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Amz · 23-05-2003 4:37pm #1

I decided to put this into a separate thread to make it easier for Dataisgod to get rid of it and all the nonsense it may possibly churn up!

As you are no doubt aware there has been a debate ongoing on the “trekkiest star trek female” thread.

In all seriousness I asked what purpose 7 of 9’s ample bosom served in the quest for Borg perfection?

This was the first time I’d ever really pondered such questions as
Why is there a need for gender differentiation within the Borg?

Why if they do not reproduce sexually is there a need for the production as such hormones of oestrogen and progesterone, which would cause 7 to have boobedies?

The Borg I would assume have no use for novelties such as these and their aesthetic quality would be wasted on the other members of the collective.

They do not serve a purpose and therefore are (in Seven’s case for example) quite a large imperfection?

azezil · 23-05-2003 6:10pm

The borg assimulate other races, other races do have need for women with boobies

... it would be an unneccessary use of time and resources to 'unsex' every drone.

lamda · 23-05-2003 11:47pm

Ha! Why oh why did I ever mention that woman's breasts????
Anyway my theory is....
Her breasts scare me because they are strangely spherical and seem to be very solid ( perhaps one day I will test this theory and risk a barring order by Jeri Ryan who knows what i'm capable of).. so perhaps they have been reinforced in some way to create body armour???
It could happen!!!:D

MrGump · 24-05-2003 12:21am

I didnt understand anything u just wrote Ms Lamda. Are u suggesting her breasts have been modified to form miniature borg spheres. i dread to think where the cube is??

Why was the sexualising of 7 of 9 neccessary??? Im sure Gene would turn in his grave to learn that a female character from his show (or the progeny of his show) was discussed in such a vulgar manner:D

lamda · 24-05-2003 12:25am

I make complete sense.
I am suggesting that she either has some form of alloy breasts or a melon cut in half down there.
Either I feel is quite plausible

MrGump · 24-05-2003 12:33am

I agree that an alloy is probably in use, perhaps a polyduranide one. Maybe the aesthetic value should be considered. A kind of look what you can have through assimilation???

lamda · 24-05-2003 12:36am

Hmmm I dont hink there is much aesthetic value! They're too threatening:eek:

MrGump · 24-05-2003 12:50am

Well maybe instead of aesthetically pleasing they are threatening. Maybe they are meant to communicate the cohesiveness of the collective and the futility of resistance via their solidity.

Woden · 24-05-2003 1:10am

Indeed amz there have been a number of threads on the trek totty which i for some reason have decided to keep seperate to avoid general confusion, so in answer to your question i point in the direction of azezil's accurate answer and add that 7 of 9 was assimilated from young age after here parents ship the raven was considered a threat by the borg IIRC, though you question does bare merit, why didn't the borg control what ever chemicals cause such large breast growth surely it is inefficient on the resources which are required to cover such an ample cleavage and for that matter we could ask why the borg bother covering such parts of the anatomy at all? is this a hint of modesty in the borg? no doubt that only should have prosthetics which serve an efficient function.

I blame it on the borg queen she showed an inherent sexuality in star trek 8 and perhaps she likes to have beautiful large breasted drones around her sometimes with perfectly spherical breasts, or perhaps they are assimilation tools in which the nano tubes can shoot out from her nipples or something equally nasty if she catches some one staring at them one will never know.

with regards to there sphericity perhaps it is more related to the outfit in question in which the initial forming fitting silver suit apparently served a medical purpose according to the doctor (yeah right) he just wanted to she here in a stiff whale bone corset me thinks, however it does seem in real life a departure from such sphericity has been obtained to some extent by jeri ryan as can be seen by the eye pleasing picutre posted by gordon in one of the threads now enough of my rambling i'm off to bed.

bizmark · 24-05-2003 1:42am

lads its one thing going on about why a warp core is their and what it does

but jeri ryans tits come on lads
their their and damn good looking 2 just take it as that
the main people that watch st are 16- 30 year old males and most men like a nice arse etc so seven was born (kinda for that reasion) its the same with t,pol

MrGump · 24-05-2003 1:49am

Im pretty sure nobody is taking this seriously bizmark. And analysing a warp core seems boring to me.

bizmark · 24-05-2003 1:52am

ill have you know warp cores can make weird colors lol

MrGump · 24-05-2003 1:55am

Im familar with the basic principles of warp fields and the core. that is a result of ten years without many friends and too much money, fortunately i have little money now!

bizmark · 24-05-2003 1:59am

aye us people should see the sun now and again really

l

Spock · 24-05-2003 12:20pm

Jeri's breasts added great lift to the show.

