Child Mauled by Dog

lisar201 · 17-04-2010 12:08pm #1

OK so my sisters neighbour's son got mauled by a dog the other day,The dog tore half of the poor childs face off,Absolutely awful thing to happen to anybody, Now most of you will expect me to say it was done by one of the types of dogs on the restricted breeds list (such as a staff, Rottweiler, mastiff, pitbull, etc) the dog was actually a springer spaniel, the owners of the dog have had him for 5 yrs never had any problems before and have 4 children themselves. the dog is going to be put down. But here is my problem if it had of been any one of the dogs on the restricted breeds list it would have been front page news "another dangerous dog attacks inncocent child" but because it is not and the dog is just a normal springer family dog people are saying it must of been provoked by the child.This is the second time i've heard of a spaniel attacking a child.I am a rottie owner myself and it really makes my blood boil that my dog is sterotyped and has to be muzzled because of a handful of bad owners that have made the press,Yet we have heard stories about dogs not on the list and they are still free to roam around muzzle free.I have spent hundreds on buying my dog from a reputal breeder,hours socializing her to ensure she is not dangerous and i can honestly say she would lick someone to death before she'd even growl at anybody!! It really annoys me that all the work and money I have put into my dog and she still has to be muzzled. Any dog type of dog capable of attacking someone no matter what type of breed and that is why I feel that it should be the law to have all dogs muzzled not just a select few.It's like one rule for one and another for others.For instance I was walking my dog the other day and she was muzzled. All of a sudden along came to labs and they went for her, their owners had no control over them at all. because my dog was muzzled she had no way to defend herself or to protect me.Yet anybody walking by would have probly assumed my rottie attacked them!

EGAR · 17-04-2010 12:14pm

I do Bull Breed Rescue for well over a decade and have been saying the same thing over and over: deed not breed. However, I do not agree with having all dogs muzzled.

I got mauled by a Yellow Lab a few years back and was in hospital. Journalists rang me in the hope of getting an interview with the Pit Bull Lady and were very disappointed to hear that the dog wasn't a Bull Breed.

Needless to say, it never made the papers. Had it been a Bull Breed then the story would have been different

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fatmammycat · 17-04-2010 12:20pm

I nearly lost an ear to the family collie when I was a toddler. he absolutely savaged me. I've been attacked by JRTs more times than I can count on one hand while out running, seconded only by westies. And two of the sweetest-and most tolerant- dogs I know are staffies. Unique experience, I don't think so.
I won't even get another doberman as I feel I won't be able to socialise it properly ( short leash and a muzzle and never running free? people avoiding me and him because of the hardware) and I remember from my own guy how much interaction was needed to keep him dog and people safe. It's an absolute and utter joke how that list was drawn up with NO regard for individual owners and dogs, a poorly thought out blanket exercise in stupidity.:mad:

ha-ya-said-what · 17-04-2010 12:21pm

Gun dogs are kinda known for attacking kids, even if they were reared with kids. I got my face mauled the same as that poor boy as a toddler & it was a Pointer that did it to me & he had been reared in a house with 3 kids, it was only when he went to attack my brother that the dog was put down, muzzled or not they still sneak from behind, pounce on the kids & claw them, and can do equal amount of harm then as they would do with their mouth.

But again I put that blame upon the owners for not socialising & training the dog properly.

Shazanne · 17-04-2010 12:29pm

I think that the responsibility should lie entirely with the owners. We all know our dogs and we are not going to intentionally put a child or anyone else in danger. If you know your dog you know what it is capable of and, if your dog is a danger, then you take the necessary precautions. I have a small terrier cross rescue dog - she's adorable and you'd think butter would not melt in her mouth. But put her in the vicinity of another dog, especially a female, and she would most likely eat it! Therefore, she is never out without a lead. Same thing applies with a muzzle (which I hate). If you know your dog needs to be have one then you use it.
I know I'll be slated for saying this by people who will say there has to be a law to protect the public from irresponsible dog owners and I accept this is the case. But the majority of dog owners are responsible and it seems unfair to muzzle perfectly well behaved and socialised dogs.

ha-ya-said-what · 17-04-2010 12:31pm

EGAR wrote: »

I got mauled by a Yellow Lab a few years back and was in hospital. Journalists rang me in the hope of getting an interview with the Pit Bull Lady and were very disappointed to hear that the dog wasn't a Bull Breed.

