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Ukraines PM - "We still remember well the Soviet invasion of Ukraine and Germany. "
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Clearly not the same person
The lad pictured is in the video is clearly younger and has a light colored beard .
The supposed images calm before the storm clearly shows a man in his 30 ' s with a prominently dark beard
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Elmer Blooker wrote: »The similarities with the Nazi campaign in Russia/Soviet Union during WW2 and the Kiev "government" campaign in eastern Ukraine are striking.
Conversely the similarities between the Nazi's annexation of the Sudetenland (Crimea) and then the false flag operation where Poland was carved up with the Russians (Eastern Ukraine) is also quite striking.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudetenland#Sudeten_Crisis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Himmler
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Poland
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact
The one I see here emulating the Nazi's more is Putins Russia. Yes there are far right actors on the Ukrainian side but tbh looking at the makeup of the so called "Rebels" I would say they are balanced by the unsavoury mercenary types who are driving Moscows proxy war.
The Russians have form doing deals with Nazi's as well and their society today is certainly exhibiting the "freedoms" of Nazi Germany as well
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But it is a foreign national fighting for Azov, something which has been denied here.
According to reports he was an American officer ,
Then a Nato officer
Now apparently a civilian mine clearance expert,
Show where exactly he's fighing ,
I've no issues with people going to fight on behalf of the Ukrainians ,
As long as russian military units are fighting in Ukraine why can't the same happen for Ukraine
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http://www.polishgreatness.com/curzonline.htmlConversely the similarities between the Nazi's annexation of the Sudetenland (Crimea) and then the false flag operation where Poland was carved up with the Russians (Eastern Ukraine) is also quite striking.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudetenland#Sudeten_Crisis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Himmler
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Poland
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact
The one I see here emulating the Nazi's more is Putins Russia. Yes there are far right actors on the Ukrainian side but tbh looking at the makeup of the so called "Rebels" I would say they are balanced by the unsavoury mercenary types who are driving Moscows proxy war.
The Russians have form doing deals with Nazi's as well and their society today is certainly exhibiting the "freedoms" of Nazi Germany as well
The Russians never did any deals with Nazi Germany- Stalin's Soviet Union did. The Poles took huge chunks off the Soviet Union in 1920 as shown in the turquoise area on the map (enlarge it). Stalin saw his opportunity to take back this land in 1939, thats not a justification for Stalinism, its a historic fact! The Poles took this land after the Polish-Soviet War in 1920. As they say there was a bit of history between the Poles and Russians/Soviets.
From your Sudetenland link: As it says the Sudetenland wasn't really a region, was never part of Germany, it was just a stepping stone for Hitler's eventual annexation of Czechoslovakia a few months later. Crimea became a historical part of Russia in 1783. You are very critical of the Soviet regime and rightly so, it was repressive but how you see the undemocratic decision to transfer Crimea from Russia to Ukraine in 1954 by this very regime as "legitimate" is puzzling?The areas later known as Sudetenland never formed a single historical region, which makes it difficult to distinguish the history of the Sudetenland apart from that of Bohemia, until the advent of nationalism in the 19th century.
There wouldn't be any "rebels" in eastern Ukraine if it wasn't for the western orchestrated coup.
Ironic that you mention "freedoms" in Russia in a week where leaders of the "free democratic" west were queueing up to pay tributes to King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia!
"Freedom" seems to be an issue in some countries and not in others. I guess Uncle Sam decides what is and what isn't "freedom"
PS. The British Government did a deal with Nazis when they agreed that Hitler annex Sudetenland and Czechoslovakia. It's called the Munich Agreement.0 -
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So now you accept there are foreign nationals fighting for Azov?
I haven't seen any foreign fighters now I've been watching the situation since the the orange revolution ,so over a decade of course you will get people travelling to fight especially unjustified illegal invasions of sovereign countries that's a fact.
The person supposed identified in the video which is doctored with an American military accent (what ever that exactly means ) now the person supposedly is from London , then the Isle of Man , and he has Swedish friends according to a russian blog ,
Which must mean sweden had unlawfully invaded Ukraine .
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Elmer Blooker wrote: »http://www.polishgreatness.com/curzonline.html
The Russians never did any deals with Nazi Germany- Stalin's Soviet Union did. The Poles took huge chunks off the Soviet Union in 1920 as shown in the turquoise area on the map (enlarge it). Stalin saw his opportunity to take back this land in 1939, thats not a justification for Stalinism, its a historic fact! The Poles took this land after the Polish-Soviet War in 1920. As they say there was a bit of history between the Poles and Russians/Soviets.
