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DCM Class of 2011- the continuing challenge

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,166 ✭✭✭red face dave


    Thanks Ecoli. Quick question I am struggling with the stride running a mixture of weather and no where to do them over the last few weeks. I really want to get quicker I feel like I only have the one gear.

    If I was to play soccer on a Wednesday would this be the same as strides. Probably a stupid question.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,883 ✭✭✭Younganne


    Dave if its any help to you when im finished the run i just walk the required 80m back out the road and then run back in faster than normal, then walk back to the start as the recovery...you could do it up along the side of the soccer pitch either....
    I think the idea of doing them after the run is to train the legs to run fast when a bit tired and doing it during soccer might not have the same effect...but i stand to be corrected on that!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,166 ✭✭✭red face dave


    Very true. My runs are done around a block which is fairly busy in the evening I suppose I could go to a football pitch but the closest one to me has no lights. Maybe it might be easier now the evenings are getting longer.

    I could always do them after football note to self don't be so lazy and get out and do it, stop making excuses.:)

    One bad run does that your head.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭BobMac104


    hey another question for anyone who can help. The club are doing mile repeats tonight (5 i think with 4-5 min recovery). according to daniels i shouldnt be doing mile intervals unless i have a vDot of >65 ( mine is only 47) therefore dosent give a pace to do them at. I was thinking of just doing them at something like threshold pace minus ten seconds. Any suggestions?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,762 ✭✭✭✭ecoli


    @ Red face dave Don't worry too much if you cant get the strides in after your run. These aren't so much for speed but more so for form. If you want you can do them in the middle of the run ie 1 mile easy top strides and then proceed at a point where you are able to do them safely. If you are going to go this route however I would say do them on a seperate day to your tempo (say Saturday). In terms of using football as an alternative I would say the closest session you can get to football is intervals moreso than strides. Strides are all about form and shouldnt be tiring

    @BobMac If the club are doing mile repeats with that recovery I think the most suitable pace for you would be 5 mile/10k pace. This should stand to you come Raheny as you will get race specific paced work. You are right in that with longer recoveries like this you need to be running a little harder than threshold pace just take it handy as that can be a very tough session for even the most experienced runners and dont be afraid to pull the plug if you working too hard in the last rep or two


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭BobMac104


    @BobMac If the club are doing mile repeats with that recovery I think the most suitable pace for you would be 5 mile/10k pace. This should stand to you come Raheny as you will get race specific paced work. You are right in that with longer recoveries like this you need to be running a little harder than threshold pace just take it handy as that can be a very tough session for even the most experienced runners and dont be afraid to pull the plug if you working too hard in the last rep or two[/QUOTE]

    Thanks for your help its much appreciated!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭Nules10


    ecoli i have a few things on this weekend and was going to do my 75min run on wednesday. Anyway thing is i think i will miss one run or will have to do 5 days in a row. Did that last week and it nearly killed me. So my question is which session is best to leave out.... one of the 5milers??


  • Registered Users Posts: 52 ✭✭KittyMittens


    Morning all, quick question, does anyone know or recommend anywhere I could get a sports massage around Clontarf /IFSC / Town? Have a sore lower calf muscle thats not going away! Thank you


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,762 ✭✭✭✭ecoli


    @ Nules This is probably a more doable way of getting the most out of the week considering your prior engagements. If you can try get out for a 15-20 min jog on the Sunday but if you have no time what so ever not to worry

    |Mon|Tue|Wed|Thur|Fri|Sat|Sun|
    |Rest|5m|75 min run|Rest|5 Miles easy|3 mile tempo + 4x80m strides|Rest

    @KittyMittens I usually get my physio work/ sports massages off Vinny Mulvey but that probably a bit far out for you alot of people recommend this one in town but its not cheap

    http://functionaltraining.ie


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,928 ✭✭✭✭rainbow kirby


    ecoli wrote: »
    but that probably a bit far out for you alot of people recommend this one in town but its not cheap

    http://functionaltraining.ie

    I've gone to Peter Matthews there a few times for sports massage, he's really good.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 52 ✭✭KittyMittens


    Thanks ecoli, will try functional training in the next couple of weeks :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 218 ✭✭galwayhooker


    Have totally neglected running since dcm but no more excuses - going out for 5 mile run tomorrow to see how I get on.knee seems to be ok.going to kettlebells in Navan tomorrow night - thanks younganne for info again.might see you there :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,883 ✭✭✭Younganne


    enjoy Kettlebells class tonight Galwayhooker...which class are you going to... i won't be there tonight as still on antibiotics for chest infection and wouldn't have the energy for the class...enjoy the class and take it easy...Colm, Eamonn & Annette are lovely...

