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Cycling Fines - What Monitoring Is There ???

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  • #52
    laraghrider
    Closed Accounts Posts: 663 ✭✭✭laraghrider


    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    If that what they were actually saying they'd be a long time dead. They are saying they will continue to do what the normally do which is I assume stop at some light and ignore others when safe

    Well what the poster said was:

    "I don't plan adhering to the rules" - which leads me to conclude that he doesn't have any intention of stopping at red lights if he doesn't feel like it. Glad he clarified in his next post though that he picks and chooses when he feels like cycling within the rules of the road or not. Top stuff altogether.


  • #53
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Confucius say wrote: »
    When I think it's unsafe to others and myself I'll stop

    I hope for your sake you don't come across someone driving a truck with the same attitude.

    The consequences of two people ignoring the rules of the road because it doesn't look unsafe could be very unpleasant for all involved.


  • #54
    Confucius say
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 418 ✭✭Confucius say


    Graham wrote: »
    I hope for your sake you don't come across someone driving a truck with the same attitude.

    The consequences of two people ignoring the rules of the road because it doesn't look unsafe could be very unpleasant for all involved.

    Thanks. 12 years daily in Dublin and London and not even a scrape. I'll take my chances and the Garda won't be able to implement this nonsense properly anyway.


  • #55
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Confucius say wrote: »
    Thanks. 12 years daily in Dublin and London and not even a scrape. I'll take my chances and the Garda won't be able to implement this nonsense properly anyway.

    Lucky you, far be it from me to stop anyone that wishes to self-nominate for a Darwin award on their daily commute.


  • #56
    Confucius say
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 418 ✭✭Confucius say


    Do you cycle in Dublin? It's not dangerous at all. People get hurt during any activity sometimes and most don't.


  • #57
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Confucius say wrote: »
    People get hurt during any activity sometimes and most don't.

    There's no debating with logic like that.


  • #58
    StreetLight
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,440 ✭✭✭StreetLight


    Anyone else noticed lately an increase in some cyclists observing red traffic lights in Dublin City?


  • #59
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    StreetLight wrote: »
    Anyone else noticed lately an increase in some cyclists observing red traffic lights in Dublin City?

    If by 'observing them' you mean look at them as they pedal frantically past them, yes.


  • #60
    Rakish Paddy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 758 ✭✭✭Rakish Paddy


    StreetLight wrote: »
    Anyone else noticed lately an increase in some cyclists observing red traffic lights in Dublin City?

    I've noticed no discernable overall improvement in cyclist behaviour in the past week or so. Every day I still see plenty of jackasses cycling on the path around Amiens St., Talbot St. and Henry St., going through red lights and going the wrong way on a one-way street/cycling on the wrong side of the road.


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  • #61
    Danjamin1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 919 ✭✭✭Danjamin1


    As a cyclist I find it infuriating to see these asshats picking and choosing (or just completely ingnoring) the rules of the road as it gives people the impression that we're all d***heads on a bike. The same clowns that were belting through the lights, cycling on the paths, cycling against traffic, etc. are still going to do it until they get stopped. I doubt the FCPN's are going to make all that much of a difference but I do hope there's some enforcement. I saw a Garda standing on the southside of the canal bridge at Harold's cross this morning, hopefully it was part of a trafffic enforcement activity (all traffic, not just cyclists).


  • #62
    Carawaystick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,779 ✭✭✭Carawaystick


    Danjamin1 wrote: »
    As a cyclist I find it infuriating to see these asshats picking and choosing (or just completely ingnoring) the rules of the road as it gives people the impression that we're all d***heads on a bike.

    How do you feel about the gardaí picking and choosing (or just completely ingnoring) the rules of the road?
    They have publicly stated they will not enforce mandatory cycle lane law by punishing drivers who park in cycle lanes.


  • #63
    Tarabuses
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 734 ✭✭✭Tarabuses


    If the gardaí are not going to police the rules of the road then we are all goosed.


  • #64
    Danjamin1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 919 ✭✭✭Danjamin1


    Carawaystick wrote: »
    How do you feel about the gardaí picking and choosing (or just completely ingnoring) the rules of the road?
    They have publicly stated they will not enforce mandatory cycle lane law by punishing drivers who park in cycle lanes.

    It's just as bad if not worse, they're giving no incentive for people to obey the rules of the road if they don't plan on enforcing them, they make a mockery of the system. It's a joke. If they don't plan on taking things seriously how can the expect the general population to?


  • #65
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Carawaystick wrote: »
    They have publicly stated they will not enforce mandatory cycle lane law by punishing drivers who park in cycle lanes.

