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Guy in work off sick

  • 03-04-2013 1:03am
    #1
    Big Bottom
    Registered Users Posts: 346 ✭✭


    Hi,

    There is a guy in work who has been off sick for the last month claiming he is depressed.

    This guy smokes a lot of weed and is always trying to avoid work when he is in and leaves us all with lots extra to do.

    How long can you get away with claiming to be depressed before you have to come in or you can be fired?


Comments

  • #2
    TheVoodoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭TheVoodoo


    How do you know he doesn't suffer from depression?


  • #3
    judgefudge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 915 ✭✭✭judgefudge


    He may actually be suffering from depression. Given hes off this long I would assume he has given in some sort of cert. have a little empathy.


  • #4
    Vito Corleone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭Vito Corleone


    How do you know he smokes weed?


  • #5
    Cookie_Monster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,522 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    surely work would be a welcome distraction rather than sditting at home all day depressed?


  • #6
    discus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,049 ✭✭✭discus


    TheVoodoo wrote: »
    How do you know he doesn't suffer from depression?

    They rarely are tbh. It's just so easy to smoke your days away on the public purse.


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  • #7
    Profiler
    Registered Users Posts: 1,327 ✭✭✭Profiler


    Is there a chance that the guy is in fact depressed?

    Lots of depressed people self medicate when they shouldn't. People use, alcohol and other illegal narcotics.


  • #8
    Cee-Jay-Cee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,235 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    Maybe he's genuinely depressed?

    Are you his employer? What do you care if he's off sick? You say he does nothing when he is in work so I don't see what difference it makes to you if he's in or not?


  • #9
    TwoShedsJackson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,438 ✭✭✭TwoShedsJackson


    Are you his manager, or responsible for his work attendance? Because if not, why not leave it to whoever's responsibility it actually is, and mind your own business.


  • #10
    Scar Tissue
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,391 ✭✭✭Scar Tissue


    Cookie_Monster wrote: »
    surely work would be a welcome distraction rather than sditting at home all day depressed?

    Eh... no.
    Profiler wrote: »

    Lots of depressed people self medicate when they shouldn't. People use, alcohol and other illegal narcotics.

    and the sweeping generalisation of the day goes to! ^


  • #11
    Big Bottom
    Registered Users Posts: 346 ✭✭Big Bottom


    This guy is a complete waster.

    His screen saver in work is a hash leaf so we put 1 and 1 together.

    Id say he is at home smoking it while we all have to pick up the pieces in work


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  • #12
    brummytom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,572 ✭✭✭✭brummytom


    I can't imagine an employer just taking his word for having depression, he'll have some kind of doctor's certificate - if he's genuinely ill, what's your problem with it?


  • #13
    kingcobra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 835 ✭✭✭kingcobra


    Chances are he's smoking weed in order to get himself out of his funk, which obviously just makes the problem worse...


  • #14
    Profiler
    Registered Users Posts: 1,327 ✭✭✭Profiler


    Big Bottom wrote: »
    This guy is a complete waster.

    His screen saver in work is a hash leaf so we put 1 and 1 together.

    Id say he is at home smoking it while we all have to pick up the pieces in work

    Ah, so you mean you have no proof.

    Glad we're not jumping to conclusions here.


  • #15
    Big Bottom
    Registered Users Posts: 346 ✭✭Big Bottom


    My problem is that we are up to our eyes. I dont believe he has depression, Im sure you could just look up the symptoms online and just say it to a doctor.


  • #16
    Scar Tissue
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,391 ✭✭✭Scar Tissue


    Profiler wrote: »
    Ah, so you mean you have no proof.

    Glad we're not jumping to conclusions here.

    He has no proof, exactly. I could have a picture of a line of coke on my PC background, doesn't mean I'm snorting.

    Did you not just jump to a conclusion that alot of depressed people self medicate with alcohol and other illegal narcotics just a few posts above... :rolleyes:


  • #17
    thomur
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 279 ✭✭thomur


    TwoShedsJackson wrote: »
    Are you his manager, or responsible for his work attendance? Because if not, why not leave it to whoever's responsibility it actually is, and mind your own business.

    I'd imagine because someone has to do his work when he is not there. Its the responsibility of the HR dept to follow up on his attendance. If he is depressed they should be helping him out with it.


