Malaysian airline MH-17 discussion thread

Banjo String · 17-07-2014 4:20pm #1

Just been announced on radio.

Apparently plane has crashed near the Russian border, plane was heading to Kuala Lumpur from Amsterdam.

Close to 300 people on board.

I Heart Internet · 17-07-2014 4:22pm

Any link???

Banjo String · 17-07-2014 4:23pm

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Any link???

Fearing the worst, doesn't sound good though.

Poor souls.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10974050/Malaysian-plane-crashes-on-Ukraine-Russia-border-live.html

Interfax news agency are claiming that a Malaysian passenger plane has crashed in Ukraine, near the Russian border.

"A Boeing Malaysian Airlines that was fyling from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur began to descend about 50km before entering Russian airspace, and was subsequently found burning on the ground in Ukraine," an aviation source told Interfax.

Interfax said that 295 people were on board at the time.

Thoie · 17-07-2014 4:24pm

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17

I Heart Internet · 17-07-2014 4:25pm

Oh no!

I really hope it wasn't a mistaken Russian missile downed it!

Tabnabs · 17-07-2014 4:25pm

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/17/us-ukraine-crash-airplane-idUSKBN0FM1TU20140717

another source

Ruu · 17-07-2014 4:26pm

from rte.ie

A Malaysian passenger airliner with 295 people on board crashed in Ukraine near the Russian border, Interfax cited an aviation industry source as saying.

It said the Boeing plane was flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur.

There is no independent verification of the Interfax report.

17-07-2014 4:27pm

Thoie wrote: »

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17

Looks like it's near the Polish border, not the Russian, if that's where it's gone down.

Very sad

darkpagandeath · 17-07-2014 4:28pm

hmmm seems odd as apparently recently a Ukrainian plane went down near the border, brought down by sophisticated AA not the run of the mill stuff the separatist could use...

whiskeyman · 17-07-2014 4:28pm

Just happened after a Ukraine jet shot down yesterday.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28345039
If either party are to blame for this one, things are going to get very messy.

WilyCoyote · 17-07-2014 4:30pm

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Oh no!

I really hope it wasn't a mistaken Russian missile downed it!

Regardless, the Ukrainian military will get the blame from the Soviets.

fta93 · 17-07-2014 4:31pm

On sky now, interfax reporting it was shot down.

Banjo String · 17-07-2014 4:31pm

If true, and it's looking likely, this could have the potential to finish the airline. If it's due to mechanical or pilot error any way.

I certainly would be apprehensive of flying with them now, (rightly or wrongly)

miss no stars · 17-07-2014 4:32pm

Looking grim.

calex71 · 17-07-2014 4:33pm

Sky news, reporting Interfax news agency as saying it was shot down at an altitude of 10km (they stress it cannot be verified independently) this is a deadly serious turn if true.

I Heart Internet · 17-07-2014 4:33pm

BBC have just reported it.

Two lines is all they have.

Malaysian airliner crashes in Ukraine, near Russian border - Russian media sources

More to follow.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28354856

miss no stars · 17-07-2014 4:34pm

A lot of people emigrate by flying via Amsterdam->KL->Aus.

whiskeyman · 17-07-2014 4:36pm

miss no stars wrote: »

A lot of people emigrate by flying via Amsterdam->KL->Aus.

Yep, a lot of Europeans likely to be on this.

(not that it matters, but it's going to hit 'home' even more that other disasters...)

Banjo String · 17-07-2014 4:37pm

miss no stars wrote: »

A lot of people emigrate by flying via Amsterdam->KL->Aus.

Indeed. Did so myself a few years ago.

