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Are you going to pay the household charge? [Part 1]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭goz83


    Haven't seen a worse bit of betting advice since this..

    I reckon the 5/1 odds are just about right. It'll take a few day to confirm all the numbers who have PAID by the deadline. In total, I now have €20 on that bet. Come on all the "NO" campaigners. I might be up €100, but the government will see none of it (except for the vat when i spend it). ....but I will likely just claim it back anyway hehehehe


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭goz83


    Did hogan say he has 57 black sacks in his office? hehe.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭ilovesleep




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,327 ✭✭✭Merch


    why I wonder is the first piece of information I have received about this a threat.

    Two days ago I received a final reminder?? telling me what it is being spent on, it all seems a bit wishy washy, how do I know it really is being spent on what it says.
    Why doesnt the Government itemise taxation so we (and presumably they) can see what is being spent on what and where?

    Surely in a catchment area of a certain number of people, a certain amount of services are going to cost X (im not saying it is or isnt being spent on those services, just I dont really know)
    So why put all the tax money into a black bag (hole) and dip into it when they need to pay for stuff (services)? why not itemise it all, maybe then they could rank and rate performance and effectiveness and value for money based on actual performance of services paid out of the tax pot??

    I'd even be inclined to pay if I thought the above might be done even if I knew it would increase, all I am aware of now is that they are assuring us it will increase and to an as of yet unknown (maybe unaffordable level) and that really its all wishy washy as to what it will be spent on really.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,397 ✭✭✭Paparazzo


    dvpower wrote: »
    Good plan. Does this work with Income Tax too?

    Haven't got a letter in the door requesting income tax either.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭squod


    Merch wrote: »
    So why put all the tax money into a black bag (hole) and dip into it when they need to pay for stuff (services)? why not itemise it all, maybe then they could rank and rate performance and effectiveness and value for money based on actual performance of services paid out of the tax pot??

    Ballymun will get better services than I will and 50% of the population there won't have to pay. Phil Hogan should just fuhk off.


    Performance related anything in PS land is off the table. There's no sign of anyone hiring process engineers in any of the government departments.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,080 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    I don't care what the money is going toward.

    I don't need to riot to protest.

    Suspend all payment to suspected corrupt public figures pending a criminal investigation. If found not guilty, reinstate payment. If found guilty, imprison them.
    Frezze bonuses to all public figure inc semi stat organisations.
    All expenses to be capped.
    Reduce top civil servants and politicians salary's
    Make one person accountable for certain sectors of the public service. If they run over budget or mismanagement occurs, sack them and replace with someone who can do the job.
    When wage caps are in place, ensure they are not circumvented by contracting (as opposed to employing) a consultant.

    Once the government gets its house in order, it can start looking at my house.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,988 ✭✭✭constitutionus


    goz83 wrote: »
    I reckon the 5/1 odds are just about right. It'll take a few day to confirm all the numbers who have PAID by the deadline. In total, I now have €20 on that bet. Come on all the "NO" campaigners. I might be up €100, but the government will see none of it (except for the vat when i spend it). ....but I will likely just claim it back anyway hehehehe


    i got 5/1 on nice and libon 1's off celtic bookmakers.

    no wonder ivan yates went bust !

    :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 87 ✭✭Buford Tannen



    You'd be better off giving the 100 euro to the con artists,at least then there is a better chance of the money staying in the country


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    squod wrote: »
    Ballymun will get better services than I will and 50% of the population there won't have to pay. Phil Hogan should just fuhk off.


    Performance related anything in PS land is off the table. There's no sign of anyone hiring process engineers in any of the government departments.

    Right on both counts. The ones who are, inexplicably, exempt from a HOUSEHOLD charge will, allegedly, enjoy the same "amenities" as the rest of us - all of whom have not cost the Government a cent to house.

    I still find it most peculiar that:

    1. The proposed charge was not stopped at source.

    2. I have not received a bill for this proposed charge.

    One other thing - is it true that those cnuts in Dail Eireann are exempt from the charge?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    goz83 wrote: »
    I have a €5 bet on paddy power 5/1 for less than 30% to have PAID by the dead line. I think I will throw another €15 at that bet, so I will be €100 up. I predict that a good few will register and pay just beyond the deadline, or within an extended deadline, but the government will have to take the funds in another way....most likely income tax. It will spell the end of them and they will spend another decade, or two trying to recover after the next election.



