M7 - Naas/Newbridge Bypass Upgrade [Junction 9a now open]

tastyt · 20-07-2018 11:00pm

When is it due to finish? You guys reckon its on target??

marno21 · 20-07-2018 11:26pm

CeilingFly wrote: »

There are approximately 30,000 "movements" a day on that section.

The works started 200 days ago.

That's circa 6 MILLION movements

230ish out of 6 Million

Put it another way, how many people do you know that got 5 numbers in the lottery in the last 2 months - same odds.

Keep reasonable speed for the conditions pertaining at the time you are driving and you'll be fine.

Have you got the 1995 traffic figures?

The average volume through that section was 70,000 per day in 2017, no data for 2018 because the counters have been removed as part of the works

The works as you say have been ongoing for 200 days so there has been 14 million movements through the area since work began.

With this in mind, there has been 237 caught out of approx 14 million journeys, probability of getting caught is 0.0000169, or 1 in every 59,071 vehicles is caught

If every person in Naas drove the length of the scheme and back again there is still a chance that no one would get caught, such are the low odds.

CeilingFly · 20-07-2018 11:31pm

marno21 wrote: »

Have you got the 1995 traffic figures?

With this in mind, there has been 237 caught out of approx 14 million journeys, probability of getting caught is 0.0000169, or 1 in every 59,071 vehicles is caught

Whoops - was thinking one way.

So basically you have a better chance of getting 5 numbers in the lottery than getting a speeding ticket.

But in saying that, every mention of a driver being stopped is because they were doing over 120kmh

So a reasonable and safe speed pertaining to the conditions at the time you are driving will not see a ticket

pad199207 · 21-07-2018 12:46pm

Curious to know will Junction 9 be changed in any way? The lane drop gain feature will obviously be omitted.
What will the lane layouts be like on the slip roads? How many lanes etc?

_Kaiser_ · 21-07-2018 1:05pm

Patww79 wrote: »

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Because it's better to use some common sense and drive appropriate to the conditions (traffic, surface, weather, time of day) than blindly going by whatever the limit is (whether it be 60 km/h, or 80 km/h on some back road with grass in the middle).

I accept that there's idiots doing dangerous and ridiculous speeds on this stretch and they should be caught and prosecuted for sure.. but this holier-than-thou blinkered "but..but.. they are over the limit... speed kills" attitude ignores the reality and is far more dangerous on the roads IMO.

OldMrBrennan83 · 21-07-2018 1:12pm

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sea12 · 21-07-2018 1:45pm

CeilingFly wrote: »

And your experience of drainage systems and road engineering is????????

I just cannot understand the whining posts of some people - maybe ask for information of the drainage rather that do a whining post especially when you have zero experience in the field. There are plenty of experienced people on these threads, but they tend to respond to reasonable queries than a whine

And you think that they can widen the road and then simply bolt on the two ne junctions later? Seriously?

Ceeling fly I don't know if you work directly for the company building the project or are part of the design team. You seem to take any criticism of the project very personal. Beny79 is just putting across the views of 100's is us commuters who are frustrated st the slow build of a fairly straight forward project. It is extremely frustrating to see finishing up at 5 pm when they could have two shifts on now during summer to quicken the pace. That road is pure carnage outside of summer months and anything to help reduce that should have been done

markpb · 21-07-2018 1:57pm

sea12 wrote: »

Ceeling fly I don't know if you work directly for the company building the project or are part of the design team. You seem to take any criticism of the project very personal

They don't have to be involved in the project to be annoyed at the barstool experts that populate boards. The chances are the none of the people complaining here know anthing about civil engineers. They have no idea if the construction is going according to schedule or not. They have no valid comparison.

Of course it could be possible to build the project in half the time but at a multiple of the cost. There's a balance between the two that the state has to achieve. What other projects should be cancelled or delayed to make this one faster?

CeilingFly · 21-07-2018 2:48pm

sea12 wrote: »

Ceeling fly I don't know if you work directly for the company building the project or are part of the design team. You seem to take any criticism of the project very personal. Beny79 is just putting across the views of 100's is us commuters who are frustrated st the slow build of a fairly straight forward project. It is extremely frustrating to see finishing up at 5 pm when they could have two shifts on now during summer to quicken the pace. That road is pure carnage outside of summer months and anything to help reduce that should have been done

Absolutely no connection whatsoever. I've no formal training in engineering either and zero experience of driving machinery.

