Eng-er-land Euro2012 squad

UnitedIrishman · 16-05-2012 12:19pm

Beefy78 wrote: »

Damn right it's "here and now" we care about. Why shouldn't it? We'd rather make the second round (or even maybe, possibly, with a huge slice of luck) a semi final with an experienced squad than go out in the first with a young squad.

We could go out in the first round with an experienced squad but if they're the best 23 players available and we're just not good enough to get out of the group then fine.

These tournaments don't come around that often - I'd have thought that Irish people would know that full well - and every nation lucky enough to qualify should be taking their 23 best players and doing everything they can to win.

As I said, that's the problem. Ireland is a completely different story. Firstly, we're not almost guaranteed to qualify for every tournament like England are and secondly, we don't have the players to do it.

What's great about going out in the QF stage every single time for a team like England? Look at the last WC against Germany. About half of the team wasn't ready to play at the highest level. They should be aspiring to win a tournament and that starts by giving the young guys the experience of being at a major tournament, seeing what it's about.

Plus it's a chance for Roy to get the young guys to buy into his philosophy and way of playing and move away from the baggage that comes with guys like Terry.

SirDelboy18 · 16-05-2012 12:21pm

I think England have made a series of very intelligent appointments, and have slowly built up a bit of leeway with the media, but it could all go t*ts up today.

If Terry is included it's a bit of a joke really.

Can't see why Andy Carroll having 120 minutes or so of good football against Chelsea merits his inclusion either.

Don't know why Ox would be brought when Wenger barely plays him - and the only justification is his age and 70 minutes against AC Milan.

As for the Downing rumours - if he made it then Roy would lose a lot of credibility.

With Defoe, he has barely featured for Tottenham - Why should he get in? Grant Holt is a regular who scores lots in a bottom half side, surely he should go.

- Same as Capello before him, Roy is (if rumours are true) going to go down a very bad route of picking players by name rather than by form.

Beefy78 · 16-05-2012 12:25pm

UnitedIrishman wrote: »

As I said, that's the problem. Ireland is a completely different story. Firstly, we're not almost guaranteed to qualify for every tournament like England are and secondly, we don't have the players to do it.

What's great about going out in the QF stage every single time for a team like England? Look at the last WC against Germany. About half of the team wasn't ready to play at the highest level. They should be aspiring to win a tournament and that starts by giving the young guys the experience of being at a major tournament, seeing what it's about.

Plus it's a chance for Roy to get the young guys to buy into his philosophy and way of playing and move away from the baggage that comes with guys like Terry.

But, as I said, we've got far more chance of winning this one than we do the next one. And no team - England or any other - should take qualification for granted.

We've got a tournament here and now. With the lack of quality in the squad, a new manager and the fisaco of John Terry's involvement we almost certainly won't do well in it but we, like every other side, should be trying to maximise our chances. And that means picking the best players for Euro 2012, not for Brazil 2014.

Johner · 16-05-2012 12:29pm

Oxlade-Chamberlain is going!

SlickRic · 16-05-2012 12:30pm

Johner wrote: »

Oxlade-Chamberlain is going!

do yo have any source for this?

SirDelboy18 · 16-05-2012 12:31pm

Johner wrote: »

Oxlade-Chamberlain is going!

Presumably at the expense if someone who has done a lot more to justify their inclusion this season.

SirDelboy18 · 16-05-2012 12:31pm

SlickRic wrote: »

do yo have any source for this?

Twitter - Oliver Kay and Henry Winter

Johner · 16-05-2012 12:32pm

SlickRic wrote: »

do yo have any source for this?

Oliver Kay ‏ @OliverKayTimes

Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain is IN England's Euro 2012 squad

https://twitter.com/#!/OliverKayTimes

Local_Chap · 16-05-2012 12:34pm

Dotsey wrote: »

here goes:

Hart, Green, Carson

Johnson, Jones, Cole, Baines, Terry, Cahill, Lescott, Jagielka

Gerrard, Lampard, Parker, Barry, Young, Milner, Walcott, Downing

Rooney, Carroll, Defoe, Sturridge

Same as mine except Ruddy for Carson, Lennon for Downing and Welbeck for Defoe

Redzer7 · 16-05-2012 12:35pm

SirDelboy18 wrote: »

Presumably at the expense if someone who has done a lot more to justify their inclusion this season.

