Q/A - Google Music!

listermint · 11-02-2013 4:53pm

pickarooney wrote: »

As a concept, I guess not, but in reality it seems far less useful. I just can't imagine a scenario where I don't have my phone and someone else gives me one to listen to my music on. I don't know anyone that uses a tablet to play music on the move.

Can you listen to music from your Play account on your car stereo for example?

This is my major gripe, to be honest. There's no justifiable reason for not putting SD card slots in phones. Storage has been getting exponentially cheaper for decades and all of a sudden it's becoming restricted to push people into using the cloud. It's dumb. One the one hand you have phones like the Galaxy S3 which improve external storage to 64GB and at the same time the likes of the Nexus 4 has 0.

Yes I do know people that play music from their tablets and Laptops for example.

Also Yes i can connect car my stereo as its a touchscreen Android Stereo, so play is.. well superb.

pickarooney · 11-02-2013 4:57pm

PogMoThoin wrote: »

Netflix and Spotify are other examples, I suppose you don't get these either

You're right, I don't. I've never used Netflix but I gather it involves paying for a small collection of out of date films and TV programs and hoping your internet connection stays strong enough so that it doesn't cut out half way through. Never used Spotify either but it just seems to be YouTube with no video which doesn't work on linux.

listermint · 11-02-2013 4:59pm

pickarooney wrote: »

You're right, I don't. I've never used Netflix but I gather it involves paying for a small collection of out of date films and TV programs and hoping your internet connection stays strong enough so that it doesn't cut out half way through. Never used Spotify either but it just seems to be YouTube with no video which doesn't work on linux.

ROFL

What Internet speeds are you getting at home, I can run Netflix. My Linux receiver and play xbox live if required at the same time.

Genghiz Cohen · 11-02-2013 5:04pm

Ardent wrote: »

My two major issues with streaming music as opposed to playing it off an SD card:

- 3g is a battery killer (on my phone anyway)
- health concerns (don't like excessive wireless streaming/downloading)

I'm just gonna:

inb4 pseudoscience.

PogMoThoin · 11-02-2013 5:06pm

pickarooney wrote: »

You're right, I don't. I've never used Netflix but I gather it involves paying for a small collection of out of date films and TV programs and hoping your internet connection stays strong enough so that it doesn't cut out half way through. Never used Spotify either but it just seems to be YouTube with no video which doesn't work on linux.

What have you got? A piece of string and two tin cans? Netflix only needs about 1.5mbit for SD. And it's only 7 quid per month, a single DVD rental has always been about a fiver

listermint · 11-02-2013 5:08pm

pickarooney wrote: »

You're right, I don't. I've never used Netflix but I gather it involves paying for a small collection of out of date films and TV programs and hoping your internet connection stays strong enough so that it doesn't cut out half way through. Never used Spotify either but it just seems to be YouTube with no video which doesn't work on linux.

Oh and i missed this part. How could i!

What the hell is an 'out of date film' ? Can you tell it by the mouldy blue bits on it ?

PogMoThoin · 11-02-2013 5:23pm

pickarooney wrote: »

Can you listen to music from your Play account on your car stereo for example?

Very easy if you have a bluetooth stereo

pickarooney wrote: »

This is my major gripe, to be honest. There's no justifiable reason for not putting SD card slots in phones. Storage has been getting exponentially cheaper for decades and all of a sudden it's becoming restricted to push people into using the cloud. It's dumb. One the one hand you have phones like the Galaxy S3 which improve external storage to 64GB and at the same time the likes of the Nexus 4 has 0.

It's just the Google Nexus devices. The idea is that with the Google cloud services you don't need added storage. Much like their ChromeOS doesn't save anything locally, all in the cloud. I have a data package and connectivity most of the time. I bought an 8GB Nexus 7 and will most likely buy the Nexus 4, I've realised I don't need the storage. The storage on my S3 is sitting pretty empty right now.

pickarooney · 11-02-2013 6:07pm

PogMoThoin wrote: »

What have you got? A piece of string and two tin cans? Netflix only needs about 1.5mbit for SD. And it's only 7 quid per month, a single DVD rental has always been about a fiver

DVD rentals? Standard definition? And I'm living in the past

What the hell is an 'out of date film' ?

