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  • Registered Users Posts: 9 sheepie


    paperclip2 wrote: »
    From what you said above it looks like you should qualify under the second chance rule.
    As long as there are five clear years between the time you officially left the college and the start of your new course and as long as you didn't get any other 3rd level qualification since you left Nursing you should be ok for free fees etc. You can check with the Dept of Education Student support unit: 057 9325317. They should be able to give you a clear answer.

    thanks paperclip2 :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 25 Cactus466


    Hello everyone,

    I've been accepted into year 2 of BA(Hons) degree in NCI, Dublin. Mature student also.
    I completed a level 6 course 4 years ago with them and am very interested to see am I still eligible under the Free Fees Initiative?

    I have high hopes that I am and I have contacted the college also and am waiting to hear back but has anyone else any experience in the matter?

    Is it the college who decides who's entitled when you apply or is it a local VEC etc.

    Thanks very much.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 159 ✭✭poeticjustice


    Hi,

    Does anyone know what proof SUSI look for when applying for a grant as an independent mature student?

    I'm 26 and have been accepted to start a full time undergraduate course in September. I don't live at home. I pay rent in a shared house but don't have any bills in my name or a legal contract with the landlord.

    How can I prove that I don't live at home?

    Any help would be really appreciated.
    Thanks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭paperclip2


    Hi,

    Does anyone know what proof SUSI look for when applying for a grant as an independent mature student?

    I'm 26 and have been accepted to start a full time undergraduate course in September. I don't live at home. I pay rent in a shared house but don't have any bills in my name or a legal contract with the landlord.

    How can I prove that I don't live at home?

    Any help would be really appreciated.
    Thanks

    Maybe bank statements to your current address? You could ring the SUSI helpdesk and ask them directly:
    SUSI Support Desk:
    Email: support@susi.cdvec.ie
    Phone: 0761 08 7874
    facebook.com/susisupport


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,061 ✭✭✭damagegt


    Hello all.I have recently been accept for my fulltime college course.Im a 28 year old mature student and I havent a clue what my options are when it comes to payment.I tried the contact the studentfinance web site but there contact details are not working.I finished a 1 year vetac level 5 course last year.

    What I think I know is :
    I have 3 options to choose from.I can get one of either of these :

    1)The grant
    2)Back to education
    3)Vetac.

    Is my understanding of this correct ? Can I get more then one of these ?
    If you need any details please ask.

    Thanks for any help.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,102 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    damagegt wrote: »
    Hello all.I have recently been accept for my fulltime college course.Im a 28 year old mature student and I havent a clue what my options are when it comes to payment.I tried the contact the studentfinance web site but there contact details are not working.I finished a 1 year vetac level 5 course last year.

    What I think I know is :
    I have 3 options to choose from.I can get one of either of these :

    1)The grant
    2)Back to education
    3)Vetac.

    Is my understanding of this correct ? Can I get more then one of these ?
    If you need any details please ask.

    Thanks for any help.

    Are you on Job seekers allowance or benefit at the moment?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,061 ✭✭✭damagegt


    I am on job seekers allowance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭paperclip2


    damagegt wrote: »
    I am on job seekers allowance.

    It looks like BTEA would be the best option for you. Full details on the Allowance here: http://www.welfare.ie/EN/Publications/SW70/Documents/SW70.pdf

    Generally to qualify for BTEA for a college, uni or IT course you need 9 months on Jobseekers before applying for the payment. It doesn't have to be consecutive as long as there are no breaks in your payment bigger than 12 months. Also you must be on Jobseekers right up until your course starts. If the course is a FETAC level 5 or 6 than you need three months on Jobseekers.

    BTEA is paid at the maximum standard rate, for a single person that works out at about €188 per week. There's also a cost of education allowance of €300 included.

    Also if your course is third level you would need to apply for a Fee grant from SUSI: http://www.studentfinance.ie
    This would cover your student contribution charge of €2250.

    If you get BTEA you can't get the maintenance grant but you can get the fee grant.

    Hope this helps and if you have any other questions just ask.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 159 ✭✭poeticjustice


    paperclip2 wrote: »
    Maybe bank statements to your current address? You could ring the SUSI helpdesk and ask them directly:

    Thanks paperclip2.

