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Stephen Gately sculpture to be erected at train station

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  • #202
    guybague
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31 ✭guybague


    rovert wrote: »
    Rip down the Phil Lynott statue then using that logic.

    Actually that statue SHOULD be ripped down. It's a crock. Does the man no justice at all. Who is responsible for it? Those cretins in Hot Press?

    Look - Lynott practically invented the rock pose. He all remember the front cover of Live and Dangerous and how he posed with the bass at every opportunity.

    http://www.coverportal.com/Audio/GrafikAudio/thin_lizzy_-_live_and_dangerous_a.jpg

    And this is what they came up with?

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/ryancordell/2186320119/

    It makes him look like an old age pensioner or a character out of Ulysses.

    If you want to see a real tribute to the man, check out the massive mural of him in the alleyway beside the bank of Ireland on Camden street. Now THAT is a tribute.

    Back on topic, there should be no statue of Gately.


  • #203
    rovert
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭rovert


    humanji wrote: »
    What are the homophobic arguments?

    Read the beginning of the thread and the he is "only getting it because he is gay" stuff.


  • #204
    rovert
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭rovert


    guybague wrote: »
    Back on topic, there should be no statue of Gately.

    Quite the discussion starter this is


  • #205
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    Oh for god's sake some people really have little to complain about. if the people in Sheriff's Street and the members of Boyzone wish to erect a statue in memory of Steven who are we to judge them?

    His sexuality has nothing to do with anything and I really think people need to grow up and give the stupid gay jokes and innuendo a rest because it really doesn't contribute to anything.


  • #206
    humanji
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    rovert wrote: »
    Read the beginning of the thread and the he is "only getting it because he is gay" stuff.
    That's not homophobic. That's making a fairly true statement. He was an icon for some young homosexuals. That's a hell of a better reason for him to have a statue than being in a boyband.


  • #207
    rovert
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭rovert


    humanji wrote: »
    That's not homophobic. That's making a fairly true statement. He was an icon for some young homosexuals. That's a hell of a better reason for him to have a statue than being in a boyband.

    A lot of posters here didnt express it in that context.


  • #208
    humanji
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    rovert wrote: »
    A lot of posters here didnt express it in that context.
    A lot of people made gay jokes. But they aren't arguments against it. They're just standard AH posts.


  • #209
    rovert
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭rovert


    humanji wrote: »
    A lot of people made gay jokes. But they aren't arguments against it. They're just standard AH posts.

    Right dude, read the thread.


  • #210
    humanji
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    rovert wrote: »
    Right dude, read the thread.
    Maybe you should. And take off those anti-rose tinted glasses that make you complain about everybody elses opinions?


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  • #211
    rovert
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭rovert


    humanji wrote: »
    Maybe you should. And take off those anti-rose tinted glasses that make you complain about everybody elses opinions?

    It is quite that I have read the topic, seriously read the posts Oscar Wilde for example.


  • #212
    humanji
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    You labelled most the arguements as stupid and homophobic. Do you not see that you've made a gross generalisation of the people on this thread?


  • #213
    rovert
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭rovert


    humanji wrote: »
    You labelled most the arguements as stupid and homophobic. Do you not see that you've made a gross generalisation of the people on this thread?

    Generally they are either one of those things. Again read the thread.

    What does this have to do with the topic?


  • #214
    mikemac
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,986 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    No statue for Tony Gregory then?
    A man who did a lot for the area then Stephen Gately

    Or even Jim Sheridan, currently the most famous living person from the area, Seville Place.
    When he dies I'm sure he will get a statue too and more deserving then the topic of this thread


  • #215
    rovert
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭rovert


    feelingstressed wrote: »
    No statue for Tony Gregory then?
    A man who did a lot for the area then Stephen Gately

    Or even Jim Sheridan, currently the most famous living person from the area, Seville Place.
    When he dies I'm sure he will get a statue too and more deserving then the topic of this thread

    No one is disputing any of this.


  • #216
    humanji
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Right, perfect example, because you brought it up:
    TBH it's sad we are building statues for him based on his sexuality. Look at Oscar Wilde, fantastic writer and poet, his sexuality will never be questioned upon as to why a statue of him was built. Stephen Gately, average singer made it famous in a failed boyband, I just don't agree with it at all. In fact I think it's a disgrace.


