled.

As you can see, its alot more demanding then that done by standard infantry, if you train as a jtec you can serve in army units calling in air strikes on the ground when out on patrol etc. If you want to serve in their Para unit, you do the RAF version of P company, this is the version non Para SAS candidates did in the past.

http://www.raf.mod.uk/careers/jobs/gunners_training.cfm

But you better like drill, their drill is of the highest standard in the UK armed forces even beyond that of the Guards.

cruasder777 · 22-03-2012 12:14am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKpnLGv82jc&feature=related

OS119 · 22-03-2012 11:42am

cruasder777 wrote: »

...Check out the RAF regiment then, they are considered along with the Paras and the RMs as one of the elite 3....

and so he blows his cover.

RAF Regiment, 'big 3' my fcuking hoop. known to everyone in Afghanistan - rather derisively - as the 'Short Range Desert Group'. they have a role, and they do it well - unfortunately they (or more accurately, the sad fcukkers who make up their fan club) destroy the credibility they gain by making laughable, ridiculous claims about them being 'big 3' with PARA and RM. they are not.

they do not form the BRF. they do not undertake deep, long range patrols beyond the FEBA. they do drive around Bastion and Kanahar in WMIKS with 'tour beards' and filthy shamaghs - even though they live on base and have access to a daily shower - and they try very, very hard to look like a certain WW2 unit that had beards and drove around the desert in machine-gun festooned Jeeps. an activity considered deeply, deeply pathetic by everyone else at Bastion and Kandahar - especially the rest of the grey slip-on wearing RAF.

by all means consider a career in the RAF Regiment, but don't do so believing all this rubbish, because you'll be sorely disapointed.

tac foley · 22-03-2012 12:20pm

'Become a legend in your own imagination - and join the RAF Regiment!'

That aside - you just have to admit that any organisation that uses 98% of its manpower to permit the other 2% to play airplanes and drop bombs and play with the most expensive computer simulation games on earth - effectively sending the rodneys off to do the unpleasant fight-y stuff and 'quitting the surly bonds of earth', can't be THAT daft.

However, apart from the general mongness/wah of the RAF Regiment - held in general lack of awe by even the Adjustant General's Corps, there is another branch of the RAF held in even less regard.

The Royal Air Force Police.

In general, it has to be admitted that the Royal Air Force Police are brave, nay, almost fearless, utterly loyal and faithful unto death, and both imaginative and innovative at their job - as has been shown many times over the years.

It's the humans on the other end of their leash that are the problem for most folks.

tac

cruasder777 · 22-03-2012 12:32pm

OS119 wrote: »

and so he blows his cover.

RAF Regiment, 'big 3' my fcuking hoop. known to everyone in Afghanistan - rather derisively - as the 'Short Range Desert Group'. they have a role, and they do it well - unfortunately they (or more accurately, the sad fcukkers who make up their fan club) destroy the credibility they gain by making laughable, ridiculous claims about them being 'big 3' with PARA and RM. they are not.

they do not form the BRF. they do not undertake deep, long range patrols beyond the FEBA. they do drive around Bastion and Kanahar in WMIKS with 'tour beards' and filthy shamaghs - even though they live on base and have access to a daily shower - and they try very, very hard to look like a certain WW2 unit that had beards and drove around the desert in machine-gun festooned Jeeps. an activity considered deeply, deeply pathetic by everyone else at Bastion and Kandahar - especially the rest of the grey slip-on wearing RAF.

by all means consider a career in the RAF Regiment, but don't do so believing all this rubbish, because you'll be sorely disapointed.

So tell me why RAF reg are allowed to serve in the Special Forces support group then? If so crap ?

What you are typing is absolute nonsense, the RAF regiment have a far more diverse role then army infantry. The RAF reg sniper team recently came first at Bisley.

http://www.raf.mod.uk/newsweather/index.cfm?storyid=5B9B5C07-1143-EC82-2E153B171A334FC4

Flying with RAF Merlin and Lynx crews, the heavily armed heli-snipers can be mobilised at short notice to locate and eliminate enemy positions, reducing the threat to Army ground troops and medical units on the ground.