It's the opposite of a 'New release'. Yeah, personally I couldn't give a toss what age the films I watch are but people pay a premium to watch recent releases.

The idea is that with the Google cloud services you don't need added storage.

Google/Sony telling what you do and don't need? Trying to force me to pay for data packages? No thanks, I'll make up my own mind based on my own requirements. Which was, I thought, one of the positive points of Android and other X based OSes.

Yes I do know people that play music from their tablets and Laptops for example

Android Tablets with 3G are fairly thin on the ground, I thought.

advertsfox · 11-02-2013 6:08pm

pickarooney wrote: »

I haven't heard any single cogent reason as to why the cloud is better than local storage.

Same was said about why MP3's are better than CD's - Google is just going ahead of the game, same as Apple, Amazon. We just need broadband speeds to catchup

PogMoThoin · 11-02-2013 6:11pm

pickarooney wrote: »

DVD rentals? Standard definition? And I'm living in the past

It's the opposite of a 'New release'. Yeah, personally I couldn't give a toss what age the films I watch are but people pay a premium to watch recent releases.

Google/Sony telling what you do and don't need? Trying to force me to pay for data packages? No thanks, I'll make up my own mind based on my own requirements. Which was, I thought, one of the positive points of Android and other X based OSes.

Android Tablets with 3G are fairly thin on the ground, I thought.

Oh FFS, stop trolling the thread. We understand, you don't get it. No need to thread spoil with your awkwardness.

Random · 11-02-2013 9:15pm

so ive uploaded all my music from my pc. ive installed the app on my s3. ive gone and pinned every song on the s3 and left them overnight and they are now on my phone.

1. if i add a song on my phone will it show up on my pc automatically? - i think from reading and looking that i can only upload from my pc or from the browser. is that right?

2. can i make it so any new songs are automatically downloaded to my s3 so i dont have to tick each time i add a new song? - i think from reading and looking at options that i cant, but can you confirm?

thanks

Gran Hermano · 11-02-2013 10:14pm

Random wrote: »

so ive uploaded all my music from my pc. ive installed the app on my s3. ive gone and pinned every song on the s3 and left them overnight and they are now on my phone.

1. if i add a song on my phone will it show up on my pc automatically? - i think from reading and looking that i can only upload from my pc or from the browser. is that right?

2. can i make it so any new songs are automatically downloaded to my s3 so i dont have to tick each time i add a new song? - i think from reading and looking at options that i cant, but can you confirm?

thanks

1. Pretty sure you need to use the music manager programming on PC to upload to cloud. There is probably a work around using a drop box like app on phone to upload and music manger on PC to monitor the drop box folder on PC.

2. Once songs are uploaded they will automatically show as available on your phone, my understanding is you will' have to select manually whether you want to pin it to that device by downloading.

BionicRasher · 12-02-2013 12:06am

Love the way I can use a shared Gmail family account and all the family can use it to listen to our shared music anywhere – be it on their phone or on a PC or anywhere. Just upload all music that we own in the house (including the daughters Justin Bieber collection!!) and we can all log in and share all the music anywhere

Isn’t the cloud great!

Great Post OP

pickarooney · 12-02-2013 10:12am

Just to give you all a good laugh, my SD card shat itself last night and wiped all my music :mad::D

listermint · 12-02-2013 10:14am

pickarooney wrote: »

Just to give you all a good laugh, my SD card shat itself last night and wiped all my music :mad::D

Bad news

elderlemon · 12-02-2013 10:28am

is that on an S3? Mine did that last week.

pickarooney wrote: »

Just to give you all a good laugh, my SD card shat itself last night and wiped all my music :mad::D

pickarooney · 12-02-2013 12:25pm

elderlemon wrote: »

is that on an S3? Mine did that last week.