    So who'll make up the government then? Sinn Fein and the ULA? :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    dvpower wrote: »
    Far too much. Its a pity about the deficit. If we didn't have to borrow €18bn a year, we might have been in a stronger position to deal with unsecured bondholders.

    But we only borrow that to sustain high Public Sector/Civil Service "entitlements" along with a ridiculously over-generous SW system.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Paparazzo wrote: »
    Haven't got a letter in the door requesting income tax either.
    That right. Like this tax, with income tax, you must contact the Revenue yourself and make the payment without any invoice (or, if you're an employee, have your employer do it on your behalf).

    No invoices and no bulk mailings.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    One other thing - is it true that those cnuts in Dail Eireann are exempt from the charge?
    Of course its not true. Don't be so silly.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,438 ✭✭✭5live


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    Right on both counts. The ones who are, inexplicably, exempt from a HOUSEHOLD charge will, allegedly, enjoy the same "amenities" as the rest of us - all of whom have not cost the Government a cent to house.

    I still find it most peculiar that:

    1. The proposed charge was not stopped at source.

    2. I have not received a bill for this proposed charge.

    One other thing - is it true that those cnuts in Dail Eireann are exempt from the charge?
    No, TDs and senators will have to pay it too. The wording on the bill is poor but it basically says that houses owned by the Mininter of the Environment are exempt but this relates to local authority housing stocks, NOT his personal residence


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    5live wrote: »
    No, TDs and senators will have to pay it too. The wording on the bill is poor but it basically says that houses owned by the Mininter of the Environment are exempt but this relates to local authority housing stocks, NOT his personal residence

    Freddie already knows this. Its been explained here a number of times and on other threads that Freddie has been *contributing* to.

    He is just stirring the pot.


  • Site Banned Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Andy!!


    According to the radio around 75% of households haven't even registered yet.

    Good on you! Don't bow to this bull. If that high a figure refuse to pay, the government will buckle eventually. Keep going! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    5live wrote: »
    The wording on the bill is poor but it basically says that houses owned by the Mininter of the Environment are exempt but this relates to local authority housing stocks, NOT his personal residence
    Actually the wording on the bill is fine, it says that properties vested in the Minister (i.e. under the care of his office) are exempt. The confusion arose when he stated in the Dail that properties owned by the minister were exempt, but this has long since been clarified.


  • Registered Users Posts: 99 ✭✭chickencurry02


    On the household charge website i saw the following paragraph, What does the 12 years relate to?


    Furthermore, both the €100 charge and any accumulated late payment fee will be a charge against the property concerned and will continue to be such for twelve years after the charge or late payment penalties concerned became due. Any Household Charges or late payment penalties due on a residential property will have to be discharged, in full, before a transfer or sale of the property can be completed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,484 ✭✭✭username123


    On the household charge website i saw the following paragraph, What does the 12 years relate to?


    Furthermore, both the €100 charge and any accumulated late payment fee will be a charge against the property concerned and will continue to be such for twelve years after the charge or late payment penalties concerned became due. Any Household Charges or late payment penalties due on a residential property will have to be discharged, in full, before a transfer or sale of the property can be completed.

    Interesting. I dont think they can legally continue to enforce the debt or add penalties and interest after 12 years.

    Incidentally, there was a judgement on my parents house from way back in the early 80s and after they died and we were selling the house, the amount of the original judgement was along the lines of 5k, plus interest and penalties etc came to around 12k. The solicitor contacted revenue and because more than 12 years had passed they agreed to settle for the original 5k only and told us to forget the interest and penalties - presumably this was also because the person who had incurred this judgement was now dead - perhaps if my father had sold the house himself before he died he would have had to pay it in full. Dont know, just speculating.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 262 ✭✭coup1917


    Im quite frankly astonished at the level of sh%t Phil Hogan is having to put up with over this tax.. Just listening to matt cooper there basically siding with everyone against paying... As for the txters complaining about Phils arrogance; why should he have to sweet talk people into paying.? This tax has been inacted into law and must be paid. And what a joke it is to hear about people not being able to pay this week cause the wrbsite is busy or 'we dont know how to pay'....!!

    Its refreshing to hear Phil tell it like it is, its not arrogance, its treating people like adults who are refusing to accept their obligations..

