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    #92
    bravestar
    Registered Users Posts: 1,082 ✭✭✭bravestar


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    What's peoples problem with the Connects? Can be driven on chiefs. Fit prisoners in. They shouldn't be a full replacement to a full size van but are a grand addition.

    Brutal handling, no grip in wet, traction control goes mental if your on a slight incline and try get any speed. Sure, you can fit prisoners in easily, as long as they are 4ft unconscious girl guides.

    If you want a van, get a real van. If you want something smaller, get a car. These are brutal hybrids and not fit as a main patrol vehicle.


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    #93
    Sgt. Bilko 09
    Registered Users Posts: 1,464 ✭✭✭Sgt. Bilko 09


    POGAN wrote: »
    New public order unit transport in DMR

    From facebook

    They were the vans that were suppose to be mobile police stations


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    #94
    3fullback
    Registered Users Posts: 825 ✭✭✭3fullback


    Sgt. Bilko 09 wrote: »
    They were the vans that were suppose to be mobile police stations

    No way ?? That's gas , did that idea just go out the window ?


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    #95
    Sgt. Bilko 09
    Registered Users Posts: 1,464 ✭✭✭Sgt. Bilko 09


    3fullback wrote: »
    No way ?? That's gas , did that idea just go out the window ?

    it was scrapped but the vans were already purchased so after they scrapped it they gave it public order.
    The vans are enormous there not far off the Mercedes mobile command centre a couple of feet smaller though

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/shatter-in-firing-line-after-plan-for-mobile-garda-units-scrapped-29596531.html


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    #96
    jamesr123
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 430 ✭✭jamesr123


    3fullback wrote: »
    No way ?? That's gas , did that idea just go out the window ?

    they must have realised how laughable the idea was.......


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    #97
    donvito99
    Registered Users Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭donvito99


    Perhaps the new vans have perspex windscreens? :D


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    #98
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    3fullback wrote: »
    You've obv never been in one ! There a tin can with wheels !

    bravestar wrote: »
    Brutal handling, no grip in wet, traction control goes mental if your on a slight incline and try get any speed. Sure, you can fit prisoners in easily, as long as they are 4ft unconscious girl guides.

    If you want a van, get a real van. If you want something smaller, get a car. These are brutal hybrids and not fit as a main patrol vehicle.

    But they are not main patrol cars. People need to stop looking at every vehicle we get being a main patrol car. The allocations are wrong in some places but Connects, Transits, Fiestas, Land Cruisers/Santa Fe's are not main response vehicles. They have a support purpose.
    D Trent wrote: »
    https://scontent-a-vie.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1383432_606582906049605_436699434_n.jpg

    Your point?


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    #99
    bravestar
    Registered Users Posts: 1,082 ✭✭✭bravestar


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    But they are not main patrol cars. People need to stop looking at every vehicle we get being a main patrol car. The allocations are wrong in some places but Connects, Transits, Fiestas, Land Cruisers/Santa Fe's are not main response vehicles. They have a support purpose.



    Your point?

    You know as well as I do that they have been used by the regular as main cars so that argument ain't gonna hold water. I've never seen a transit etc as a main car but connects... Yep!


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    #100
    [Deleted User]
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    bravestar wrote: »
    You know as well as I do that they have been used by the regular as main cars so that argument ain't gonna hold water. I've never seen a transit etc as a main car but connects... Yep!

    I'm not saying it hasn't happened but it shouldn't. People need to write on it and complain.

    And the problem lies with the management of the fleet allocation. I know of a compol unit with a 1.8 focus and a warrants unit with an avensis. That's completely wrong.


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    #101
    POGAN
    Registered Users Posts: 979 ✭✭✭POGAN


    donvito99 wrote: »
    Perhaps the new vans have perspex windscreens? :D

    Yes they do


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    #102
    POGAN
    Registered Users Posts: 979 ✭✭✭POGAN


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I'm not saying it hasn't happened but it shouldn't. People need to write on it and complain.