I used to have to run from two Yellow labs years ago! Woman over the road from me owned them .... she was a ditz, they'd stray & if that wasn't bad enough she used to walk the dogs down to the bus stop in the morning with her kids, dogs on the leads with her busy trying to bite the rest of us & she just didn't care "ohh don't be silly they never harmed my kids so they won't harm you"

Other neighbour had a beagle who's attack was wait for someone to cycle past, dart out, bite their legs & try take them down off the bike! .. Again owner didn't have a secure garden or care that the dog was straying

EGAR · 17-04-2010 12:34pm

Fatmammycat has made a very good point, one I have been banging on about for years to anyone who would listen. How on earth is one supposed to properly socialise a restricted breed with a muzzle and a short leash? It's a catch22 and one designed to raise anti-social or insecure dogs.

Socialisation for ANY dog/breed is vital.

Also, as the mother of a 5 yro I echo what another poster said: it's the parents responsibility to make sure the child is safe, however, we all know that 24/7 guarding of a child is not possible and *freak* (for the lack of a better word) accidents do happen.

lisar201 · 17-04-2010 12:34pm

Shazanne wrote: »

I think that the responsibility should lie entirely with the owners. We all know our dogs and we are not going to intentionally put a child or anyone else in danger. If you know your dog you know what it is capable of and, if your dog is a danger, then you take the necessary precautions. I have a small terrier cross rescue dog - she's adorable and you'd think butter would not melt in her mouth. But put her in the vicinity of another dog, especially a female, and she would most likely eat it! Therefore, she is never out without a lead. Same thing applies with a muzzle (which I hate). If you know your dog needs to be have one then you use it.
I know I'll be slated for saying this by people who will say there has to be a law to protect the public from irresponsible dog owners and I accept this is the case. But the majority of dog owners are responsible and it seems unfair to muzzle perfectly well behaved and socialised dogs.

thats exactly my point i fell that all dogs should have to be muzzled(i hate muzzling mine) instead of just the restricted breeds as other dogs are just as likely to attack

wolfpawnat · 17-04-2010 12:41pm

I had to give my Yorkie and Cocker Spaniel to my mother when I found out I was pregnant. My yorkie is an absolute princess and she is very jealous, add that to lightning swift and snappy little teeth = bad injury to my son. As for the Cocker, he doesnt seem harmful but I cannot risk it! He is bulky and may see my son (who crawls) as prey!

Also, my father had a dog to train for the IGDB (half lab/half golden retriever) and seriously he would visciously snap at everone but my dad. he was very bad when I was pregnant. I had to forcible shove him away from me when I was 8 months pregnant!!!!! he lunged at me!

Never the dog breed only the owner is my theory. I treated my dog like a princess and as such made her incapible of being around children, she is well cared for but I miss her every day

EGAR · 17-04-2010 12:42pm

ha-ya-said-what wrote: »

I used to have to run from two Yellow labs years ago! Woman over the road from me owned them .... she was a ditz, they'd stray & if that wasn't bad enough she used to walk the dogs down to the bus stop in the morning with her kids, dogs on the leads with her busy trying to bite the rest of us & she just didn't care "ohh don't be silly they never harmed my kids so they won't harm you"

Other neighbour had a beagle who's attack was wait for someone to cycle past, dart out, bite their legs & try take them down off the bike! .. Again owner didn't have a secure garden or care that the dog was straying

The Lab was an owner surrender, they made out they found him as a stray. I found out later that he was indeed their dog and had attacked several people. Instead of doing the decent thing they surrendered him to me and lied about him. It was a very expensive lie as they had to pay for my treatment and the PTS of the dog. They were lucky I didn't pursue it any further than that.

ha-ya-said-what · 17-04-2010 12:43pm

:mad: I hope they feckin learned their lesson!!!!

EGAR · 17-04-2010 12:44pm

lisar201 wrote: »

thats exactly my point i fell that all dogs should have to be muzzled(i hate muzzling mine) instead of just the restricted breeds as other dogs are just as likely to attack

Sorry but that's like saying: lock up all men as they are potential rapists.