From your Sudetenland link: As it says the Sudetenland wasn't really a region, was never part of Germany, it was just a stepping stone for Hitler's eventual annexation of Czechoslovakia a few months later. Crimea became a historical part of Russia in 1783. You are very critical of the Soviet regime and rightly so, it was repressive but how you see the undemocratic decision to transfer Crimea from Russia to Ukraine in 1954 by this very regime as "legitimate" is puzzling?
There wouldn't be any "rebels" in eastern Ukraine if it wasn't for the western orchestrated coup.
Ironic that you mention "freedoms" in Russia in a week where leaders of the "free democratic" west were queueing up to pay tributes to King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia!
"Freedom" seems to be an issue in some countries and not in others. I guess Uncle Sam decides what is and what isn't "freedom"
PS. The British Government did a deal with Nazis when they agreed that Hitler annex Sudetenland and Czechoslovakia. It's called the Munich Agreement.
LOL Elmer I can't believe you just acted as an apologist for the Russians deal with Hitler to carve up Poland. Just when I thought the Putin fan club couldn't stoop any lower you deliver
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Someone needs a history lesson. Here's a map of Europe in the year 1700 before the various partitions of Poland.Elmer Blooker wrote: »http://www.polishgreatness.com/curzonline.html
The Russians never did any deals with Nazi Germany- Stalin's Soviet Union did. The Poles took huge chunks off the Soviet Union in 1920 as shown in the turquoise area on the map (enlarge it). Stalin saw his opportunity to take back this land in 1939, thats not a justification for Stalinism, its a historic fact! The Poles took this land after the Polish-Soviet War in 1920. As they say there was a bit of history between the Poles and Russians/Soviets.
And here's a map of Europe after.
Also note Russia still hasn't returned the city of Kalingrad to Germany and has used it as a stage to threaten Europe.0 -
http://youtu.be/ZxNa4wpgWL8?t=1m2s
Well here it is "Thank you for your service"
Service to the USA?
This video is provided by the Ukraine side.
It has nothing to do with RT news.
It's certainly not a medal the us visitor is handing out us army europe flashes ,
It's given out in the hundreds across the whole of Europe .
Thank you for your service is a common military gesture much like a verbal salute. ie thank you for your service to your country. Thank you for your service to your military
If you want I can sell you one or two flashes
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Pathetic! I take this insult post as a compliment.LOL Elmer I can't believe you just acted as an apologist for the Russians deal with Hitler to carve up Poland. Just when I thought the Putin fan club couldn't stoop any lower you deliver
You either have nothing constructive to say or didn't bother to read my post.
I said the Soviet decision to annex Poland in 1939 was "not a justification for Stalinism"
I've no idea what point you're trying to make by posting maps from an era when Germany didn't even exist!Someone needs a history lesson. Here's a map of Europe in the year 1700 before the various partitions of Poland.0 -
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laoch na mona wrote: »i think western history is perfectly clear, western governments and institutions will prop up any dodgy regime (they even overthrow one's that don't) that suits their interests, so standing by neo nazi's is not a shock.
the problem with the situation in Ukraine is their is no clear good or at least not bad option, the choice is pro westerners with nazi tendencies or pro russians (russia's not a shining light of democracy)
to act like their is an objectively progressive side is to be either so pro western soft imperialism that you ignore the dangerous right wing element in the Ukraine or so anti western imperialism (and probably a raging tankie) that you ignore Russia's imperialist aims and right wing elements
Right wing parties make up less than 4% of the political parties there hardly running the country now are they ,
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One photo of Regular Russian soldiers in the Ukraine is all that is requested, i have yet to see one,can you show us one? Yes or no?
http://www.ibtimes.com/east-ukraine-war-russian-state-tv-purportedly-shows-russian-troops-inside-donetsk-1788520Video footage has emerged from Russian state-controlled television, reportedly shot inside the Donetsk airport in eastern Ukraine, showing soldiers with the insignia of the Russian Naval Infantry, or Russian Marines, on their uniforms
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I can't see this new Greek Government lasting very long. I think a Victoria Nuland phone call is in order!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/greece/11373136/Greece-objects-to-EU-call-for-more-Russia-sanctions.html0 -
I see the US loaned the Ukrainians 2bn today for near term social spending for continuing down the anti corruption road ,
Once they completed the exorcism of russian influence id say they could well be a shinning example to other states fearing czar putin
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSL6N0V71BQ20150128?irpc=932
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By your own standards you will have to do better than that.
If Russia today is not accepted as a valid source how can we accept Ukraine Today as a valid source?
So where is the proof?0 -
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