The Big victorian-esque house in Ongar

DeadlyByDesign · 14-07-2014 1:35pm #1

I pass this most days, and I am very curious as to what it once was? It is now idle, but it looks to have been part of an estate long ago. These things fascinate and I'd be interested to find out what it once was.

ongarite · 14-07-2014 1:56pm

Its just a building built by the developers during construction of Ongar.

There used to be an old estate house but that was demolished during construction.

fletch · 14-07-2014 2:22pm

What about Phibblestown House? Anybody know what it is used for? It's wedged in the middle of a housing estate now.

Larbre34 · 14-07-2014 2:23pm

ongarite wrote: »

Its just a building built by the developers during construction of Ongar.

There used to be an old estate house but that was demolished during construction.

Very diplomatic!

quazzy · 14-07-2014 2:53pm

It was called Phibblestown house. It was an estate of about 14 acres with lots of Farm buildings on it etc...

A friend of mine used to live in it and I spent a lot of time up there with him and his family.

They keep chickens, ducks, goats etc.. on the land

I wasnt even sure if it was still standing after the Ongar estate was built.

Fun fact - Pickerings lifts had a workshop on the site as my friend's dad ran the company.

I have very fond memories of the place.

Must drive around and see the place.

http://www.buildingsofireland.ie/niah/search.jsp?type=record&county=FI&regno=11352004

https://www.google.ie/maps/place/Apartment+2,+Teach+Bhaile+Fiobail,+Phibblestown+Ave,+Dublin+15/@53.399146,-6.4369672,118m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m13!1m10!4m9!1m3!2m2!1d-6.4369739!2d53.3989912!1m3!2m2!1d-6.4370274!2d53.3990975!3e2!3m1!1s0x48676d7ac48b91c5:0x59618ed935f2b767

amdublin · 14-07-2014 4:43pm

where actually is Phibblestown??

And what is in that big old house now? It is beside new apartments?

fletch · 14-07-2014 6:58pm

OP, are you referring to this or this one?

DeadlyByDesign · 15-07-2014 8:28am

The first link fletch, its the one by the playground

TheBandicoot · 15-07-2014 12:11pm

Before the housing came it was an estate/horse stud as mentioned. I believe the local rumour is it was demolished by accident by the builders and thus the current new build was created.

It has been idle since construction. There's constantly talk of turning it into something like a restaurant/hotel/community centre etc, but nothing concrete. Speaking of which, I believe it has pyrite problems. TBH, the whole thing is just depressing.

fletch · 15-07-2014 1:34pm

It was bought recently by a Chinese businessman
http://www.irishtimes.com/business/sectors/commercial-property/bar-site-makes-405-000-1.1754491

MammaZita · 15-07-2014 6:43pm

TheBandicoot wrote: »

Before the housing came it was an estate/horse stud as mentioned. I believe the local rumour is it was demolished by accident by the builders and thus the current new build was created.

It has been idle since construction. There's constantly talk of turning it into something like a restaurant/hotel/community centre etc, but nothing concrete. Speaking of which, I believe it has pyrite problems. TBH, the whole thing is just depressing.

There has been a Community Centre in Ongar for several years. And another (Phibblestown Community Centre) a few hundred metres away.

Ongar House was intended as a pub/restaurant.

Twizzler · 17-07-2014 12:46am

fletch wrote: »

It was bought recently by a Chinese businessman
http://www.irishtimes.com/business/sectors/commercial-property/bar-site-makes-405-000-1.1754491

405K + 200K of pyrite damage....but when you consider that some of the houses in Blackwood/Ongar Chase were bought for over 600K in boom times, it's not a bad deal if you can afford it, if you're looking at getting a return on your investment long-term (putting the issue of needing a family home etc. aside). A few of the units in the village were sold at the Allsop auctions last year for silly money too, e.g.
Dublin AMV: € 35,000 Sale Price: € 62,500 Auction Date: 15th May 2013

[SIZE=-1]
Address: Dublin 15 6 Ongar Square Ongar Village
Description: A Vacant Long Leasehold Self-Contained Second Floor Office Suite extending to Approximately 139.61 sq m (1,502.70 sq ft)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]
[/SIZE]My apartment cost over four times that! It's all about timing.

ongarboy · 17-07-2014 8:45am

amdublin wrote: »

where actually is Phibblestown??

And what is in that big old house now? It is beside new apartments?

I believe Phibblestown house itself is converted apartments also or at least looked like it when I walked by there once

MammaZita · 17-07-2014 9:05am

Phibblestown was an estate where Allendale, "rat road", Scoil Gráinne and parts of Latchford are now.

ozmo · 22-07-2014 4:35am

DeadlyByDesign wrote: »

I pass this most days, and I am very curious as to what it once was? It is now idle, but it looks to have been part of an estate long ago. These things fascinate and I'd be interested to find out what it once was.

It seems to be on the spot of what was called Hansfield House

http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,703837,739490,7,9

But if you use the overlay slider on that page you can see its a quite different layout.

Larbre34 · 22-07-2014 5:31pm

ongarboy wrote: »

I believe Phibblestown house itself is converted apartments also or at least looked like it when I walked by there once

It is alright, nicely appointed ones too.

Arciphel · 23-07-2014 11:37pm

Here's what the old Phibblestown House used to look like...

Then the developers moved in...

I thought all that was up there was apartment blocks like below, didn't know that the original house was still there.

http://i.imgur.com/z6TLQrU.jpg

Any photos of the apartments in it?