So far the heli-snipers have been deployed to give force protection for Lynx immediate response teams, scrambled to evacuate casualties, fire support for deliberate operations, rapid route clearance for convoys, and to counter the threat from militia preparing crude explosive devices.

Using IRT for the role gives the heli-snipers the ability to respond quickly. Travelling by air also gives them an improved field of vision, allowing them to relay vital surveillance to commanders on the ground
Each field squadron within the RAF Regiment has a section of sniper-qualified riflemen who provide the surveillance and target acquisition capability for the squadron.

.......The RAF reg is the ideal unit for the previous poster. The RAF reg are responsible for an area of 400sq km around Bastion and Kandahar.

Gingernuts31 · 22-03-2012 1:08pm

One thing has caught my eye about the RAF. I know you have to be fit for Gunner and all but why is the fitness test not as difficult as the army fitness test. You need to do 50 press ups in 2 mins and 50 sit ups in 2 mins 1.5 mile run in 12.45 for regular infantry and 9.40 for para's. You only need to do 20 push ups and 30 sit ups for RAF Gunner, and run the 1.5 mile in 10.30. Why such a big difference? As it stands now I can do the RAF fitness test but struggling a bit with the Paras. If the fitness is so tough why is it not as difficult for entry to RIR or Para's? Not talking you down just wondering like.

OS119 · 22-03-2012 1:32pm

cruasder777 wrote: »

...So tell me why RAF reg are allowed to serve in the Special Forces support group then? If so crap ?...

theres REME in the SFSG, theres RA in the SFSG, theres the fecking pet corps in the SFSG - theres even a need for 'Combat HR' (i kid you not...) in the SFSG. i'm not surprised theres RAF Regiment in the SFSG - after all, even 'they' have barriers to man...

change your knickers and dry your eyes - the RAF Regiment are not supermen, they are specialised (?) light role infantry than can do a decent job but are let down by their walty image/persona that they create/allow to make up for the fact that an awful lot of what they do is teach techies how to use a gas mask for two days a year.

it could be decent job - decent housing, the '9-5' is pretty easy, those WRAF's who aren't lesbians will think you're well impressive, in expeditionary wafare the role can be quite interesting with quite a bit of travel and the RAF ensures you get decent kit - but thats not enough, the saddo's have to spoil it with this 'big 3' crap and proceed to make themselves a laughing stock.

Gingernuts31 · 22-03-2012 2:26pm

RAF is out for me anyway. You can be an Irish citizen to join but you must have been living in the uk for no less than 3 years. If its been less than 3 years there is other criteria. I have never lived in the UK so thats that career gone anyway. Ah well Hopefully il get initial interview and BARB tests within next few weeks all going well

. I did my 50 push-ups today for the 1st time, I believe you can stop to take a breather but you must either stop with arms strectched out and knees not touching the ground or you lay flat on your stomach. You can kneel up for the breather is that right?

cruasder777 · 22-03-2012 2:35pm

Gingernuts31 wrote: »

RAF is out for me anyway. You can be an Irish citizen to join but you must have been living in the uk for no less than 3 years. If its been less than 3 years there is other criteria. I have never lived in the UK so thats that career gone anyway. Ah well Hopefully il get initial interview and BARB tests within next few weeks all going well . I did my 50 push-ups today for the 1st time, I believe you can stop to take a breather but you must either stop with arms strectched out and knees not touching the ground or you lay flat on your stomach. You can kneel up for the breather is that right?

You can join the RAF regiment if a citizen of the Irish republic.

Dont join the Royal Irish, you will find yourself in a support role for the Paras, in Afghanistan training the national army that kind of stuff, while they are off getting the glory.

