Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13

Mitch Connor · 22-10-2012 5:34pm

homerjay2005 wrote: »

id like to see us win the game and just get the group sorted. allows us to maybe relax then and not have to send any of our first 16 players to Turkey.

resting Rio should not happen tomorrow, i dont have as much in our defending right now with Wooton there instead of him.

heading over again tomorrow evening, late flight after work, second trip in 4 days!

yeah - with Smalling out, Jones out and Vidic out - resting Rio isn't an option I like being taken. I can understand it - we do need to protect him, but it will likely play havoc with us, and Braga are not a bad side.

We're looking at a defence of either:

Rafael-Wooton-Evans-Buttner
or
Rafael-Carrick-Evans-Buttner.

Both have defensive inexperience - and the second one would have a big impact on midfield.

De Gea
Rafael-Evans-Carrick-Buttner

Nani-Anderson-Cleverley-Young

Kagawa

Hernandez.

Rooney, Welbeck, RVP, Scholes, Valencia, Rio rested with Chelsea in mind?

The_Kew_Tour · 22-10-2012 5:40pm

Want nothing less then 3 points tomorrow.

Want to have this group done and dusted asap.

Nemanja91 · 22-10-2012 6:30pm

Would like to see

De Gea

Rafael Wooton Evans Buttner

Anderson Cleverley

Nani Young
Kagawa

Hernandez

Possibly carrick for wooton

Eathrin · 22-10-2012 7:05pm

Do people really think Wooton will play?
I'd imagine Fergie will stick Carrick there, though I don't agree with it. Promising youth players should be given the chance, especially during an injury crisis.

Thatsfootball · 22-10-2012 8:15pm

Nemanja91 wrote: »

Would like to see

De Gea

Rafael Wooton Evans Buttner

Anderson Cleverley

Nani Young
Kagawa

Hernandez

Possibly carrick for wooton

I'd imagine we see Giggs playing tbh.
Probably along the lines of;
De Gea
Raf Wooton Evans Buttner
Nani Giggs Anderson Young
Clevs/Kag
Hernandez

Possibly Welbeck given a run too or Giggs in the CAM role

niallo27 · 22-10-2012 8:27pm

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Funny enough on my break today I was watching ESPN and they were showing replay of Everton v Liverpool from 07/08 season and he was ref.

Loads of controversy in which Liverpool got everything and Kuyt made one of worst challenges I have seen only to get yellow.

I was thinking if it had been United who got those decisions we would have Clattenburg in Man Utd tops and all sorts.

I think Clanttenburg is OK. Although he usually has one mare of game per season. Like you say better then the 2 you mentioned.

It was one of the worst challenges you have ever seen yet he didn't even connect with anyone or get near anyone, slight overreaction on your part maybe.

Mikeyt086 · 22-10-2012 8:27pm

I would not have put United in my accumulator for tomorrow if I had known we're resting Rio. Very worrying indeed as Braga will almost definitely score. Just gonna have to hope the forwards bail us out as usual.

niallo27 wrote: »

It was one of the worst challenges you have ever seen yet he didn't even connect with anyone or get near anyone, slight overreaction on your part maybe.

I remember that challenge. Had Kuyt made contact it would have been the equivalent of being hit by a car. It was a totally wreckless challenge. And absolutely hilarious that you felt the need to defend a challenge made by a player that no longer plays for the club you support almost 4 years after it happened.

The_Kew_Tour · 22-10-2012 8:34pm

niallo27 wrote: »

It was one of the worst challenges you have ever seen yet he didn't even connect with anyone or get near anyone, slight overreaction on your part maybe.

It would of made Roy Keane tackle on Haaland look like little nudge on back if he had made contact.

Shocking statement that you can defend that.

niallo27 · 22-10-2012 8:36pm

Mikeyt086 wrote: »

I would not have put United in my accumulator for tomorrow if I had known we're resting Rio. Very worrying indeed as Braga will almost definitely score. Just gonna have to hope the forwards bail us out as usual.