The first time we meet the borg we find the borg children in a little press, maybe they do reproduce.

MrGump · 24-05-2003 12:24pm

nah, they're maturation chambers, for the offspring of assimilated cultures. They accelerate the growth of the child.

Amz · 24-05-2003 2:49pm

I'm not sure why large breasts would be considered perfection by the Borg Queen...

I mean in certain cultures smaller, even saggy boobies are considered appealing?

The production of the hormones which produce the female shape cause certain inefficiencis. The fluctuations in the hormoes each month would not make for efficient running....

Therefore in the long run would it not be easier for the Borg to implant a hormonal inhibitor in human females to prevent such things...

The hormones prduced by humans serve the purpose of preparing them for sexual reproduction therefore if the Borg do not reproduce what is ther point in the Borg drones producing irrelevant chemicals within the body?

MrGump · 24-05-2003 3:23pm

ok, maybe this is an irrelevant question but i will ask. Considering the number of different species assimilated by the Borg each with their separate physiologies would be worthwhile to create such an inhibitor given the small percentage of the human female drones?

Oh god we need to stop!

Question: Did the queen have breasts? Dont think so, i know her suit did but was any of that suit organic?

lamda · 24-05-2003 6:37pm

Re: the Queen..
If the suit has breasts then it stands to reason that she does.. why would you build places for them to go if they weren't there? Dear lord this is getting strange:D

Amz · 24-05-2003 6:42pm

Is the Borg queen human?

GuanYin · 24-05-2003 6:45pm

Maybe they they use some futuristic in vitro fertilization technique to replicate.

lamda · 24-05-2003 6:46pm

Hmmm i dunno she looks kinda human....
With all this talk of breasts though, I feel I need to complain at the lack of attractive males for us girls to look at...
The closest thing if ya ask me is Scott Bakula... but thats probably residual from the Quantum Leap days.
Oh for the pre pubescent days when I used to like Wesley Crusher!!!:D

Amz · 24-05-2003 6:52pm

I agree lamda!

Also with the Scott Bakula thingie... yes I am disturbed by my own twistedness... please dont ban me!!

GuanYin · 24-05-2003 6:54pm

Originally posted by sykeirl
Maybe they they use some futuristic in vitro fertilization technique to replicate.

Oh yeah... in which case they'd need to feed the babies... hence the 7 of 9's breats

(you didn't think I was gonna let that one go)

Amz · 24-05-2003 6:59pm

But how is she producing the Milk to feed the babies!!

GuanYin · 24-05-2003 7:04pm

Originally posted by Amz
But how is she producing the Milk to feed the babies!!

Well she's not, coz shes not in the Borg anymore.
You really need to keep up!!!

If she was in the Borg, they'd give her hormone treatment to stimulate milk production.

Amz · 24-05-2003 7:08pm

Please explain to me how they would do this exactly...

Use correct scientific information so we can appear to be more nerdy than we already do

GuanYin · 24-05-2003 7:25pm

Originally posted by Amz
Please explain to me how they would do this exactly...

Use correct scientific information so we can appear to be more nerdy than we already do

Jeez, Amz, I dunno, they're in the future, they have better medical techniques than we do.

If I was to theorise, I'd say that they induce lactogenesis with some sort of artificial prolactin treatment and then use and electrically stimulating pump to harvest milk from the females while they are recharging all the while continuing treatment with oestrogen and prolactin.

* Disclaimer: I don't watch much Star Trek so I dunno much about Borgs.

Amz · 24-05-2003 7:28pm

Although I don't necessarily agree with your assessment I respect your opinion.

GuanYin · 24-05-2003 7:36pm

Originally posted by Amz
Although I don't necessarily agree with your assessment I respect your opinion.

Mneh, you do realise none of this actually happens yeah?
I'm justmaking stuff up

Hey, maybe the Borg only act all anal to other species, they could be having orgies in their ships when noone is watching...

Hence the big Breasts....

Amz · 24-05-2003 7:40pm

Quiet you!

/me scowls

GuanYin · 24-05-2003 7:43pm

Originally posted by Amz
Quiet you!