    He got statue because he was gay. What a load of shíte.

    Do you claim that's homophobic? Because they complained that in their opinion the statue isn't being built because of his achievements, but because he happened to be gay and as such that user believed he didn't warrant a statue. That's not homophobic. It would be the same argument if Gately got a statue for wearing green jumpers. The user doesn't believe it's a valid reason for celebration.


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  • #217
    Coriolanus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,879 ✭✭✭Coriolanus


    In fairness it's going in down the docklands. It'll be fúcking decapitated within a month anyway, so it's not as if it matters.


  • #218
    rovert
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭rovert


    humanji wrote: »
    Right, perfect example, because you brought it up:



    Do you claim that's homophobic? Because they complained that in their opinion the statue isn't being built because of his achievements, but because he happened to be gay and as such that user believed he didn't warrant a statue. That's not homophobic. It would be the same argument if Gately got a statue for wearing green jumpers. The user doesn't believe it's a valid reason for celebration.

    What are you ****eing on about that is clearly homophobic.

    I guess you missed me asking him did he read any of Wilde's work, he declined answering. Hence this falls under the stupid and homophobic category.


  • #219
    humanji
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    rovert wrote: »
    What are you ****eing on about that is clearly homophobic.

    I guess you missed me asking him did he read any of Wilde's work, he declined answering. Hence this falls under the stupid and homophobic category.
    No, that's you making an assumption about another user then insulting them. That's all it is. Nothing more.


  • #220
    rovert
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭rovert


    humanji wrote: »
    No, that's you making an assumption about another user then insulting them. That's all it is. Nothing more.

    I didnt make the assumption I asked him a question he refused to answer. Likewise all the people who claimed Gately was untalented without any kind of reason.

    Again I dont see what this has to do with the topic.


  • #221
    arybvtcw0eolkf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,878 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    I bet rovert win's. He fights the war of the flea.


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  • #222
    rovert
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭rovert


    Samson Weak Showboat wrote: »
    I bet rovert win's. He fights the war of the flea.

    Not Ill admit defeat clearly you can make an assessment on someones body of work with reading any of it.


  • #223
    genericguy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭genericguy


    rovert wrote: »
    Rip down the Phil Lynott statue then using that logic.

    phil lynott will be cited by many successful musicians as an influence on their music. i have never once in my life heard any musician say that stephen gately's squeaky backgrond harmonies offered any inspiration to them.


  • #224
    humanji
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    rovert wrote: »
    I didnt make the assumption I asked him a question he refused to answer. Likewise all the people who claimed Gately was untalented without any kind of reason.

    Again I dont see what this has to do with the topic.
    Because it's about reasons against having a statue. And not answering a question doesn't mean you're homophobic.If I asked you for your bank account details and you didn't give them to me, does that mean you're homophobic?


  • #225
    rovert
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭rovert


    genericguy wrote: »
    phil lynott will be cited by many successful musicians as an influence on their music. i have never once in my life heard any musician say that stephen gately's squeaky backgrond harmonies offered any inspiration to them.

    Well done taking my post out of context. Take a look at what I was replying and come back to me.
    humanji wrote: »
    Because it's about reasons against having a statue. And not answering a question doesn't mean you're homophobic.If I asked you for your bank account details and you didn't give them to me, does that mean you're homophobic?

    Congrats at posting jibberish. I never said him not answering the question made him homophobic.


  • #226
    humanji
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    rovert wrote: »
    Congrats at posting jibberish. I never said him not answering the question made him homophobic.
    Rovert wrote:
    I guess you missed me asking him did he read any of Wilde's work, he declined answering. Hence this falls under the stupid and homophobic category.

    So you're juscalling him stupid then? Resorting to personal abuse isn't big or clever.


  • #227
    rovert
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭rovert


    humanji wrote: »
    So you're juscalling him stupid then? Resorting to personal abuse isn't big or clever.

    I said his post was stupid.

    Again what does this have to do with the topic we are discussing?

    What are you trying and failing to prove here? Get to the point please.


  • #228
    humanji
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    rovert wrote: »
    I said his post was stupid.

    Again what does this have to do with the topic we are discussing?

    What are you trying and failing to prove here? Get to the point please.
    You've insulted a large amount of people on this thread. You've called them stupid and homophobic. All, it seems, because you disagree with them. That's what it has to do with the topic. You're desperately trying to discredit peoples opinions on the subject by attacking the poster and not the post.