    This moaning about tax makes me sick....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 350 ✭✭Cesium Clock


    coup1917 wrote: »
    This moaning about tax makes me sick....

    there should be a tax on sick too, something else you would be obliged to pay,

    the ammount of posters on here who just want to pay pay pay bankers and speculators debt is unreal,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,734 ✭✭✭Newaglish


    there should be a tax on sick too, something else you would be obliged to pay,

    the ammount of posters on here who just want to pay pay pay bankers and speculators debt is unreal,

    Surely by now you understand this tax has nothing to do with repaying bondholders? That without any of those problems we're still running a massive deficit?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,213 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    hondasam wrote: »
    Has anyone here changed their minds and paid or will pay before Saturday?

    No. I will definitely not pay now or in the future. The whole thing is now a laugh and I'll tell you what happened this morning.
    I took my dog for a walk through the fields behind my house. I came back a longer route and through a new estate. As i was passing a biggish house with two cars in the drive, an Avensis and a Golf, a man came out and asked me what breed my dog was. I got talking to him and the subject of the Property Tax came up. To my amazement he told me he was exempt as his was an unfinished estate. His estate is in great condition and his home has at least four bedrooms. There are a few empty houses in the estate but apart from the road being a bit bumpy there is nothing wrong with that estate.
    Why the Hell should I pay ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21 buzz123


    Where To wrote: »
    No one will go to court.

    Everyone will pay.

    Eventually.


    Did some mighty Soothsayer suddenly enlighten you with this wisdom? how the hell do you know whether or not anyone will or won't pay? you can't even guarantee you next breath ffs !!.


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Gabriel Obedient Umbrella


    coup1917 wrote: »
    Im quite frankly astonished at the level of sh%t Phil Hogan is having to put up with over this tax.. Just listening to matt cooper there basically siding with everyone against paying... As for the txters complaining about Phils arrogance; why should he have to sweet talk people into paying.? This tax has been inacted into law and must be paid. And what a joke it is to hear about people not being able to pay this week cause the wrbsite is busy or 'we dont know how to pay'....!!

    Its refreshing to hear Phil tell it like it is, its not arrogance, its treating people like adults who are refusing to accept their obligations..

    This moaning about tax makes me sick....

    just pay the tax dont be silly our government stole from us for years because people just payed the tax. where i live this tax will not benefit me at all the government claim we are a low tax economy but we have so many "charges" that people are being driven into the ground i have no issue with being taxed its the hidden taxes and "charges" that must be protested

    also im not obliged to do anything we are there bosses and on most subjects i feel politicians are hard done by but there are times when you need to tell them how you feel.
    if they do this and get voted back in like fianna fail did for years then its on the people of ireland if they can get away with it they will rob us blind


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,065 ✭✭✭crazygeryy


    coup1917 wrote: »
    Im quite frankly astonished at the level of sh%t Phil Hogan is having to put up with over this tax.. Just listening to matt cooper there basically siding with everyone against paying... As for the txters complaining about Phils arrogance; why should he have to sweet talk people into paying.? This tax has been inacted into law and must be paid. And what a joke it is to hear about people not being able to pay this week cause the wrbsite is busy or 'we dont know how to pay'....!!

    Its refreshing to hear Phil tell it like it is, its not arrogance, its treating people like adults who are refusing to accept their obligations..

    This moaning about tax makes me sick....

    You obviously like taking it in the ass constantly.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,515 ✭✭✭✭admiralofthefleet


    no. not until the banks start paying back what they owe


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 350 ✭✭Cesium Clock


    Newaglish wrote: »
    Surely by now you understand this tax has nothing to do with repaying bondholders? That without any of those problems we're still running a massive deficit?

    why was 170m took from the councils to pay 'other debts' then,
    now we are asked to stump 160m to give to the councils

    rob peter to pay paul


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 262 ✭✭coup1917


    there should be a tax on sick too, something else you would be obliged to pay,

    the ammount of posters on here who just want to pay pay pay bankers and speculators debt is unreal,

    I dont look on it as paying bankers or speculators. I look at it as being tax compliant in an effort to get the country back on track. Seriously, where do you think the money is going to come from..? Or will europe continue to look after us until we get into another property cycle...? In an ideal world we would see the dozen or so bankers and the like brought to justice. It still wont bridge the gap. We have absolutely nothing positive to turn the economy around right now. It could take years so we have to start somewhere.