Well Downing is fúcking shíte!

Blatter · 16-05-2012 12:36pm

I agree with Oxlade-Chamberlain going, most certainly. He has shown he can do it on a big stage (was brilliant in the 3-0 win v Milan) and is extremely versatile. Can play on the wing or more centrally. Bags of skill and pace, could be a great wildcard from the bench.

Edit: And before anyone compares it to Eriksson taking Walcott to the World Cup in '06, it is nothing like that.

SirDelboy18 · 16-05-2012 12:37pm

Blatter wrote: »

I agree with Oxlade-Chamberlain going, most certainly. He has shown he can do it on a big stage (was brilliant in the 3-0 win v Milan) and is extremely versatile. Can play on the wing or more centrally. Bags of skill and pace, could be a wildcard off the bench.

Once. He had a good 70 minutes against Milan, other than that his impact has been minimal.

SirDelboy18 · 16-05-2012 12:37pm

Redzer7 wrote: »

Well Downing is fúcking shíte!

And I've already said that, it'd be a joke if Downing went.

Blatter · 16-05-2012 12:40pm

SirDelboy18 wrote: »

Once. He had a good 70 minutes against Milan, other than that his impact has been minimal.

He's had more than one good appearance in fairness, he has been a real threat in a fair few PL matches as well.

kronsington · 16-05-2012 12:41pm

SirDelboy18 wrote: »

Once. He had a good 70 minutes against Milan, other than that his impact has been minimal.

He's an excellent talent and would bring a hell of a lot more to the party than downing and possibly even walcott. ask a lot of arsenal fans and he would be starting most weeks and is nowhere near is frustrating as theo as a player

UnitedIrishman · 16-05-2012 12:42pm

He was also terrible in a some games this season. And he only started something like 15 games in all competitions.

Renn · 16-05-2012 12:43pm

Downing

kronsington · 16-05-2012 12:44pm

for his debut season he has done extremely well. cut the kid some slack, no one expected a huge amount from him so early and he has shown he has quality. england have done well is picking him as the wildcard, let's see if they choose anymore

leposean · 16-05-2012 12:44pm

Goalkeepers
1.Hart, 12.Green, 22.Ruddy

Defenders
2.Johnson, 3.A.Cole, 5.Lescott, 6.Terry, 14.Baines, 15.Cahill 23.Jones

Midfielders
4.Gerrard, 7.Parker, 8.Lampard, 11.Young, 13.Milner, 16.Carrick, 17.Walcott, 18.Barry, 19.Chamberlain

Forwards
9.Bent, 10.Rooney, 20.Welbeck, 21.Carroll

Jax Teller · 16-05-2012 12:46pm

So is this going to be on SSN at 1?

Paully D · 16-05-2012 12:47pm

leposean wrote: »

Goalkeepers
1.Hart, 12.Green, 22.Ruddy

Defenders
2.Johnson, 3.A.Cole, 5.Lescott, 6.Terry, 14.Baines, 15.Cahill 23.Jones

Midfielders
4.Gerrard, 7.Parker, 8.Lampard, 11.Young, 13.Milner, 16.Carrick, 17.Walcott, 18.Barry, 19.Chamberlain

Forwards
9.Bent, 10.Rooney, 20.Welbeck, 21.Carroll

Is Bent really in? Despite not playing since February and not being match fit?

SirDelboy18 · 16-05-2012 12:48pm

kronsington wrote: »

He's an excellent talent and would bring a hell of a lot more to the party than downing and possibly even walcott. ask a lot of arsenal fans and he would be starting most weeks and is nowhere near is frustrating as theo as a player

But he hasn't been starting and that is the point. He has 15 starts in all competitions (very few of them recent) and he has had a standout game against Milan and a good game against United. I don't see why he should get into the squad ahead of others who have contributed more this season, just because he is young.

Redzer7 · 16-05-2012 12:49pm

Coletrickle88 wrote: »

So is this going to be on SSN at 1?

Yep.

Blatter · 16-05-2012 12:51pm

UnitedIrishman wrote: »

He was also terrible in a some games this season. And he only started something like 15 games in all competitions.