No, on a Huawei Ascend G300.

PogMoThoin · 12-02-2013 12:33pm

pickarooney wrote: »

Just to give you all a good laugh, my SD card shat itself last night and wiped all my music :mad::D

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steve_r · 20-02-2013 10:39am

Dunno if I'm the right thread but here goes.

On Meteor with an S3, current version 4.1.2

Got a "firmware update" this morning, now the Google music app has shown up.

Anyone else the same? can't see any recent threads.

I have a seperate mp3 player but I'd like the usefulness of google music appeals to me.

No option to shop available, just sends me to the apps section of the play store. Presume this means I can't upload anything to the cloud with the current settings.

PogMoThoin · 20-02-2013 11:06am

steve_r wrote: »

Dunno if I'm the right thread but here goes.

On Meteor with an S3, current version 4.1.2

Got a "firmware update" this morning, now the Google music app has shown up.

Anyone else the same? can't see any recent threads.

I have a seperate mp3 player but I'd like the usefulness of google music appeals to me.

No option to shop available, just sends me to the apps section of the play store. Presume this means I can't upload anything to the cloud with the current settings.

Read the thread....

BopNiblets · 13-03-2013 11:44am

Is there a proxy/tunnel service without signup I can use to activate Google Music on my account?

Edit: I managed to get in with FoxyProxy and using a free proxy from hidemyass, then it asked for credit card
Hmm, so you have to have the proxy on all the time? Or if I setup the credit card with US address, will be always available or will I get the unsupported country message?
Cheers.

polaris68 · 13-03-2013 1:18pm

Presumably you want to access the US Google play store to buy music?

Use a proxy (I used tunnelbear) to access your google wallet. Add a US address for your credit card and then see if you can make a purchase with the proxy still switched on.

Over the past few weeks - I have been able to access the US play store from my account even without a proxy. You'll just have to check if this works for you.

fredotf2 · 13-03-2013 2:54pm

BopNiblets wrote: »

Is there a proxy/tunnel service without signup I can use to activate Google Music on my account?

Edit: I managed to get in with FoxyProxy and using a free proxy from hidemyass, then it asked for credit card
Hmm, so you have to have the proxy on all the time? Or if I setup the credit card with US address, will be always available or will I get the unsupported country message?
Cheers.

Hi there,

Once you set up your Google Music account with your credit card, you will no longer need to use a U.S. proxy to access the Google Music services. When you get to the Google Music login page, simply login and you will not get the unsupported country message.

Hope this helps

P.S. If you set up your account using an English proxy, you will not have to provide a full address but rather just a postcode.

user1842 · 13-03-2013 3:21pm

Just to confirm, you only need a proxy to access the Google Music store and buy songs.

You do not need a proxy to install Google's Music Manager and upload all of your songs to the cloud and use the app on your phone or the website on your computer.

fredotf2 · 13-03-2013 3:29pm

user1842 wrote: »

Just to confirm, you only need a proxy to access the Google Music store and buy songs.

You do not need a proxy to install Google's Music Manager and upload all of your songs to the cloud and use the app on your phone or the website on your computer.

You only need the proxy to set up your Google Music Account, once that is done you can do anything you like without the proxy. Because you have set up your account using an fake English/U.S. credit/debit card, it automatically thinks you are American/English.

One more time for clarity - The proxy is ONLY needed to set up the account. After that, its plain sailing.

croo · 13-03-2013 3:30pm

user1842 wrote: »

Just to confirm, you only need a proxy to access the Google Music store and buy songs.

You do not need a proxy to install Google's Music Manager and upload all of your songs to the cloud and use the app on your phone or the website on your computer.

You sure? IF I click on the download Google Music Manager it tells me

The Google Play music player is currently available in select territories.

user1842 · 13-03-2013 3:39pm

croo wrote: »

You sure? IF I click on the download Google Music Manager it tells me

Interesting I don't get that error at all. It lets me download it. Must be because I originally setup it up years ago using a proxy (i think).

