Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13

daithijjj wrote: »

If i could be arsed to go and look for the match thread on boards im 100% confident the feeling was with most people that if we could beat Arsenal we still had a great chance of 4th, it died that day and we were very unlucky. I may be wrong but i think there's a bit of bending of the details in your assessment there. If we had beat Arsenal (how we lost that game i will never know) we would have had 42 points. Arsenal and Chelsea would have had 46 and we had a game in hand. So im sorry, but that was a good chance at 4th in my book. It didnt materialise.

And i doubt it will this year either.

So what you meant was if we won the game against Arsenal, and if we had won our game in hand as well, then we would have been in a position to say we were in with a great shout of competing for 4th place after 26 games last season.


For a guy who was quick to say that folks should stick to the actual facts, you are throwing a lot of ifs and maybes in there.


The actual facts are that we were not in with a good chance of 4th place in March last season as you claimed because the actual facts are that were were 10 points behind 4th place come the first Saturday of March and we were 13 points behind 4th come the final game weekend of March.

The ifs and maybes of what might of been that season are worthless, just as the ifs and maybes of games already played this season are equally worthless.


But if, and there is that word again, you want to say that the potential outcomes of a past situation represent proof that there was a good chance of getting 4th, then surely a person could argue something similar about where the team is now and be pretty much as spot on in that opinion as you are in your one.

Personally I disagreed with your comment that we were in with a good shout of 4th last March simply because the actual facts shown in the league table (which can be seen on premierleague.com) from that date show we were not.

Ifs and maybes for something that has not happened are more valid imho than ifs and maybes for something that is already set in stone because at least with the former there is a chance, no matter how slim it can happen, whereas the latter cannot be changed.

I just think that last season's 4th place challenge is being looked at through rose tinted glasses as by the 26th game last season we were dead in the water and it at no point from then onwards did we even look like getting back into it even when other teams had slip ups.



Of course if you happen to be in possession of a fully functional time machine that operates more along the lines of a Victor Von Doom machine rather than a Looper style machine, then I retract my comments and fully expect to be deleted from the timestream. In the event of the above happening, I hope that my deletion causes some kind of feedback in the linear timestream and wipes the whole lot of ya out.:p

Suso is playing with spain u21s tonight and theres a rake of lads playing for the england u21s from us tonight aswell, might watch the england game myself if i can find a stream.

firemansam4 wrote: »

I don't often comment on here, and probably do a lot more lurking than anything else, but the same theme seems to keep cropping up about the pro kenny versus pro rodgers!

Kenny is now gone so I don't really see the relevance of the constant comparisons between Rodgers and Kenny now, the fact of the matter is there were many games we could have and should have won under Kennys rein just as there have been under Rodgers this year, the positions are not that different, although I personally think that 4th place is a step too far for us this year.

Kenny should never have been sacked and at least deserved another season to turn things round.

I think Brendan has showed enough to be given the chance of another season and see how we progress, and then can be judged at that stage.

To be fair I don't think Daithi or I were trying to have a Kenny vs Rodgers debate. It was more a case of me disagreeing that we were still in with a shout of 4th in March of last season, and given that come the weekend we will be on the exact same amount of league games played as we were at the startof March last season, it is more a case of looking to see where the team has improved/disimproved rather than directly comparing the current manager to our last manager.

gafferino wrote: »

Good for us that we dont play till Monday with everyone away on international duty - but having to play then on Thursday away in Russia is an absolute joke. The FA should have moved the WB game to the Sunday to give their own teams the best chance in a European competition.
Im assuming next week will be something like -

play Mon night,
travel Tuesday,
train Wednesday,
play thurs night,
travel back late that night or Fri morning,
train Saturday
play Sunday.

That is gonna take its toll id imagine - WB and Swansea are very tough to beat and that schedule just makes things harder. Have to get 3 points V WestBrom before the travelling starts.

Id say itll be like the anzi game were we practically send the reserves, maybe hendo downing borini might travel but i doubt alot pf the first team will play, anzi were far from impressive in their home game, only beating us one nil and they're ahead lf zenit in the russian league so well probably do it again?

mike65 wrote: »

I'll guess Suso will be lucky to get a start unless its a development game.

