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Price Changes FPL 14/15 **Mod warning 1st post**

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  • #102
    CSF
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,548 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    KevIRL wrote: »
    Yep. They've never done it and no reason why they should. It only matters to the fpl obsessives like us, where as the organisers aim has to be to appeal to the average football fan.



    Near to 100% certain its not the case that only 1 price rise per week is in. Its more than likely a different way of measuring the NTI, as highlighted a few times already today on this thread

    If that's the case with the Nti that is different, but if they've completely changed the transfer system like the current evidence suggests (until someone actually moves .2 in a week) that is completely wrong in the same way that not telling us about changes to BPs would be wrong.


  • #103
    KevIRL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,578 ✭✭✭✭KevIRL


    Nope its not because they never reveal the formula for price rises


  • #104
    CSF
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,548 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    KevIRL wrote: »
    Nope its not because they never reveal the formula for price rises

    This isn't about the formula. This would be closer to only having one bonus point on offer instead of the 3 different categories.


  • #105
    zarquon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,734 ✭✭✭zarquon


    CSF wrote: »
    If that's the case with the Nti that is different, but if they've completely changed the transfer system like the current evidence suggests (until someone actually moves .2 in a week) that is completely wrong in the same way that not telling us about changes to BPs would be wrong.

    The methods changed over the last couple of years. Last year was the most extreme version which led to people playing the game like the stock market. It looks like FPL have reverted to the old system from a few years ago which will mean that price rises and decreases will be much less extreme this year.


  • #106
    CSF
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    zarquon wrote: »
    The methods changed over the last couple of years. Last year was the most extreme version which led to people playing the game like the stock market. It looks like FPL have reverted to the old system from a few years ago which will mean that price rises and decreases will be much less extreme this year.

    A vague description of how the transfer market works should be available to us.

    People shouldn't be punished for putting time and thought into the game.


  • #107
    FHFC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,274 ✭✭✭✭FHFC


    KevIRL wrote: »
    Yep I made the same theory myself this morning on this thread (http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=91815473&postcount=78)

    Thought I'd seen someone refer to it somewhere. Only have experience of last year so all before my time.

    If Siggurdsen goes up tonight it will semi confirm the increased NTI theory. Or at least indicate it's still a viable theory.


  • #108
    FHFC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,274 ✭✭✭✭FHFC


    Btw, when this was the case before did the same double/treble approach apply to NTOs for a second price drop?


  • #109
    manual_man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,264 ✭✭✭✭manual_man


    CSF wrote: »
    A vague description of how the transfer market works should be available to us.

    People shouldn't be punished for putting time and thought into the game.

    Agreed. Whoever's responsible for the price change system knows the mechanism will become apparent some time after the conclusion of gw1, so why not just make it known to everybody from the beginning. It reeks of smugness to me. A lot of people take the game quite seriously and play for money etc. , and transfer/wildcard strategy can have a pretty significant impact right from the off, with player prices definitely playing on peoples minds. We'll know soon how the new price change mechanism works, but bugger them they could have just told us in advance.

    For the record, i'd favour a max 0.2 price rise per week over 0.3


  • #110
    qwabercd
    Registered Users Posts: 2,218 ✭✭✭qwabercd


    Gylfi gets his second rise (I'm resident late nighter on here for the next while, on leave from work!)


  • #111
    roryc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,600 ✭✭✭roryc


    It's Thursday and Mata is at 77%. Highly likely he will drop.


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  • #112
    segadreamcast
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    roryc wrote: »
    It's Thursday and Mata is at 77%. Highly likely he will drop.

    Hang on, what *is* happening with price drops? I'm new to checking these indexes, but according to TotalFPL, there are over 20 players over 100% of the needed NTIs to drop, yet as of today not a single player that I can see has dropped in price.....


  • #113
    OneColdHand
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    segadreamcast wrote: »
    Hang on, what *is* happening with price drops? I'm new to checking these indexes, but according to TotalFPL, there are over 20 players over 100% of the needed NTIs to drop, yet as of today not a single player that I can see has dropped in price.....

    Well a bunch of players did drop. The ones that are over 100% are probably injured.


  • #114
    AdMMM
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    It's Thursday and Mata is at 77%. Highly likely he will drop.

    Can't wait for his 20 point haul!


  • #115
    IK09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,055 ✭✭✭IK09


    AdMMM wrote: »
    Can't wait for his 20 point haul!

    You should make him your captain so.


  • #116
    Lemlin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,251 ✭✭✭✭Lemlin


    IK09 wrote: »
    You should make him your captain so.

    That's a good point. Seems there's high expectations for Mata this weekend on the forum but he hasn't a single vote in the captaincy thread.


  • #117
    Mr.Prodston
    Registered Users Posts: 16,305 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Prodston


    I'm fairly sure that was a tongue firmly in cheek comment lads due to all the Mata chatter about. I could be wrong though :)


  • #118
    Lemlin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,251 ✭✭✭✭Lemlin


    Mr.Prodston wrote: »
    I'm fairly sure that was a tongue firmly in cheek comment lads due to all the Mata chatter about. I could be wrong though :)

    I think it was too but I do think IK09 made a very good point. Mata is a good player but he's gained cult status on this forum this week it seems.