    Think i'll have to leave it til next year.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,199 ✭✭✭artvanderlay


    Hi there,

    I wonder could anyone help with my query. Basically I did a year of a degree back in 08-09 as a second chance student (after a break of more than 5 years since my previous study) and got the free frees and grant for it, but I didn't finish the year because I lost my part-time job and ran out of money. Now I have a chance to go into second year of a different degree and I'm finally eligible for back to education allowance, so I just want to know would I still be eligible for the free fees for the second (and subsequent) years of this degree?

    thanks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭paperclip2


    Hi there,

    I wonder could anyone help with my query. Basically I did a year of a degree back in 08-09 as a second chance student (after a break of more than 5 years since my previous study) and got the free frees and grant for it, but I didn't finish the year because I lost my part-time job and ran out of money. Now I have a chance to go into second year of a different degree and I'm finally eligible for back to education allowance, so I just want to know would I still be eligible for the free fees for the second (and subsequent) years of this degree?

    thanks.

    You would need to satisfy the 2nd chance conditions again and since its less than five years since you last attended college you would probably not have an entitlement to free fees etc for the first year of the new course. But you could check with the college.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,199 ✭✭✭artvanderlay


    Hey thanks for the reply. I would only be looking for free fees from second year onwards so maybe I'll have a chance with it. I'll call the college and grants office tomorrow.


  • Registered Users Posts: 145 ✭✭ditzyfairy


    Hi just wondering if someone could tell me if I will qualify as a second chance student for free fee's this year if I completed one year of 3rd level from year 2006-2007


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭paperclip2


    ditzyfairy wrote: »
    Hi just wondering if someone could tell me if I will qualify as a second chance student for free fee's this year if I completed one year of 3rd level from year 2006-2007

    If you have a full five years between the date you were officially recorded as having left the college and the date you want to re-enter and if you haven't received any qualification at third level in the mean time you should be ok for 2nd chance free fees.


  • Registered Users Posts: 145 ✭✭ditzyfairy


    paperclip2 wrote: »
    If you have a full five years between the date you were officially recorded as having left the college and the date you want to re-enter and if you haven't received any qualification at third level in the mean time you should be ok for 2nd chance free fees.

    ok so if i sat the summer exams in May '07, didn't do the repeats or register for 2nd year when would I be recorded as having left?

    also I done a level 5 and level 6 part time courses in a privately run college since then, would they count?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭paperclip2


    ditzyfairy wrote: »
    ok so if i sat the summer exams in May '07, didn't do the repeats or register for 2nd year when would I be recorded as having left?

    also I done a level 5 and level 6 part time courses in a privately run college since then, would they count?

    You need to check when the college officially recorded that you left. If you didn't officially notify them at the time you could have been on their books for longer than you think.

    It depends on the level 6 course that you did. If it was FETAC you should be fine. If it was HETAC it might be a problem.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 188 ✭✭DJW11


    paperclip2 - you might be able help me with this, as a returning mature student, with btea, im wondering if i was to get married during my 3 years in study could i lose my btea once married?? due to means testing or something?


  • Registered Users Posts: 145 ✭✭ditzyfairy


    thanks a mill for your help paperclip :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭Brenireland


    Hi just wondering if anybody could correct me here,I've done My Leaving Certificate & have completed FETAC Level 5 course in 2010 & have reapplied for a college place through the CAO & I'm U-23..

    Is it this Thursday when I may recieve my offer?,I'm not a mature student..I'm not sure what I am,I am between being Mature & unemployed :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭paperclip2


    DJW11 wrote: »
    paperclip2 - you might be able help me with this, as a returning mature student, with btea, im wondering if i was to get married during my 3 years in study could i lose my btea once married?? due to means testing or something?

    Hmm, that's an interesting one alright. Generally you are expected to let DSP know of any change in circumstances but if you are approved for BTEA for a 4 year course for example you should be ok for the duration. If it was me I'd talk to the main BTEA section in Carrick on Shannon, they are usually pretty helpful if you have a direct question. I'll PM you the name / number of the person I speak to.

    Hi just wondering if anybody could correct me here,I've done My Leaving Certificate & have completed FETAC Level 5 course in 2010 & have reapplied for a college place through the CAO & I'm U-23..

    Is it this Thursday when I may recieve my offer?,I'm not a mature student..I'm not sure what I am,I am between being Mature & unemployed :D


    Hi Brenireland. As regards the colleges you are a 'Standard Applicant' as you are applying to college on the basis of Leaving Cert and FETAC qualifications.

    From the pov of SUSI, since you aren't 23 you are classified as a dependent candidate. This means that your parents income etc would be needed to assess your grant entitlements etc.