Ruu · 17-07-2014 4:38pm

from here http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10974050/Malaysian-plane-crashes-on-Ukraine-Russia-border-live.html

16.34 Interfax are saying that the plane was shot down.
16.28 Initial reports suggested that the flight could have been Malaysia Airlines MH17, which left Amsterdam at 12.14.
It was due to arrive in Kuala Lumpur at 06.09.
16.27 Unconfirmed reports on Twitter showed YouTube footage of a large pall of smoke in fields near Shaktersk.
http://youtu.be/48YlDSVFVMI

Rayne Wooney · 17-07-2014 4:41pm

Ukraine government saying terrorists shot the plane down, that must be some sophisticated kit to take a plane down

I Heart Internet · 17-07-2014 4:44pm

The Telegraph has this covered with footage from the scene (assuming it's genuine) emerging:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10974050/Malaysian-plane-crashes-on-Ukraine-Russia-border-live.html

Also -from their Washington Correspondent:

It's still not clear what happened to today's Malaysia Airlines flight but last night, as the US announced new sanctions on Russia, American officials suggested Russian weapons were behind the downing of a Ukrainian transport aircraft on Monday. Here's what they had to say:
"On July 14th, Ukrainians lost an An-26 transport jet, which was shot down from an altitude of 21,000 feet, with eight crew on board. And only very sophisticated weapons systems would be able to reach this height."

dmc17 · 17-07-2014 4:45pm

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Oh no!

I really hope it wasn't a mistaken Russian missile downed it!

From RTE

There are unconfirmed reports from the Ukrainian interior ministry that the airliner was shot down by a ground-to-air missile.

Mr. Incognito · 17-07-2014 4:46pm

They only people with the technology to shoot it down are the Russians.

They will immediately blame "Separatists" and annex the rest of the non-Russian Ukraine using this as an excuse.

And we'll let them.

My name is URL · 17-07-2014 4:46pm

All the shits are gonna hit all the fans if was shot down. Can't see how things possibly couldn't escalate very badly if that turns out to be what happened.

Herb Powell · 17-07-2014 4:47pm

When I first saw the headline for this, I thought they meant the plane that has been missing for months had shown up and was shot down.

This is awful.

_Redzer_ · 17-07-2014 4:49pm

Many trigger happy psychos in that part of the world. I hope shít does hit the fan, the Russians, if they are responsible, need to be brought into line regarding their aggressive attitudes.

17-07-2014 4:50pm

Am talking to my friends in Malaysia and as yet it has not been reported there.
It is a disaster for everyone affected by it as well as possibly Malaysian Airways. This could spark some terrible retribution if it was shot down.
Very sad.

miss no stars · 17-07-2014 4:50pm

My name is URL wrote: »

All the shits are gonna hit all the fans if was shot down. Can't see how things possibly couldn't escalate very badly if that turns out to be what happened.

Yeah, world tensions have been simmering for so long now. There's Syria, Thailand, Israel trying to obliterate Palestine, Crimea, there's that nutjob in North Korea and now there's the possibility that someone shot down a whole airplane full of civilians, likely to contain a large number of westerners. Not looking so dandy.

UpCork · 17-07-2014 4:51pm

Awful news

I agree, lots of Europeans on this presumably as it is the main route to AUS and the Far East

calex71 · 17-07-2014 4:54pm

BBC reporting AP had witnessed a BUK launcher in the hands of rebels today :eek:

Banjo String · 17-07-2014 4:55pm

ssaye2 wrote: »

http://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS17/history/20140717/1000Z/EHAM/WMKK/tracklog

Awful

Sorry, what am I looking at there?

darkpagandeath · 17-07-2014 4:56pm

calex71 wrote: »

BBC reporting AP had witnessed a BUK launcher in the hands of rebels today :eek:

Wonder where they got that, Not like you can go into a shop and buy one. And you need proper training to use them.

Amalgam · 17-07-2014 4:56pm

calex71 wrote: »

BBC reporting AP had witnessed a BUK launcher in the hands of rebels today :eek:

I had to ask Jeeves, Google.. Wiki sorted me out.