    The country has been freeloading for too long on a property myth. So now fianna fail are gone, its fine gael who have been tasked by europe to implement this tax. Or would you prefer to bring in sinn fein, people before profit & a bunch of mindless bickering independents to impose the charge, as they would indeed be forced to implement it also.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom



    rob peter to pay paul

    Rob peter to pay Hans


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭xflyer


    Watching the news now, scaremongering still going on. Hogan still at it. Now he's telling us the 'international community' won't like if if we don't pay. More like they will applaud us, in my opinion. Plus the head of Fingal CC is claiming he won't have any money to pay people. Seriously does he think we're all stupid? What a fool!

    But at least one reporter, Davin-Power made it clear, even if we don't pay it for months it will still only rise to €116. At that the stage the point will be made and the government humiliated.:D I'll happily pay it then.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,213 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    shades of gay mitchell's presidential campaign there !

    :D

    Yes mind yourself as the backpedallers could bang into you.
    There's a lot of them tempering their posts at the minute.
    Humble Pie awaits.
    The Govt figures are being doctored too as so few are paying.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,213 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    goz83 wrote: »
    I have a €5 bet on paddy power 5/1 for less than 30% to have PAID by the dead line. I think I will throw another €15 at that bet, so I will be €100 up. I predict that a good few will register and pay just beyond the deadline, or within an extended deadline, but the government will have to take the funds in another way....most likely income tax. It will spell the end of them and they will spend another decade, or two trying to recover after the next election.

    Don't be mad. The Govt are exaggerating the numbers who have paid so that they don't look too bad. A man who works for Louth Co. Council told me that nowhere near the numbers being given by R.T.E. are paying.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    5live wrote: »
    No, TDs and senators will have to pay it too. The wording on the bill is poor but it basically says that houses owned by the Mininter of the Environment are exempt but this relates to local authority housing stocks, NOT his personal residence

    The tax hogan pays on his personal residence will probably be paid out of the un-vouched expenses that we pay for him.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    WITH THREE DAYS to go before the deadline, almost three quarters of homes have not yet paid the household charge according to the latest figures.
    Figures show 426,599 households had paid the €100 charge by the close of business today, leaving around 1.2 million homes which have not paid.

    The figures from the Local Government Management Agency indicate that 31,367 payments were made over the past 24 hours – a slight decrease on the previous day when 31,754 payments were made.

    http://www.thejournal.ie/more-than-one-million-households-have-not-yet-paid-the-household-charge-399485-Mar2012/

    The numbers above supposedly (according to an earlier report) take into account 20,000+ that is supposed to be just those that have registered and/or a few sending the forms back in protest!

    Two interesting comments follow-up that news piece:
    Just to clarify. All 1.8 million homes must register, even if they are to receive a waiver. Whatever figure is given by the government is to be subtracted from 1.8 million, and not 1.6 million.
    Keep it up everyone though, we’re doing amazing. The poll tax boycott in the UK that got rid of Thatcher only had 18 percent boycotting, we have about 80 percent!!!

    And
    not quite, i heard 27% have paid or registered so far, if 60% dont pay it will be an amazing example of non-confrontational protest, fair play to everyone who hasn’t and wont pay, i would pay too if the government took a decent hit in their salaries


    English news piece - they are starting to notice more!
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2012/mar/27/household-charge-rebellion-irish-outlook
    Household charge rebellion clouds Irish outlook
    Failure by a majority of homeowners to pay by this weekend would mark the first act of collective defiance against austerity


    Even the giant leprechaun dressed in a heavy bottle-green coat and a woolly detachable head near a Dublin landmark seemed to be enjoying the sunshine. When he took off his head there wasn't a single sign of perspiration on his face. He appeared happy enough to take a breather and let his companion pass the collection hat around the knots of tourists using their iPhones and mobiles to take a snap beside the Molly Malone statue across the road from the walls of Trinity College.

    When he put the ginger-bearded head back on, the leprechaun was asked whether the unseasonably warm weather was making his suit uncomfortable. Faithful to the leprechaun omerta, he gave a non-verbal response: a shake of the head to indicate he wasn't sweltering, and a thumbs-up presumably to show he was happy to see the crowds come out in the sun.

    With throngs of shoppers darting in and out of stores on Grafton Street and drinkers slaking their thirsts outside the pubs on side streets all the way up to St Stephen's Green, you could be forgiven for wondering, momentarily at least: recession, what recession?