EGAR · 17-04-2010 12:45pm

OP, as most attacks happen in the dogs own home that would mean you want them muzzled 24/7?

ha-ya-said-what · 17-04-2010 12:48pm

Some dogs won't take well to muzzling, years ago a Pom developed the habit of constantly licking his leg to the point where it was raw, he was muzzled for that to allow the leg time to heal & hair to re-grow as anything applied to the leg he just licked off anyway... to him he'd been muzzled for no reason so persisted to get aggitated & aggressive in clawing the muzzle & when the muzzle was removed became snappy & snarly towards humans, it seems he now saw people as a threat that they were going to muzzle him.

EGAR · 17-04-2010 12:54pm

This will make interesting reading for anyone concerned about dog bite statistics:

http://www.ucd.ie/news/0710_october/081007_dog_bite.html

ha-ya-said-what · 17-04-2010 1:02pm

The only time I have ever known anyone to get biten by a dog outside of the dogs home was when the dog was in public, tied to a something while the owner was in the shop paying for something less than 5 ft away & keeping an eye on the dog, until someone came along & thought "ohhh lovely doggie" and went to pet him!

lisar201 · 17-04-2010 1:10pm

EGAR wrote: »

Sorry but that's like saying: lock up all men as they are potential rapists.

that is taking it to the extreme! I just feel that all dogs are just as likely to attack not just the restricted breeds and that it is not fair on the restricted breed to have to be muzzled when non-restricted are attacking people as well if not more! the law should apply to all dogs or none, It's just like beening racist only is involes dogs instead of people, We could not go around saying " hey people with big muscles must be put in a straight jacket to stop them from potenially going around punching people"

EGAR · 17-04-2010 1:14pm

I understand 100% where you are coming from, OP, however, I feel that muzzling all dogs is not a solution for several reasons, some of which I already mentioned. i.e. socialisation, attacks at home etc.

My example may be a bit extreme but the train of thought is the same.

mymo · 17-04-2010 1:20pm

Ha-ya-said-what That is one thing really annoys me, I have two dogs who are very well socialized and very friendly, especially to kids. But the amount of times people have come up to me and pounced on the dogs going "oh what a cute doggie" while the dog tries to back away(I have taught them to wait until told to "say hello" which usually means a sniff and a wag, then they get rubbed) is amazing, and this often happens with kids too, even parents telling the kids to pet the dogs:rolleyes:.
I even had a young boy try to pick up one dog when she was a pup, while his mother watched.
None of these people know the dogs, or have any idea of the reaction they'll get, just because a dog looks cute doesn't mean its safe. I have only ever been bitten by a lab and a jack russell, and I grew up with friends with staffies, rotties and dobies.
I have known dogs all my life but still won't pet a dog I don't know and taught my daughter the same. I also wouldn't leave my dogs with other kids, even daughters friends(12yrs old or so). I do believe any dog could bite given the right circumstances, be it sick, hurt, afraid or something else.
I do think there should be the option to get your restricted breed dog assessed and registered, and then allowed to go unmuzzled.

lisar201 · 17-04-2010 1:23pm

EGAR wrote: »

I understand 100% where you are coming from, OP, however, I feel that muzzling all dogs is not a solution for several reasons, some of which I already mentioned. i.e. socialisation, attacks at home etc.

My example may be a bit extreme but the train of thought is the same.

I totally disagree with muzzling dogs I hate muzzling mine but unfortunitly it is the law because my dog is a rottweiler, My point is i think it is unfair to only have to muzzle dogs on the list it should either be the law to have to muzzle all dogs or none at all.I would defo prefer not at all because muzzling a dog is so cruel and i feel terrible doing it to my dog but what other choice do i have??If i wanted to challenge the laws on muzzling dogs who should i contact or write to?I really do think there should be the option of getting the restricted breeds assessed

ha-ya-said-what · 17-04-2010 1:31pm

mymo wrote: »

Ha-ya-said-what That is one thing really annoys me, I have two dogs who are very well socialized and very friendly, especially to kids. But the amount of times people have come up to me and pounced on the dogs going "oh what a cute doggie" while the dog tries to back away(I have taught them to wait until told to "say hello" which usually means a sniff and a wag, then they get rubbed) is amazing, and this often happens with kids too, even parents telling the kids to pet the dogs:rolleyes:.
I even had a young boy try to pick up one dog when she was a pup, while his mother watched.
None of these people know the dogs, or have any idea of the reaction they'll get, just because a dog looks cute doesn't mean its safe. I have only ever been bitten by a lab and a jack russell, and I grew up with friends with staffies, rotties and dobies.
I have known dogs all my life but still won't pet a dog I don't know and taught my daughter the same. I also wouldn't leave my dogs with other kids, even daughters friends(12yrs old or so). I do believe any dog could bite given the right circumstances, be it sick, hurt, afraid or something else.
I do think there should be the option to get your restricted breed dog assessed and registered, and then allowed to go unmuzzled.