    From the perspective of DSP if you are aged over 21 and have been getting a Jobseeker payment for the last nine months you are eligible for BTEA.

    If you are wondering when you might get an offer you could contact the college directly. Sometimes they will give you the info over the phone.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55 ✭✭s08t


    Hi. I was wondering if you were able to recieve a BTEA and a VEC grant at the same time. Thanks for the thread. Very helpful. anyone can help, it wud be most appreciated. Thanks


  • Registered Users Posts: 1 Linda b


    hi, could some1 help me... i am a married mom of two and i am interested in returning to college next year full time to do science ed. i am working three days a week at the moment and my husband is a part time fire fighter, but my question is if i give up work would i be entitled to any BTEA or a grant??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭paperclip2


    s08t wrote: »
    Hi. I was wondering if you were able to recieve a BTEA and a VEC grant at the same time. Thanks for the thread. Very helpful. anyone can help, it wud be most appreciated. Thanks

    Hi OP. Just to clarify that there are no more VEC grants. They are all SUSI grants now :)
    Generally if you get a BTEA payment you can't get the SUSI maintenance grant. However you may be eligible for the fee grant which covers the registration fee for third level courses.

    In some cases if your original DSP payment was a One Parent Family Payment or a Disability payment you may be able to retain these payments and get both the Maintenance grant and the fee grant.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭paperclip2


    Linda b wrote: »
    hi, could some1 help me... i am a married mom of two and i am interested in returning to college next year full time to do science ed. i am working three days a week at the moment and my husband is a part time fire fighter, but my question is if i give up work would i be entitled to any BTEA or a grant??

    Hi Linda,

    To get the BTEA you would need a minimum of 9 months on a social Welfare payment before starting the college course. It doesn't have to be a full rate of social welfare, a partial rate will be ok. If you get BTEA you cant get the Maintenance grant but you could apply for a fee grant to cover the college registration fees.

    If you aren't eligible for BTEA then you can apply for both the Maintenance and fee grants from SUSI. Eligibility is determined on the basis of a means test, nationality and residency.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4 missinginfo


    hi, thanks for the answers, i attended in 09/10 for 3 months and had to withdraw due to illlness, got accepted at ucc this year, just got notification that the previous college drew down 50% of HEA student tuition fees for 09/10, can i still get a maintenance grant as i never got that and pay the other 50% tuition fees myself...confused


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭paperclip2


    hi, thanks for the answers, i attended in 09/10 for 3 months and had to withdraw due to illlness, got accepted at ucc this year, just got notification that the previous college drew down 50% of HEA student tuition fees for 09/10, can i still get a maintenance grant as i never got that and pay the other 50% tuition fees myself...confused

    Yeah you should be ok for half first year free fees and grant.You can check directly with the dept of education office that administers free fee policy: Tel: 057 9325317. Tell them your circumstances and they can give you an accurate answer.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1 TinyTom26


    Hi,

    I would be extremely grateful if someone could clear this up for me :)
    Basically I dropped out of college only completing my 1st yr of college in 07/08 (fees and maintenance were used for that full college term of 07/08) .

    I have now gotten accepted for UCC this coming September (12/13). I am just curious if I am now eligible for free fees for this 4yr degree course i.e. have I cleared my 5yr break in order to be eligible.

    If not, is there any possibility of just getting my student registration (2250 euros) waived?

    Advice most most welcome.

    Tom.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭paperclip2


    Hi Tiny Tom,

    As far as I know you would need a full clear five years between when you left college and the start of your new course. At the moment you only seem to have a 4 year gap. That usually means that you won't be eligible for free academic fees, the registration fee grant or the maintenance grant for this year at least.
    The only source of support for the registration fee is the fee grant.

    You can contact the Dept of Ed Student Support Unit to double check what charges you could be facing. Tel: 057 9325317


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55 ✭✭s08t


    Originally posted by Paperclip2 :To get the BTEA you would need a minimum of 9 months on a social Welfare payment before starting the college course. It doesn't have to be a full rate of social welfare, a partial rate will be ok. If you get BTEA you cant get the Maintenance grant but you could apply for a fee grant to cover the college registration fees.

    This is also advice for people applying for grants etc.


