Spinning for Brown Trout on Lough Corrib

too late now, season closed. in my honest opinion spinning for troutr on corrib should be either banned orcatch and release only. i have done it myself but stocks are crashing hard and wrfb are afraid to admit it..............

What have happened stocks coolhands? My brother in law loves fishing there but I havent had the chance yet. Is it gone that bad?

lads ...lets be honest, even at its peak is spinning that effective on corrib???
maybe for perch but nice trout?? if you know where to go please reply as i've had some terrible lean times up there and have tried all methods, fly(wet and dry) dapping, trolling all sorts of stuff and spinning but alas if the trout aren't on they simply are very difficult to catch. have found this year that they may only come on for half an hour a day and you'd just wanna be lucky... :eek:

European paper on it, if gill netting pike and artificial hatcheries were stopped , trout population would be wiped out in a few years.

WRITTEN QUESTION E-0474/01
by Erik Meijer (GUE/NGL) to the Commission
(21 February 2001)
Subject: Freshwater fishing in Ireland: ongoing disturbance of the natural balance in the Western Lakes Region

1. Can the Commission confirm that, in the Western Lakes System in Ireland - which consists of Lough Corrib in County Galway and Lough Mask and Lough Carra in County Mayo and the associated rivers in the western region, together with Lough Arrow in County Sligo in north-west Ireland - the number of trout and salmon has declined sharply over the past 20 years or so?
2. Can the Commission also confirm that that decline in numbers is a consequence of the canalisation of natural watercourses and of the reclamation and draining of areas in the direct vicinity of the lakes and the associated river systems, with the result that there is now less space for fish swimming up rapidly flowing streams?
3. To what extent is the continuing decline in trout numbers also a consequence of pollution by phosphates of agricultural and domestic origin, of overgrazing by sheep on neighbouring hills, of acidification as a result of the planting of conifers on slopes which drain into the lakes region, of erosion and as a result of encroachment on spawning grounds in rivers and of the fact that many game anglers, contrary to international custom, do not throw back the fish they catch but kill and eat them?
4. In the period since European subsidies began to be granted in 1996, what has been done to improve water quality and restore spawning grounds with a view to protecting trout stocks in the lakes referred to in point 1?
5. Is the Commission aware that European subsidies have been used for the deployment of gillnets, the main objective of which is to catch pike between February and the end of April in the shallow spawning grounds where they gather to breed?
6. Can the Commission confirm that trout, perch, whitefish, otters, diving waterfowl and other animals living in, on and near to the lakes also get caught up in these gillnets and that some of them die a painful death after vainly struggling for hours to free themselves?
7. Is such use of gillnets, which upset the balance of nature, compatible with the status of specially protected area under the Wild Birds Directive?

Answer given by Mr Barnier on behalf of the Commission
(7 June 2001)