Aye, he only came on as a sub in their last game but if their national team is anything to go by its pretty good going to be getting a look in t the u21s for the lad.

Suarezistheman wrote: »

I wish people would stop getting ahead of themselves. When was the last time we won nine or 10 games in a row? Let's just take it one game at a time (cliche alert) I remember we had a couple of good results then lost to Villa at home. West Brom at home is going to be tough, let's get the 3 points our form deserves and move on to the next game

Yep...I feel slightly queasy every time I hear/read that "Liverpool are still in with a shout of 4th".

Keep getting flashbacks of Graeme Souness wittering on about not giving up on the title race until it became 'mathematically impossible' when it was clear to everyone that it was done and dusted.

In theory we could still finish 13 points ahead of ManU (assuming we win all of our games and they lose all of theirs) - possible but unlikely, and only slightly less unlikely than Chelsea, Spurs Arsenal and Everton all spectacularly collapsing and us going on a run of form not seen in 25 years.

No sign of Sterling, Sturridge or Wisdom on that poster either....

Gerrard looks slightly pasty and worried

I was pessimistic about finishing 4th even after the Norwich match, and having not won against Arsenal or City and seen the paucity of the squad on show at Oldham and Mansfield, there isn't a run of fixtures possible that would get me excited about our chances.

I recall one of the lads off the Anfield Wrap (Guttman I think it was) speaking after the West Ham match about our easy run up to Christmas, saying that he couldn't see us being anything more than a couple of points off 4th by the time the Man United match rolled around. Cue a ridiculous hammering by Aston Villa.

Our inability to get over conceding the first goal against the run of play, our propensity to panic when toothless dominance gives the opponents hope and then confidence, and years now of profligacy in front of goal have not gone away because we took advantage of poor defending at Arsenal and managed two great strikes in a good performance against City. Sometimes I just can't believe how quickly some people forget how maddeningly inconsistent we are. So many players in that squad are their own worst enemies, and I think the people setting themselves up for a fall by getting exited about a push for 4th based on a fixture list when we've won 1 of our last 5 are much the same.

Midlife Crashes wrote: »

Reina ruled out a switch to Barca
http://www.football365.com/news/21554/8473258/Reina-rules-out-Barca-switch

Ok, seriously, lets not start getting upset when our players refuse to be drawn on transfer speculation.

His actual quotes;

"When I sign a contract I fulfil it and I have signed with Liverpool until 2016," he said, before adding: "Barcelona is the best club in the world.

"I know what it means because I trained there as a player and as a person."

If he was on form and had said anything other than the above, people would be freaking out. It works both ways, and to be honest I'd rather if all players kept quiet about transfer stuff like this.

I know his time at LFC may be drawing to a close, but lets not forget that he has contributed more than most in his time with the club. He deserves to be treated with massive respect by all LFC fans.

Sappy404 wrote: »

I was pessimistic about finishing 4th even after the Norwich match, and having not won against Arsenal or City and seen the paucity of the squad on show at Oldham and Mansfield, there isn't a run of fixtures possible that would get me excited about our chances.

I recall one of the lads off the Anfield Wrap (Guttman I think it was) speaking after the West Ham match about our easy run up to Christmas, saying that he couldn't see us being anything more than a couple of points off 4th by the time the Man United match rolled around. Cue a ridiculous hammering by Aston Villa.

Our inability to get over conceding the first goal against the run of play, our propensity to panic when toothless dominance gives the opponents hope and then confidence, and years now of profligacy in front of goal have not gone away because we took advantage of poor defending at Arsenal and managed two great strikes in a good performance against City. Sometimes I just can't believe how quickly some people forget how maddeningly inconsistent we are. So many players in that squad are their own worst enemies, and I think the people setting themselves up for a fall by getting exited about a push for 4th based on a fixture list when we've won 1 of our last 5 are much the same.

Eh, we got over it on Sunday.

With the two new players cup tied in the Europa League it should be Suarez and Borini sent out to play, we should play to win every game, it may be a minor cup in term of Champions League, but if we have a chance of winning it, we should go for it. I agree with leaving Gerrard at home, he can't be playing every game

I'd like to see a full strength team for Zenit tbh.

Imagine the boost it would give the supporters and the club if we could deliver more silverware this season.

It would be fantastic, no two ways about it.