That's it people don't stop to think it's "ohhh the doggie" & off with them, the kids still run up to one of mine when we're out & leap to a stop with the hands out & on the dog before they've even finished asking "can I pet her"

EGAR · 17-04-2010 1:32pm

Lobbying to scrap the Restricted Breeds list has led to ... nothing. No politician would want to touch it as the broader public still perceives these breeds as more dangerous than others.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/pit-bulls-bite-less-than-family-dogs-121405.html

That was good start in 2007 but it led to... nothing.

The statistics are there backed up by independant research but no one will listen.

I have banged my head against a wall for over decade now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSAxS67pKfc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fddUquDXIjo

http://www.egar.org/bsl.htm

The list is endless.

lisar201 · 17-04-2010 1:40pm

EGAR wrote: »

Lobbying to scrap the Restricted Breeds list has led to ... nothing. No politician would want to touch it as the broader public still perceives these breeds as more dangerous than others.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/pit-bulls-bite-less-than-family-dogs-121405.html

That was good start in 2007 but it led to... nothing.

The statistics are there backed up by independant research but no one will listen.

I have banged my head against a wall for over decade now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSAxS67pKfc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fddUquDXIjo

http://www.egar.org/bsl.htm

The list is endless.

But there must be something we can do because I am coming across more and more people agreeing with me and if there was enough people something would have to be done

EGAR · 17-04-2010 2:15pm

The problem IMHO is the perception of the dogs by the broader public, the politicians worrying that it will cost them votes if they support us, and since lobbying is a lengthy process, people will lose interest after a while and then you stand there with a handful of people. And of course education of the public about theses breeds.

The biggest problem and the downfall of alot of those breeds are the scumbags they often attract as owners.

I have not given up by a long shot but there is only so much a single person can do. I simply haven't got the time to go lobbying, write letters, organise a campaign AND look after the rescue. The day only has 24 hours

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crotalus667 · 17-04-2010 2:40pm

EGAR wrote: »

The problem IMHO is the perception of the dogs by the broader public, the politicians worrying that it will cost them votes if they support us, and since lobbying is a lengthy process, people will lose interest after a while and then you stand there with a handful of people. And of course education of the public about theses breeds.

What is needed is the backing of a newspaper that is willing to try and sensaionalize the whole thing like they did with the head shops + plus you need some thing to replace the dd act with ( i am in favour of a mandatory test for owners or mandatory scoialiaztion classes for any dog that is to be brought into a public place)

EGAR wrote: »

The biggest problem and the downfall of alot of those breeds are the scumbags they often attract as owners. .

In the uk they have proven the banned dog list to be fundemently flawed , since they have banned the dogs they have increased in number + their popularaty as an ego/scumbag dog has risen

EGAR · 17-04-2010 2:55pm

Crotalus, we do not have a DDA (Dangerous Dogs Act) in Ireland, it's only in the UK, it's called Restricted Breeds Act in Ireland. And why replace it with something? It's deed not breed and with no legislation in place to deal with rogue owners (in all the cases of dogs biting it was the dogs who paid the price, i.e. were pts'd, the owners went scot-free to get another dog, feck it up and the whole cycle starts again) we are fighting a losing battle.

Mandatory capability tests will be very hard to enforce as the Restricted Breeds Act isnt enforced in many parts of the country. In a country that doesn't even have a modern Animal Welfare Act it will be very hard to put a system in place that suits all dog owners. I can't see Paddy next door with his 2 collies and a farm full of cows doing a suitability test, can you?

Yes, banning/restricting only heightens the attraction.

I'm off now to another round of kennel cleaning, I am very interested to see opinions on this matter, so I am looking forward to this thread in the evening.

crotalus667 · 17-04-2010 3:16pm

EGAR wrote: »

Crotalus, we do not have a DDA (Dangerous Dogs Act) in Ireland, it's only in the UK, it's called Restricted Breeds Act in Ireland..