    I don't dispute your statement but it would be nice to see a source.


  • #66
    KTR1C
    Closed Accounts Posts: 241 ✭✭KTR1C


    Noticed zero change to the cyclists in Dublin city in the past week. Same carry on as normal.


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  • #67
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    No, zero difference overall since the start of the month. Behaviour has been getting steadily better for the last few years, but haven't seen any kind of sea change in the last week.


  • #68
    Carawaystick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,779 ✭✭✭Carawaystick


    Graham wrote: »
    I don't dispute your statement but it would be nice to see a source.

    http://irishcycle.com/2015/08/07/road-safety-should-come-before-economic-requirement-culture-of-garda-management-needs-to-change/


  • #69
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Carawaystick wrote: »
    http://irishcycle.com/2015/08/07/road-safety-should-come-before-economic-requirement-culture-of-garda-management-needs-to-change/

    That doesn't say they aren't going to police it, it says vehicles making deliveries or broken down vehicles will be given some latitude.

    Personally I think cars otherwise just parked on cycle paths should be fined/lifted, in the same way I think cyclists breaking red-lights should be fined.


  • #70
    Danjamin1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 919 ✭✭✭Danjamin1


    Graham wrote: »
    That doesn't say they aren't going to police it, it says vehicles making deliveries or broken down vehicles will be given some latitude.

    Personally I think cars otherwise just parked on cycle paths should be fined/lifted, in the same way I think cyclists breaking red-lights should be fined.

    "Should" being the operative word. There's plenty of things that should be done but I won't be holding my breath for any of them to actually come in to effect. Some people will get away with things because there's no one there at the time to enforce the law and others will get away with things because the enforcers just don't give a sh*t.


  • #71
    schemingbohemia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,606 ✭✭✭schemingbohemia


    Graham wrote: »
    That doesn't say they aren't going to police it, it says vehicles making deliveries or broken down vehicles will be given some latitude.

    Personally I think cars otherwise just parked on cycle paths should be fined/lifted, in the same way I think cyclists breaking red-lights should be fined.

    The problem is that some "deliveries" take ages, like as long as a coffee break, but once they leave the hazards on and/or are a goods vehicle it seems the AGS are happy enough to ignore them.


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  • #72
    Carawaystick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,779 ✭✭✭Carawaystick


    Irish Times wrote:
    Supt John Ferris said that many of the cases raised involve delivery vehicles and there was an ‘economic requirement’ to this use of cycle lanes

    Councillor gets a garda impression of the law



    I'm sure these 2 squad cars absolutely needed to park here


  • #73
    beauf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,648 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    That section of the "Cycle Lane" in the park has had the surface removed for about 3yrs (maybe more) at this point. As such its an unfinished road surface.

    Let them park in it. All its good for shaking everything on the bike loose.


  • #74
    dubscottie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 854 ✭✭✭dubscottie


    ?? Cyclists always say they don't have to use cycle lanes and are safer on the road..

    Next thing Garda cars parked on cycle lanes is suddenly a big thing.

    Its like a kid having a toy that they have not played with in yonks, but want it back once another kid picks it up to play with.


  • #75
    beauf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,648 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    Motorists talking about cycle lanes is like listening to someone insist the world is flat.

    Cant blame motorists for being utterly clueless about cycle lanes. As whomever ever created most them hadn't a notion about them either.


  • #76
    monument
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 14,088 Mod ✭✭✭✭monument


    dubscottie wrote: »
    ?? Cyclists always say they don't have to use cycle lanes and are safer on the road..

    Next thing Garda cars parked on cycle lanes is suddenly a big thing.

    Its like a kid having a toy that they have not played with in yonks, but want it back once another kid picks it up to play with.

    And how would you explain the contradiction of motorists wanting people to cycle in cycle lanes but motorists parking in cycle lanes?


  • #77
    shodge
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 68 ✭✭shodge


    monument wrote: »
    And how would you explain the contradiction of motorists wanting people to cycle in cycle lanes but motorists parking in cycle lanes?

    The grass is always greener on the other side


  • #78
    shodge
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 68 ✭✭shodge


    monument wrote: »
    And how would you explain the contradiction of motorists wanting people to cycle in cycle lanes but motorists parking in cycle lanes?

    The grass is always greener on the other side, some will never be happy no matter what.


  • #79
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    monument wrote: »
    And how would you explain the contradiction of motorists wanting people to cycle in cycle lanes but motorists parking in cycle lanes?

    Outside of the 'latitude' previously mentioned, the rules should be changed (or enforced) such that cyclists must use a cycle lane where one is available and motorists parked across a cycle lane should be fined/lifted.