I have a Nexus 4 & 10. I wonder would that remove the restriction as Play Music is the only default music player shipped with the device. As the Nexus 7 is sold in Ireland maybe Google remove the IP restriction only for the upload and play sections of the site (not the store).

croo · 13-03-2013 4:23pm

Could be that you setup originally with a proxy okay.
I have a nexus 7 - I don't think the device matters.

I'm sure I read somewhere in this forums that, once installed, you only need the proxy to buy.

I was following instructions here...
http://support.google.com/googleplay/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=1229970

listermint · 13-03-2013 5:02pm

croo wrote: »

Could be that you setup originally with a proxy okay.
I have a nexus 7 - I don't think the device matters.

I'm sure I read somewhere in this forums that, once installed, you only need the proxy to buy.

I was following instructions here...
http://support.google.com/googleplay/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=1229970

This is true,

i set mine up with proxy. But dont buy anything so i dont need the proxy presently. access to the my google music in the cloud i can do from anywhere.

WeleaseWoderick · 10-04-2013 5:36pm

Can you access a 2nd account on your phone for the Play Music app only?

i.e. I have my phone set up with my personal gmail account for everything but want to set up a shared account for uploading my music to so that my family can access it too.

fredotf2 · 10-04-2013 5:50pm

WeleaseWoderick wrote: »

Can you access a 2nd account on your phone for the Play Music app only?

i.e. I have my phone set up with my personal gmail account for everything but want to set up a shared account for uploading my music to so that my family can access it too.

Yes this is possible. Set up your new google account and go to settings on your device. In the accounts section add your new Google account. Then go to the settings in the play music app and choose the new account in the settings. It will now sync music from the new account.

P.S If you buy music in the Play store, make sure you are signed in with the right Google account. This can be changed in the settings of the Play store too.

Andy-Pandy · 10-04-2013 7:08pm

I asked this in the other thread, maybe its more suited to here.

So how does it work then, am i actually uploading all my tunes and storing the data, or am i just letting google know what i have and then them giving me access to their copy of the tune to stream. If i upload as a FLAC file, will i listen to it in the quality?

PogMoThoin · 10-04-2013 7:13pm

Andy-Pandy wrote: »

I asked this in the other thread, maybe its more suited to here.

It stores your music in the quality you upload, the limit is 25k songs, there is no limit on the size of the files. I've uploaded some mp3 songs of full albums in 320kbps mp3 and they are counted as one song.

fredotf2 · 10-04-2013 7:21pm

Andy-Pandy wrote: »

I asked this in the other thread, maybe its more suited to here.

From what I understand its scans the songs you are uploading. If it recognizes the song it will use a Google music copy of the song and it won't have to actually upload it. If it does not recognize the song it will manually upload it to your Google music library.

JohnK · 10-04-2013 7:24pm

It didn't recognize any of about 8500 songs I uploaded.

PogMoThoin · 10-04-2013 7:27pm

JohnK wrote: »

It didn't recognize any of about 8500 songs I uploaded.

Nor any in my 25GB I uploaded

fredotf2 · 10-04-2013 7:30pm

JohnK wrote: »

It didn't recognize any of about 8500 songs I uploaded.

My source - http://techland.time.com/2012/12/19/google-play-musics-scan-and-match-service-comes-stateside/

Thanks to Gran Hermano for the link.

JohnK · 10-04-2013 11:21pm

Weird, it failed on two songs and stalled on one which, out of 8500 isnt too bad I suppose but I want everything up there so I logged out & uninstalled to try and clear the stall as per the google help instructions. Now after reinstalling the manager its trying to upload 8000 of those same files again!? I understand it thinking it might need to upload the first time around but all these songs are already in my online library. I'm listening to some of them through the browser right now... wtf?!

and wonderful, its stalling on the same file at the same % mark :rolleyes:

budhabob · 11-04-2013 9:56am

fredotf2 wrote: »

Yes this is possible. Set up your new google account and go to settings on your device. In the accounts section add your new Google account. Then go to the settings in the play music app and choose the new account in the settings. It will now sync music from the new account.