  • #18
    MonkstownHoop
    Registered Users Posts: 3,196 ✭✭✭MonkstownHoop


    Big Bottom wrote: »
    My problem is that we are up to our eyes. I dont believe he has depression, Im sure you could just look up the symptoms online and just say it to a doctor.

    how about you keep your big arse out of his business


  • #19
    Ihatecuddles-old
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,785 ✭✭✭Ihatecuddles-old


    Did he tell you himself that he's off because he's depressed?


  • #20
    Profiler
    Registered Users Posts: 1,327 ✭✭✭Profiler


    Scar Tissue wrote: »
    and the sweeping generalisation of the day goes to! ^

    Can I suggest you do a little digging, if you do, you may find out what I've said is right.

    However, as this is After Hours, feel free to hop aboard the outrage bandwagon and rant away.


  • #21
    zenno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    Big Bottom wrote: »
    This guy is a complete waster.

    His screen saver in work is a hash leaf so we put 1 and 1 together.

    Id say he is at home smoking it while we all have to pick up the pieces in work

    I have a big picture of a kangaroo on my desktop, does that mean i eat kangaroos ? He might just like the picture.

    Making accusations against this person just shows what kind of person YOU are. imo.


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  • #22
    Profiler
    Registered Users Posts: 1,327 ✭✭✭Profiler


    Scar Tissue wrote: »
    Did you not just jump to a conclusion that alot of depressed people self medicate with alcohol and other illegal narcotics just a few posts above... :rolleyes:

    No, I didn't.


  • #23
    Scar Tissue
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,391 ✭✭✭Scar Tissue


    Profiler wrote: »
    Can I suggest you do a little digging, if you do, you may find out what I've said is right.

    However, as this is After Hours, feel free to hop aboard the outrage bandwagon and rant away.

    Do you want to back up your post with evidence so? I'll just lay on my bandwagon here..


  • #24
    TheVoodoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭TheVoodoo


    The problem is this general attitude toward mental illness that a lot of people seem to have. ' He's a waster ' ' he sits at home all day smoking weed'

    Try he sits awake at night thinking he's worthless, and can't control his negative thoughts or he's loosing touch with his friends and family and feels helpless. Or also think that things he used to find easy now seem a hell of a lot more difficult.

    Mental illness a a serious issue, and while i've no doubt that in some cases the 'depression' card is abused, have a think that maybe this person actually does have depression, and has taken the first step in the right direction by starting to address it.

    Kind of serious post for AH, but c'mon, you don't know whats going on inside someone else's head.


  • #25
    Tearwave
    Registered Users Posts: 63 ✭✭Tearwave


    Big Bottom wrote: »

    Id say he is at home smoking it while we all have to pick up the pieces in work

    He sounds like quite a smart young fellow indeed.


  • #26
    guppy
    Registered Users Posts: 484 ✭✭guppy


    Big Bottom wrote: »
    My problem is that we are up to our eyes. I dont believe he has depression, Im sure you could just look up the symptoms online and just say it to a doctor.

    I work in a place that has its share of pee-takers when it comes to extended sick leave, but mostly the cause is "stress", not depression. They are two completely different things, and most doctors wouldn't be too quick to diagnose depression.

    (There are, of course, doctors who'll sign off on anything once they're paid, but I think they'd still be quicker to cite stress over depression).


  • #27
    Big Bottom
    Registered Users Posts: 346 ✭✭Big Bottom


    Its too easy to claim depression and get sympathy for it I think.

    How long is it before he could be let go or could he potentiall stay off 'sick' indefinitely?

    At he very least we needto get someone in to do what he is meant to be doing.


  • #28
    Frito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 769 ✭✭✭Frito


    Big Bottom wrote: »
    How long can you get away with claiming to be depressed before you have to come in or you can be fired?

    Tough one to call. What they used to do with witches was throw them in a river and see if they drowned.


  • #29
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    Profiler is right, alot of people self medicate with alcohol drugs etc when they're suffering mental health issues


  • #30
    Scar Tissue
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,391 ✭✭✭Scar Tissue


    Big Bottom wrote: »
    Its too easy to claim depression and get sympathy for it I think.

    How long is it before he could be let go or could he potentiall stay off 'sick' indefinitely?

    At he very least we needto get someone in to do what he is meant to be doing.

    If it's so easy why don't you do it so? Sounds like you don't like having to pick up some temporary slack while your co-worker is going through some sick leave (which he'd need a doctor's cert for, no doubt).