Heres a good video on the role of the RAF regiment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x68QxBUiIAw&feature=player_embedded

"world leaders in air minded soldiering"

cruasder777 · 22-03-2012 2:37pm

OS119 wrote: »

theres REME in the SFSG, theres RA in the SFSG, theres the fecking pet corps in the SFSG - theres even a need for 'Combat HR' (i kid you not...) in the SFSG. i'm not surprised theres RAF Regiment in the SFSG - after all, even 'they' have barriers to man...

change your knickers and dry your eyes - the RAF Regiment are not supermen, they are specialised (?) light role infantry than can do a decent job but are let down by their walty image/persona that they create/allow to make up for the fact that an awful lot of what they do is teach techies how to use a gas mask for two days a year.

it could be decent job - decent housing, the '9-5' is pretty easy, those WRAF's who aren't lesbians will think you're well impressive, in expeditionary wafare the role can be quite interesting with quite a bit of travel and the RAF ensures you get decent kit - but thats not enough, the saddo's have to spoil it with this 'big 3' crap and proceed to make themselves a laughing stock.

The RAF Reg role in the SFSG is as Jtac's(air strike co-ordinators, heli snipers, that kind of stuff). Certainly not holding up barriers.

The RAF regiment role is alot more intresting then army infantry. Every thing from combat search and rescue to joing their Para unit or sniper units to being a fwd air controller.

27 Sqn makes up a large part of the UKs biological, chemical and nuclear regiment.
http://www.eliteukforces.info/raf-regiment/

No one said they were superman, but the army claims about them are bs.

For a start you have to score more highly on the barb test to become a recruit and basic training is alot more demanding.

Gingernuts31 · 22-03-2012 2:45pm

cruasder777 wrote: »

You can join the RAF regiment if a citizen of the Irish republic.

Dont join the Royal Irish, you will find yourself in a support role for the Paras, in Afghanistan training the national army that kind of stuff, while they are off getting the glory.

http://www.raf.mod.uk/careers/canijoin/nationalityandresidency.cfm

You cann apply if you are an Irish Citizen yes but don't see anything here about being able to apply if you live in the ROI?

cruasder777 · 22-03-2012 2:56pm

Gingernuts31 wrote: »

http://www.raf.mod.uk/careers/canijoin/nationalityandresidency.cfm

You cann apply if you are an Irish Citizen yes but don't see anything here about being able to apply if you live in the ROI?

The best thing you can do is e mail or call them to clarify.

discus · 22-03-2012 3:15pm

cruasder777 wrote: »

The RAF Reg role in the SFSG is as Jtac's(air strike co-ordinators, heli snipers, that kind of stuff). Certainly not holding up barriers.

The RAF regiment role is alot more intresting then army infantry. Every thing from combat search and rescue to joing their Para unit or sniper units to being a fwd air controller.

27 Sqn makes up a large part of the UKs biological, chemical and nuclear regiment.
http://www.eliteukforces.info/raf-regiment/

No one said they were superman, but the army claims about them are bs.

For a start you have to score more highly on the barb test to become a recruit and basic training is alot more demanding.

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

The RAF reg donate frig all to the SFSG, and whatever it is, it isn't JTAC or 'heli-sniper'. The only heli snipers I've met have been Royal Marines, you know, actual combat soldiers.

Basic training for the RAF Reg is ****ing dogshit. I've met guys who've passed out recently, and they were embarrassed when I couldn't shake hands cause of frostbite from a 5 day ex. Their only ex in basic was a 1 nighter and it was spent in a hanger - this was in october ffs. They admitted that their fitness wasn't up to scratch but we all agreed that that was due to the more demanding army service requiring blokes to be better physically.

Someone put it right in an earlier post - the CBRN annuals cover most of the work that 27 deliver. Then they act hard-as-****ing-nails by talking about their 90 mile stretcher carry in full IPE and respirator in front of the females on the course, in the hope of getting their dicks wet.

but thats not enough, the saddo's have to spoil it with this 'big 3' crap and proceed to make themselves a laughing stock.