    I'd be all for passing responsibility for clearing cycle lanes to 'parking enforcement'.


  • #80
    beauf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,648 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    Its was changed from that to what it is now. About two years ago.

    You should look up why.


  • #81
    galwaycyclist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,912 ✭✭✭galwaycyclist


    Why is it that you never seem to come across motorists calling for bus and taxi drivers to be prosecuted for not staying in bus lanes?


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  • #82
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    galwaycyclist wrote: »
    Why is it that you never seem to come across motorists calling for bus and taxi drivers to be prosecuted for not staying in bus lanes?

    That would get my vote too.

    There's nothing like as many buses/taxis jumping red lights, tearing down footpaths though.


  • #83
    ArmaniJeanss
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,512 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    Surprising as it might sound I have to make a series of right hand turns on my commute, so being in the correct lane for this means I won't be able to obey your compulsory cycle path law, even in the nirvana of them being well maintained. Good road craft and safe cycling often means I start preparing to move into the correct lane 400+metres before the turn.


  • #84
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    ArmaniJeanss wrote: »
    Surprising as it might sound I have to make a series of right hand turns on my commute, so being in the correct lane for this means I won't be able to obey your compulsory cycle path law, even in the nirvana of them being well maintained. Good road craft and safe cycling often means I start preparing to move into the correct lane 400+metres before the turn.

    That sounds quite sensible where there is nothing else to facilitate bicycles turning right.


  • #85
    Macy0161
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,484 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    dubscottie wrote: »
    ?? Cyclists always say they don't have to use cycle lanes and are safer on the road..

    Next thing Garda cars parked on cycle lanes is suddenly a big thing.

    Its like a kid having a toy that they have not played with in yonks, but want it back once another kid picks it up to play with.

    Those are on road cycle lanes, aren't they? It's some of the grade separated ones that are the main bone of contention.


  • #86
    cdebru
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,761 ✭✭✭cdebru


    Macy0161 wrote: »
    Those are on road cycle lanes, aren't they? It's some of the grade separated ones that are the main bone of contention.


    Road way cycle lanes are where cars push all the dirt, broken glass, rubbish etc from the roadway, so unless they are regularly cleaned even if empty they not always suitable to cycle in


  • #87
    cdebru
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,761 ✭✭✭cdebru


    Rakish Paddy wrote: »
    I've noticed no discernable overall improvement in cyclist behaviour in the past week or so. Every day I still see plenty of jackasses cycling on the path around Amiens St., Talbot St. and Henry St., going through red lights and going the wrong way on a one-way street/cycling on the wrong side of the road.

    How many people have been killed or injured because of this would you say ?


    http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/three-people-lose-their-lives-following-road-carnage-two-people-seriously-injured-31439185.html

    Where do you think Garda resources should be directed ?


  • #88
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    cdebru wrote: »
    How many people have been killed or injured because of this would you say ?


    http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/three-people-lose-their-lives-following-road-carnage-two-people-seriously-injured-31439185.html

    Where do you think Garda resources should be directed ?

    Are you suggesting Garda resources should only be directed at offences where people are killed?


  • #89
    cdebru
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,761 ✭✭✭cdebru


    Graham wrote: »
    Are you suggesting Garda resources should only be directed at offences where people are killed?


    Where resources are limited they should be directed where they can have most effect on people's lives and saving lives, it is a simple but obvious point that although you find the behaviour annoying afawk no one was killed or seriously injured, where as multiple people were killed in traffic collisions just over this weekend.


  • #90
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    cdebru wrote: »
    Where resources are limited they should be directed where they can have most effect on people's lives and saving lives, it is a simple but obvious point that although you find the behaviour annoying afawk no one was killed or seriously injured, where as multiple people were killed in traffic collisions just over this weekend.

    I'm sure anyone that's stolen a car or is driving without insurance would agree with you.


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  • #91
    beauf
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    Graham wrote: »
    I'm sure anyone that's stolen a car or is driving without insurance would agree with you.

    What exactly is your point? If indeed there is one.


  • #92
    cdebru
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,761 ✭✭✭cdebru


    Graham wrote: »
    I'm sure anyone that's stolen a car or is driving without insurance would agree with you.

    I'm glad to see you are keeping everything in perspective,are you really comparing a cyclist taking a short down a one way street with driving a stolen car ?


  • #93
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    cdebru wrote: »
    ,are you really comparing a cyclist taking a short down a one way street with driving a stolen car ?

    No, you were polarising Garda activity into preventing road deaths or not.