    And the problem lies with the management of the fleet allocation. I know of a compol unit with a 1.8 focus and a warrants unit with an avensis. That's completely wrong.

    That's the save mileage on the avenais as warrants less mileage than compol too


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    #103
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    POGAN wrote: »
    That's the save mileage on the avenais as warrants less mileage than compol too

    But why do warrants need a 2l car? They'd be grand with a fiesta.


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    #104
    POGAN
    Registered Users Posts: 979 ✭✭✭POGAN


    foreign wrote: »
    But why do warrants need a 2l car? They'd be grand with a fiesta.

    they dont need them but you know the thinking new car longer on the road because the public will see more 11 regs than 06/07 around, longer on the street they are more reports will say newer cars on the road


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    #105
    voter1983
    Registered Users Posts: 78 ✭✭voter1983


    Wouldn't the connects be perfect for the warrants unit. It'd be a grand little run about and has the cage in the back for lodging prisoners


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    #106
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    voter1983 wrote: »
    Wouldn't the connects be perfect for the warrants unit. It'd be a grand little run about and has the cage in the back for lodging prisoners

    They don't work all day and don't only do prisoner warrants. They collect money too. Better to have the cell vehicle on the regular.


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    #107
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    POGAN wrote: »
    they dont need them but you know the thinking new car longer on the road because the public will see more 11 regs than 06/07 around, longer on the street they are more reports will say newer cars on the road

    I don't really care what the public think about what the reg is on the car I'm in. It should be the correct vehicle for the job I'm doing. Kevin Street tried that and lost their one to a country station with high milage.


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    #108
    dfbemt
    Registered Users Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭dfbemt


    3fullback wrote: »
    You've obv never been in one ! There a tin can with wheels !
    D Trent wrote: »
    https://scontent-a-vie.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1383432_606582906049605_436699434_n.jpg

    A tin can with wheels ! Look what happens when you hit them with a chair :eek:


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    #109
    kub
    Registered Users Posts: 6,528 ✭✭✭kub


    bravestar wrote: »
    Brutal handling, no grip in wet, traction control goes mental if your on a slight incline and try get any speed. Sure, you can fit prisoners in easily, as long as they are 4ft unconscious girl guides.

    If you want a van, get a real van. If you want something smaller, get a car. These are brutal hybrids and not fit as a main patrol vehicle.

    Horses for courses and all that, but why bother considering the scum in the back?


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    #110
    bravestar
    Registered Users Posts: 1,082 ✭✭✭bravestar


    kub wrote: »
    Horses for courses and all that, but why bother considering the scum in the back?

    I'm not. My point is, if you have some 6ft lad going ballistic, it is easier to put them in a larger opening.


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    #111
    Old diesel
    Registered Users Posts: 5,786 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    Did the Gardaí not test out the Connect before taking on a lot of them.

    Would think the best way of testing vehicles is to take one example of each potential purchase - and send it out to the Gardaí who would use the vehicles and the gardai could test out the vehicle doing the normal day to day work.

    Maybe that's how they normally test vehicles - I don't know.

    But its the best way imo - take an example out on test - and put it to the test over say 6 months - getting a feel for its performance under real operating conditions


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    #112
    Markcheese
    Registered Users Posts: 8,428 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    jamesr123 wrote: »
    they must have realised how laughable the idea was.......

    Was no more laughable than keeping a rural station for a gard to visit 2 hours a week(if he/she's free),with no computer/Internet access...

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



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    #113
    BaronVon
    Registered Users Posts: 1,646 ✭✭✭BaronVon


    Old diesel wrote: »
    Did the Gardaí not test out the Connect before taking on a lot of them.

    Vehicles are tested, but purchasing them comes down to the cheapest tender. When the Toyota's were purchased, they were one of 4 brands tested, and were ranked least preferable. But they provided the cheapest tender.......