    If you disagree with someone, then why not actually discuss the piont without resorting to condescension, sarcasm or insults?


  • #229
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    rovert wrote: »

    I guess you missed me asking him did he read any of Wilde's work, he declined answering. Hence this falls under the stupid and homophobic category.
    rovert wrote: »
    Not Ill admit defeat clearly you can make an assessment on someones body of work with reading any of it.

    Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.


  • #230
    rovert
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭rovert


    humanji wrote: »
    You've insulted a large amount of people on this thread. You've called them stupid and homophobic. All, it seems, because you disagree with them. That's what it has to do with the topic. You're desperately trying to discredit peoples opinions on the subject by attacking the poster and not the post.

    If you disagree with someone, then why not actually discuss the piont without resorting to condescension, sarcasm or insults?

    I insulted their posts. Very few points against him having a statue were valid as most ignored who does and doesn’t have a statue and why, ignores the "faults"/circumstances of death in other people who have a statue, had any display of creditability when it came to questioning his talent, often homophobic or had a sprinkle of good old fashioned begrudgery.

    There is little desperation in my posts in fairness as most of the claims by others were very, very easily shot down. Id prefer this topic to be about the topic and not about me.
    mikom wrote: »
    Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

    Wut?

    I guess you missed the sarcasm.


  • #231
    genericguy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭genericguy


    mikom wrote: »
    Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

    can said sauce also be applied to the troll?


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  • #232
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    genericguy wrote: »
    can said sauce also be applied to the troll?

    I don't think there is an orange sauce sweet enough........


  • #233
    rovert
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭rovert


    genericguy wrote: »
    can said sauce also be applied to the troll?

    Attack the post not the poster.

    How am I trolling? Anything I’ve said is backed up by fact I’ve never made any stretches in my arguments. They all been grounded. Im sorry if Ive rained on your parade by being so.

    Again what does this have to do with the topic.


  • #234
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    rovert wrote: »

    I guess you missed the sarcasm.

    Yep, when I post sh1te I often call it sarcasm as well.
    It's like a ironic safety net.......... feels comfy.


  • #235
    genericguy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭genericguy


    rovert wrote: »
    Well done taking my post out of context. Take a look at what I was replying and come back to me.

    i took a look at your post again - that post, as with every single one of yours on this thread, says nothing.

    i have a feeling that if i posted a thread called 'the sky is blue' you would be the first person to tell me it was yellow.


  • #236
    genericguy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭genericguy


    rovert wrote: »
    Attack the post not the poster.

    pot....kettle...


  • #237
    rovert
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭rovert


    Guys can we draw a line in the sand on this? Again this topic isnt about me.


  • #238
    Sam Kade
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,313 ✭✭✭✭Sam Kade


    In years to come people will walk past that statue and say "Stephen Gately who the hell was he?"


  • #239
    genericguy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭genericguy


    rovert wrote: »
    Guys can we draw a line in the sand on this? Again this topic isnt about me.

    why, because you're losing?


  • #240
    genericguy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭genericguy


    Sam Kade wrote: »
    In years to come people will walk past that statue and say "Stephen Gately who the hell was he?"

    and why did he have "BOLLOX" and FCUK THE GARDA" written on his shirt?


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  • #241
    rovert
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭rovert


    Sam Kade wrote: »
    In years to come people will walk past that statue and say "Stephen Gately who the hell was he?"

    Again if that happens it won’t be a phenomenon exclusive to him. That is why there is usually an explanatory plaque at the bottom of most statues.


  • #242
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    rovert wrote: »
    Guys can we draw a line in the sand on this? Again this topic isnt about me.

    Is that sand quicksand, by any chance?


  • #243
    DaveyDave
    Registered Users Posts: 6,290 ✭✭✭DaveyDave


    Sam Kade wrote: »
    In years to come people will walk past that statue and say "Stephen Gately who the hell was he?"

    I think that right now. Show's how unimportant he was.
    genericguy wrote: »
    and why did he have "BOLLOX" and FCUK THE GARDA" written on his shirt?