    Hi Paperclip2, Do you have to be on a social welfare 9 mnths before starting a college course? I applied last yr for the BTEA allowance ( I was on the social welfare 9 mnths before starting the course). But I applied as well for the maintenance grant (cos my friend told me I cud apply for both.) now I know u cant. I recieved a letter from the VEC saying I was getting over 3000. I then got a call after starting college for the BTEA saying I cudnt get the BTEA as I was getting the maintenance grant(which I expected). I got the fee grant of 2000 last sept, then waited and waited for the rest, when I rang they said that I wasnt entitled to a maintenance grant just a fee grant. I told them they sent me out a letter saying I was entitled to over 3000, but they said they have no recollection of that letter. I searched the house high and low for the letter but cudnt find. then they rang back a week later and gave me just under 3000. I was unhappy cos I didnt get what I was entitled to at the start. Just anyone out there who are applying for grants etc. keep all letters, reciepts etc to keep you right. But what I was wondering paperclip 2 is i applied for the BTEA this year as well, but they say I cant get cos my claim is up ( I am not on social welfare 9 mnths previous to college), but I was wonderin as seen as I applied and it was accepted las yr but then didnt get it wud I be in the right to get it this yr instead?
    Thanks in advance for any advice. and also wud I be in a position to get a rent allowance? Thanks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭paperclip2


    s08t wrote: »


    Hi Paperclip2, Do you have to be on a social welfare 9 mnths before starting a college course?

    Hi s08t

    To my knowledge you have to have 9 months receipt of a DSP payment before being BTEA approved. This can be made up of short stretches broken by period of work as long as none of those breaks is more than 1 year. You also need to be on a DSP payment immediately before the course starts

    s08t wrote: »
    I applied last yr for the BTEA allowance ( I was on the social welfare 9 mnths before starting the course)..
    But I applied as well for the maintenance grant (cos my friend told me I cud apply for both.) now I know u cant. I recieved a letter from the VEC saying I was getting over 3000. I then got a call after starting college for the BTEA saying I cudnt get the BTEA as I was getting the maintenance grant(which I expected).

    It’s no comfort now but last year you could have cancelled your grant in favour of BTEA at this point. If you did that then you would have been able to claim BTEA with no problems.
    s08t wrote: »
    But what I was wondering paperclip 2 is i applied for the BTEA this year as well, but they say I cant get cos my claim is up ( I am not on social welfare 9 mnths previous to college), but I was wonderin as seen as I applied and it was accepted las yr but then didnt get it wud I be in the right to get it this yr instead?
    Ooh you poor thing. It looks like a right mess and what I’m saying here please get double checked by your own local Job Facilitator. You can usually get in thouch with them through your local office or you can check this info with the the main BTEA office: Tel: 071 967 2616 or Locall:1890 927 999

    Ok, as you accepted the grant you were taken off the DSP’s books while you did your course and so your SW claim lapsed.
    BTEA is dependent on having an entitlement to a social welfare payment immediately before your course starts or re-starts. You would need to be getting a social welfare payment now in order to claim BTEA for the coming year as well as having a previous claim history of at least nine months duration that may be broken by periods of less than one year.
    So from what you have outlined and an interpretation of the rules it looks unlikely that you would get the BTEA this year. However please get it checked out fully with DSP.

    s08t wrote: »
    Thanks in advance for any advice. and also wud I be in a position to get a rent allowance? Thanks.

    This is an awkward one and almost seems to have different rules depending on what area you are in. I would definitely suggest you apply for it. Your local CWO should be able to advise you on it.

    Hope this helps somewhat


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55 ✭✭s08t


    Thanks so much Paperclip2. Ye id be uncertain now if id get the BTEA but will def look into it. I got under 3000 (2000 of fees) last yr as a grant, I just thot as a mature student having worked for the last 10 yrs id of been entitled to more.

    I do have a previous claim history of 9months duration unbroken by periods of less than a year. but have not been recieving the SW since sept 2011. so when im not on the SW now it seems i wont be entitled to BTEA. Just seems funny people who are wrking part time thus getting the SW gets more of a grant than someone not in work. Thanks again will look into it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 59 ✭✭patk72


    My partner just got refused her grant application for a level 7 degree course as she already has a level 8 degree but from 20 years ago, was wondering was there any way round this or is it that black and white. Her previous degree is not relevant to get a 'job' in this present envoirnment any advise appreciated.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭paperclip2


    patk72 wrote: »
    My partner just got refused her grant application for a level 7 degree course as she already has a level 8 degree but from 20 years ago, was wondering was there any way round this or is it that black and white. Her previous degree is not relevant to get a 'job' in this present envoirnment any advise appreciated.