  • #94
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Worth noting in the Phoenix Park that the roads are under the authority of the OPW. So the full extent of the road traffic acts do not apply, only those sections dealing with the conduct of vehicles in a public place.
    So parking in the cycle lanes in the park is in fact perfectly legal unless an OPW warden says otherwise.


  • #95
    cdebru
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,761 ✭✭✭cdebru


    Graham wrote: »
    No, you were polarising Garda activity into preventing road deaths or not.


    No but even still, drivers of stolen cars are probably over represented in serious traffic incidents compared to their percentage among road users.
    Gardai have lots of work to do but with regards to road safety then, stopping a cyclist taking a short cut shouldn't be top priority, if the cyclist is seriously endangering other people it shouldn't be ignored but other than that its not the most important thing just because it pees you off.


  • #96
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    cdebru wrote: »
    stopping a cyclist taking a short cut shouldn't be top priority

    Where was it suggested it should be top priority?


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  • #97
    LXFlyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,924 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    At the end of the day it is down to everyone, be they cyclists, drivers or pedestrians to behave more responsibly and obey the law.

    As a nation we are spectacularly bad at that when it comes down to road traffic legislation.

    There needs to be a significant culture change across all of the road users in this country, and people picking one over the other are really looking at it with rose tinted glasses.


  • #98
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    lxflyer wrote: »
    At the end of the day it is down to everyone, be they cyclists, drivers or pedestrians to behave more responsibly and obey the law.

    As a nation we are spectacularly bad at that when it comes down to road traffic legislation.

    There needs to be a significant culture change across all of the road users in this country, and people picking one over the other are really looking at it with rose tinted glasses.
    We have a really bizarre view of road safety in this country. We continually mock our own driving and complain about the state of the roads. We go abroad to Germany, the UK and the Netherlands and regale our mates with stories about how much better-mannered and better drivers they all are than Irish drivers.

    When in reality we're right up there at the top with those guys in terms of road safety.

    So either we can't be as "spectacularly bad" at this as we think we are. Or we all compensate for it.

    Either way I think the fact that so many Irish people get worked up about the minutiae and enforcement of the road traffic laws is a good thing. It shows that we at least think and care about it. In plenty of other countries (like Italy), road traffic legislation is seem as advisory and you will literally get blasted out of it and shouted at for daring to obey it, if it holds someone else up.


  • #99
    beauf
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    cdebru wrote: »
    ..if the cyclist is seriously endangering other people it shouldn't be ignored but other than that its not the most important thing just because it pees you off.

    Cyclists are over presented in the media so people lap it up without actually looking at the stats.


  • #100
    galwaycyclist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,912 ✭✭✭galwaycyclist


    seamus wrote: »
    We have a really bizarre view of road safety in this country. We continually mock our own driving and complain about the state of the roads. We go abroad to Germany, the UK and the Netherlands and regale our mates with stories about how much better-mannered and better drivers they all are than Irish drivers.

    When in reality we're right up there at the top with those guys in terms of road safety.

    So either we can't be as "spectacularly bad" at this as we think we are. Or we all compensate for it.

    All "developed" countries show trends for falls in road deaths over time. Some societies achieve this by making the roads safer for all e.g. the Netherlands etc Some achieve this by trying to put as many people as possible into cars. UK & Ireland etc. Then former involves road safety, the latter involves re-engineering the mix of road users. The latter "approach" imposes additional health burdens.
    Either way I think the fact that so many Irish people get worked up about the minutiae and enforcement of the road traffic laws is a good thing. It shows that we at least think and care about it. In plenty of other countries (like Italy), road traffic legislation is seem as advisory and you will literally get blasted out of it and shouted at for daring to obey it, if it holds someone else up.

    As I recently pointed out in another thread - when penalty points came in there was a "sea change" in Irish driver behaviour. Then after a month or two it became clear that the "Irish Police Service" were nowhere to be seen. Apparently, eating doughnuts etc had a higher priority than public safety - if you'll excuse the sarcasm.

    So everyone went back to business as usual.


  • #101
    Tarabuses
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 734 ✭✭✭Tarabuses


    cdebru wrote: »
    No but even still, drivers of stolen cars are probably over represented in serious traffic incidents compared to their percentage among road users.
    Gardai have lots of work to do but with regards to road safety then, stopping a cyclist taking a short cut shouldn't be top priority, if the cyclist is seriously endangering other people it shouldn't be ignored but other than that its not the most important thing just because it pees you off.

    I think the point being missed here is that cyclists running red lights, travelling the wrong way on one way streets or on the wrong side of the road are putting themselves in danger not just pedestrians.

    There are many cyclist injuries each year. How many are caused by ignoring the rules of the road?


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