Yeah, it's utterly embarrassing. Look at the amount of guys in Afghan doing foot patrol, risking limbs and life, whilst the conker-balls of RAF Regt take pictures of themselves in ridiculous webbing laodouts for their facebook page under a sanger in Bastion. Empty vessels and all that.

tac foley · 22-03-2012 3:18pm

Gingernuts31 wrote: »

One thing has caught my eye about the RAF. I know you have to be fit for Gunner and all but why is the fitness test not as difficult as the army fitness test. You need to do 50 press ups in 2 mins and 50 sit ups in 2 mins 1.5 mile run in 12.45 for regular infantry and 9.40 for para's. You only need to do 20 push ups and 30 sit ups for RAF Gunner, and run the 1.5 mile in 10.30. Why such a big difference? As it stands now I can do the RAF fitness test but struggling a bit with the Paras. If the fitness is so tough why is it not as difficult for entry to RIR or Para's? Not talking you down just wondering like.

The RAF Regiment is rightly famed for its ability to cause HUGE piles of tortoises [NAAFI steak and kidney pies] to vanish within seconds of the crew-room doors being opened - a bit like the January sales at Harrods, but with uniforms on.

Hence the need to be [at first] remarkably fit to fend off your fellow Gunners and some of the ordinary British Toms.

We've all heard of the unofficial motto of the RAF Regiment 'Death from the Pies!'

tac

Lemming · 22-03-2012 3:41pm

Gingernuts31 wrote: »

9.40 for para's

OT I know, but is it not 9:18 minimum to qualify for the paras?

cruasder777 · 22-03-2012 4:01pm

discus wrote: »

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

The RAF reg donate frig all to the SFSG, and whatever it is, it isn't JTAC or 'heli-sniper'. The only heli snipers I've met have been Royal Marines, you know, actual combat soldiers.

Basic training for the RAF Reg is ****ing dogshit. I've met guys who've passed out recently, and they were embarrassed when I couldn't shake hands cause of frostbite from a 5 day ex. Their only ex in basic was a 1 nighter and it was spent in a hanger - this was in october ffs. They admitted that their fitness wasn't up to scratch but we all agreed that that was due to the more demanding army service requiring blokes to be better physically.

Someone put it right in an earlier post - the CBRN annuals cover most of the work that 27 deliver. Then they act hard-as-****ing-nails by talking about their 90 mile stretcher carry in full IPE and respirator in front of the females on the course, in the hope of getting their dicks wet.

Yeah, it's utterly embarrassing. Look at the amount of guys in Afghan doing foot patrol, risking limbs and life, whilst the conker-balls of RAF Regt take pictures of themselves in ridiculous webbing laodouts for their facebook page under a sanger in Bastion. Empty vessels and all that.

The RAF regiment have lost airmen in Afghanistan, only a walt or craphat would try to take the p.... about them not seeing combat, thats more bs.

Is this not a foot patrol ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCUgDi3u3Qw

So the RAF are lying then about heli snipers ? The RAF reg have the best sniper units in UKs armed forces. Which was proven this yr by them winning at Bisley.

"
Flying with RAF Merlin and Lynx crews, the heavily armed heli-snipers can be mobilised at short notice to locate and eliminate enemy positions, reducing the threat to Army ground troops and medical units on the ground."

http://www.raf.mod.uk/newsweather/index.cfm?storyid=5B9B5C07-1143-EC82-2E153B171A334FC4

Basic training in the RAF reg is far more demanding than that of army infantry especially for those who do the RAFs version of P coy.

As for not serving in the SFSG.

.......you clearly dont know what you are on about. Around 50 members of the SFSG are from the RAF regiment.

cruasder777 · 22-03-2012 4:11pm

Lemming wrote: »

OT I know, but is it not 9:18 minimum to qualify for the paras?

Depends how subscribed they are, at the moment its around 9.18, which is done straight after a three mile run.