    I hate not being able to run but hoping to try an easy 3m Sat morn to see how i'm getting on!!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,762 ✭✭✭✭ecoli


    Younganne wrote: »
    enjoy Kettlebells class tonight Galwayhooker...which class are you going to... i won't be there tonight as still on antibiotics for chest infection and wouldn't have the energy for the class...enjoy the class and take it easy...Colm, Eamonn & Annette are lovely...

    I hate not being able to run but hoping to try an easy 3m Sat morn to see how i'm getting on!!!!

    If you are on antibiotics I wouldnt recommend running for atleast 3-4 days after you finish the course. The problem with antibiotics is they eliminate not only the bad but also the good meaning that your immune system is quite low even the day you finish. You should always allow a few days to let your immune system build up again before putting it under stress in case you relapse


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,883 ✭✭✭Younganne


    Thanks Ecoli...finishing them today so will leave it till Sunday/Monday so...thought the 2 days would be enough...not sure if i'll be doing Raheny 5m now...no running since 29 Dec...what would you recommend for getting back into it next week?
    I was thinking
    mon - 3m easy.
    tue - 3m easy.
    thur - 5m easy,
    sat - 80 mins easy...


  • Registered Users Posts: 218 ✭✭galwayhooker


    Younganne wrote: »
    Thanks Ecoli...finishing them today so will leave it till Sunday/Monday so...thought the 2 days would be enough...not sure if i'll be doing Raheny 5m now...no running since 29 Dec...what would you recommend for getting back into it next week?
    I was thinking
    mon - 3m easy.
    tue - 3m easy.
    thur - 5m easy,
    sat - 80 mins easy...


    Well just back from the half 8 kettlebell class and boy did I feel it :) so glad I went as really needed kick start like that class to get my ass back in gear since the marathon.instructors there very nice - couldn't get over big crowd and how I had never heard of class before.
    Ah you poor thing you with chest infection but ecoli is totally right by saying to take it easy when on antibiotics - you will only do more damage by going out and putting pressure on yourself.I was so happy with my first ever marathon time but ended up with knee injury after and it killed me not being able to run.felt like had gone into depression after such a high!!no pain at all in knee after class tonight so it's worth it to stick it out.
    Presume you live about Navan so if you ever want any company for run def let me know - can pass on my mob no to you.I live in Kells.I ended up doing marathon as group called Meath marathon group who would meet up at about 1/4 to 9 every sar morn for long runs encouraged me - very nice gang.we are hoping to meet up sat morn again in new yr so def join us.can let you know night before if they head out for run - and group is different levels.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,166 ✭✭✭red face dave


    Having a good week this week. Running is much easier when things are going right. Got 2 good sessions in so far. Hoping to go for my first mountain run on Saturday going to do either a 10k or a half marathon race in the Sileve Blooms mountain on Easter Sunday just to try something different. Anyone any words of wisdom on what to expect.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,762 ✭✭✭✭ecoli


    Younganne wrote: »
    Thanks Ecoli...finishing them today so will leave it till Sunday/Monday so...thought the 2 days would be enough...not sure if i'll be doing Raheny 5m now...no running since 29 Dec...what would you recommend for getting back into it next week?
    I was thinking
    mon - 3m easy.
    tue - 3m easy.
    thur - 5m easy,
    sat - 80 mins easy...

    I think if you can schedule it this way it might help you just make sure that the immune system builds back up

    mon - 3m easy.
    Wed - 3m easy.
    fri- 3 miles easy
    sat - 60mins easy..

    after this you can go back into full training the following week


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,883 ✭✭✭Younganne


    Well just back from the half 8 kettlebell class and boy did I feel it :) so glad I went as really needed kick start like that class to get my ass back in gear since the marathon.instructors there very nice - couldn't get over big crowd and how I had never heard of class before.


    Presume you live about Navan so if you ever want any company for run def let me know - can pass on my mob no to you.I live in Kells.I ended up doing marathon as group called Meath marathon group who would meet up at about 1/4 to 9 every sar morn for long runs encouraged me - very nice gang.we are hoping to meet up sat morn again in new yr so def join us.can let you know night before if they head out for run - and group is different levels.

    Its actually this evening & tomorrow that you will feel the effects of the class:eek:...but a gentle run is actually the best way of stretching out the muscles....i'll be back next week to class but i go to 7.30 class as i go on my way home from work....