But I don't pretend to and I don't make unsubstantiated comments about the works or whine about something I haven't a clue about

You say its frustrating seeing them finish at 5pm - but are you driving by at 6am watching them start work? I guess not.

A two shift system sounds idyllic, but you need two full teams and then hope both teams are on the same page (same with any project - not just roads)

And they do work nights when the job requires additional lane closures so that there are two lanes open from 6am to 10pm each day which minimises obstruction to motorists.

But those making sweeping whines without any knowledge whatsoever deserve to be called out. Whereas those asking questions without making assumptions seem to get their questions answered

As for being on time, they are ahead of schedule if a person in Kerry group is to be believed.

sea12 · 22-07-2018 9:13am

You say its frustrating seeing them finish at 5pm - but are you driving by at 6am watching them start work? I guess not.

well I pass by there at 6.30 three mornings s week and at 8am 2 mornings a week and no they don't be starting working at 6. Eight o clock is the starting time for the main workforce including digger drivers etc

The point I am making is that they should be utilising all day light hours during summer even if it does cost more. It is one of the busiest and most important roads in the country. And there will be huge tail backs on this road again in September for another year. This time could be reduced

CeilingFly · 22-07-2018 10:48am

sea12 wrote: »

You say its frustrating seeing them finish at 5pm - but are you driving by at 6am watching them start work? I guess not.

well I pass by there at 6.30 three mornings s week and at 8am 2 mornings a week and no they don't be starting working at 6. Eight o clock is the starting time for the main workforce including digger drivers etc

The point I am making is that they should be utilising all day light hours during summer even if it does cost more. It is one of the busiest and most important roads in the country. And there will be huge tail backs on this road again in September for another year. This time could be reduced

So in winter they should only work 9am to 4pm?

I'm working a stone's throw from them - I'm in the office at 6.30 many mornings. They are working on the new ramps, the car park beside Merlin is fairly full too and many are probably in daily meetings.

Remember, no matter what the project, preparation is the key - even on a daily basis. Same in my business - a 15-20 daily meeting each day ensures a far more productive day than just going about the work.

On a large project, you need a full team working together - extend the hours and you need two full teams. Then you need both teams to be working on the same page. Sounds easy. Its not, and the benefits probably are not there.

Look at large private built projects. They also don't work two shifts and they want schemes finished as fast as possible. It simple does not make sense from either a management or logistical point of view.

Maybe someone with project management experience of a large infrastructural project is here and can give more info.

sea12 · 22-07-2018 12:16pm

CeilingFly wrote: »

So in winter they should only work 9am to 4pm?

I'm working a stone's throw from them - I'm in the office at 6.30 many mornings. They are working on the new ramps, the car park beside Merlin is fairly full too and many are probably in daily meetings.

Remember, no matter what the project, preparation is the key - even on a daily basis. Same in my business - a 15-20 daily meeting each day ensures a far more productive day than just going about the work.

On a large project, you need a full team working together - extend the hours and you need two full teams. Then you need both teams to be working on the same page. Sounds easy. Its not, and the benefits probably are not there.

Look at large private built projects. They also don't work two shifts and they want schemes finished as fast as possible. It simple does not make sense from either a management or logistical point of view.

Maybe someone with project management experience of a large infrastructural project is here and can give more info.

Still disagree with you. It's very common in lots of projects and even manufacturing where you have shift workers sometimes 3 shifts. All it takes is planning.

i was in turkey recently where they are building the new airport in Istanbul. The level of activity, planning and progress they are making is incredible. And they don't won't 8-5.

CeilingFly · 22-07-2018 12:57pm

sea12 wrote: »

Still disagree with you. It's very common in lots of projects and even manufacturing where you have shift workers sometimes 3 shifts. All it takes is planning.

i was in turkey recently where they are building the new airport in Istanbul. The level of activity, planning and progress they are making is incredible. And they don't won't 8-5.

Manufacturing - yes as its mostly automated and you can have 2 /3 long term teams following a very set procedure. Some manufacturing is so automated that you need just a handful of people to be there (the entire Heinz bean manufacturing plant that works on a 24/7 basis and produces the worldwide production has less than 200 employees and many of them are specialised computer technicians).

But large infrastructural projects it is far more difficult and quite rare. Very easy to find one project somewhere in the world, but just a quick look at an overall picture and you'll find it quite rare.

sea12 · 22-07-2018 7:17pm

CeilingFly wrote: »

Manufacturing - yes as its mostly automated and you can have 2 /3 long term teams following a very set procedure. Some manufacturing is so automated that you need just a handful of people to be there (the entire Heinz bean manufacturing plant that works on a 24/7 basis and produces the worldwide production has less than 200 employees and many of them are specialised computer technicians).