/me scowls

Sorry miss

bizmark · 24-05-2003 11:04pm

this convo is getting very very odd lol

trust us irish to blow 3 days talking about the borg tits and what they do for perfectsion lol

i thing that the borg wouldnt care less about such things but why be arsed spending the time of hormone treatments to get rid of brests or nuts lets behonest id perfere to build a borg cube that be arse wasting the time researching hormone treatment for all the speices i take over

and remember on that note the borg dont researc they take info so more than likely they wouldnt have the technology to do it anyway

Amz · 24-05-2003 11:12pm

Couldn't they put laser beams in them though in an attempt to distract the males of species to be assimilated and then

BAM BAM! hahahaha!

Oh yeah I should be the borg Queen!

Gordon · 24-05-2003 11:24pm

'Hey baby, assimilate me, please.'

heh. I take the Borg perfection thing to be that they add to the races that they assimilate. They do not take away from the being but they add to it, hence Jeri kept her unfeasably scrumptious laser-free bob-a-jobs. I can't see any organism perfected by the deletion of some of its attributes, but maybe added to.

Ah, I don't know, everyone needs a Borg's one for a pillow.

roar_ie · 26-05-2003 5:59pm

Is the Borg queen human?

In one of the episodes in Voyeger it is mentioned by the queen that she is not human, some other race can't remember which. A quick search should turn up a more definitive answer, this one coming from memory only.

As for breast and the borg,
You lot really need to get out more

It doesn't matter, and that is probably the borgs attitude.

Here's a question
If the borg did stop horomes in a full grown adult what difference would it make? Apart from the regulating of reproductive ograns would there be any other side affects.

As for the speeding up of a person's development. Would stopping horomes cause some nasty side-effects? Something the borg are aware of and that is why they allow people to follow a normal development cycle, just sped up? And could this explain breasts?

Yours
roar_ie

Spock · 26-05-2003 7:19pm

Maybe its because the show wasn't really that successful, so they suck Jeri in to get more people to watch, no wait, that was the reason and it worked.

MrGump · 26-05-2003 7:28pm

Take it back Spock, take it back!!!!!!

Its true, those borg breasts brought in the ratings, some would say that makes jeri ryan a prostitute and the star trek corporation her pimp.

Woden · 04-06-2003 12:06am

i don't think the borg queen has breasts, as you see in first contact when she gets lowered into the suit (which by the way is very cool) she doesn't have them but as the borg queen is distinctly female perhaps the suit has them or a mechanical equivalent.

and i think the borg may do some research not just assimilating species as if you recall the voyager episode about the omega particle IIRC 7 of 9 mentioned the borg attempted to perfect or obtain the molecule or something along those lines.

Amz · 04-06-2003 12:41am

OK how long would the borg have needed to study humans though?

I mean how long has it been, in star trek terms, since the first humans were assimilated?

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 04-06-2003 12:43am

first contact

bizmark · 04-06-2003 12:51am

um around 10 years (seven of nines family)

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 04-06-2003 12:55am

nope, remember when seven was talking to janeway on voyager and she mentioned the events of first contact

janeway asked what she meant by that and seven said that the borg were there at the time, even though starfleet had no record of it

cos the borg sernt the signal to the borg in the past etc

*edit*

oh god i can't believe I knew that

Woden · 04-06-2003 1:25am

humans where assimilated around the time of first contact but these where 24th century humans so to speak on the enterprise E. I suppose going by enterprise the first humans to be assimilated in there own timeline where those about 100 years after first contact when they found the frozen borg bodies in the arctic circle in the episode regeneration.

Amz · 04-06-2003 1:47am

it was kinda a rhetorical question but meh!

Would the borg in all of their infinite wisdom and advanced state of being not have utilised every available physiological system, chemical etc that could be used?

Boobedies require extra covering/clothing so therefore are less efficient why couldn't the borg develop a way to allow human females to mature without the need for the production of prgesterone LH, FSH or oestrogen?

Woden · 04-06-2003 2:19am

if the borg had such a method would that not be discriminatory against full developed drones which are assimilated? as a result you would to different castes of borg drones which can hardly be perfection as one could possibley be considered more developed or advanced as another. perhaps a decision was made that one form should be chosen over the other and that letting them be so to speak was chosen as this is perfection of the natural form of each individual species and this is what is assimilated by the borg to achieve perfection. also not all species can be assumed to have breasts or there equivalents and perhaps other bodily parts growth would need to be inhibitated for these species and hence it all gets complicated and is much easier forever one to achieve there natural growth.

Amz · 05-06-2003 1:40am

So then what if the Borg assimilated a hermaphrodite?

Woden · 05-06-2003 1:50am

they let it be as that was the natural development for that individual and can only add to there perfection

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