I remember that challenge. Had Kuyt made contact it would have been the equivalent of being hit by a car. It was a totally wreckless challenge. And absolutely hilarious that you felt the need to defend a challenge made by a player that no longer plays for the club you support almost 4 years after it happened.

It was wreckless yes but he didn't make contact so how could he say it was one of the worst challenges he has ever seen. I don't know are you taking the piss with been hit by a car thing.

niallo27 · 22-10-2012 8:38pm

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

It would of made Roy Keane tackle on Haaland look like little nudge on back if he had made contact.

Shocking statement that you can defend that.

I'm not defending it, I just don't how anyone can say it was one of the worst challenges they have ever seen when there was no contact.

The_Kew_Tour · 22-10-2012 8:47pm

niallo27 wrote: »

I'm not defending it, I just don't how anyone can say it was one of the worst challenges they have ever seen when there was no contact.

It was a challenge contact or nor contact to do damage to player. Just cause the Everton player got out of the way does not make it a non challenge.

Anyway sorry for dragging it off topic here. My reference to Clattenburg was what I referred to first.

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killwill · 22-10-2012 8:56pm

Nemanja91 wrote: »

Would like to see

De Gea

Rafael Wooton Evans Buttner

Anderson Cleverley

Nani Young
Kagawa

Hernandez

Possibly carrick for wooton

My biggest issue with that is the serious lack of a leader on the pitch if things are not going our way.

Blatter · 22-10-2012 9:01pm

de Gea

Rafael

Carrick

Evans

Buttner

Anderson

Cleverley

Kagawa

Rooney

Hernandez---van Persie

Can see something like that tomorrow night.

Jimmy Iovine · 22-10-2012 9:02pm

I was helping a young lad in school today. He was flicking through a book about the World Cup, and I was asking him a few questions here and there. Anyway it came to the 1958 World Cup section and there was a picture of the Brazilian team. I pointed at Pélé and asked him who he was, thinking that he might know.

He said Welbeck

.

To be fair he was only 7. Kids are great.

I was helping out at an after-school club last year and I asked another 7-year old how much he thought United could buy Messi for. He said £6.5 million. That was the highest number he could think of :P.

If only both of the above statements were true.

This is the picture of Pélé/Welbeck. They kinda have the same hair cut. Pélé was obviously way ahead of his time in the fashion stakes.

Nalz · 23-10-2012 12:27am

Nemanja91 wrote: »

Would like to see

De Gea

Rafael Wooton Evans Buttner

Anderson Cleverley

Nani Young
Kagawa

Hernandez

Possibly carrick for wooton

I think this will be the team also

Nemanja91 · 23-10-2012 1:07am

If its all going to plan I'd like to see Powell get a run out.

Paul Tergat · 23-10-2012 7:56am

Whats the overall consensus re: resting players in Europe before we are through again this season. Last season it didnt go down well. Given the weekends fixture im happy with it (plus we have made a much better start in the first 2 matches)

markc1184 · 23-10-2012 9:24am

Did SAF not say he wouldn't be making the same mistakes again this season RE: chopping and changing. I don't think there will be too many changes from what he has mentioned.
I'd have no problem seeing Wooton going in CB.

RVD420 · 23-10-2012 10:03am

The Fail and The Telegraph are reporting Real could be in for "homesick" De Gea. Apparently Mourinho and Real are in cahoots with DDG's agent Jorge Mendes to tempt him back to Spain. Casillas has apparently said that he views DDG as his long term replacement.

This would be a disaster for United imo. Despite his early blunders, DDG is arguably the best young keeper around, and could/should be United's No.1 for 10 years or more. SAF juggling the keepers doesn't help matters either....

Giggsy11 · 23-10-2012 10:09am

Casillas is just 31, which is not old for a GK. He can play for at least 4-5 seasons, not sure De Gea will be happy warming bench for that many seasons and Madrid don't even rotate GKs.

Mikeyt086 · 23-10-2012 12:03pm

De Gea played for, came through the youth system of, and still supports Atlectico. Would be very strange for him to want to play for Real. They generally don't do that.