P.S If you buy music in the Play store, make sure you are signed in with the right Google account. This can be changed in the settings of the Play store too.

Just wondering, based on this, is it possible to add my OH to my Play account so that she can access my music without reuploading it to her account. Both our music is saved in one folder on the PC, so no point duplicating the upload. Or would I need to set up a new account as suggested above?

djfitzerjnr · 11-04-2013 11:43am

I'm due an upgrade on my phone soon, next month to be precise. I was gonna stay Apple and go 5, mainly because I like my music and podcasts and like to have the option of iTunes / iPod. I'm not an Apple fanboy as such, but I am locked in.

Google Play has really caught my attention, the idea of storing all my music, about 4500 songs, in 1 place and having them all the time and available to you is very appealling.

Just a couple of questions tho, that might seem stupid.

1) so I have iTunes purchased music, some eh, borrowed music, and some CD's uploaded at different qualities. Will they all be allowed to be uploaded to this Google Play Music Manager?

2) Will my version always be uploaded is possible, such as different versions of the same song.

3) I had some trouble with moving iTunes songs before becuase, when I imported a CD into iTunes, I would import them all as track1, track2....etc before entering the names. Now I enter the names before importing so iTunes will always recognise them as "whatever song title" and "second song title" as opposed to track1 and track2. The problem is that iTunes reckons I have about 10 songs called track1, 10 as track2 etc in the actual computer files.

4) So there is really 2 ways you can access the songs on your phone/device? The streaming, and through a music-playing app? So you can use both the online streaming of all your songs, but also you can choose to have just 200 favourites in a playlist through an app?
Would Google Play upload the songs as the songs titles I entered in later, or what they were imported as?

Thanks in advance.

one man clappin · 11-04-2013 11:59am

Can only answer question 1 for you as I am in the process of uploading my songs to Google Play Music at the moment.
Songs purchased from iTunes will not be uploaded because they are DRM protected.

Mimikyu · 11-04-2013 12:02pm

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listermint · 11-04-2013 12:03pm

one man clappin wrote: »

Can only answer question 1 for you as I am in the process of uploading my songs to Google Play Music at the moment.
Songs purchased from iTunes will not be uploaded because they are DRM protected.

I dont think ive actually had that issue tbh. Im pretty sure all mine uploaded. Id have to check to be 100% but i think they did.

djfitzerjnr · 11-04-2013 12:04pm

So what happens to songs I've purchases? Is it that Google then give me access to their version of the song, or am I just have to live without them?

djfitzerjnr · 11-04-2013 12:18pm

Captain Morgan wrote: »

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Thank you! very helpful

Fresh Pots · 11-04-2013 12:24pm

You could always download the music manager and upload your songs, that way you'll be know exactly where you stand.

ThisRegard · 11-04-2013 12:26pm

djfitzerjnr wrote: »

when I imported a CD into iTunes, I would import them all as track1, track2....etc before entering the names. Now I enter the names before importing

Are you saying you manually entered the artist, album and song titles ? iTunes does that automatically, apart from the rare instances when it doesn't recognise the track.

Captain Morgan wrote: »

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Does that include DRM'd tracks you purchased from iTunes ?

Mimikyu · 11-04-2013 12:36pm

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listermint · 11-04-2013 12:41pm

djfitzerjnr wrote: »

So what happens to songs I've purchases? Is it that Google then give me access to their version of the song, or am I just have to live without them?

Yes sure download it yourself, make the itunes folder link and let it upload.

The log on to your music.google.com account and see whats there.

That much is free and doesnt require a phone.

budhabob · 11-04-2013 12:46pm

budhabob wrote: »

Just wondering, based on this, is it possible to add my OH to my Play account so that she can access my music without reuploading it to her account. Both our music is saved in one folder on the PC, so no point duplicating the upload. Or would I need to set up a new account as suggested above?

Hey all, any advice on the above query?

Q/A - Google Music!

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