    You can appeal the decision but with all the cutbacks the rules are being enforced pretty rigorously.
    Info on appeals here: http://www.cdvec.ie/getattachment/Student-Supports/Grants/SUSI-Appeals-Form---August-2012.pdf.aspx


  • Registered Users Posts: 145 ✭✭ditzyfairy


    patk72 wrote: »
    My partner just got refused her grant application for a level 7 degree course as she already has a level 8 degree but from 20 years ago, was wondering was there any way round this or is it that black and white. Her previous degree is not relevant to get a 'job' in this present envoirnment any advise appreciated.

    I had this problem last year, it's because it's a qualification that she already has or lower... you can only get it if your "upskilling" I don't think there's any way around it, i tried everything last year


  • Registered Users Posts: 59 ✭✭patk72


    Many thanks to both paperclip and ditzyfairy. Your responses were appreciated:)


  • Registered Users Posts: 23 AsanteSamuel22


    Hi guys, just a quick question. I know that if you are applying for a course and it is not your first degree that you would be liable for full fees. Is this still true if this is your first course was NOT in Ireland? If you have not officially taken up a position on the CAO would you still be counted as having done a first degree? e.g Baechelor of Arts in an American University


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭paperclip2


    Hi guys, just a quick question. I know that if you are applying for a course and it is not your first degree that you would be liable for full fees. Is this still true if this is your first course was NOT in Ireland? If you have not officially taken up a position on the CAO would you still be counted as having done a first degree? e.g Baechelor of Arts in an American University

    Hi

    Yes, unfortunately the Dept of Ed will only provide free fees for your first shot at a complete undergrad course. If you hold a qualification at the same or higher level than the one you are now going to do then its very unlikely you would get free fees or any grant support.
    It doesn't matter where you did your initial qualification. The only loophole would be if your existing degree was assessed as being at a lower level than a comparable Irish qualification, e.g. if your course was considered comparable to a level 7 degree in Ireland then you could qualify for free fees etc for a one year 'top-up' course to bring it to a level 8 standard.


  • Registered Users Posts: 162 ✭✭p38


    Hi newbie here hope im posting in the correct thread? My question is i just finished a 2 year course with vtos where i received my full btea But it finished in june and i was signed off. I applied for third level and was excepted as a mature student but the problem is I am still waiting to hear from social welfare to see if I am entitled to anything and I dont know should I fill in the back to education form and send it in :confused:confused:


  • Registered Users Posts: 145 ✭✭ditzyfairy


    p38 wrote: »
    I am still waiting to hear from social welfare to see if I am entitled to anything and I dont know should I fill in the back to education form and send it in :confused:confused:

    fill it out and send it in, if you don't qualify there's nothing lost


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭paperclip2


    p38 wrote: »
    Hi newbie here hope im posting in the correct thread? My question is i just finished a 2 year course with vtos where i received my full btea But it finished in june and i was signed off. I applied for third level and was excepted as a mature student but the problem is I am still waiting to hear from social welfare to see if I am entitled to anything and I dont know should I fill in the back to education form and send it in :confused:confused:

    Hi I'm a bit confused. Were you on VTOS or BTEA because they are two separate things?

    If you are going to college you should definitely send in the BTEA application form. If you are currently on Jobseekers you can't keep this payment and study so you have to apply for BTEA. To get BTEA for college you need nine months on a Social welfare payment and this can include time spent on VTOS or previous BTEA as long as you are now currently on Jobseekers.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,138 ✭✭✭paky


    [QUOTE=Aapplying for a course and it is not your first degree that you would be liable for full fees. Is this still true if this is your first course was NOT in Ireland? If you have not officially taken up a position on the CAO would you still be counted as having done a first degree? e.g Baechelor of Arts in an American University[/QUOTE]santeSamuel22;80357530]Hi guys, just a quick question. I know that if you are
    paperclip2 wrote: »
    Hi

    Yes, unfortunately the Dept of Ed will only provide free fees for your first shot at a complete undergrad course. If you hold a qualification at the same or higher level than the one you are now going to do then its very unlikely you would get free fees or any grant support.
    It doesn't matter where you did your initial qualification. The only loophole would be if your existing degree was assessed as being at a lower level than a comparable Irish qualification, e.g. if your course was considered comparable to a level 7 degree in Ireland then you could qualify for free fees etc for a one year 'top-up' course to bring it to a level 8 standard.