    Speaking to people here in work and friends in general, most people are dumping him, and I include some seasoned players I know in that as well as casuals.


  • #119
    IK09
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    Mr.Prodston wrote: »
    I'm fairly sure that was a tongue firmly in cheek comment lads due to all the Mata chatter about. I could be wrong though :)

    Id say its someone with their fingers and toes crossed, with a horseshoe on his head, praying that he performs or else he'll be kicking himself.

    Im going to go out on a limb here and say that its a utd fan aswell...


  • #120
    wonski
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,685 ✭✭✭✭wonski


    roryc wrote: »
    It's Thursday and Mata is at 77%. Highly likely he will drop.

    I have a good feeling this won't happen. He was at 80 previously iirc.

    Most people would do transfer tomorrow though, so his transfers out may increase violently. At least it is not going to be 0.2 as some predicted earlier.


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  • #121
    Necronomicon
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    Lemlin wrote: »
    I think it was too but I do think IK09 made a very good point. Mata is a good player but he's gained cult status on this forum this week it seems.

    Speaking to people here in work and friends in general, most people are dumping him, and I include some seasoned players I know in that as well as casuals.

    Often one extreme reaction provokes another. People see Mata being written off after one game and go to the opposite extreme in his defense. The truth, as always, is probably somewhere in the middle; I think he'll be a solid enough points scorer throughout the season.


  • #122
    Lemlin
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    wonski wrote: »
    I have a good feeling this won't happen. He was at 80 previously iirc.

    Most people would do transfer tomorrow though, so his transfers out may increase violently. At least it is not going to be 0.2 as some predicted earlier.

    I predicted 0.2 earlier in the week because it looked like he would but that was based on last year's system I think now. He'll definitely fall 0.1 tomorrow IMO because the bulk of transfers will occur then.

    He doesn't play until Sunday so chances are he could have a fair few transfers on Saturday too.
    Necronomicon wrote: »
    Often one extreme reaction provokes another. People see Mata being written off after one game and go to the opposite extreme in his defense. The truth, as always, is probably somewhere in the middle; I think he'll be a solid enough points scorer throughout the season.

    I agree. My overall plan is to get him back in as my United cover once I have Aguero up front. My move to transfer him out is more about the team at the minute than the player.


  • #123
    wonski
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    Lemlin wrote: »
    That's a good point. Seems there's high expectations for Mata this weekend on the forum but he hasn't a single vote in the captaincy thread.

    No votes for Sterling either:D

    To be honest I am done with Mata vs Sterling debate. Too much of this on every single thread from Rate my thread all the way to the Chat thread.

    We need a new victim - Ballotelli on the radar now:D


  • #124
    AdMMM
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    IK09 wrote: »
    You should make him your captain so.
    I'm maybe 70% confident that Mata will perform well, but I'm more than 90% confident of a great Costa performance.


  • #125
    IK09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,055 ✭✭✭IK09


    wonski wrote: »
    I have a good feeling this won't happen. He was at 80 previously iirc.

    Most people would do transfer tomorrow though, so his transfers out may increase violently. At least it is not going to be 0.2 as some predicted earlier.

    Highly unlikely that he will drop 0.2m

    Edging closer to 0.1m drop now though @ between 75-77%


  • #126
    IK09
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    AdMMM wrote: »
    I'm maybe 70% confident that Mata will perform well, but I'm more than 90% confident of a great Costa performance.

    I dunno how he will perform, but with a player that seems to be having the offloading that Mata's having, 1 more only average performance could see a mass exodus from him. His price will suffer and your backs against the wall in GW3.


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  • #127
    Thanos
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    IK09 wrote: »
    I dunno how he will perform, but with a player that seems to be having the offloading that Mata's having, 1 more only average performance could see a mass exodus from him. His price will suffer and your backs against the wall in GW3.

    I think this is the big unknown, what will he do this week..........

    Like you say, if he has another off week I can see another big sell off, on the other hand, if he manages a good score it will stem the flow and even reverse it a little. At which point everyone will be waiting to see what he does the following week.


  • #128
    roryc
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    Mata transfers in are still pretty slow - not guaranteed he drops before tomorrow! Currently at 85%, my gut says he'll hang on. Unfortunately he may not hang on until Sunday.


  • #129
    Lemlin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,251 ✭✭✭✭Lemlin


    Per Mertesacker approaching a drop while Kos is going the other way. Mertesacker could be very good value if he continues dropping. He is back training but may not start again this weekend.
    roryc wrote: »
    Mata transfers in are still pretty slow - not guaranteed he drops before tomorrow! Currently at 85%, my gut says he'll hang on. Unfortunately he may not hang on until Sunday.

    He's currently the third most transferred out player today, behind Barkley and Giroud. I'd expect transfers will pick up alot towards this afternoon and evening as the team news comes in.

    My transfer to Sterling was based on the expectation he would drop at least 0.1 so I'll be left with a bit of egg on my face if he doesn't.