I know putting dd was just a reflex

EGAR wrote: »

And why replace it with something?..

Stupid owners need to be delt with

EGAR wrote: »

we are fighting a losing battle.

One man and his rifel can hold up an army , it's not over untill the last man falls

EGAR wrote: »

Mandatory capability tests will be very hard to enforce as the Restricted Breeds Act isnt enforced in many parts of the country. .

A garda unit in each county needs to be put in charge of enforcement (with a lot more than the threat of 6 months to back them up)

EGAR wrote: »

In a country that doesn't even have a modern Animal Welfare Act it will be very hard to put a system in place that suits all dog owners. I can't see Paddy next door with his 2 collies and a farm full of cows doing a suitability test, can you?.

Well we need to get a modern Animal Welfare Act , as for paddy's collies they would be working dogs and excempt

EGAR wrote: »

Yes, banning/restricting only heightens the attraction.

and now we have the data to back up what every one has been saying all along

EGAR wrote: »

I'm off now to another round of kennel cleaning,g.

Have fun

morganafay · 17-04-2010 3:56pm

That's so sad and horrible. Springers are usually lovely dogs but I heard that some of them carry the "cocker spaniel rage" gene, since they were originally the same dog. It's much more rare in Springers. Or maybe the owners didn't socialise it properly. Either way a young child shouldn't be let alone with a dog. I don't know what age this child was, but I don't think a young child should ever be unsupervised with any dog . . .

The only dog I've ever been bitten by was a Staffie, and in fairness it was attacking my dogs and I just got in the way, so it was more dog aggressive than people aggressive. And I blame the owners, since it wasn't fenced into its garden, and its ears were cropped so I can only assume that they don't care if it's vicious. And the owner heard the fight/attack and came out and called the dog into the yard (after the fight was over) and didn't even say sorry to me or anything.

But I've had lots of other dogs try when I've been grooming them, mostly male Westies, and unneutered. But they were usually pretty matted and getting the mats out hurts them. And also nervous dogs like unsocialised collies, GSD's, and crosses, that live on farms and are lovely to people they know but scared of strangers. So if those dogs were neutered/socialised, then there probably wouldn't have been a problem.

Son Of A Vidic · 17-04-2010 10:02pm

As the OP said, most of the media bias is totally centered on certain breeds, which of course is ridiculous. I personally have found spaniels to be ill-tempered and not predictable around kids. No matter what, it boils down to the owner at the end of the day. A 'pack' can only have one Alpha Male and female and a properly trained dog that knows its position within the home, will be a well balanced, safe and dependable dog.

fatmammycat · 18-04-2010 5:41am

The last time we had elections here I asked the 'candidate' who called around what they might do about the RB act and I've never seen a man run off a doorway as fast. Newspapers are not even SLIGHTLY interested in being fair and balanced about dogs. The largest settlement in this country for a dog bite was made against a collie in wicklow, are THEY classed as 'devil' dogs? Of course not.
I wonder what ever happened to that dog who was seized in N Ireland, Bruce I think his name was, poor animal.

lrushe · 18-04-2010 11:45am

I can totally relate to the 'banging your head of a brick wall' feeling. I feel like a parrot repeating the same thing over and over and getting now where. I am so sorry to hear about the poor child getting mauled, even if it does prove that any breed can be a culprit it pains me to hear of a child paying the price of an adults negligence, negligence caused because people have been given this 'good' dog 'bad' dog list ie. if your dog is on the restricted list its a 'bad' dog but if its not its a 'good' dog and therefore ok to leave with children.
I am in the lucky position in that I've never been bitten despite having dogs for 30 years. As a child my dad bred and trained GSDs and dobermen for security and I was always taught to have respect for dogs, not to pull out of them, not to touch their food etc., skills alot of children aren't taught.
I've had restricted breeds of my own for the past 16 years who I train and socialise with avengance, my dogs will literally shadow me whenever I go out for the first year and then as much as possible after that. The interesting thing I've noticed in the last week since I've started putting a dogmatic collar on my Rottie is not no one stops to complìment her anymore as they precieve it to be a muzzle and therefore that she is vicious which make me sad because she doens't understand why people don't stop to rub her anymore, how can this beneift socialising a dog???

ppink · 18-04-2010 12:43pm

I muzzle our 2 GSD's out in public but i have to say it never puts people off them. we had them in killarney national park and several people asked us could they rub them and could their kids rub them. they all realised the muzzles were on because it is the law. maybe it was just a good day!