Blatter · 23-10-2012 12:05pm

Mikeyt086 wrote: »

De Gea played for, came through the youth system of, and still supports Atlectico. Would be very strange for him to want to play for Real. They generally don't do that.

It would be even stranger for him to sit on Real's bench and watch Casillas play for a few years. Sounds like tabloid BS.

The_Kew_Tour · 23-10-2012 12:07pm

If Casillas was 35-36 I might sweat, but at 31 he is still young from keeper point of view, so think Mail are trying to fill some space.

Oregano_State · 23-10-2012 12:22pm

I hope Kagawa and Anderson play and put in decent performances tonight. And I hope they start against Chelski. We need to keep their midfield attacking 3 deeper than they have been playing recently. It'll be a real test for us.

God forbid if Gigs and Scholes both start I can see us losing by more than 1.

homerjay2005 · 23-10-2012 12:40pm

keep forgetting we are playing tonight which is strange, considering im actually going to this game once i finish work.

im hoping that Smalling is fit and fergies been telling porkies, but id say its going to be Wooton in there somehow which worries me as i dont think he is at this level just yet.

here is the team id play all things considered, but i dont think anybody would guess this 11 tonight as theres loads of possibilities.

AL

RafaelEvans----Wooton----Buttner
---Clevely----Ando

Fletch
---Nani

Giggs

Hernandez

Oregano_State · 23-10-2012 12:45pm

homerjay2005 wrote: »

keep forgetting we are playing tonight which is strange, considering im actually going to this game once i finish work.

im hoping that Smalling is fit and fergies been telling porkies, but id say its going to be Wooton in there somehow which worries me as i dont think he is at this level just yet.

here is the team id play all things considered, but i dont think anybody would guess this 11 tonight as theres loads of possibilities.
AL
RafaelEvans----Wooton----Buttner
---Clevely----Ando
Fletch
---Nani
Giggs
Hernandez

Dunno if this is what you're talking about, but I don't see Smalling being included tonight...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/oct/22/manchester-united-alex-ferguson-diamond-formation

SAF on Smalling: "He trained this morning with Warren Joyce [the reserve team manager]. He has trained there a couple of days now but it is non-contact at the moment. The encouraging thing is he is definitely on the way back. I expect Phil Jones to start next Monday on the football side and the two of them are two or three weeks away."

homerjay2005 · 23-10-2012 1:01pm

Smalling was expected to play for the u-21s last week and now he is a few weeks away?

for f*ck sake.

Vic Vinegar · 23-10-2012 1:09pm

homerjay2005 wrote: »

Smalling was expected to play for the u-21s last week and now he is a few weeks away?

for f*ck sake.

I'd rather they be very cautious about bringing people back with our injury curse! No point rushing him i suppose.

KH25 · 23-10-2012 1:14pm

I think Wooton should be given a game at some point tonight. Its a good game to give him some experience. He doesn't need to start but if we're comfortably ahead I see no harm in giving him a run out. At the very least it will allow someone to have a rest.

quad_red · 23-10-2012 1:47pm

Great article on Roy Keane in the Guardian. AN extract from this guy's new book.

Roy Keane: the Tony Soprano of Old Trafford
Life's most interesting people are invariably flawed; Keane has been the most interesting person in British football for decades

Keane's detractors say he was little more than a thug who went round booting people at a time when the game's laws had not evolved sufficiently. This is such offensive poppycock that it barely merits mention. The primary weapons in Keane's arsenal, by a distance, were his energy, positional sense and game intelligence.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/oct/23/roy-keane-book-extract

Giggsy11 · 23-10-2012 1:59pm

quad_red wrote: »

Great article on Roy Keane in the Guardian. AN extract from this guy's new book.

I was about to post this.

Vic Vinegar · 23-10-2012 2:05pm

Giggsy11 wrote: »

I was about to post this.

Typical Giggs... slow off the mark.

Giggsy11 · 23-10-2012 2:10pm

Bombleswizzum wrote: »

Typical Giggs... slow off the mark.