He only made his full debut in January, and has been in and out of the team on a regular basis since then. He's had more good games than bad ones from what I've seen of him. He's very capable of changing a game and would be a good option from the bench for England. He's a unique player and offers something different. I'm not saying he's a world beater yet or anything but I'd personally bring him.

Beefy78 · 16-05-2012 12:53pm

I'm still crossing my fingers for Rickie Lambert. Best English striker bar Rooney, IMO and will prove it in the Premier League next season.

greendom · 16-05-2012 12:56pm

Beefy78 wrote: »

I'm still crossing my fingers for Rickie Lambert. Best English striker bar Rooney, IMO and will prove it in the Premier League next season.

The Steve Bull of 2012 - possible I suppose.

Redzer7 · 16-05-2012 12:59pm

Beefy78 wrote: »

I'm still crossing my fingers for Rickie Lambert. Best English striker bar Rooney, IMO and will prove it in the Premier League next season.

I'd like that, but won't happen IMO.

Beefy78 · 16-05-2012 12:59pm

Walcott is IN.

Kristopherus · 16-05-2012 1:04pm

Ruddy is in.

Jimmy Iovine · 16-05-2012 1:05pm

England Euro 2012 stand-by list: Jack Butland, Phil Jagielka, Jordan Henderson, Adam Johnson, Daniel Sturridge

Mr.Crinklewood · 16-05-2012 1:05pm

FA Webmaster out.

Jimmy Iovine · 16-05-2012 1:06pm

England squad: Hart, Green, Ruddy, Baines, Cahill, Cole, Johnson, Jones, Lescott, Terry, Barry, Downing, Gerrard, Lampard, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Parker, Walcott, Young, Carroll, Defoe, Rooney, Welbeck.

SirDelboy18 · 16-05-2012 1:06pm

Michael Carrick doesn't even make the standby list, Jordan Henderson gets in ahead of him - wow.

Redzer7 · 16-05-2012 1:06pm

Rio confirmed definitely out.

token101 · 16-05-2012 1:08pm

No Micah Richards, but Stewart Downing? Is he taking the piss? What a joke! :pac:

Jax Teller · 16-05-2012 1:08pm

How does Jack Butland get on the standby list ahead of Stockdale Or Carson

mike65 · 16-05-2012 1:09pm

Downing?! I'd have taken Raheem Sterling!

bullvine · 16-05-2012 1:09pm

Downing??? Carrick not even on the standby list?

Kristopherus · 16-05-2012 1:09pm

No Crouch either, which I think is a mistake.

invinciblePRSTV · 16-05-2012 1:09pm

No Milner? LOL. No Bent either thank fcuk.

Kerrydude1981 · 16-05-2012 1:09pm

SirDelboy18 wrote: »

Michael Carrick doesn't even make the standby list, Jordan Henderson gets in ahead of him - wow.

I wouldnt be Carricks biggest fan but I reckon he at least deserves to be ahead of Henderson on standby,he had a very good season for Utd while Henderson stuttered through his first season at the Pool

Turtyturd · 16-05-2012 1:09pm

mike65 wrote: »

Downing?! I'd have taken Raheem Sterling!

Or Doni......oh wait.

Paully D · 16-05-2012 1:10pm

Load of **** really. Very poor selections IMO.

K-9 · 16-05-2012 1:10pm

mike65 wrote: »

Downing?! I'd have taken Raheem Sterling!

He's trolling Dalglish! Carroll, Downing and Henderson on standby.

Redzer7 · 16-05-2012 1:10pm

invinciblePRSTV wrote: »

No Milner? LOL. No Bent either thank fcuk.

Milner is there.

token101 · 16-05-2012 1:10pm

invinciblePRSTV wrote: »

No Milner? LOL. No Bent either thank fcuk.

Milner's there?

Kerrydude1981 · 16-05-2012 1:11pm

invinciblePRSTV wrote: »

No Milner? LOL. No Bent either thank fcuk.

Milner is in the squad

everdead.ie · 16-05-2012 1:11pm

Harry to be England Manager by ...... when do the group stages end?

bullvine · 16-05-2012 1:11pm

Thats an awful squad, England really have some very poor players.

Meglamonia · 16-05-2012 1:11pm

Carrol instead of Sturridge?Nah.

Eng-er-land Euro2012 squad

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