The RAF regiment pre recruit fitness tests( Potential Gunner Acquaintance Course)consists of a shuttle run or beep test for about 10 minutes, followed by at least 10 press-ups, 25 sit-ups, and a 50-metre swim using any stroke folllowed by a three mile run that you need to complete in less than 24 minutes and gym tests. Its done over 2 days, theres alot of other stuff as well.

Alot more demanding then the army infantry one

RAF Regiments "p coy"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKRtNyg4Yp0&feature=related

cruasder777 · 22-03-2012 4:28pm

Gingernuts31 wrote: »

One thing has caught my eye about the RAF. I know you have to be fit for Gunner and all but why is the fitness test not as difficult as the army fitness test. You need to do 50 press ups in 2 mins and 50 sit ups in 2 mins 1.5 mile run in 12.45 for regular infantry and 9.40 for para's. You only need to do 20 push ups and 30 sit ups for RAF Gunner, and run the 1.5 mile in 10.30. Why such a big difference? As it stands now I can do the RAF fitness test but struggling a bit with the Paras. If the fitness is so tough why is it not as difficult for entry to RIR or Para's? Not talking you down just wondering like.

You are mixing up the RAF one with the RAF regiment pre recruit fitness tests.For the RAF Reg Paras its the same fitness requirements as the Parachute regiment.You also have to pass the Potential Gunner Acquaintance Course.

To do the Paras one you will need to put in 4 months of running and the gym 5 x a week(30-40mins running a day). Running morning, gym evening(circuits). Its a very high level of fitness. If you try and do it running 3 x a week and the gym 2 x a week.....you will fail. During basic training you are expect to keep improving your times, no matter how good you are.

I do the Paras 10 ever yr, I do it in 2hrs 10, In my 20s I could do it in 1 hr 40, recruits have to do it in 1.hr 50 , an 11 min pace with lots of hills and 35lbs on your back and a weapon takes a very high level of fitness. Theres also the 20 miler up Pen y Fan in 4hrs 30 and all the other stuff to do.

cruasder777 · 22-03-2012 5:03pm

RAF Regiment public order training.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gP7Jdf-Hkmg

discus · 22-03-2012 5:19pm

cruasder777 wrote: »

The RAF regiment have lost airmen in Afghanistan, only a walt or craphat would try to take the p.... about them not seeing combat, thats more bs.

.......you clearly dont know what you are on about. Around 50 members of the SFSG are from the RAF regiment.

Ugh, craphat? Show me the maroon, and I'll let you call me that.

...meanwhile, at RAF regiment basic training

Gingernuts31 · 22-03-2012 5:25pm

Lemming wrote: »

OT I know, but is it not 9:18 minimum to qualify for the paras?

Yes I didn't know there was a min only a max but its between 9.18 and 9.40. Im sure if you are like the roadrunner and got it done in under 9.18 they would be happy with that

. I can't seem to get under 10.13

. I know I need to sprint but im just too wrecked from it. Maybe I need to jog every eve and night and build up my speed and stamina.

http://www.army.mod.uk/infantry/regiments/noindex/24313.aspx

Am I right in saying a 4 mile run (no time limit) 50 press-ups, 50 sit-ups, 10 pull ups, each in no less than 2 mins? Is there a 4 mile run plus the 1.5 mile timed?:eek:

cruasder777 · 22-03-2012 5:29pm

Gingernuts31 wrote: »

Yes I didn't know there was a min only a max but its between 9.18 and 9.40. Im sure if you are like the roadrunner and got it done in under 9.18 they would be happy with that . I can't seem to get under 10.13 . I know I need to sprint but im just too wrecked from it. Maybe I need to jog every eve and night and build up my speed and stamina.

http://www.army.mod.uk/infantry/regiments/noindex/24313.aspx

Am I right in saying a 4 mile run (no time limit) 50 press-ups, 50 sit-ups, 10 pull ups, each in no less than 2 mins? Is there a 4 mile run plus the 1.5 mile timed?:eek:

Do intervals for a month, find a football pitch do one lap slow, sprint one lap, one lap slow, sprint a lap for 12 laps, you will be hitting 9.30 in a month, if you are doing 10.13 now.