    :pac:


  • #244
    humanji
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Would it not be a better idea to make some sort of celebration of Irish arts in their entirety somewhere in Ireland? Like the Museum of Rock they have in the States, but with all facits of Irish entertainment. Would there not be a huge market for something like that? Even if it was something on a bit of a smaller scale, like say if they'd put statues of various musicians and literary figures in somewhere central, even along the likes of O'Connell St in Dublin, for example.

    I mean, as people have said, Luke Kelly has had a huge effect on Irish music and culture but gets no statue, so would it not please everyone to celebrate them all? Granted, the money would be an issue, but theroetically, is it not an idea?


  • #245
    purpur1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 239 ✭✭purpur1


    humanji wrote: »
    I mean, as people have said, Luke Kelly has had a huge effect on Irish music and culture but gets no statue, so would it not please everyone to celebrate them all? Granted, the money would be an issue, but theroetically, is it not an idea?

    Thats the problem, it seems, if you have money then you get it. Phil Lynott's was funded over 20 years. Gatelys will be funded by Boyzone. Luke Kelly's family/friends must not hold the same kind of wealth as the Boyzone lads so his only chance would be to get one from the Government (and rightly so). Wasn't this supposed to happen, but got stopped because the public funds dried up or something like that?


  • #246
    rovert
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭rovert


    DaveyDave wrote: »
    I think that right now. Show's how unimportant he was.



    :pac:

    To you
    mikom wrote: »
    Is that sand quicksand, by any chance?

    Again please stop I did ask but you choose continue on.
    humanji wrote: »
    Would it not be a better idea to make some sort of celebration of Irish arts in their entirety somewhere in Ireland? Like the Museum of Rock they have in the States, but with all facits of Irish entertainment. Would there not be a huge market for something like that? Even if it was something on a bit of a smaller scale, like say if they'd put statues of various musicians and literary figures in somewhere central, even along the likes of O'Connell St in Dublin, for example.

    I mean, as people have said, Luke Kelly has had a huge effect on Irish music and culture but gets no statue, so would it not please everyone to celebrate them all? Granted, the money would be an issue, but theroetically, is it not an idea?

    Various attempts have been made but yep it is the money.


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  • #247
    aDeener
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭aDeener


    humanji wrote: »
    Would it not be a better idea to make some sort of celebration of Irish arts in their entirety somewhere in Ireland? Like the Museum of Rock they have in the States, but with all facits of Irish entertainment. Would there not be a huge market for something like that? Even if it was something on a bit of a smaller scale, like say if they'd put statues of various musicians and literary figures in somewhere central, even along the likes of O'Connell St in Dublin, for example.

    I mean, as people have said, Luke Kelly has had a huge effect on Irish music and culture but gets no statue, so would it not please everyone to celebrate them all? Granted, the money would be an issue, but theroetically, is it not an idea?

    he does have a bridge named after him though which is damn cool :cool:

    the idea of a statue to gately is fcuking cringeworthy, i dont know which is worse this or the fact that he was shortlisted for irelands greatest person


  • #248
    purpur1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 239 ✭✭purpur1


    rovert wrote: »
    To you

    That's what i'm wondering though, really how important was he? (I'm asking with regard to the greater Irish public, not fans because it's evident that they feel he's of great importance.) Was he of vital importance to Joe Soap on the street?


  • #249
    rovert
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭rovert


    purpur1 wrote: »
    Was he of vital importance to Joe Soap on the street?

    Way to formulate a leading question.

    Was Phil Lynott of vital importance?


  • #250
    jeckle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 652 ✭✭✭jeckle


    A sculpture is a bit OTT & crude IMO. A plaque on a bench or wall would suffice for the calibre of the late entertainer involved.

    I think that if the remaining Boyzone members want Stephen's name to live on they should set up some sort of annual scholarship/bursary for budding young musicians from the Sherriff Street area, so as they might have the chance of making it in the music/performing arts industry, just as Stephen Gately did.


  • #251
    rovert
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,089 ✭✭✭✭rovert


    jeckle wrote: »
    A sculpture is a bit OTT & crude IMO. A plaque on a bench or wall would suffice for the calibre of the late entertainer involved.

    I think that if the remaining Boyzone members want Stephen's name to live on they should set up some sort of annual scholarship/bursary for budding young musicians from the Sherriff Street area, so as they might have the chance of making it in the music/performing arts industry, just as Stephen Gately did.

    I do think it does come of as self aggrandizing but on a local level he certainly disserves some sort of memorial.


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