But large infrastructural projects it is far more difficult and quite rare. Very easy to find one project somewhere in the world, but just a quick look at an overall picture and you'll find it quite rare.

You were implying it couldn't be done. I gave examples of how working ****s can be done. Istanbul airport is only one example. Plenty more available. Perhaps the traffic doesn't affect you but for those of us that it does it still remains very frustrating at the opportunity lost over the summer months. Anyway think we will have to agree to disagree

JohnC. · 22-07-2018 7:59pm

Istanbul airport probably isn't the best example, with probably dozens killed there. It's easy to power through stuff when you ignore little details like safety.

sea12 · 22-07-2018 8:55pm

JohnC. wrote: »

Istanbul airport probably isn't the best example, with probably dozens killed there. It's easy to power through stuff when you ignore little details like safety.

"With probably dozens killed there"

Do you know that for a fact or just lazy assumptions. No reason you can't have two shifts working in Ireland and still keep all Health and safety regulations required.

CeilingFly · 22-07-2018 9:08pm

sea12 wrote: »

"With probably dozens killed there"

Do you know that for a fact or just lazy assumptions. No reason you can't have two shifts working in Ireland and still keep all Health and safety regulations required.

Poster was incorrect.

The real figure is "hundreds" not just a few dozen.

In excess of 400 deaths on the construction of the airport.

sea12 · 23-07-2018 9:27am

CeilingFly wrote: »

Poster was incorrect.

The real figure is "hundreds" not just a few dozen.

In excess of 400 deaths on the construction of the airport.

I accept that but that is down to heath and safety standards not the ptincipal of working two shifts which is what I'm advocating should be done on the naas road

CeilingFly · 23-07-2018 1:01pm

sea12 wrote: »

I accept that but that is down to heath and safety standards not the ptincipal of working two shifts which is what I'm advocating should be done on the naas road

But that was the example you gave.

Very difficult to see examples elsewhere - not even the massive new London tube tunnel operated a two shift system nor the Big Dig in boston (which went on for 10 years)

Too many variables when you have two shifts on a very manual project like this and in any case two lanes are always kept open - only problem is when some eejit has the eye off the road and shunts another car and causes a tailback.

gilly0512 · 23-07-2018 1:39pm

CeilingFly wrote: »

sea12 wrote: »

Ceeling fly I don't know if you work directly for the company building the project or are part of the design team. You seem to take any criticism of the project very personal. Beny79 is just putting across the views of 100's is us commuters who are frustrated st the slow build of a fairly straight forward project. It is extremely frustrating to see finishing up at 5 pm when they could have two shifts on now during summer to quicken the pace. That road is pure carnage outside of summer months and anything to help reduce that should have been done

Absolutely no connection whatsoever. I've no formal training in engineering either and zero experience of driving machinery.

But I don't pretend to and I don't make unsubstantiated comments about the works or whine about something I haven't a clue about

You say its frustrating seeing them finish at 5pm - but are you driving by at 6am watching them start work? I guess not.

A two shift system sounds idyllic, but you need two full teams and then hope both teams are on the same page (same with any project - not just roads)

And they do work nights when the job requires additional lane closures so that there are two lanes open from 6am to 10pm each day which minimises obstruction to motorists.

But those making sweeping whines without any knowledge whatsoever deserve to be called out. Whereas those asking questions without making assumptions seem to get their questions answered

As for being on time, they are ahead of schedule if a person in Kerry group is to be believed.

They are possibly ahead of schedule if you base it upon the fact that the delivery time for this project was far too big in the first place, so on that basis they must be flying. I am not a civil engineer either, but lets be honest this is not any major feat of engineering, it's adding an extra lane to an existing motorway, and should have been scheduled at 18 months tops.

WhatsGoingOn2 · 23-07-2018 1:43pm

I heard from someone that works on the site that they are approx 10 weeks behind schedule

CeilingFly · 23-07-2018 1:59pm

WhatsGoingOn2 wrote: »

I heard from someone that works on the site that they are approx 10 weeks behind schedule

I never have and never will believe the "a worker on site" line in regard to anything.

That type of delay would be nigh on impossible considering that the snow only caused a few days disruption and the conditions have been near perfect since.

And large specialist construction firms do not get timeframes out by such level unless some major unforeseen issue arises and you can be sure such issue would be all over the local and national media.