You do a 3/4 mile squadded run at a medium pace before the 1.5 mile timed run. Which you do as a group, thus its a competive race in effect.

If you are less then 12.5 stone, run/train as suggest in previous post for 4 months, also throw in interval runs once a week, you should not have a problem with this.

...Another great way to get seriously fit for those who find running every day boring is, get a punchbag, go flat ot for 3 mins, then press ups for 90 seconds, flat out on bag for 3 mins,then sit ups 90 secounds, flat out on bag for 3 minutes, then squats for 90 secounds, flat out on bag for 3 mins, pull ups for 90 seconds. etc, etc

.....If you hate running, alternate it with the above, work towards 9 x 3 min rounds plus 90 second circuits.

Your fitness will go through the roof.

3 minutes skipping, then 90 seconds of press ups etc etc is also good. Alternate training, as running can get very boring.

Gingernuts31 · 22-03-2012 5:50pm

cruasder777 wrote: »

Do intervals for a month, find a football pitch do one lap slow, sprint one lap, one lap slow, sprint a lap for 12 laps, you will be hitting 9.30 in a month, if you are doing 10.13 now.

You do a 3/4 mile squadded run at a medium pace before the 1.5 mile timed run. Which you do as a group, thus its a competive race in effect.

If you are less then 12.5 stone, run/train as suggest in previous post for 4 months, also throw in interval runs once a week, you should not have a problem with this.

...Another great way to get seriously fit for those who find running every day boring, get a punchbag, go flat ot for 3 mins, press ups for 90 seconds, flat out on bag for 3 mins, sit ups 90 secounds, flat out on bag for 3 minutes, squats for 90 secounds, flat out on bag for 3 mins, pull ups for 90 seconds.

.....If you hate running, alternate it with the above, work towards 9 x 3 min rounds plus 90 second circuits.

Your fitness will go through the roof.

I don't mind the running so much once I have music to listen too

. I don't really have anywhere to jog or run except on the main N7 or there is a GAA pitch at the back of me but its not the most even of ground

. Can you lay it out for me on the table. At the moment I jog every day, no sprinting, for min 1.5 miles, then come home and do various sit-ups for 30 secs at a time. Then do push ups, can get 15 but heading to 20 I really start to struggle without having to stop. I also do pull-ups maybe 3 sets of 8. I'll also do chair dips or else il use 2 chairs for the dips.

In you opinion how much further do I need to go to reach Para fitness? I do get out of breath jogging thats prob why I can't sprint. I can't go to the gym for 2 reasons. 1st is I can't afford it, 2nd is I have to cycle 14 k to get to it then workout then cycle 14k back home then go to work.

Advise please?

discus · 22-03-2012 6:03pm

No need to run morning and evening, and there's nothing to be gained by giving it 100% each time. You need to rest and recover to improve.

In you opinion how much further do I need to go to reach Para fitness? I do get out of breath jogging thats prob why I can't sprint. I can't go to the gym for 2 reasons. 1st is I can't afford it, 2nd is I have to cycle 14 k to get to it then workout then cycle 14k back home then go to work.

You're miles off, but you can get there.

First off, try running longer distances. Running 1.5 miles is not enough. Secondly, you should be clearing 50 press ups easily. I've mentioned taking days off, and I've mentioned not going 100% all the time. Insteat of doing 15/16 push ups and failing, try doing 5 sets of 7, then a week later try 5 sets of 8, and onwards like that, and then maybe after 3 weeks try see how many you can do in 2 minutes. Same applies to sit ups.