    I would definitely be interested in meeting up some of the Saturdays, i live 12 miles outside Navan but its only a 20min spin in!!!! I would love company on a run as i only ever train on my own and think it would do me good to make sure i'm running a conversational pace when I'm suppose to!!!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,883 ✭✭✭Younganne


    Having a good week this week. Running is much easier when things are going right. Got 2 good sessions in so far. Hoping to go for my first mountain run on Saturday going to do either a 10k or a half marathon race in the Sileve Blooms mountain on Easter Sunday just to try something different. Anyone any words of wisdom on what to expect.

    Great book called "Feet in the Clouds" and its all about Fell/mountain running...OMG it doesn't sound easy, i'm reading it in slow motion...keep picking up other books too.....i can pass it on to you when i'm finished if your interested!!!!

    Enjoy the run....sorry i can't give any advice except watch the footing if its loose underfoot!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭Nules10


    Having a good week this week. Running is much easier when things are going right. Got 2 good sessions in so far. Hoping to go for my first mountain run on Saturday going to do either a 10k or a half marathon race in the Sileve Blooms mountain on Easter Sunday just to try something different. Anyone any words of wisdom on what to expect.
    Good to hear things are going well this week dave. Mountain run :eek: that sure as hell will get the heart pumping. Looking forward to a race report on that one. When ya starting a log dave ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,883 ✭✭✭Younganne


    Started reading P&D Advanced Marathoning last night as i got it at christmas and OMG there is some good stuff in there. It gives a great explaination to the elements of training and how you can improve some...but nothing you can do about others....its really making me want to get back to my training.....hoping to follow the marathon plan for the up to 55m per week 18 week plan!!!

    the current plan is
    • Raheny 5 - 29th Jan...hopefully
    • Meath Spring Half Marathon - 4th March
    • Cork Marathon 4th June....

    Anyone else thinking of Cork or any other marathons????


  • Registered Users Posts: 218 ✭✭galwayhooker


    Younganne wrote: »
    Well just back from the half 8 kettlebell class and boy did I feel it :) so glad I went as really needed kick start like that class to get my ass back in gear since the marathon.instructors there very nice - couldn't get over big crowd and how I had never heard of class before.


    Presume you live about Navan so if you ever want any company for run def let me know - can pass on my mob no to you.I live in Kells.I ended up doing marathon as group called Meath marathon group who would meet up at about 1/4 to 9 every sar morn for long runs encouraged me - very nice gang.we are hoping to meet up sat morn again in new yr so def join us.can let you know night before if they head out for run - and group is different levels.

    Its actually this evening & tomorrow that you will feel the effects of the class:eek:...but a gentle run is actually the best way of stretching out the muscles....i'll be back next week to class but i go to 7.30 class as i go on my way home from work....

    I would definitely be interested in meeting up some of the Saturdays, i live 12 miles outside Navan but its only a 20min spin in!!!! I would love company on a run as i only ever train on my own and think it would do me good to make sure i'm running a conversational pace when I'm suppose to!!!


    Am def feeling pain in legs today - going up stairs was a struggle :) def come along sat morn.the group doesn't get back into proper swing till march but got txt last fri from few people asking if anyone was interested in running sat morn.before the marathon there was a group of about 10 plus heading out religiously at quarter to 9 every sat morn and we did our 16 - 20 mile runs.great company - we met at ramparts in Navan and on wed we did speed work at track in Navan.paddy our trainer from Dublin was lovely.there was a nice dinner and night out in Navan with the gang in Navan after marathon and we all travelled up to marathon on mini bus. you are taking it easy at the mo which you should do but will def txt ya nxt time I am heading out with gang for run.see that you are thinking of doing cork mar.i am def gona do it so be nice to have a run buddy for the long runs esp coming up to marathon.girl in our gang who did long runs with us didn't do Dublin but she wants to do cork as well.I will msg my no to you - might do earlier class thurs nxt week with kettle bells - see how running week goes - was gona go for run around Navan and then to class - will see how lazy I am nxt week :€


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,166 ✭✭✭red face dave


    Thanks Anne very kind of you. I think I will wait and see what its like first before I take the book off you. I am useless at running up hills never mind a mountain so its going to be a case of digging deep.

    Nules, I have been thinking about starting a log but I cant think of a good title any help :-)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,883 ✭✭✭Younganne


    Galwayhooker, thanks got PM and sent reply...ye defo be interested in linking up for Cork...will talk to you soon...i have program done out starting 31 jan for 18 weeks so going to spend next few weeks getting back into the regular running and building back up to where i was before Christmas!!! Talk soon.