    The government faces a test this week over the €100 (99.29€) flat-rate household charge that every homeowner must pay by the weekend. Failure to pay could result in heavy fines, but only about 30% have done so thus far. The government fears that failure to collect the revenue needed to pay for local government services (the Republic abolished UK-style rates in 1977) would send out a damaging signal that the Irish won't pay their way.

    The household charge could be the greatest error of the Fine Gael-Labour coalition's first year in office, and has already been compared (with a more than touch of hyperbole) to Margaret Thatcher's poll tax. There will be no replication of the poll tax riots in Dublin, but if less than half the population signs up by the end of the week it will mark the first act of collective defiance against the austerity programme designed to drive down the national debt and restore international confidence in the economy.

    Fine Gael and Labour are starting to realise they have a fight on their hands as they face accusations that they are more interested in penalising mortgage-holders than the bankers and speculators whose greed laid waste to the property market. On Monday the Fine Gael minister of state for finance, Brian Hayes, said that if the government didn't get the revenue from the household charge it would have to find the money from elsewhere, possibly by raising personal taxation.

    "Pretending that there is some painless solution to this is utterly delusional," Hayes said. "If we don't want to see jobs being lost because of a taxation system that taxes the hell out of people for working, then the only way to resolve our problem is to look at new sources of taxation." He said the state still needed to borrow €10bn this year to pay for public jobs and services.

    Opposition parties, most notably Sinn Féin and the United Left Alliance, are capitalising on the opposition to the charge, although the two blocs have taken different approaches. Sinn Féin TDs who are homeowners will refuse on principle to pay the €100 tax, but the party has stopped short of calling on the public not to pay either, because it says it would not be in a position to pay everyone's fines and legal bills. The ULA, comprising the Socialist party and People Before Profit TDs, has urged all those liable for the tax to refuse payment before the weekend deadline.

    The controversy could pose a threat not only for Enda Kenny's administration but for the EU as a whole. If the issue is not resolved by the time Ireland goes to the polls to ratify the EU fiscal compact, voters might be tempted to use the referendum to protest against the tax. In their anger over a domestic issue, the electorate could throw the EU reform process back into chaos.

    Inside the student cafe of Independent College on Dawson Street, the cafe's owner, Jonathan, proffers the view that if the weather was like this more of the time, the Irish would not be so weighed down by all the economic doom and gloom.

    "Even if you were out of work or skint you could sit out somewhere in a park for instance and at least it would be free. It's much easier to do nothing in the sunshine, whereas you have to go somewhere which can cost if its raining," he joked beneath a Cuban national flag and a stencilled outline of the face of Che Guevara displayed in the café along with the Irish tricolour.

    According to Jonathan's theory, a long spell of sunshine would make Ireland a nation of lazy, sleepy, hedonistic Sancho Panzas rather than a rising mass of raging rebellious Ches. We would be too busy baking under the sun to care about direct action. But Irish radicals should not be too despondent, even if the masses seem more interested at present in sunscreen than socialism. Greece is sun-kissed for most of the year, and yet those long periods of blue skies have failed to stop the Greeks from revolting.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭squod


    dvpower wrote: »
    .

    One other thing - is it true that those cnuts in Dail Eireann are exempt from the charge?
    dvpower wrote: »
    Of course its not true. Don't be so silly.


    Your handing yourself a pay rise in one hand and levying yourself with a charge in the other. If the difference between the two means you gain then I thinks it's safe to say it's the same as an exemption.

    In other news.........

    The Irish Independent can reveal that the country's 34 county managers get a severance lump sum when they retire -- and it's worth an average €74,000.

    The revelation comes in the wake of an outcry over the same type of payment given to former secretary general Dermot McCarthy as part of a retirement package worth €713,000

    Taoiseach Enda Kenny has insisted the Cabinet has no choice but to give the extra payments that substantially boost the pension pots of the most senior public servants.