Also, do what cruasder777 said regarding the punchbags, and sprints. Everything helps at this stage.

cruasder777 · 22-03-2012 6:06pm

Gingernuts31 wrote: »

I don't mind the running so much once I have music to listen too . I don't really have anywhere to jog or run except on the main N7 or there is a GAA pitch at the back of me but its not the most even of ground . Can you lay it out for me on the table. At the moment I jog every day, no sprinting, for min 1.5 miles, then come home and do various sit-ups for 30 secs at a time. Then do push ups, can get 15 but heading to 20 I really start to struggle without having to stop. I also do pull-ups maybe 3 sets of 8. I'll also do chair dips or else il use 2 chairs for the dips.

In you opinion how much further do I need to go to reach Para fitness? I do get out of breath jogging thats prob why I can't sprint. I can't go to the gym for 2 reasons. 1st is I can't afford it, 2nd is I have to cycle 14 k to get to it then workout then cycle 14k back home then go to work.

Advise please?

If you do press ups 2 or 3x a day you should be hitting 40 in a month easily. Buy a pull up bar as well. Practice every day.

When you run, twice a week sprint at least for two minutes x 4 during the run. Jog slowly to recover, dont stop, it has a much more dramatic effect then just jogging at the same pace.

If you are doing 10.13 now, if you run 5 x a week and put in sprints 1 or 2 x a week you should be hitting 9.30 in a month, easilly.

But its not just about that, it sounds like you need to work on the psychological side of things as well, ie being able to keep going when there is nothing in the tank and not complaining, take up a sport like kick boxing and you develop this attitude, you need to develop inner resolve, when its raining and dark and you have a bergen digging into your back and you are cold, hungry you need to be able to dig deep.

If not your mind will talk you into quitting.

Gingernuts31 · 22-03-2012 6:13pm

cruasder777 wrote: »

If you do press ups 2 or 3 a day you should be hitting 40 in a month easily. Buy a pull up bar as well. Practice every day.

When you run, twice a week sprint at least for two minutes x 4 during the run. Jog slowly to recover, dont stop, it has a much more dramatic effect then just jogging at the same pace.

If you are doing 10.13 now, if you run 5 x a week and put in sprints 1 or 2 x a week you should be hitting 9.30 in a month, easilly.

But its not just about that, it sounds like you need to work on the psychological side of things as well, ie being able to keep going when there is nothing in the tank and not complaining, take up a sport like kick boxing and you develop this attitude, you need to develop inner resolve, when its raining and dark and you have a bergen digging into your back and you are cold, hungry you need to be able to dig deep.

If not your mind will talk you into quitting.

Thanks for the advice Discus and Cruasder, Il give it a go and see how I get on. Not sure when or if Il get called for inital interview and BARB but im just trying to get prepared now in case I do get to fitness assesment sooner more so than Later. Il go for a run in the morning and see how I get on. I have Whey Isolate here and I'l have some pasta early before going,. I find even if I have water imed before going out it puts me out of breath alot sooner than if I went out on empty. Cheers guys

tac foley · 22-03-2012 6:43pm

The thing to remember is that whatever we say about each other,

a. we can say it because either we are there.

OR

b. we've been there and come back.

Civilians are NOT allowed to make disparaging remarks about the Armed Forces, or of any part of it, regardless of the opinions of those who post here from a position of either a. or b.

Those of us in the 'club' may one day find ourselves fighting alongside, suffering and maybe dying beside or in the company of those that we are happy to take the p!ss out of today.

Regardless of hat badge or the colour of the beret that it's on - they ARE are our brothers.

And as we all know, you can take the p!ss out of your brothers as much as you like.

tac

discus · 22-03-2012 7:03pm

All very true Tac. It's banter now, but I imagine that Telic and Herrick are the reason why the 3 forces are less at odds at the enlisted level. As soon as afghan is over, it'll be back to beating the **** out of each other all over Wiltshire/Portsmouth/Wherever...

That is, when pubs and clubs start serving squaddies again in Wiltshire :mad:

Many Irish in the British Army...

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