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    #114
    Old diesel
    Registered Users Posts: 5,786 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    infacteh wrote: »
    Vehicles are tested, but purchasing them comes down to the cheapest tender. When the Toyota's were purchased, they were one of 4 brands tested, and were ranked least preferable. But they provided the cheapest tender.......

    Yes but going on the comments here - it seems the Connect was unsuitable for the task at hand.

    Id also argue that the Toyotas bought previously were unsuited for traffic corps - so fine go for cheapest tender if they please - but it should be the cheapest suitable vehicle capable of the job been asked of it.

    So we shouldn't see an Avensis been used on traffic when its not suitable - or indeed we shouldn't see an i40 on traffic caus its not powerful enough.

    The way around this is to have clear specs on the tender for vehicles bought for specific duties like traffic corps or RSU.

    Maybe even have separate tenders for each :)


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    #115
    POGAN
    Registered Users Posts: 979 ✭✭✭POGAN


    Old diesel wrote: »
    Yes but going on the comments here - it seems the Connect was unsuitable for the task at hand.

    Id also argue that the Toyotas bought previously were unsuited for traffic corps - so fine go for cheapest tender if they please - but it should be the cheapest suitable vehicle capable of the job been asked of it.

    So we shouldn't see an Avensis been used on traffic when its not suitable - or indeed we shouldn't see an i40 on traffic caus its not powerful enough.

    The way around this is to have clear specs on the tender for vehicles bought for specific duties like traffic corps or RSU.

    Maybe even have separate tenders for each :)

    Can't see police spec cars bought to replace xc70


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    #116
    Old diesel
    Registered Users Posts: 5,786 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    POGAN wrote: »
    Can't see police spec cars bought to replace xc70

    Police spec would be ideal for the job - whether RSU or any other job - however - whats more important is the actual cars suitability for the job its put to.


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    #117
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    bravestar wrote: »
    I'm not. My point is, if you have some 6ft lad going ballistic, it is easier to put them in a larger opening.

    Just as hard to put somebody into the back of a full size transit if they are kicking off.
    Old diesel wrote: »
    Yes but going on the comments here - it seems the Connect was unsuitable for the task at hand.

    Id also argue that the Toyotas bought previously were unsuited for traffic corps - so fine go for cheapest tender if they please - but it should be the cheapest suitable vehicle capable of the job been asked of it.

    So we shouldn't see an Avensis been used on traffic when its not suitable - or indeed we shouldn't see an i40 on traffic caus its not powerful enough.

    The way around this is to have clear specs on the tender for vehicles bought for specific duties like traffic corps or RSU.

    Maybe even have separate tenders for each :)

    The tenders usually specify a size of vehicle and equipment to come with it (like full size spare rather than blues, etc). Up to the driving school to test the vehicles then. Before the Avensis' were bought there was a Mondeo saloon and estate, a Focus estate and an Insignia tested on the road. Never saw the test Avensis. The other three are on the road around the place.


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    #118
    Zambia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭Zambia


    Well you can see the advantage of lower cost. Imagine telling a district with no car to take solace in the fact the next district has a you beut BMW.


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    #119
    Old diesel
    Registered Users Posts: 5,786 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    Zambia wrote: »
    Well you can see the advantage of lower cost. Imagine telling a district with no car to take solace in the fact the next district has a you beut BMW.

    But imagine having to try and keep up with a high performance car and no helicopter available - in a 1.7 diesel i40 with 12.6 seconds 0 to 60.

    Don't need a whole fleet of high performance cars - but it would be good to have some


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    #120
    POGAN
    Registered Users Posts: 979 ✭✭✭POGAN


    Old diesel wrote: »
    But imagine having to try and keep up with a high performance car and no helicopter available - in a 1.7 diesel i40 with 12.6 seconds 0 to 60.

    Don't need a whole fleet of high performance cars - but it would be good to have some

    Agreed like the RSU xc70/x5 fleet once there advanced car available in the division would be good start


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    #121
    voter1983
    Registered Users Posts: 78 ✭✭voter1983


    Is there any sign of these new cars arriving yet?


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