So I call that BS from the "worker onsite"

NedNew2 · 23-07-2018 5:23pm

Can we please stop with the aggressive condemnation of other members posts? This is a discussion forum where opinions are to be welcomed. This is not an online encyclopaedia.

It's getting very tiresome.

jmkennedyie · 23-07-2018 7:54pm

WhatsGoingOn2 wrote: »

I heard from someone that works on the site that they are approx 10 weeks behind schedule

I heard that the unexpected pipework they came across was a significant unforeseen complication

Be well and win · 24-07-2018 12:02pm

CeilingFly wrote: »

There are approximately 30,000 "movements" a day on that section.

The works started 200 days ago.

That's circa 6 MILLION movements

230ish out of 6 Million

Put it another way, how many people do you know that got 5 numbers in the lottery in the last 2 months - same odds.

Keep reasonable speed for the conditions pertaining at the time you are driving and you'll be fine.

I've seen speed cameras late at night on the Southbound lane.

beertons · 24-07-2018 3:37pm

Good bit of night work happening this week. Both sides down to 1 lane.

marno21 · 27-07-2018 1:26am

60km/h speed limit to be extended to J11 M9 from 6am Saturday as per AA Roadwatch

The M7 will be busier than normal this weeksnd with Clare, Limerick and Cork all playing in Croke Park this weekend

barneygumble99 · 27-07-2018 2:45am

marno21 wrote: »

60km/h speed limit to be extended to J11 M9 from 6am Saturday as per AA Roadwatch

The M7 will be busier than normal this weeksnd with Clare, Limerick and Cork all playing in Croke Park this weekend

They re-lined the hard shoulder between J9 and J10 in the last few days, making the width of the hard shoulder slightly wider like they did between J8 and J9 before the world started. I’m assuming they going to be working in the next mainline section in the near future so.

NedNew2 · 30-07-2018 5:30pm

The contractor is aiming to have the mainline works completed by March 2019.

http://www.m7upgrade.com/

Very heavy traffic and delays over the weekend due to the extended 60 km/h zone.

CeilingFly · 30-07-2018 6:05pm

NedNew2 wrote: »

The contractor is aiming to have the mainline works completed by March 2019.

http://www.m7upgrade.com/

Very heavy traffic and delays over the weekend due to the extended 60 km/h zone.

Yep, the project manager was on rte radio.

Completion of three lanes both ways end March 2019

Move to new part of road in stages. October 2018 and Dec 2018 - this to allow current lanes to be resurfaced.

So seems a lot better than envisaged.

He also said there have been no delays.

AugustusMinimus · 30-07-2018 6:18pm

CeilingFly wrote: »

Yep, the project manager was on rte radio.

Completion of three lanes both ways end March 2019

Move to new part of road in stages. October 2018 and Dec 2018 - this to allow current lanes to be resurfaced.

So seems a lot better than envisaged.

He also said there have been no delays.

Does this mean there will be a phased opening of the new 3 lane segments?

pad199207 · 30-07-2018 6:41pm

NedNew2 wrote: »

The contractor is aiming to have the mainline works completed by March 2019.

http://www.m7upgrade.com/

Very heavy traffic and delays over the weekend due to the extended 60 km/h zone.

That’s fantastic news

marno21 · 31-07-2018 12:56am

CeilingFly wrote: »

Yep, the project manager was on rte radio.

Completion of three lanes both ways end March 2019

Move to new part of road in stages. October 2018 and Dec 2018 - this to allow current lanes to be resurfaced.

So seems a lot better than envisaged.

He also said there have been no delays.

When was the project manager on the radio?

CeilingFly · 31-07-2018 8:16am

marno21 wrote: »

When was the project manager on the radio?

just before 6pm yesterday evening - Rte Radio 1 drivetime

benny79 · 31-07-2018 12:17pm

I cant see it being finished by then! but here's hoping...

roadmaster · 31-07-2018 12:38pm

It just depends on what you describe as being finished. You could have all lanes open but work for months afterwords taking place on verges and sideroads

marno21 · 31-07-2018 12:45pm

roadmaster wrote: »

It just depends on what you describe as being finished. You could have all lanes open but work for months afterwords taking place on verges and sideroads

And the work will still be continuing in the two junctions and the Sallins bypass

benny79 · 31-07-2018 12:48pm

roadmaster wrote: »

It just depends on what you describe as being finished. You could have all lanes open but work for months afterwords taking place on verges and sideroads

That be fine by me! but he said the 3 lanes be finished by March next year. Considering they haven't finished them from J9 to J10 and are only starting J10 to J11 I cant see it been finished by then. But I really hope Im wrong! To me the widening of the 3 lanes are a priority!