1. According to the information received from the WRFB, the stock surveys of Loughs Corrib, Mask and Carra in 1996 indicated to different degrees that the wild brown trout stock was not optimal and that pike (an introduced species) stocks particularly in Lough Corrib were very significant. The scientific advice was that several measures were needed to ensure that stocks improve. These were as follows: to repair feeder and nursery streams and their habitat; to control and eliminate pollution sources; to reduce the stock of predatory non-indigenous species. Salmon stocks are subjected to different pressures in the marine environment.
As indicated by the NWRFB, insofar as Lough Arrow is concerned, a fish stock survey carried out in 1994 revealed a 50 % reduction in stocks of wild trout compared with similar surveys in 1979-1980.
2. As per the WRFB, the canalisation of rivers and streams reduced fish numbers in feeder streams. This aspect of engineering works was a target of the development programme and considerable work has ensured that previously drained channels are now producing considerable numbers of trout and salmon fry and parr. There is ample space for trout and fast flowing water is necessary for salmon parr production.
According to the NWRFB, in the case of Lough Arrow, the decline was not attributed to canalisation of natural watercourses and the reclamation and draining of areas in the direct vicinity of the lakes and associated rivers systems. The decline was attributed to increased pike stocks and poor quality habitat in many of the inflowing streams. The development project set out to address the habitat problem. The increasing of pike control activities was not funded under Community programme.
3. The WRFB maintains that the decline in trout numbers has been reversed by the development works undertaken under the programme. Overgrazing and afforestation can put additional pressures on a salmonid catchment, the overall plan addresses these aspects as well as the issue of the predatory fish species in the lakes. The fact that anglers, many of them local people, have always fished for trout on these lakes is part of the cultural heritage of the West of Ireland. These people have always caught and eaten the fish as part of their diet. In addition the Fisheries Board in question is actively promoting catch and release of trout by anglers.
According to the NWRFB, with the exception of overgrazing by sheep, all of the factors outlined may have contributed to the reduced trout stocks on Lough Arrow.
Agri-environment measures in the rural development plans aim to encourage farmers to respect good farming practices, to remunerate them when they go beyond these practices and to reduce the pollution, mainly in nitrates. They also include actions to reduce density of animals.
4. According to the information provided by the WRFB, in any areas where water quality problems have been identified, remedial measures are being actively pursued. The development plan 1996-1999 was focused on stream development and the vast majority of the funding was invested in maximising trout production. Spawning and nursery grounds were restored where necessary and the result has achieved its objective with enormous increases in juvenile trout numbers in developed stretches of rivers. This is supported by a vast amount of scientific information gathered, both before development, and after development on fish stock numbers and compared against the necessary controls, etc.
The operational programme for tourism was aimed at restoring spawning grounds with a view to protecting trout stocks in Lough Arrow. Responsibility for water quality in the lake rests primarily with Sligo and Roscommon County Councils and with the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). The Fisheries Board has only very limited powers in relation to water quality issues. For example, it may bring prosecutions in respect of specific offences but it has virtually no powers in regard to preventive measures. The Board does, however, carry out pollution inspections on a regular basis in the Lough Arrow catchment with view to identifying specific problems and these are dealt with as appropriate. A much wider programme, involving the local authorities, EPA, farming community etc. is desirable and should be spearheaded by the local authorities.
5. As indicated by the WRFB, the introduced pike species must be controlled as has been clearly demonstrated by the scientific advisors to the programme. Pike are caught and removed and where possible transferred alive to non-salmonid waters by different methods including drum nets, gill nets and electro-fishing. Insofar as Lough Arrow is concerned, Community subsidies have not been used for the deployment of gill nets for the catching of pike.
6. As stated by the WRFB, the gill nets are designed to catch pike and perch, the careful placing of the nets ensures that any by-catch is minimised. Other animals would only rarely be caught. The timing of placement and the locations used are designed to minimise the possibility of catching anything other than
the target species. The number of wild foul caught is minuscule, even compared to the number of wild foul taken by the pike alone. As stated above, Community subsided gill nets are not used on Lough Arrow.
7. According to the WRFB, the balance of nature in Loughs Corrib, Mask and Carra was upset by the introduction of pike. Current efforts are to try and maintain the indigenous species in these lakes. These lakes are of enormous importance as one of the last refugees of fast growing wild brown trout in alkaline waters and need to be maintained as salmonid waters. This is also the desire of the vast majority of Irish people who have lived and grown up in this area and for whom the lake, and wild brown trout in particular, is part of their heritage.
In the NWRFB's view the use of gill nets does not upset the balance of nature. Gill nets are used to control pike that are not a native species. They are removed by gill nets because they prey on trout, which are a native species.

guys i did 75 days on sheelin and corrib and ennell this year .
does no one think that pollution is a huge factor on fishing and the number of trout showing .
We are very naive if we think that pollution is still not flowing in to all these lakes , and in return the trout feed on the masses of pupae , bloodworm , nymphs, etc that thrive in polluted waters , why would you come up for a slice of bread on top when you have steak on the bottom .
Just because there are no trout showing does not mean they are not there .
A lot of anglers will turn up on a lake and give it a few hours and if nothing shows , they presume that there are no fish feeding or there are no fish in it , i had 5 fish on the 4th august on ennell (miracle) during the day when no fish showed (all returned), last week on sheelin i had 4 fish over 3 days from 3lb 9ozs to 5lbs 4ozs when nothing showed bar a few stockies .
I agree with ironbluedun , we need to go lighter on our leaders and copolymers and iv gone down to 2lb BS this year , caught and released 11 fish on ennell during the peter on ennell this year , , saw massive rises of fish on corrib to caenis between 5 am and 7 am during summer , and massive rise of fish in a flat calm to shiny blacks in castletown on corrib , any attempt to fish them would have put them down , if you want to catch fish change your tactics and put in the hours , they are there , but you have to figure it out

well done anglingcharts , knew i wasnt seeing things;), ballycurrin bay i see , ballynalty held lot ofc fish this year as did castletown as i mentioned earlier .

lot of roach around ill agree with u there trevor ,,

was really disappointed by new stock survey, native brown trout are in trouble. roach have stabilised but perch seem to be causing huge problems.