I fully agree with deed not breed however I would be in two minds as to whether abolishing the restricted breeds act would be a good thing or not. certainly it cannot be wiped without putting something in place to ensure the owners of all animals are responsible.

sheenadeegan · 18-04-2010 3:50pm

EGAR wrote: »

This will make interesting reading for anyone concerned about dog bite statistics:

http://www.ucd.ie/news/0710_october/081007_dog_bite.html

I think that alot of owners of non banned breeds are just too relaxed because their dogs arnt banned they can let them roam freely and do as they please. I live in the countryside and our neighburs about half a mile up the road have labs and a ger. shepard, who roam freely. my dad is a farmer and last year had to beat one of the labs off a sheep with a stick while his owner watched from the road! A few times the dogs came into our yard and attacked our dogs but not enough to report if you get me! same as the sheep it wasnt cut or marked but shaken. About 4 months back i was riding a young horse i was working with up the road and i seen the owner walking with the 3 dogs and some kids, the horse began to spook when the dogs started barking, he turned around and started trotting back towards home, when i looked down beside me there were the 3 dogs leads swing behind them frothing at the mouth nipping my horse who was in full canter up the road out of control and i could barley control him. if i was a novice rider i would have def. fell and possible gotten my foot stuck in the stirrup and maybe dragged!! it was a terrifying experience for us both. but to make matters worse, when i managed to stop the horse and dismount i led him by the owner who was now holding the dogs. who had leads but it seemed they got away or were let go, when i passed they were let off again and attacked my almost yearling who was grazing in the field!!!

Latchy · 18-04-2010 6:02pm

Another dog / child horror story to add to the list

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/04/18/18-month-old-girl-killed-by-family-dog-115875-22193240/

Discodog · 18-04-2010 6:45pm

The impetuous is towards increasing breed specific legislation not removing it. A UK style ban is very likely in Ireland at some time in the future. There is an increasing view that dog owners should have public liability insurance.

In the UK whenever a child is attacked, as happened very recently, there are increasing calls to make dog legislation tougher. There is also the fear of litigation if a government or local authority is seen to not act.

I personally believe that no dog should ever be left alone with children. I meet kids all the time & there is a big difference between those that know my dogs & those that don't.

Kids can easily be too bold with a nervous dog or too nervous of dogs. Either can send the wrong signal. Parents should make a lot more effort. Children are going to meet strange dogs at some time so it is better for the parents to teach the children how to interact. Of course many parents would not know themselves. This should be on the national curriculum.

antomagoo · 19-04-2010 4:47pm

I would like to make a point on the muzziling of dogs. I am not a dog owner but we are in the process of hopefully adopting a dog. I have a fair bit of experience with dogs both big and small. Recently we were minding a male rottie who we always muzzled when out walking.

There is a couple who walk their dogs in the area, a boxer and a fairly big lab. We would always get the rottie to sit when other dogs walked past instead of letting him pull towards the other dogs. So when this couple were passing with their dogs we got the rottie to sit but the boxer and the lab went nuts as they passed him and pulled their owners towards him who clearly having a hard time keeping the 2 dogs under control. The rottie never even flinched. We had the rottie standing beside us and not out in front facing the the other dogs. Now I dont know what set the 2 dogs off, maybe it was the "energy" of the rottie. And I've seen these dogs out walking (always on leash) with their owners and they seem fine. What really got me was as they walked on past the owners tutted and looked at us as if to say "what do you think you are at walking a dog like that?".