    The Cabinet has no choice huh? How about introducing special laws like the ones they're talking about to breach data protection rights?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,096 ✭✭✭✭the groutch


    I'm just hoping we stay the right side of a million non-payers, I think that's something of a battleline at the moment


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,734 ✭✭✭Newaglish


    why was 170m took from the councils to pay 'other debts' then,
    now we are asked to stump 160m to give to the councils

    rob peter to pay paul

    Have you got a link for that? It doesn't even matter - we still have a deficit. Have you seen our accounts?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    squod wrote: »
    Your handing yourself a pay rise in one hand and levying yourself with a charge in the other. If the difference between the two means you gain then I thinks it's safe to say it's the same as an exemption.
    I got a payrise last year. Is that the same as an exemption?

    And why are you quoting someone else's post against my name?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭secman


    NO

    Every time I hear Big Phil on the radio it just makes me more and more decided against paying this registration fee, because that's what it is. The real property tax is coming next year according to Big Phil, and it will be multibles of the registration fee. Big Phil constantly tells us that we are in dire need of money and if we lived in UK we would be paying a large property tax, but does not tell us that Income tax is lower, road tax is lower, hospital, doctors, prescriptions are free. No VRT on cars in UK. No USC. Councils actually collect your waste !

    If we are in dire need of money , why are we converting a Zombie Bank promissery note of €3,100,000,000 owed to German/French banks into State Bonds @ an interst rate of 6.8% per annum......... annual cost of €211 million on interest for 13 years thats nearly another €3 billion...........Absolute Fcking BONKERS.


    Secman


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,290 ✭✭✭mickydoomsux


    Newaglish wrote: »
    Have you got a link for that? It doesn't even matter - we still have a deficit. Have you seen our accounts?

    I've been asking for days for a reputable link from anyone providing proof that the money from the household charge is going to "foreign gamblers". Nothing even approaching proof has arrived.

    The one guy that claimed he had previously proven it ended up getting banned for using two accounts to agree with himself and thank his own posts. Before that he spent his time insulting me and a few other people in between parroting the SF and ULA slogans and never getting around to reposting his "proof".

    The entire no campaign is based on half truths, conspiracy theories and outright lies. Just be honest, you don't want to pay because you'd rather have the 100 bucks in your own arse-pocket.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭squod


    dvpower wrote: »

    And why are you quoting someone else's post against my name?

    oops
    dvpower wrote: »
    I got a payrise last year. Is that the same as an exemption?

    Which government department do you work for?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭squod



    The entire no campaign is based on half truths, conspiracy theories and outright lies. Just be honest, you don't want to pay because you'd rather have the 100 bucks in your own arse-pocket.

    The conspiracy theories are coming from the yes side. As are the outrageous lies.


  • Registered Users Posts: 178 ✭✭blowtorch


    http://www.ipav.ie/documents/Industry/IPAV_holds_meeting_with_Minister_Hogan.pdf

    Phil Hogan (Auctioneer) confides in his fellow Auctioneers last July that (as regards the household charge) 'It was likely, he said, that the monies raised would go to the Exchequer rather than to the local authorities'

    Enough is enough. Parking Levy, Motor Insurance Levy, Life Assurance Levy, Health Insurance Levy (€285 per adult and € 95 per child), ESB (PSO) Levy etc.etc. Get lost Phil 'bully-boy' Hogan


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    squod wrote: »
    Which government department do you work for?
    How would that be relevant?
    Are civil servants who got payrises last year exempted?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭squod


    dvpower wrote: »
    How would that be relevant?
    Are civil servants who got payrises last year exempted?

    If you're an interested party you could declare it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    dvpower wrote: »
    How would that be relevant?
    Are civil servants who got payrises last year exempted?

    No, but maybe they would feel an increased tax take might strengthen their job and higher pay security.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 350 ✭✭Cesium Clock


    I've been asking for days for a reputable link from anyone providing proof that the money from the household charge is going to "foreign gamblers". Nothing even approaching proof has arrived.

    The one guy that claimed he had previously proven it ended up getting banned for using two accounts to agree with himself and thank his own posts. Before that he spent his time insulting me and a few other people in between parroting the SF and ULA slogans and never getting around to reposting his "proof".

    The entire no campaign is based on half truths, conspiracy theories and outright lies. Just be honest, you don't want to pay because you'd rather have the 100 bucks in your own arse-pocket.

    wheres the proof it is not, when the full housetax is imposed and say its an average of €1000 per household paid by 1.6 million householders are you seriously saying none will go to the unsecured Bondholders, or will we have a park and a library each.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    squod wrote: »
    If you're an interested party you could declare it.
    If I was a civil servants, would that make me an interested party?


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