    However, if a period of five years has lapsed following the receipt of a previous third level grant, you are eligible for another third level grant.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭paperclip2


    paky wrote: »


    However, if a period of five years has lapsed following the receipt of a previous third level grant, you are eligible for another third level grant.

    This second chance rule only applies if you have not received any qualifications during your previous study. If you do then you are ineligible for free fees or a grant for any new course at the same level as your current qualification.

    AsanteSamuel has implied he already has a qualification from his previous study in the US so the 2nd chance rule does not apply.

    You can check this with the Dept of Education Student support unit Tel: 057 9325317.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,138 ✭✭✭paky


    paperclip2 wrote: »
    This second chance rule only applies if you have not received any qualifications during your previous study. If you do then you are ineligible for free fees or a grant for any new course at the same level as your current qualification.

    AsanteSamuel has implied he already has a qualification from his previous study in the US so the 2nd chance rule does not apply.

    You can check this with the Dept of Education Student support unit Tel: 057 9325317.

    I didn't know that. I thought that only applied to individuals who were assisted in receiving their qualification in Ireland.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭paperclip2


    paky wrote: »
    I didn't know that. I thought that only applied to individuals who were assisted in receiving their qualification in Ireland

    Nope, qualifications from anywhere count.

    And although I may agree with your sentiments Paky I've edited the end of your post as it could be considered to be hovering over the line of advocating fraud ;):)


  • Registered Users Posts: 162 ✭✭p38


    paperclip2 wrote: »
    Hi I'm a bit confused. Were you on VTOS or BTEA because they are two separate things?

    If you are going to college you should definitely send in the BTEA application form. If you are currently on Jobseekers you can't keep this payment and study so you have to apply for BTEA. To get BTEA for college you need nine months on a Social welfare payment and this can include time spent on VTOS or previous BTEA as long as you are now currently on Jobseekers.

    sorry about the confusion i was on vtos and had to sign off at the end of june i am currently waiting to see if i am entitled to any social welfare i know you have to be receiving social welfare to apply for BTEA College is starting 6th Sept so I am probably out of time I dont think I will qualify for social welfare as my partner is currently working making about €420 before tax a week


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭paperclip2


    p38 wrote: »
    sorry about the confusion i was on vtos and had to sign off at the end of june i am currently waiting to see if i am entitled to any social welfare i know you have to be receiving social welfare to apply for BTEA College is starting 6th Sept so I am probably out of time I dont think I will qualify for social welfare as my partner is currently working making about €420 before tax a week

    Its a bit of a wait and see at the minute so. Even if you only qualify for a partial rate of JSA or JSB that should be enough to get you full rate BTEA. And your time on VTOS will count towards the 9 months qualifying period.


  • Registered Users Posts: 162 ✭✭p38


    paperclip2 wrote: »
    Its a bit of a wait and see at the minute so. Even if you only qualify for a partial rate of JSA or JSB that should be enough to get you full rate BTEA. And your time on VTOS will count towards the 9 months qualifying period.

    thanks for the reply so do you recommend sending in the BTEA application or waiting?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭paperclip2


    p38 wrote: »
    thanks for the reply so do you recommend sending in the BTEA application or waiting?

    I'd try to hand it in. They might not accept it though until there is a decision made as to your JS entitlements. But the sooner they have it, the sooner they process it. There can be delays with receiving the BTEA so the sooner the application gets in, the better.


  • Registered Users Posts: 145 ✭✭ditzyfairy


    well i got a letter today saying i'm ineligible for the grant based on the fact i done 3 months of a level6/7 course 5years ago (and didn't get the grant then either), but I called the help desk and they reckon I could appeal based on the fact the course I've applied for has an optional 4th year that would make it a level 8 so if I intend on doing the 4th year that would make me eligible.

    Has anyone ever successfully appealed before? Or have any tips on appealing?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭paperclip2


    ditzyfairy wrote: »
    well i got a letter today saying i'm ineligible for the grant based on the fact i done 3 months of a level6/7 course 5years ago (and didn't get the grant then either), but I called the help desk and they reckon I could appeal based on the fact the course I've applied for has an optional 4th year that would make it a level 8 so if I intend on doing the 4th year that would make me eligible.

    Has anyone ever successfully appealed before? Or have any tips on appealing?

    Hi, DF,

    If you only did 3/4 months of the course and its more than 5 years ago then you should be eligible for the full grant under the 2nd chance rule. Do you already have a previous completed qualification?


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