My point is the rottie was muzzled and the other 2 were not. If they had of broke free from their owners and got at the rottie what kind of damage would they have done to him? They were not just looking for a sniff they were definitely pulling in a very aggressive manner. I dont how we would have gone explaining to his owner that the dog had been savaged by a boxer and a lab, two by all accounts "friendly" dogs

crotalus667 · 19-04-2010 5:14pm

Latchy wrote: »

Another dog / child horror story to add to the list

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/04/18/18-month-old-girl-killed-by-family-dog-115875-22193240/

It is now belived to be an american bulldog not a mastiff

lisar201 · 20-04-2010 4:13pm

My point is the rottie was muzzled and the other 2 were not. If they had of broke free from their owners and got at the rottie what kind of damage would they have done to him? They were not just looking for a sniff they were definitely pulling in a very aggressive manner. I dont how we would have gone explaining to his owner that the dog had been savaged by a boxer and a lab, two by all accounts "friendly" dogs[/QUOTE]

that is exactly my point when my rottie is muzzled what happens if she gets attack by another(s) dogs that aren't muzzled how would she defen herself?or worse if something happened me how would she protect me?My dog is purely a pet but I also have her to make sure I'm alrite when out walking by myself

duracell_bunny · 28-04-2010 2:46pm

lrushe wrote: »

The interesting thing I've noticed in the last week since I've started putting a dogmatic collar on my Rottie is not no one stops to complìment her anymore as they precieve it to be a muzzle and therefore that she is vicious which make me sad because she doens't understand why people don't stop to rub her anymore, how can this beneift socialising a dog???

I love all dogs but rotties have a special place in my heart. Whenever I see someone walking one I want to go over and ask can I rub them. If I meet a rottie when I'm out walking my dog, the owner usually drags their dog out of the way of mine almost apologetic for having a rottie. I wish I could just say "no need to do that on my account, I don't agreed with the rb thing". I met a rottie outside the vets once and asked the guy if I could give his dog a rub. He looked at me like I was insane - he obviously didn't get asked that much! To me they are just giant teddybears - I think they are one of the most cuddable dogs ever.

meathstevie · 30-04-2010 9:57pm

duracell_bunny wrote: »

I love all dogs but rotties have a special place in my heart. Whenever I see someone walking one I want to go over and ask can I rub them. If I meet a rottie when I'm out walking my dog, the owner usually drags their dog out of the way of mine almost apologetic for having a rottie. I wish I could just say "no need to do that on my account, I don't agreed with the rb thing". I met a rottie outside the vets once and asked the guy if I could give his dog a rub. He looked at me like I was insane - he obviously didn't get asked that much! To me they are just giant teddybears - I think they are one of the most cuddable dogs ever.

You might be overdoing it a bit now

but from experience I'd agree with you that they're quite a sociable dog in general. Would want to piss one off on his own territory though.

H123 · 09-05-2010 1:34pm

I would never own one of the restricted breeds simply because of the law and not wanting to unnecessarily muzzle my dog. I often walk in locations where off leash is fine, and the most problematic dogs are untrained labs, boxers and little have a go terriers. Why people are allowed to own large and boisterous dogs and yet not school them is madness. My great dane is often put on her back by boxers or labs, even jack russells! - she is very soft. I have been crashed into and jumped up on by mad labs. Many owners of these dogs have no verbal recall of them. One male lab kept coming back after my dog and trying to mate her (she's neutered!) and all the owner could say was she must be coming into heat and I should not have her out! He should have had his dog leashed! Just because the dog does not fight they see no problem letting them run wild.

I don't agree with muzzles but will use them when necessary. I have had to muzzle dogs for various reasons in particular my terrier. He does not like the vet and one of our neighbours dogs so is muzzled when required. The moral of the tale is make sure your dog is trained, keep him under control around children and make sure your insurance is up to date just in case!

And anyone with small kids, please don't let your children come running up to any dog and try to pat him on the head. Most dogs dislike being patted on the head - they can interpret this as an attack- and certainly by strange little people so they are putting themselves in danger. Ask the owners permission for the child to approach and make sure they go in from under the chin not over the head. Let the dog sniff your hand before actually touching. My Dane is very unusual looking, they all think its a dalmatian because of the colouring. As a small puppy she was terrified of children, and tried to run away if they came over. She had a bad experience when younger when a few young boys ran screaming at her for "fun". Now she is better after much hard work and socialising but I still make sure they approach gently. No screaming or shouting. She has never even growled but she is nervous and parents should realise that its not fair to either the dog or owner to let your child scare her. If she was inclined to protect herself she could do bad damage without meaning to. And its life or death for her, one mistake and she is toast. Parents don't seem to realise this when they fail to keep their offspring under control.

Child Mauled by Dog

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