CeilingFly · 31-07-2018 5:04pm

benny79 wrote: »

That be fine by me! but he said the 3 lanes be finished by March next year. Considering they haven't finished them from J9 to J10 and are only starting J10 to J11 I cant see it been finished by then. But I really hope Im wrong! To me the widening of the 3 lanes are a priority!

So the project manager give a verbal update on public radio giving full details and timeline and you don't believe it????

Why would a very experienced project manager go on national radio and tell a lie?

The works from jct 10 - 9 are almost finished. Putting a couple of top layers of tarmac is the quickest part of the work.

That was a 9km section. Work started in late Jan / early February. Its near finished now, 6 months later.

The remaining section is half that size and work starts in 2 weeks.

Even the lay person can easily see that the road will open by next March (8 months away) looking at current progress.

But some people will always search for a negative in everything. :mad:

_Kaiser_ · 01-08-2018 9:10am

benny79 wrote: »

That be fine by me! but he said the 3 lanes be finished by March next year. Considering they haven't finished them from J9 to J10 and are only starting J10 to J11 I cant see it been finished by then. But I really hope Im wrong! To me the widening of the 3 lanes are a priority!

I still don't see it making THAT much of a difference TBH. I'll just mean a quicker trip to the new bottleneck at the Carlow exit on one end and the M50 on the other.

The biggest issue on the N7/M50 is not the number of lanes (they already have 3) but the piss-poor driving ability of many drivers.. lane-hogging, tailgating, jumping between lanes without warning, last minute dives for exits (often standing on the brakes as they do so), undertaking to get a car length ahead, dawdling at 15-20 km/h below the limit for no reason etc etc

None of that will change when the new lanes open.. and I say that as someone who uses that road daily.

Redsoxfan · 01-08-2018 9:48am

marno21 wrote:

And the work will still be continuing in the two junctions and the Sallins bypass

Oh... I thought it was all one project? Is the 3 lane upgrade separate to the bypass and new junctions? I took him to mean that everything would be open.

tubbs26 · 01-08-2018 11:34am

Redsoxfan wrote: »

Oh... I thought it was all one project? Is the 3 lane upgrade separate to the bypass and new junctions? I took him to mean that everything would be open.

Any indications when they hope to open the Sallins junctions and by pass?

Also when the Newbridge junction will be completed?

benny79 · 01-08-2018 12:31pm

CeilingFly wrote: »

So the project manager give a verbal update on public radio giving full details and timeline and you don't believe it????

Why would a very experienced project manager go on national radio and tell a lie?

The works from jct 10 - 9 are almost finished. Putting a couple of top layers of tarmac is the quickest part of the work.

That was a 9km section. Work started in late Jan / early February. Its near finished now, 6 months later.

The remaining section is half that size and work starts in 2 weeks.

Even the lay person can easily see that the road will open by next March (8 months away) looking at current progress.

But some people will always search for a negative in everything. :mad:

Do Politicians not go on radio & TV and lie all the time?? The so called leaders of our Country! So your trying to tell me a project manager cant get it wrong?

Just a couple of layers of tarmac you say? Well I suggest you take a look the next time your passing as I drive that road twice a day and have done so the last 15 years and its far from a couple of layers of tarmac. There is still pipe to be laid unless these are leftover, there's still big pits or holes, steel is still sticking up, which I say is for support for something so concrete will have to be poured over them and there's roughly a 2 ft drop from the level of the road for most the stretch of the works.

Now maybe you have more experience than me, which is fair enough. Hence why I said I hope I'm wrong... As I'm just giving my opinion as a lay man

rameire · 01-08-2018 12:57pm

benny79 wrote: »

Do Politicians not go on radio & TV and lie all the time?? The so called leaders of our Country! So your trying to tell me a project manager cant get it wrong?

Just a couple of layers of tarmac you say? Well I suggest you take a look the next time your passing as I drive that road twice a day and have done so the last 15 years and its far from a couple of layers of tarmac. There is still pipe to be laid unless these are leftover, there's still big pits or holes, steel is still sticking up, which I say is for support for something so concrete will have to be poured over them and there's roughly a 2 ft drop from the level of the road for most the stretch of the works.