    Dave...you'll probably be a dab hand at running mountains by the time i'm finished reading the book...enjoy the run tomorrow...as for the log anything goes...have a look at some of the log titles and you'll see....it will come to you while out running some day;)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,883 ✭✭✭Younganne


    hurray - 1st run of 2012 completed!!!
    16th January 2012 - 3.14m, 30.46mins, 9.47ave pace, 163 avgHB

    at last i got my first run of 2012 in....went for a 3m at lunch and have to say its a beautiful day out....

    i ran the first mile with a friend that is builing up mileage and is doing great with 4.7m completed but she found the pace a little too much for her so she dropped back and i went on to finish at my own pace

    Distance=ave pace/avg HR
    m1=10.30/151
    m2=9.36/167
    m3=9.16/174


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,762 ✭✭✭✭ecoli


    Hi Folks

    Here is this weeks plan with two weeks to go till Raheny a big effort should be put in on Wednesday

    |Mon|Tue|Wed|Thur|Fri|Sat|Sun|
    |Rest|5m|Fartlek|5m|rest|5 miles easy|75mins

    Fartlek: 1 mile easy, 6x3 min @ 5 mile pace, 2 min off recovery, 1 mile easy


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,883 ✭✭✭Younganne


    The table for the new year...feel free to change it

    Name|Weeks Sessions|Weeks Distance|Weeks Total|Monthly Total|Yearly total|Comments
    BobMac104|||||
    Younganne|0|0|0|0|0|back to it today|
    red face dave||||
    Nules10 ||||
    Conseng||||
    run44|||||
    shazkea||||
    KittyMittens|||||
    Cutex||||
    sunflowerro|||| |
    Jimh|||| |
    Kit3 ||||
    Alitoast|||||

    back running today so will put that in next weeks log:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭BobMac104


    Thanks Anne are the sessions and distance columns for the week or total?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,883 ✭✭✭Younganne


    i reckon weekly to keep the same format as before...the monthly & yrly total are just for people to see how they are progressing...as i said any changes or better format.... work away...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭BobMac104


    Name|Weeks Sessions|Weeks Distance|Weeks Total|Monthly Total|Yearly total|Comments
    BobMac104|6|41.6|2?|76.6|76.6|so far so good for 2012|
    Younganne|0|0|0|0|0|back to it today|
    red face dave||||
    Nules10 ||||
    Conseng||||
    run44|||||
    shazkea||||
    KittyMittens|||||
    Cutex||||
    sunflowerro|||| |
    Jimh|||| |
    Kit3 ||||
    Alitoast|||||


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,883 ✭✭✭Younganne


    Name|Weeks Sessions|Weeks Total|Monthly Total|Yearly total|Comments
    BobMac104|6|41.6|76.6|76.6|so far so good for 2012|
    Younganne|0|0|0|0|back to it today|
    red face dave||||
    Nules10 ||||
    Conseng||||
    run44|||||
    shazkea||||
    KittyMittens|||||
    Cutex||||
    sunflowerro|||| |
    Jimh|||| |
    Kit3 ||||
    Alitoast|||||


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭Nules10


    Name|Weeks Sessions|Weeks Total|Monthly Total|Yearly total|Comments
    BobMac104|6|41.6|76.6|76.6|so far so good for 2012|
    Younganne|0|0|0|0|back to it today|
    red face dave||||
    Nules10 |4|24|58|58
    Conseng||||
    run44|||||
    shazkea||||
    KittyMittens|||||
    Cutex||||
    sunflowerro|||| |
    Jimh|||| |
    Kit3 ||||
    Alitoast|||||


  • Registered Users Posts: 221 ✭✭run44


    Name|Weeks Sessions|Weeks Total|Monthly Total|Yearly total|Comments
    BobMac104|6|41.6|76.6|76.6|so far so good for 2012|
    Younganne|0|0|0|0|back to it today|
    red face dave||||
    Nules10 ||||
    Conseng||||
    run44|4|31.25m|61.5m|61.5m|Getting back into the long runs gradually!|
    shazkea||||
    KittyMittens|||||
    Cutex||||
    sunflowerro|||| |
    Jimh|||| |
    Kit3 ||||
    Alitoast|||||


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭Nules10


    Name|Weeks Sessions|Weeks Total|Monthly Total|Yearly total|Comments
    BobMac104|6|41.6|76.6|76.6|so far so good for 2012|
    Younganne|0|0|0|0|back to it today|
    red face dave||||
    Nules10 |4|24|58|58
    Conseng||||
    run44|4|31.25m|61.5m|61.5m|
    shazkea||||
    KittyMittens|||||
    Cutex||||
    sunflowerro|||| |
    Jimh|||| |
    Kit3 ||||
    Alitoast|||||


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,166 ✭✭✭red face dave


    Name|Weeks Sessions|Weeks Total|Monthly Total|Yearly total|Comments
    BobMac104|6|41.6|76.6|76.6|so far so good for 2012|
    Younganne|0|0|0|0|back to it today|
    red face dave|4|17.5|34.5|34.5|
    Nules10 |4|24|58|58
    Conseng||||
    run44|4|31.25m|61.5m|61.5m|
    shazkea||||
    KittyMittens|||||
    Cutex||||
    sunflowerro|||| |
    Jimh|||| |
    Kit3 ||||
    Alitoast|||||


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,883 ✭✭✭Younganne


    Dave how did the mountain run go?? that's great mileage for last week!