Kbellew · 16-12-2014 1:46pm

It was once the holiday home of famous actress and dancer Rita Hayworth

ongarboy · 08-01-2017 8:00pm

Thought this might be the most appropriate thread to give an update on Ongar House (the big yellow house opposite Paddy Power and Rendezvous cafe in Ongar Village).

Good to see some life injected into the building! Not sure I'm mad about the plan for balconies on all sides though....

Plans submitted to Fingal Co Co just before Christmas
FW16A/0190

1) Redevelopment and change of use of Ongar House, from last approved use of restaurant, license bar, Reg Ref No F03A/0607 to use as part retail/cafe & residental, to include retail/ cafe on part of ground floor with ancillary servicing facilities at basement level, with residental use on remainder of ground floor, first floor and new additional second floor at roof level to contain 8 No. apartments with balconies to all elevations. 2) two storey annex building to the side of existing house to contain retail/cafe on ground floor, with 1. No apartment on first floor with roof terrace. 3) construction of new 3 storey apartment building containing 4 No. apartments including 2 No. duplexs, with roof terraces to north-east elevation. 4) site works to include revised roadways to provide new carparking layout, with bin stores & bike stores and ancillary site works.

Phil.x · 08-01-2017 8:06pm

Great, just what the area needed!!

robbie000 · 09-01-2017 11:21am

I would be surprised to see that getting approved for the additional buildings might be allowed to change the main building to residential and retail do.

I think the coffee shop already in Ongar will be putting in an objection anyway as they wont want any competition.

Polar101 · 09-01-2017 4:19pm

What a bizarre plan, 3 storey apartment building and 2 story cafe? I guess they'd knock down most of the trees around the building.

Larbre34 · 09-01-2017 11:14pm

Sooner the better, its the heart of that village and at the moment its dead.

There are plenty of precedents around Dublin where old manors were converted and had wings added on, it can be done very sympathetically.

ongarboy · 13-01-2017 5:42pm

Polar101 wrote: »

What a bizarre plan, 3 storey apartment building and 2 story cafe? I guess they'd knock down most of the trees around the building.

That would be a shame if they remove any of the mature trees as they are one of the nicer elements of the village area!

ongarboy · 01-03-2017 3:36pm

Fingal County Council have refused the application to redevelop Ongar House to include a 3 storey apartment block to the east, additional apartments built on top of the main house roof and a cafe extension.

I looked at the images in the planning document. While I'd love to see the house been developed and utilised, what was proposed was quite ugly. I hope the developers resubmit a more attractive option so that it doesn't remain idle.

FW16A/0190

DeadlyByDesign · 01-03-2017 3:39pm

ongarboy wrote: »

Fingal County Council have refused the application to redevelop Ongar House to include a 3 storey apartment block to the east, additional apartments built on top of the main house roof and a cafe extension.

I looked at the images in the planning document. While I'd love to see the house been developed and utilised, what was proposed was quite ugly. I hope the developers resubmit a more attractive option so that it doesn't remain idle.

FW16A/0190

Even if it was just restored surely you could get a nice B&B or something in there? It's a shame

Phil.x · 03-05-2020 6:57pm

I see builders have been working there over the last few weeks (lockdown). The only building projects I know of that are active are social welfare programs.

Pat Dunne · 04-05-2020 10:30am

DeadlyByDesign wrote: »

Even if it was just restored surely you could get a nice B&B or something in there? It's a shame

What demographic would a “nice B&B” be aimed at in Ongar D15?

ongarboy · 11-05-2020 11:02pm

Phil.x wrote: »

I see builders have been working there over the last few weeks (lockdown). The only building projects I know of that are active are social welfare programs.

I saw a very large Romayos truck drive in there last week too. They must be starting fit out for the restaurant on the side. As you said, I'm surprised any construction workers were allowed to return to non essential work before next Monday.

ongarboy · 14-05-2020 12:27am

https://www.rent.ie/houses-to-let/Ongar-House-Ongar-Dublin-15/2028589/

€2100 pm rent for 3 bed apartments. The interiors and kitchen look remarkably plain for brand new 2020 apartments. I think I'd hate to live on the main street like that with the kitchen smells and noise of a chipper emanating from the soon to be opened Romayos below them. I'd much rather rent in a more residential area of Ongar away from the main street of the village.

Hibernicis · 14-05-2020 12:43am

ongarboy wrote: »

https://www.rent.ie/houses-to-let/Ongar-House-Ongar-Dublin-15/2028589/

The interiors and kitchen look remarkably plain for brand new 2020 apartments.

You’re being very kind. I’d describe it as drab, at a stretch. And that’s before the smell of the deep fat friers.

Phil.x · 14-05-2020 2:31pm

ongarboy wrote: »

https://www.rent.ie/houses-to-let/Ongar-House-Ongar-Dublin-15/2028589/

€2100 pm rent for 3 bed apartments. The interiors and kitchen look remarkably plain for brand new 2020 apartments.

Who are these aimed at? €2100 is just madness.

Or maybe its 3 working couples/singles paying €700 each month for a double bed is probably what they're made for, still big bread.

ongarboy · 14-05-2020 5:06pm

Phil.x wrote: »

Who are these aimed at? €2100 is just madness.

Or maybe its 3 working couples/singles paying €700 each month for a double bed is probably what they're made for, still big bread.

Individual bedrooms everywhere are typically going for €700/800/900 rent pm each in West Dublin so the prices are not extortionate for 3 double rooms. I suppose it would be cheaper again if split by multiple couples.

Rent has always been dearer than monthly mortgage payments for identical properties for years now which is obviously frustrating for renters saving to buy!

The Big victorian-esque house in Ongar

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