Now maybe you have more experience than me, which is fair enough. Hence why I said I hope I'm wrong... As I'm just giving my opinion as a lay man

unfortunately its not just a couple of layers of tarmac as you question.
The next stages once all cabling and pipework is complete, will be laying hardcore to raise the level of the base, to then be able to lay 3 to 4 layers of tarmac.
Then the next stage will be to move a lane of traffic onto the new layer. Or possibly what they may do is move the two eastbound lanes onto the two new lanes created, then scrape away the hard shoulder and the lane 1 from the eastbound carriageway. Relay the tarmac 3 or 4 layers to bring it up to the new layer of the new lanes, then move the eastbound back onto the new hard shoulder and lane 1. Then move the westbound hard shoulder and lane 1 onto the new two middle lanes, scrape the tarmac for the old lanes, lay new tarmac to the new level. Then move the lanes back to the hard shoulder and lane 1. Once all the above is done they will lay the central median barrier. Line the road.Then open the new lanes.
bish bash bosh.

benny79 · 01-08-2018 1:02pm

rameire wrote: »

unfortunately its not just a couple of layers of tarmac as you question.
the next stages once all cabline and pipework is complete will be laying hardcore to raise the level of the base to then be able to lay 3 to 4 layers of tarmac. Then the next stage will be to move a lane of traffic onto the new layer. or possibly what they may do is move the two eastbound lanes onto the new two lanes created then scrape away the hard shoulder and the lane 1 from the eastbound carriageway. relay the tarmac 3 or four layers to being it up to the new layer of the new lanes. then move the eastbound back onto the new hard shoulder and lane1. then move the westbound hard shoulder and lane 1 onto the new two middle lanes, scrape the tarmac for the old lanes, lay new tarmac to the new level. then, move the lanes back to the hardshoulder and lane 1. Once all the above is done then they will lay the central median barrier. line the road. then open the new lanes.
bish bash bosh.

Im not the one that said it was just a couple of layers of tarmac left to be done!

But like you say there's a lot more left. Plus they have to do all this again from the start between J10 & J11. Do you reckon they would have all this done & dusted by March? I really hope so but cant see it..

CeilingFly · 01-08-2018 1:19pm

rameire wrote: »

unfortunately its not just a couple of layers of tarmac as you question.
the next stages once all cabline and pipework is complete will be laying hardcore to raise the level of the base to then be able to lay 3 to 4 layers of tarmac. .

I was saying its just a couple of layers of tarmac for the current section to be finished - yes there's a little more to it, but in comparison to the work that has been completed its now down to the dressing part and that's relatively easy.

And if the project manager say just two days ago that it is on schedule for March 2019 completion of the mainline works, then certain posters have to accept that.

These are major international contractors. they don't give false promises just to appease people, they give real information.

Mantis Toboggan · 01-08-2018 1:27pm

Nice to hear the 3 lanes will be open in March, they're badly needed.

Was like the wild West yesterday evening, cars cutting into lanes, lads jamming on the brakes other cars tearing down the hard shoulder. I saw a car flying down the hard shoulder, a squad car pulled out to take chase but unfortunately he didn't indicate or look and ploughed straight into the car that was coming behind.

Davy · 01-08-2018 1:35pm

marno21 wrote: »

60km/h speed limit to be extended to J11 M9 from 6am Saturday as per AA Roadwatch

The layout on parts of the extended section is quite poor even at 60kph. They go in and out at the junctions. A lot of the existing white lanes partially remain which makes things worse.

soundman45 · 01-08-2018 2:06pm

One thing I find appalling is the way trucks are speeding through the works at full speed often in the right lane which is narrower. These so called professional drivers don't seem to care much about anyone around them. Is it really such a crap job that they are under such pressure to save 4 or 5 mins by doing that. Where I used give way and respect these guys I'm losing that respect by the day.

benny79 · 01-08-2018 2:48pm

Tyson Fury wrote: »

Nice to hear the 3 lanes will be open in March, they're badly needed.

Was like the wild West yesterday evening, cars cutting into lanes, lads jamming on the brakes other cars tearing down the hard shoulder. I saw a car flying down the hard shoulder, a squad car pulled out to take chase but unfortunately he didn't indicate or look and ploughed straight into the car that was coming behind.

Jesus was that what the crash was? I heard it on the news there was long delays so went the back roads. So did everyone else by the looks of things.. took me 2 hrs 15 mins to get home! :mad:

M7 - Naas/Newbridge Bypass Upgrade [Junction 9a now open]

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