    Galwayhooker how were the legs by sat morn...(how far away was the toliet seat) if you have done kettlebelss class you will know what i me :eek:

    i went to class Sat morn and legs just starting to recover:o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭BobMac104


    HOw are ye finding the kettle bells? there is an offer in town for classes at the moment sounds tough enough.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,883 ✭✭✭Younganne


    I really love the class, its very tough for the first class or 2 especially but after that you get use to the class...we never do the same class twice so something different every week..It all depends on the instructors you get and I have to say the guys in Navan are fab...we pay as you go €10 per class with every 7th class free...Sat morn class €8

    its great for the core strength and i definitely feel it has helped me with staying upright when i get tired running instead of slumping which leads to better intake of oxygen so helps that way too...give it a try and see how you get on...won't do you any harm anyway!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭BobMac104


    sounds class alright in fairness thanks Anne


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭BobMac104


    ok ICE BATHS/cold water baths

    who uses em , who thinks they are good and how do you go about doing them.

    Ie do you jump in straight away after your run or do it on a seperate occasion?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,883 ✭✭✭Younganne


    i have never used them and don't know if i ever could but i do the hot/ice cold shower and i find them helpful...I just have my normal shower after a LSR and then turn the control to the coldest setting and cover from my waist down, i put a towel over my shoulders as you get very cold very quickly, then i go back to hot back to cold etc until i feel the legs easing out....
    maybe do a search for ice baths see what comes up...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭BobMac104


    Thanks Anne, ya I use the ol cold blast on the legs alright but i get fierce cold very fast.Its too tempting just to have a hot shower and forget about it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,883 ✭✭✭Younganne


    legs definitely thank you for it though after...so can you imagine how good an ice bath would be if a blast of the shower can make such a difference!!!:eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭BobMac104


    Just gonna have to HTFU and try it i think.


  • Registered Users Posts: 52 ✭✭KittyMittens


    Name|Weeks Sessions|Weeks Total|Monthly Total|Yearly total|Comments
    BobMac104|6|41.6|76.6|76.6|so far so good for 2012|
    Younganne|0|0|0|0|back to it today|
    red face dave|4|17.5|34.5|34.5|
    Nules10 |4|24|58|58
    Conseng||||
    run44|4|31.25m|61.5m|61.5m|
    shazkea||||
    KittyMittens|2|7.3|20.3|20.3|Cant seem to get leg fixed and back running|
    Cutex||||
    sunflowerro|||| |
    Jimh|||| |
    Kit3 ||||
    Alitoast|||||


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭BobMac104


    sorry to hear that KM ..
    hope it comes right for you soon


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,883 ✭✭✭Younganne


    hope you are on the mend soon Kittymittens..take it easy and make sure you don't do too much.
    What is the issue and what does physio say regarding it being sorted??

    EDIT:scrap the questions, just remembered its your calf...did you get massage yet and how did it help??


  • Registered Users Posts: 52 ✭✭KittyMittens


    Thanks all, nothing too serious just seems to be a bit knot thats tricky to get rid of. Am entered for Raheny but can always give it a miss if not right by then


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,762 ✭✭✭✭ecoli


    Thanks all, nothing too serious just seems to be a bit knot thats tricky to get rid of. Am entered for Raheny but can always give it a miss if not right by then

    Have you seen a physio. Sports massages can be great for that kind of thing was having similar problem with the calf and got massage monday and has helped clear it up a good bit. Its always best to get these things sorted early when there only a niggle as usually this will mean that you dont have to take any time off as a result of it.

    Also its easier to keep level head when you have a niggle. Many of us when are injured for a while can get desperate and try any solution we hear of and sometimes phyio's/sports therapist exploit this by having you on everynew fandangled treatment that costs an arm and a leg but if its only a niggle we are able to make sure that the phyio/sports therapist we go to is actually treating the injury properly as opposed to dragging it out to maximise the amount of money they make off us

    **Not saying all sports injury practicioners are like this but there can be the odd cowboy


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