  • #130
    IK09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,055 ✭✭✭IK09


    Which is more reliable? fiso.co.uk or totalfpl.com?
    Fiso.co.uk has Fabregas at 80.8% of rise
    totalfpl.com have Fabregas at 43.1% of rise.

    Have noticed that the projections are usually quite similar i.e. within 5% of each other.
    For some reason there are acres between these projections.


  • #131
    Lucas Hood
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,205 ✭✭✭Lucas Hood


    FPL statistics have Fabregas at 90% :).


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  • #132
    IK09
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    Lucas Hood wrote: »
    FPL statistics have Fabregas at 90% :).

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    9.115,244
    43.9%

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  • #133
    Lucas Hood
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  • #134
    OneColdHand
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    IK09 wrote: »
    Which is more reliable? fiso.co.uk or totalfpl.com?
    Fiso.co.uk has Fabregas at 80.8% of rise
    totalfpl.com have Fabregas at 43.1% of rise.

    Have noticed that the projections are usually quite similar i.e. within 5% of each other.
    For some reason there are acres between these projections.

    This must be due to the uncertainty about what it required for a second price rise in a week. The have a similar discrepancy for Sterling: 13% on totalfpl and 26% fiso. I'd say totalfpl has been adjusted to assume that you need double the amount of transfers for the second price rise.


  • #135
    AdMMM
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    Would you say my little horsey Clyne will make it?


  • #136
    wonski
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    For those who never spot this update please click on the News tab on fplstatistics.com or go here.

    A lot of rises and drops predicted for tonight (not before 2am iirc).


  • #137
    alchemist33
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    OneColdHand wrote: »
    This must be due to the uncertainty about what it required for a second price rise in a week. The have a similar discrepancy for Sterling: 13% on totalfpl and 26% fiso. I'd say totalfpl has been adjusted to assume that you need double the amount of transfers for the second price rise.

    This is totally correct. Dier's % halved today on totalfpl; they'd adjusted for the new world with second-per-week rises.


  • #138
    FHFC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,274 ✭✭✭✭FHFC


    FISO confirm on their forum that they haven't changed their formulae as they don't have enough data. FPL Statistics figures are broadly similar so they must be the same. TotalFPL won't load for me at prsent but they seem to have adjusted.

    So if the new double/triple rules are correct then....
    Siggy and Fab won't rise.
    Costa, Schurrle and probably Kos will.


  • #139
    FHFC
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    Lambert, Brady, Cleverly, Luis, Torres, Crouch, Sahko, Sidwell, Brady, Puncheon, Young all set for drops among others.

    Cameron looks across the line too. Bearing in mind of course there is more margin for error at this early stage.

    He who shall not be named just over at 100.6% on TotalFPL. 98 and 99 on the other two. Let us who held him say a few prayers. He just might make it. But I reckon he'll drop.


  • #140
    Gunslinger99
    Registered Users Posts: 60 ✭✭Gunslinger99


    Is Ward Prowse due to rise ? Hes my target for this week and i cant access fiso thanks


  • #141
    F1ngers
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 10,407 Mod ✭✭✭✭F1ngers


    Gunslinger99 wrote: »
    Is Ward Prowse due to rise ? Hes my target for this week and i cant access fiso thanks

    Not a chance.


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  • #142
    wonski
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,685 ✭✭✭✭wonski


    Mata is @99.3 at the moment:D

    0.1 is all we can lose on him.


  • #143
    qwabercd
    Registered Users Posts: 2,218 ✭✭✭qwabercd


    Mata loses the 0.1 anyway. Was always going to drop either today or tomorrow, and I don't think many of us would have transferred him out before the Sunderland game.


  • #144
    kronsington
    Registered Users Posts: 2,009 ✭✭✭kronsington


    Felipe Luis down to 5.9... Surprising

    And a feck load of other players in all positions it seems


  • #145
    Lemlin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,251 ✭✭✭✭Lemlin


    kronsington wrote: »
    Felipe Luis down to 5.9... Surprising

    And a feck load of other players in all positions it seems

    Puncheon, Jonny Evans and Shaw all fell last night. They could be decent options in future.

    Would be great if Evans didn't feature this weekend and went to 5.3.


  • #146
    Chesty08
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    Will El Ahamadi fall?


  • #147
    Invincible
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    kronsington wrote: »
    Felipe Luis down to 5.9... Surprising

    And a feck load of other players in all positions it seems

    33 price changes in all, R Brady down to 4.9, if he hits form like last season could be worth watching.


  • #148
    Smartguy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 214 ✭✭Smartguy


    Can prices fall tonight?


  • #149
    Mr.Prodston
    Registered Users Posts: 16,305 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Prodston


    Smartguy wrote: »
    Can prices fall tonight?

    Yes. They can fall any night


  • #150
    Ziegler1988
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    Filipe Luis will fall again at least once this week. If he nails down a starting spot later in the season, <6m for him is a snip.


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  • #151
    FHFC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,274 ✭✭✭✭FHFC


    What the hell is going on over at TotalFPL's price changes page??


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