    I'm sure he's having the time of his life at home, depressed.


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  • #31
    Sparks43
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,056 ✭✭✭Sparks43


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=81815167

    You have really gone to pot Big Bottom


  • #32
    Tearwave
    Registered Users Posts: 63 ✭✭Tearwave


    Big Bottom wrote: »
    Its too easy to claim depression and get sympathy for it I think.

    How long is it before he could be let go or could he potentiall stay off 'sick' indefinitely?

    At he very least we needto get someone in to do what he is meant to be doing.
    It's usually 6 months before they start taking serious action


  • #33
    Big Bottom
    Registered Users Posts: 346 ✭✭Big Bottom


    It might be stress leave he is on actually but either way nobody else is taking leave and believe me we are all up against it.


  • #34
    anncoates
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,925 ✭✭✭✭anncoates


    I'd be f*cking depressed if I worked with you, OP.


  • #35
    Pawwed Rig
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,407 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    If your company suspects the guy is faking then they have the right to have him assessed by their own doctors. It is not so easy to just look up the symptoms.
    Cookie_Monster wrote: »
    surely work would be a welcome distraction rather than sitting at home all day depressed?
    Depression can be completely debilitating. To work while going through an period of depression would be impossible for many. It is an illness like any other. While it can be good to keep the mind occupied dealing with responsibility may not be a good idea. Especially in the seemingly intolerant workplace that the OP describes. People in general have little understanding of depression so it would most likely worsen for the guy were he to keep going to work.

    OP maybe he smokes weed to deal with depression or maybe he just thinks it is a cool screen saver.


  • #36
    thomur
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 279 ✭✭thomur


    guppy wrote: »

    (There are, of course, doctors who'll sign off on anything once they're paid, but I think they'd still be quicker to cite stress over depression).

    I used to work in an un-named company. All of the sick notes used to come from a doctor in Thomas Street, even though the ops lived all over Dublin. After a couple of nights out and associated beer, I found out it was because he would sign off anything if you brought a bottle of whiskey.


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  • #37
    Profiler
    Registered Users Posts: 1,327 ✭✭✭Profiler


    Scar Tissue wrote: »
    Do you want to back up your post with evidence so? I'll just lay on my bandwagon here..

    1)

    Drug abuse as self-medication for depression: an empirical study

    2)

    When depression leads to self-medication, it can compound the difficulties that the person is already experiencing

    3)

    Teen 'Self Medication' For Depression Leads To More Serious Mental Illness, New Report Reveals

    4)

    Do you think there is a form of escape that the mentally ill try to take? An example would be becoming an alcoholic


  • #38
    weisses
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,564 ✭✭✭weisses


    nuxxx wrote: »
    Profiler is right, alot of people self medicate with alcohol drugs etc when they're suffering mental health issues


    We used to call that "a night out"


  • #39
    PizzamanIRL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,147 ✭✭✭PizzamanIRL


    Big Bottom wrote: »
    This guy is a complete waster.

    His screen saver in work is a hash leaf so we put 1 and 1 together.

    Id say he is at home smoking it while we all have to pick up the pieces in work

    He's a waster? He got off his arse to actually get a job in the first place, unlike a lot of other people.


  • #40
    MonkstownHoop
    Registered Users Posts: 3,196 ✭✭✭MonkstownHoop


    Big Arse, given the previous thread you started you seem to be jealous of this man, he gets women, time off work ect.... while you are a sad lonely individual, i feel sorry for you


  • #41
    Madam_X
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,327 ✭✭✭Madam_X


    Cookie_Monster wrote: »
    surely work would be a welcome distraction rather than sditting at home all day depressed?
    Yeh if it's mild but if it's severe, the person would be too ill to work. Like a person with a cold making them feel crappy but not enough to justify taking long-term sick leave, as opposed to someone having glandular fever.


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  • #42
    marshbaboon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭marshbaboon


    Have you considered quitting your job and becoming self employed as a private detective, because your detective skills are amazing.

    All joking aside, unless you're the one that pays his wages it's absolutely none of your business.


  • #43
    Big Bottom
    Registered Users Posts: 346 ✭✭Big Bottom


    I dont buy this 'self medication' malarky for a minute, if he didnt smoke weed, he wouldnt be stressed or depressed or whatever he is making up. Its a demanding job but everyone else is getting on fine.


  • #44
    LizT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,089 ✭✭✭✭LizT


    OP given a little time off.


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