The Buk missile system (Russian: "Бук"; beech, /bʊk/ BOOK) is a family of self-propelled, medium-range surface-to-air missile systems developed by the former Soviet Union and Russian Federation and designed to engage cruise missiles, smart bombs, fixed- and rotary-wing aircraft, and unmanned aerial vehicles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buk_missile_system

calex71 · 17-07-2014 4:56pm

Banjo String wrote: »

Sorry, what am I looking at there?

A very sharp and a fast decent of an aircraft

Mr_Red · 17-07-2014 4:57pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTCulEzHQh4

calex71 · 17-07-2014 4:57pm

Amalgam wrote: »

I had to ask Jeeves, Google.. Wiki sorted me out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buk_missile_system

Yeah unlikely the kind of kit joe the untrained rebel could operate.

My name is URL · 17-07-2014 4:59pm

calex71 wrote: »

A very sharp and a fast decent of an aircraft

I think that 'decent' is actually the plane taking off.

It shows it climbing to and maintaining an altitude of 33,000 and then data stops being transmitted.

Thoie · 17-07-2014 4:59pm

Banjo String wrote: »

Sorry, what am I looking at there?

GPS positions, as reported by the plane. Last one at 1:13pm BST, at pretty much the same position shown in my earlier link.

http://goo.gl/maps/JebWi

who_me · 17-07-2014 4:59pm

Banjo String wrote: »

Sorry, what am I looking at there?

It's (apparently) the flight in question being tracked. Some time between 13:11 and 13:13 the feed stops - likely the plane stopped transmitting. It's a pretty cold, impersonal way of viewing hundreds of deaths.

calex71 · 17-07-2014 5:00pm

My name is URL wrote: »

I think that 'decent' is actually the plane taking off.

It shows it climbing to and maintaining an altitude of 33,000 and then data stops being transmitted.

Oh you are right I think , I read that backwards

cournioni · 17-07-2014 5:00pm

This is terrible, especially if it was shot down as some are reporting. Assuming that it was shot down from some distance, it does not give those on board much of a chance...

Beano · 17-07-2014 5:00pm

calex71 wrote: »

A very sharp and a fast decent of an aircraft

at what time? the last time shown is 13:11 and an altitude of 33000 feet.

ninja'd by another poster.

cloud493 · 17-07-2014 5:01pm

Christ, the poor sods.

IvySlayer · 17-07-2014 5:01pm

Local news reporting it was shot down

joe316 · 17-07-2014 5:01pm

God bless those poor souls.

RIP

Amalgam · 17-07-2014 5:01pm

I wonder how the US Administration and European Politicians will react to this. So many vested (economic) interests..

There are so many drawbacks to having an 'unstable' Russia, unwilling to behave normally, in the region. Really quite unsettling.

who_me · 17-07-2014 5:02pm

Watching the CNN coverage & an interview with a NTSB spokesperson, she said it was unlikely that a scheduled flight @30,000ft would be mistaken for a military aircraft.

(Amazingly, she also did have to point out that this isn't the missing Malaysian flight from several weeks ago!)

stevedublin · 17-07-2014 5:04pm

whiskeyman wrote: »

Just happened after a Ukraine jet shot down yesterday.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28345039
If either party are to blame for this one, things are going to get very messy.

The only party that should be to blame is the Malaysian pilot/flight planners.
Imagine flying over an active war zone where militiary aircraft are being shot down (one was shot down yesterday!), civilian air traffic control and military air force may not be communicating with each other (especially if on opposing sides of the war!). It may have been mistaken for a spy plane.
I mean, how stupid can you get?

JP Liz V1 · 17-07-2014 5:05pm

Stupid me thought it was the one missing for ages

God love them all RIP

My name is URL · 17-07-2014 5:05pm

Amalgam wrote: »

I wonder how the US Administration and European Politicians will react to this. So many vested (economic) interests..

There are so many drawbacks to having an 'unstable' Russia, unwilling to behave normally, in the region. Really quite unsettling.

Obama has shown himself to be completely toothless so far.. I wonder if this will change that.

Interesting and scary times ahead I'd say =/

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