I'm not 21 anymore you see :P

the_one_&_only · 23-10-2012 2:34pm

My main concern is Giggs playing anymore than the final 10 mins because Fletcher, Ando and Cleverley are more in need of game time in the centre and he aint up to it on the wing anymore.

My team would be:

De Gea
Raf Wooton Evans Buttner
Fletcher Anderson
Nani Cleverley Kagawa
Chico

curry-muff · 23-10-2012 4:25pm

the_one_&_only wrote: »

My main concern is Giggs playing anymore than the final 10 mins because Fletcher, Ando and Cleverley are more in need of game time in the centre and he aint up to it on the wing anymore.

My team would be:

De Gea
Raf Wooton Evans Buttner
Fletcher Anderson
Nani Cleverley Kagawa
Chico

Wait, you do know that he isn't actually Giggs?

Kerrydude1981 · 23-10-2012 6:00pm

quad_red wrote: »

Great article on Roy Keane in the Guardian. AN extract from this guy's new book.

Roy Keane: the Tony Soprano of Old Trafford
Life's most interesting people are invariably flawed; Keane has been the most interesting person in British football for decades

Keane's detractors say he was little more than a thug who went round booting people at a time when the game's laws had not evolved sufficiently. This is such offensive poppycock that it barely merits mention. The primary weapons in Keane's arsenal, by a distance, were his energy, positional sense and game intelligence.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/oct/23/roy-keane-book-extract

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sl0IA0bwQSA

TheDoc · 23-10-2012 6:27pm

WoW

Laughed at Fowler pushing him in the face and Keane not budging, imagine if that happened in todays games

The_Kew_Tour · 23-10-2012 6:29pm

Keane was different gravy.

What to have him in his prime now for United and Ireland.

Kerrydude1981 · 23-10-2012 6:39pm

Steve McManaman was probably playing some of his best football for Pool during that season,he used make these long mazy runs with the ball but as seen in the video Keane didn't let him get too far during that cup final,best thing about Roy was he rarely gave the ball away,used keep it simple as Kew said he was a different gravy

Paul Tergat · 23-10-2012 9:39pm

we need to do something about these starts to games

castletownman · 23-10-2012 9:43pm

Hernandez simply has to be getting more game time than he is presently getting. I see the merits of starting Welbeck in certain formations, but Hernandez is such a lethal finisher he deserves to be there ahead of Danny. Cue Fergie not even using him in the Bridge on Sunday

Giggsy11 · 23-10-2012 9:45pm

ScummyMan · 23-10-2012 9:48pm

Can someone please explain to me the reasoning behind bringing on Giggs tonight? Baffling.

Lukekul · 23-10-2012 10:03pm

I had noticed it already this season but tonight it really showed, Chico's ability to use the ball has really improved

Mitch Connor · 23-10-2012 10:08pm

Player ratings link for the game tonight:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?pli=1&formkey=dGt5MFhUbHZ4cy1la1B6WlBCbE44OVE6MQ#gid=0

Rate away

markc1184 · 23-10-2012 10:11pm

Those p1ss poor starts are really getting annoying now!

The_Kew_Tour · 23-10-2012 10:23pm

Not as confident about Sunday as I would like to be.

I think we will have get 3 goals just to get a result.

Que 2-0 United win;)

Will I Amnt · 23-10-2012 10:28pm

Peach of a cross from Cleverley for the winner. Rooney and RvP with 2 perfect crosses to set up goals the last day out.....who needs wingers???

The_Kew_Tour · 23-10-2012 10:34pm

cambo2008 wrote: »

Peach of a cross from Cleverley for the winner. Rooney and RvP with 2 perfect crosses to set up goals the last day out.....who needs wingers???

Scoring from corners and quality delivers into the box.

We must be practicing them in training cause its some improvement in past few seasons.

Mikeyt086 · 23-10-2012 10:41pm

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Not as confident about Sunday as I would like to be.

I think we will have get 3 goals just to get a result.

Que 2-0 United win;)

Considering the amount of average players who have had their way with our back 4 at times this season, the idea of Mata and Hazard up against us is truly daunting...

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